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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:39 PM
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A view (of the coronation) from abroad
I watched this on the BBC with my wife and kids. I have to say we watched in incredulity. My wife said, "God, what a smug little git!" One of the kids said, "Team America, The World's Police!" and another one asked the question, "What if he decides that WE need freedom pushed on us?" I have to say that, from the other side of The Pond, it looked VERY scary. Even more repulsive were the supporters interviewed, their faces glowing from the ecstacy of being in the same square mile as this dangerous halfwit, who babbled on about The Chimp attacking Iraq to chase down the people who destroyed the twin towers. Oh, and of course to bring freedom and democracy to those poor, unsaved heathen people.
It might have played well in Texas but to the rest of the world it offered the spectacle of a once-admirable country being led into darkness by an arrogant, ignorant moron. And cheering it all the way.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:41 PM
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1. Thanks for the report.
I hope those abroad understand how embarassed some of us are.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:42 PM
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3. Ditto... n/t
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:44 PM
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7. I second that ditto. Sorry. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:42 PM
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2. I'm in Texas, and trust me, it didn't play here with us sane Texans.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:10 PM
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14. No offence meant to sane Texans
we've just come to associate him with Texas
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:43 PM
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4. we are VERY VERY VERY sorry.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:30 PM
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17. Take heart....The Democrats in Congress say they are going to fight him!
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 04:31 PM by glarius
If they do and some of the more sane Republicans join them (possible, don't you think?)....he will not have his own way about attacking more countries he decides need "liberating.".....I sort of have a feeling that the tide might be about to turn, now that he has made his insane "we'll bring the world liberty and peace" plan has been laid out there....
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:44 PM
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5. It's an unreal day here too. Looks like scenes from the USSR.
Please forgive us (the 48% of sane Americans)! We're all wearing black, mourning for our lost country.
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Plausible Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:44 PM
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6. I hope you got to see the protesters..........
aka real Americans.
Cspan2 will show some of the protests again later at 8 pm eastern standard time.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:45 PM
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8. The PA commandments for praise creeped me out n/t
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forintegrity Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:45 PM
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9. Just remember those of us
who are in deep mourning and protest today!

We are SICK about this, too. And scared for ourselves and the rest of the world!

God help all of us!!!
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:58 PM
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10. A view of the Coronation stateside
I used to wonder what the rise of Hitler must have been like. Now I know.

These past four years are eerily reminiscent of the "Socialist Realism" pagentry of the USSR at its worst, or the public rituals of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

I know people who lived under these regimes, and they tell me -- and they are glad they CAN tell me what they are really feeling, because it has become dangerous to speak one's mind these days -- that what they are witnessing arising in America is a regime and authoritarian culture like those they fled, or were forced to endure.

Many of us are all too aware of what is unfolding.

The more absurd the coronation, the more despotic and dangerous the leader....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:01 PM
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11. In the name of sane America
My condolences and don't worry we share your fear, for we know, next stop... Tehran...

They are that crazy those bush boys.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:01 PM
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12. Here. Give the good people of the UK my poem.....

Swearing In The Beast

Christians gather down DC way,
To celebrate Crusader Day.
Prayers and crosses, bells and guns,
Rape and torture is so much fun.

Grand Old Preachers, flush with cash,
From value-voting redneck trash.
They come to sing, "God Kill The Poor."
Wall Steet witches scream with joy.

Hail to the Chief, the Beast, the Boy,
Annoint his horns in bloody oil.
The cold air fills with Hellish hexes,
Satan loves the land of Texas.

Swear in the monster
Swear in the Beast
Put him on the alter
Lay down at his feet

The clock strikes twelve and here he comes,
Blow the trumpets, beat the drums.
Behold the world's biggest thug,
Gawd he has an ugly mug.

Freedom, God and ownership,
The Beast is full of total shit.
But that's okay it's just his job,
He's talking to the Christian mob.

Zombies watch through stitched up eyes,
Holy tongues tell only lies.
Bibles held in bloody hands,
Damnation falls upon this land.

Swear in the monster
Swear in the Beast
Put him on the alter
Hail to the thief

Here come the limos, hail the crook,
The people strain to get a look.
But eyes tear up from all the gases,
Coming out of FREEPERS BIG FAT ASSES.

Protesters come to mourn this day,
Cops with guns keep them away.
Filled with rage and wearing black,
The beast goes by they turn their backs.

TV viewers don't be tardy,
Grab your popcorn, join the party.
At sunset when the sky turns henna,
We sacrifice the virgin Jenna.

Swear in the monster
Swear in the Beast
Put him on the alter
We won't lay at his feet

Written by me....Joanne98

To everybody at the parade.....

To the Freepers..
KISS MY DU ASS
To the protesters
JESUS LOVES YOU
To the Bush-Christians
JESUS HATES YOU
To the DUer's
YOU ROCK

HAPPY CRUSANDER DAY!!!!!!!!!



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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:08 PM
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13. I just watched the BBC on Dutch Cable
And I have to agree, what happened to America?

The whole affair, which I watched with some discomfort, seemed way too militaristic and was robed in gauche neo-Romanism. Repeat, repeat, repeat "freedom" and they will believe. People are Sheeple.

I feel sorry for progressive Americans, I feel sorry for the electric wire of "with us or against us" that is dividing your country... I feel sorry that the thugs running the Whitehouse smell like Nazis.

How many times does he have to say freedom to brainwash the bible belt?


Inaugural Address by President George W. Bush

Vice President Cheney, Mr. Chief Justice, President Carter, President Bush, President Clinton, reverend clergy, distinguished guests, fellow citizens:

On this day, prescribed by law and marked by ceremony, we celebrate the durable wisdom of our Constitution, and recall the deep commitments that unite our country. I am grateful for the honor of this hour, mindful of the consequential times in which we live, and determined to fulfill the oath that I have sworn and you have witnessed.

At this second gathering, our duties are defined not by the words I use, but by the history we have seen together. For a half century, America defended our own freedom by standing watch on distant borders. After the shipwreck of communism came years of relative quiet, years of repose, years of sabbatical - and then there came a day of fire.

We have seen our vulnerability - and we have seen its deepest source. For as long as whole regions of the world simmer in resentment and tyranny - prone to ideologies that feed hatred and excuse murder - violence will gather, and multiply in destructive power, and cross the most defended borders, and raise a mortal threat. There is only one force of history that can break the reign of hatred and resentment, and expose the pretensions of tyrants, and reward the hopes of the decent and tolerant, and that is the force of human freedom.

We are led, by events and common sense, to one conclusion: The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.

America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one. From the day of our Founding, we have proclaimed that every man and woman on this earth has rights, and dignity, and matchless value, because they bear the image of the Maker of Heaven and earth. Across the generations we have proclaimed the imperative of self-government, because no one is fit to be a master, and no one deserves to be a slave. Advancing these ideals is the mission that created our Nation. It is the honorable achievement of our fathers. Now it is the urgent requirement of our nation's security, and the calling of our time.

So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.

This is not primarily the task of arms, though we will defend ourselves and our friends by force of arms when necessary. Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen, and defended by citizens, and sustained by the rule of law and the protection of minorities. And when the soul of a nation finally speaks, the institutions that arise may reflect customs and traditions very different from our own. America will not impose our own style of government on the unwilling. Our goal instead is to help others find their own voice, attain their own freedom, and make their own way.

The great objective of ending tyranny is the concentrated work of generations. The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it. America's influence is not unlimited, but fortunately for the oppressed, America's influence is considerable, and we will use it confidently in freedom's cause.

My most solemn duty is to protect this nation and its people against further attacks and emerging threats. Some have unwisely chosen to test America's resolve, and have found it firm.

We will persistently clarify the choice before every ruler and every nation: The moral choice between oppression, which is always wrong, and freedom, which is eternally right. America will not pretend that jailed dissidents prefer their chains, or that women welcome humiliation and servitude, or that any human being aspires to live at the mercy of bullies.

We will encourage reform in other governments by making clear that success in our relations will require the decent treatment of their own people. America's belief in human dignity will guide our policies, yet rights must be more than the grudging concessions of dictators; they are secured by free dissent and the participation of the governed. In the long run, there is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty.

Some, I know, have questioned the global appeal of liberty - though this time in history, four decades defined by the swiftest advance of freedom ever seen, is an odd time for doubt. Americans, of all people, should never be surprised by the power of our ideals. Eventually, the call of freedom comes to every mind and every soul. We do not accept the existence of permanent tyranny because we do not accept the possibility of permanent slavery. Liberty will come to those who love it.

Today, America speaks anew to the peoples of the world:

All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know: the United States will not ignore your oppression, or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for your liberty, we will stand with you.

Democratic reformers facing repression, prison, or exile can know: America sees you for who you are: the future leaders of your free country.

The rulers of outlaw regimes can know that we still believe as Abraham Lincoln did: "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."

The leaders of governments with long habits of control need to know: To serve your people you must learn to trust them. Start on this journey of progress and justice, and America will walk at your side.

And all the allies of the United States can know: we honor your friendship, we rely on your counsel, and we depend on your help. Division among free nations is a primary goal of freedom's enemies. The concerted effort of free nations to promote democracy is a prelude to our enemies' defeat.

Today, I also speak anew to my fellow citizens:

From all of you, I have asked patience in the hard task of securing America, which you have granted in good measure. Our country has accepted obligations that are difficult to fulfill, and would be dishonorable to abandon. Yet because we have acted in the great liberating tradition of this nation, tens of millions have achieved their freedom. And as hope kindles hope, millions more will find it. By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well - a fire in the minds of men. It warms those who feel its power, it burns those who fight its progress, and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corners of our world.

A few Americans have accepted the hardest duties in this cause - in the quiet work of intelligence and diplomacy ... the idealistic work of helping raise up free governments ... the dangerous and necessary work of fighting our enemies. Some have shown their devotion to our country in deaths that honored their whole lives - and we will always honor their names and their sacrifice.

All Americans have witnessed this idealism, and some for the first time. I ask our youngest citizens to believe the evidence of your eyes. You have seen duty and allegiance in the determined faces of our soldiers. You have seen that life is fragile, and evil is real, and courage triumphs. Make the choice to serve in a cause larger than your wants, larger than yourself - and in your days you will add not just to the wealth of our country, but to its character.

America has need of idealism and courage, because we have essential work at home - the unfinished work of American freedom. In a world moving toward liberty, we are determined to show the meaning and promise of liberty.

In America's ideal of freedom, citizens find the dignity and security of economic independence, instead of laboring on the edge of subsistence. This is the broader definition of liberty that motivated the Homestead Act, the Social Security Act, and the G.I. Bill of Rights. And now we will extend this vision by reforming great institutions to serve the needs of our time. To give every American a stake in the promise and future of our country, we will bring the highest standards to our schools, and build an ownership society. We will widen the ownership of homes and businesses, retirement savings and health insurance - preparing our people for the challenges of life in a free society. By making every citizen an agent of his or her own destiny, we will give our fellow Americans greater freedom from want and fear, and make our society more prosperous and just and equal.

In America's ideal of freedom, the public interest depends on private character - on integrity, and tolerance toward others, and the rule of conscience in our own lives. Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self. That edifice of character is built in families, supported by communities with standards, and sustained in our national life by the truths of Sinai, the Sermon on the Mount, the words of the Koran, and the varied faiths of our people. Americans move forward in every generation by reaffirming all that is good and true that came before - ideals of justice and conduct that are the same yesterday, today, and forever.

In America's ideal of freedom, the exercise of rights is ennobled by service, and mercy, and a heart for the weak. Liberty for all does not mean independence from one another. Our nation relies on men and women who look after a neighbor and surround the lost with love. Americans, at our best, value the life we see in one another, and must always remember that even the unwanted have worth. And our country must abandon all the habits of racism, because we cannot carry the message of freedom and the baggage of bigotry at the same time.

From the perspective of a single day, including this day of dedication, the issues and questions before our country are many. From the viewpoint of centuries, the questions that come to us are narrowed and few. Did our generation advance the cause of freedom? And did our character bring credit to that cause?

These questions that judge us also unite us, because Americans of every party and background, Americans by choice and by birth, are bound to one another in the cause of freedom. We have known divisions, which must be healed to move forward in great purposes - and I will strive in good faith to heal them. Yet those divisions do not define America. We felt the unity and fellowship of our nation when freedom came under attack, and our response came like a single hand over a single heart. And we can feel that same unity and pride whenever America acts for good, and the victims of disaster are given hope, and the unjust encounter justice, and the captives are set free.

We go forward with complete confidence in the eventual triumph of freedom. Not because history runs on the wheels of inevitability; it is human choices that move events. Not because we consider ourselves a chosen nation; God moves and chooses as He wills. We have confidence because freedom is the permanent hope of mankind, the hunger in dark places, the longing of the soul. When our Founders declared a new order of the ages; when soldiers died in wave upon wave for a union based on liberty; when citizens marched in peaceful outrage under the banner "Freedom Now" - they were acting on an ancient hope that is meant to be fulfilled. History has an ebb and flow of justice, but history also has a visible direction, set by liberty and the Author of Liberty.

When the Declaration of Independence was first read in public and the Liberty Bell was sounded in celebration, a witness said, "It rang as if it meant something." In our time it means something still. America, in this young century, proclaims liberty throughout all the world, and to all the inhabitants thereof. Renewed in our strength - tested, but not weary - we are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom.

May God bless you, and may He watch over the United States of America.

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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:14 PM
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15. Tell your kids we are not cheering
and if Bush decides you need freedom, we will fight against it here.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:19 PM
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16. I was reminded of some awful film
that my kids were watching recently in which the "bad guy" running for President kept saying "God bless America - and no-one else!" That's just how it reads to the rest of the world. Bush is drawing the line between "us and them". Well, at this rate the "them" is going to be most of the rest of the world. Not a good situation for those of you who really love America.
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