To the PILOTS at DU: Where is NTSB rept on Diebold plane crash

[BevHarris]

Looking for the NTSB report on the crash of Wes Vance, the Diebold CEO -- crashed near Jackson, 70 miles from Columbus OH.

[Jacobin]

1. check out

airdisaster.com

No NTSB report as yet, from a cursory review of of the site.

You can locate informed speculation on the chat board. There is a thread in their archives on this crash.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

2. did he 'know too much' ? hence another BFEE death ?

Was he against the Bush Regime's plans to control
electronic voting machines ?

Is that why he was in 'plane crash' ?

[karlschneider]

3. It takes months at least, sometimes years, Bev.

K

[KC]

4. Do you know the

date of the crash? Was it April 26th?

[DEMActivist]

5. April 26, 2003

Working from memory here...may have been the 24th. There's no actual date of the crash in this article written on May 2, 2003:

Vance went on to become a successful and popular chief operating officer at Diebold Inc. in Ohio. He died Saturday in a private plane crash southeast of Columbus. Vance, of the Canton area, was 45.

The State Highway Patrol said Vance was practicing takeoffs and landings during a recertification test when the six-seat Beechcraft A-36 crashed in woods near Jackson, about 70 miles from Columbus, according to The Canton Repository newspaper.

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the crash. Vance had been a pilot for more than 20 years.

http://www.abqjournal.com/obits/profiles/vance05-02-03.htm

[KC]

6. Bev --Check your PM

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[BevHarris]

7. Okay, I have the report now -- what do you make of this:

The report says that he was practicing an emergency landing, but the landing portion of it doesn't seem relevant, since he had just taken off and was on a steep climb when the plane suddenly nosedived.

Witnesses described it as a stall. They also said the engine remained strong throughout.

Thanks to the source that provided this. Yes, I am interested in further analysis if available.

NTSB Identification: IAD03FA050
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, April 26, 2003 in Jackson, OH
Aircraft: Beech A36, registration: N523BL
Injuries: 2 Fatal.

"This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed."

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20030512X00639&key=1

Bev

[ewagner]

8. Some consistancy there

the plane was described to be in a steep climb after takeoff....that's pretty consistant with the speculation of a stall occurring....engine isn't necessarily the problem with a stall, angle of attack is the problem.

[BevHarris]

9. He had just radio'd in that he was practicing an emergency landing

Is there a reason you do a particularly steep ascent for this maneuver?

I agree, the steep ascent (from my almost nonexistent knowledge) is associated with a stall, just didn't know if the stall influences the way the engine sounds.

[ewagner]

10. From my experience

The sound of the engine doesn't make difference much unless the engine went totally crappo. (Like a pilot who I used to fly with was killed with 5 others when the engine "sucked a valve" on climbout...that's the kind of difference I'm talking about )

I don't, however, know why he would make a steep ascent after practicing the landing. It could have been just pilot error but that is just speculation on my part.

[Eloriel]

11. Was the steep ascent before, during or after?

The way Bev wrote it, she's asking for during.

Eloriel

[ewagner]

12. Just reread the post

I don't know of any reason to begin a steep ascent during a practiced emergency landing with the possible exception of a "missed approach" but that usually requires only application of power and a shallow climb back to "pattern altitude".

I haven't flown since my hearing went to hell about 6 years ago but I don't think proceedures have changed that much....I'm still an "airport bumb" and hang around with a lot of pilots so I don't think I'm off by much.

[RedEagle]

13. Trim Control? Recertification?

"The State Highway Patrol said Vance was practicing takeoffs and landings during a recertification test when the six-seat Beechcraft A-36 crashed in woods"

(Does one recertify solo?)


What little I know from ex pilot hubby, if the pilot had the ability and place to do it, he would have dropped the nose and flew out of the stall. He could do that if he wasn't looking at flying into something.

Just got this:

Beechcraft A-36, straight tail, single engine plane, retractable geer, on a par with a Cessna 210. High performance.

Possibilities:

Plane has power trim controls. If a switch was in the wrong position it could throw the trim off and everything else, too, making it very hard to wrestle out of a stall.

If a pilot does not pay attention to the trim control, this can cause big trouble.

However, was told this plane has one of the nastiest stall horns around, so assume the guy was getting a warning.

Trim control could have done it.

[ewagner]

14. Maybe

I don't have a lot of experience with power trim controls so I can't say. I got to sit right-hand seat in a Twin Turbo once that had power trim and it had a tone on it to indicate when it was being activated so you would know if there was a "runaway trim".

Correct on another count...the stall warning horn is powerful enough to get your attention.

Prolly biennial flight review? Ask your hubby if he knows for certain, but if I remember correctly, the prop and throttle controls on Beechcrafts are opposite of the controls on Piper and Cessna. (Maybe it was just that way in the "leather helmut" days. LOL) If this guy didn't have a lot of time in that particular model, or, if he had been flying something else for a long time before that, he could have had his right hand on the wrong controls.

[RedEagle]

15. Bonanza stuff

Here are some sites I dug up. Let's see if these addresses work.

Don't know about the controls, but will ask tonight. Hubby flew Cessna's 150/172, but helped work on a lot of other planes, including a Corsair. (Fave of his)


Beechcraft Bonanza/Debonair Safety Highlights Beechcraft Bonanza/Debonair Safety Highlights

http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:YZO6-Aem2IMJ:www.usau.com/usau.nsf/doc/beech_bonanza.pdf/%24file/beech_bonanza.pdf+Setting+trim+control,+Beechcraft+A+36&hl=en&start=3&ie=UTF-8



Click here: SECTION II

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:nhVP91bsrxsJ:www.hillflyingclub.com/A24R.pdf+Setting+trim+control,+Beechcraft+A+36&hl=en&start=11&ie=UTF-8