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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:44 PM
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Dominionism, Reconstructionist Christians, Harold Ahmanson
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 07:23 PM by realFedUp
http://context.themoscowtimes.com/index.php?aid=131199

If you haven't heard the words Constitution Restoration Act of 2004,
Dominionists, Council for National Policy, tycoon Harold Ahmanson,
Reconstructionist Christians, you need to read the following
column and google Reconstructionist Christians to see what
their vile and dangerous agenda is. It's vital that everyone
on DU knows this stuff...that's why I didn't post it in
the Religious forum.

This is a column from last year but it's
very important you know this info and the players...

Pin Heads

If enacted, the Constitution Restoration Act will effectively transform the United States into a theocracy, where the arbitrary dictates of a "higher power" can override law.

By Chris Floyd
Published: March 12, 2004

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The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" is no joke; it was introduced last month by some of the Bush Regime's most powerful Congressional sycophants. If enacted, it will effectively transform the American republic into a theocracy, where the arbitrary dictates of a "higher power" -- as interpreted by a judge, policeman, bureaucrat or president -- can override the rule of law.

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According to Dominionist literature, "biblical rule" means execution -- preferably by stoning -- of homosexuals and other "revelers in licentiousness"; massive tax cuts for the rich (because "wealth is a mark of God's favor"); the elimination of government programs to alleviate poverty and sickness (because these depend on "confiscation of wealth"); and enslavement for debtors. No legal challenges to "God's order" will be allowed. And because this order is divinely ordained, the "elect" can use any means necessary to establish it, including deception, subversion, even violence. As Robertson himself adjures the faithful: "Zealous men force their way in."

The Dominionist movement was founded by the late R.J. Rushdoony, a busy beaver who also co-founded the Council for National Policy. The CNP is the politburo of the American conservative movement, filled with top-rank political and business leaders who set the national agenda for the vast echo chamber of right-wing foundations, publishers, media networks and universities that have schooled a whole generation in obscurantist bile -- just as the extremist Wahabbi religious schools funded by Saudi billionaires have poisoned the Islamic world with hatred and ignorance.

One of the chief moneybags behind the rise of Dominionism was tycoon Harold Ahmanson, Rushdoony's protege and fellow CNP member. In addition to establishing theocracy in America, Ahmanson has another abiding interest: computerized voting machines. As reported here last year, Ahmanson, a fervent Bush backer, was instrumental in establishing two of the Republican-controlled companies now rushing to install their highly hackable machines -- with untraceable, unrecountable electronic ballots -- across the country in time for the November election.

The Dominionists also have strong backing on the Supreme Court, Yurica notes. Justice Antonin Scalia, author of the unconstitutional ruling that gave Bush the presidency, declared in the theological journal First Things that the state derives its moral authority from God, not the "consent of the governed," as that old licentious reveler Thomas Jefferson held in the Declaration of Independence. No, government "is the 'minister of God' with powers to 'revenge,' to 'execute wrath,' including even wrath by the sword," Scalia wrote. He railed against the "tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government."

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:49 PM
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1. Harold Ahmanson
is also a big backer of home schooling
and has funded candidates running for
California school boards who believe
not in public schooling, but home schooling.
He's funded very conservative candidates
for California Assembly.

If you have more info about him, please
post it.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:48 PM
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11. What does HSing have to do with it?
Contrary to public opinion, the modern homeschooling movement predates the fundigelical homeschooling boom of the eighties, which was caused by a change in tax law that closed many small church schools. The majority of HSers aren't fundies and aren't HSing for religious reasons.

Ahmanson and other backers of christian theocracy are the enemy, but thier suppourt for homeschooling is hardly the greatest of thier evils.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:00 PM
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12. Homeschooling isn't evil on its own...
but when you fund people who are running
for public school boards...there is a red flag
there, wouldn't you say?

this guys wants the elimination of public
schooling. An extremist.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:05 PM
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14. That's true, but a lot of Reconstructionist home school for religion
In other words, the people choosing to home school in order to indoctrinate their children in Reconstructionist beliefs are a subset of all home schoolers.

I know some of them right here in North Carolina, and I also know secular home schoolers. My neighbor, a secular home schooler, wanted to join a local group of home schoolers. To her horror she discovered that she would be required to sign a "contract" in which she affirmed her belief that "the word of the Bible is infallible." She didn't join.

I know several people who belong to fundamentalist churches and home school their children in order to "teach scripture." Some of them don't even realize what kind of a movement they belong to.

This is an extremely scary movement.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:53 AM
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22. Like everything else the Dominionists touch...
They claim it for their own and corrupt it.

I have no doubt that they are pushing just as many Secular parents to home-school. What with their attempts to turn Public Schools into taxpayer-funded Parochial Schools with their getting elected to the School Board then pushing for "intelligent Design" and "Creation Science" and the like.

They do the same thing with "Mainstream Christianity". They get all the press, and all the face time, and people come to see their agenda as what Christianity is all about, UCC ads and press releases inviting Spongebob to church notwithstanding.

So it is with homeschooling. Think of the last time you heard a story about homeschoolers in the news. I'll bet they were Fundy whack-jobs, weren't they?
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:15 AM
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20. Ahmanson also donated LOTS of $$ to the Discovery Institute, the group who
(largely through their sub-group CRSC (Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture) - but they've recently dropped the "R" from their name) is behind the current push to get "Intelligent Design" into public school curricula. (I think it was Dawkins who described ID as (paraphrasing perhaps) "Creationism dressed up in a cheap tuxedo")

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:08 PM
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26. hmmmmm
I tell ya, there's a huge story here.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:52 PM
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2. Yeah
This is the whole point of the religious right movement. Although it did not just start with Rushdooney, the reconstructionists have been around since just after the civil war, although they have historically keep a low profile. However with recent successes of the religious right in recent years they are starting to come more to the surface.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:01 PM
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13. Welcome to DU also
:hi:
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:06 PM
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15. Thank you
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:13 PM
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37. kicking for weekend readers...n/t
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:54 AM
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24. Hi Freedom_from_Chains!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:56 PM
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3. and for even more info
The Despoiling of America
How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

and

http://www.yuricareport.com/contents.html


scary stuff, indeed.

dp
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:59 PM
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4. Thanks, yeah it's damn scary when a group wants to kill others
and they are heavily funded.

The tie in to voting machines should really
be investigated by mainstream papers etc.
If they are willing to kill, they are certainly
not above fixing every election.

Start with Chuck Hagel's election in Nebraska.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:59 PM
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5. Be afraid, be VERY afraid!!!
I used to think this group was so far on the fringe and had so little influence that middle-of-the-road-America would have nothing to do with their nonsense. But now, the middle of that proverbial road has shifted to far to the right, and this bunch of fanatics has so many connections and ties to power, they have become a very dangerous threat.

I still believe the vast majority of Americans, even conservative, religious-right Republicans, would consider this group too extreme. I just fear that they won't notice until its too late, after the theocracy ball has already started rolling.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:20 PM
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7. I think every Christian minister, pastor, priest has a duty to inform
his or her parishioners on exactly what this
agenda is and who is supporting it.

Certainly the best I can hope for is that
DUers send this article and others on to
their friends and family so at the least
we are informed.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:17 PM
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16. That is what I have often thought happened to the Germans
By the time they realized what the true agenda of the people they were supporting was it was too late, the juggernaut was rolling full steam ahead. And to a certain degree this is understandable because it is just too horrible to believe.

But I have been trying to talk to people for years about how extreme some of the religious right is and I am usually labeled a re-actionist. However as we move forward more and more of it comes true. But there agenda is a theocracy and it is absolutely vital to them that they succeed so as to prepare the world for the second coming of Jesus. To these people this is a life and death struggle.

But we may well be living in a time where to understand current events one must be willing to think the unthinkable.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 11:31 PM
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18. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Reality is usually somewhere between the two extremes; sometimes the optimist is more right, and at other times the pessimist is more right. But at times reality approaches and even surpasses the best or worst we can imagine. Nazi Germany was much worse than any nightmare that we could conjour up. I hope the present situation will not be as horrible as that, and it still has a long way to go. But if history has taught us anything, we should have learned to expect surprises, good and bad. Unless a lot of people wake up and soon, I fear it will be too late to undo the damage done. It may already be too late, but only time will tell.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 11:35 PM
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19. Yes only time will tell.
Like you I hope I am quite wrong, but unfortunatly my gut has been telling me for some time that I am not.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:41 PM
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47. kick
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:03 PM
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6. An Unholy Trinity

And why they run their charade under the pretense of it being about Christianity always strikes me as the greatest absurdity and corruption.

Why don't call their Big God by His older names- Jupiter, Wotan, Mithras, Brahma, or whatever?

Oh, that's right, it's actually not about what the Big God wants. It's about themselves.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:21 PM
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8. kick
coz I can
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:28 PM
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9. These "people"
also have control over the two biggest e "vote" machine manufacturers DIEbold and ES&S. That is the biggest smoking gun of vote fraud in this country and why it is totally ignored by the Democrats and most of the media is beyond me. These types are completely fucked up and over the top scary!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:30 PM
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10. yeah, the two brothers of Diebold and ES&S...who are they again?
I would bet that any media source that did
a story connecting Ahmanson, the Dominionists,
and voting machines would get a Pulitzer.

Connect the dots.
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dpibel Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 10:14 PM
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17. The Brothers Urosevich n/t

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:40 PM
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29. Information on The Brothers Urosevich here (and Chuck Hagel)

http://nightweed.com/VoterFraudATaleofTwoBrothers.html

You've heard of the song The Day the Music Died? Well, today is the Day Democracy Died. Actually, that day probably came about 4 years ago, the first time Bush stole the election. Or even earlier, as I will reveal....

Once upon a time there were two brothers: Bob and Todd Urosevich. In the 1980's, with the financial backing of the right-wing extremist Christian billionaire Howard Ahmanson (also a major player behind the whole anti-evolution movement), Bob and Todd founded a company called American Information Systems (AIS) that built voting machines. They were also certified to count votes.

It is interesting to note that back then there was no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry. Even more interesting is the fact that this is still true today. Not even the Federal Election Commission (FEC) has a complete list of all the companies that count votes in U.S. elections.
But let us get back to our story....

In 1992 a conservative Nebraskan fellow called Chuck Hagel became chairman of AIS as well as chairman of the McCarthy Group, a private investment bank. This all happened shortly after he stopped working for Bush Sr.'s administration as Head of the Private Sector Council.
In 1995 Hagel resigned from AIS and a year later ran for Senate, with the founder of the McCarthy Group as his campaign manager.

In 1996 Chuck Hagel became the first Republican to ever win a Nebraska senatorial campaign in 24 years, carrying virtually every demographic group, including African American precincts that had never voted Republican. The only company certified to count votes in Nebraska at the time was AIS.

continued...must read.



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:19 PM
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28. Only the Paranoid Survive
Ahmanson, counter of America's votes, has admitted "My purpose is total integration of biblical law into our lives." Now, and in light of mounting and massive evidence of anomalies favouring the Republican ticket, which is more incredible: that fundamentalists would allow unaudited virtual ballots to be hacked in order to further the establishment of God's law upon American lives, or that George Bush won 51% of the vote? (Coincidentally, the 51/48 split was the margin Dick Cheney forecast a week before the election.)

Eva Sion on the Christian reconstructionists and their faith-based electronic voting machines:

Theonomic Reconstructionism is a belief that the only true authority is God's, that allegiance to biblical laws trumps that of civic law and that the Kingdom of Heaven needs to be built on Earth before Jesus will come again. In addition to that, homosexuals should be put to death, women should be banned from civic office, apostates and heretics should be stoned to death and there is a great need for more Christian politicians.

Not content to philosophize about such things, the TR movement sprang into action. Funded by billionaires such as Howard Ahmanson and the Coors and Hunt families, Reconstructionists formed think tanks such as the Chalcedon Institute and the Rutherford Institute (the friendly guys that funded Paula Jones' lawsuit against Clinton) to give the Christian Right a philosophical base to draw from, and political action committees to finance their elections.

...

Ahmanson inherited his money from his father, owner of Home Savings & Loan (during the S&L scandal of the Reagan years, Home's investors, mostly small family investments, lost over $150 million dollars. No one went to jail). In addition to funding PACs and think tanks, Howard Jr. parlayed his fortune into the majority stock of a business called American Information Systems (AIS) started by two enterprising brothers, Todd and Bob Urosevich. AIS later merged with Business Records Corporation (BRC) and became Election Systems & Solutions (ES&S). ES&S is the number one provider of touch-screen voting machines. Their website claims that their products were used in collecting 56% of the national vote in the last presidential elections.

Todd Urosevich is now Vice President of ES&S. Strangely enough, brother Bob moved on to head the second largest computerized vote-counting business, Global Election Systems, recently purchased by ATM and security giant Diebold. (They now have both the Ohio and Georgia contracts.) In a round table swap of incestuous patronage the previous executives of Global moved on to head the third largest vote-counting company in the nation, Advanced Voting Systems. Combined, these three corporations will process nearly 80% of the next nationwide elections.

So wake up, America, to your perfect Straussian nightmare: abroad, the neoconservatives are pursuing their imperial energy strategy, while at home Christo-fascists dope the populace on crusader morality and levitical law. If you still can't see the lights going out, it's because your eyes have adjusted to the dark.

more
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/11/only-paranoid-survive.html
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:29 AM
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21. "christian" reconstructionists = vapor voting!
:kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:08 AM
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23. Ahmanson's Calvinist ideology
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 08:09 AM by seemslikeadream


Ahmanson's Calvinist ideology rapidly crystallized under Rushdoony's tutelage. As Mrs. Ahmanson told me, Rushdoony was like a father figure to her husband when he was young and wayward. "Howard got to know Rushdoony and Rushdoony was very good to him when he was a young man and my husband was very grateful and supported him to his death," she said, adding that they were with Rushdoony at his deathbed.


The Ahmansons today bristle at questions about their past alliance with Rushdoony: "It's like, 'Have you now or ever been?'" remarked Mrs. Ahmanson, comparing journalistic inquiries about her husband's links to Rushdoony to McCarthyite guilt-by-association tactics. Yet it is only by understanding this little-known cleric that one can grasp the philosphy behind Ahmanson's politics. "I discovered his works at a time when I had no clear vision for Christian philanthropy and no model that I liked," Ahmanson told me of Rushdoony. "Here was someone responding to questions that in the late '70s no one was even asking."


Rushdoony descended from six generations of Armenian priests, aristocracy in the world's oldest Christian country. His parents narrowly escaped the Armenian genocide, in which over 1.5 million Armenians were massacred by Turks attempting to "Ottomanize" the country. As a young boy growing up in New York, Rushdoony was haunted by tales of the slaughter that persisted despite impassioned pleas from the Armenian clergy for foreign intervention. As Rushdoony made his way through conservative seminaries during the 1940s and '50s, he was gripped by a bitter cynicism about the betrayal that became his driving force.


"His whole life's work was aimed at finding a philosophy that would stand against the kind of tyranny his parents had to flee," Ahmanson explained.


Rushdoony spelled out his philosophy in painstaking detail in his 1973 magnum opus, "Institutes of Biblical Law," which he self-consciously named after John Calvin's "Institutes of Christian Religion." In the 800-page tome, Rushdoony presents his vision for a new America in which the church subsumes the federal government and society is administered according to biblical law, or at least his interpretation of it. According to biblical law, he writes, segregation is a "basic principle," and slavery is permitted "because some people are by nature slaves and will always be so." Those who don't comply with Rushdoony's rules -- disobedient children, "pagans," adulterers, women who get abortions, repeat criminal offenders and, of course, homosexuals -- would be executed. Mrs. Ahmanson, who described Rushdoony as "quirky in some ways," qualified his extremism: "To impose the death penalty you need two witnesses. So the number of executions goes down pretty quickly."

http://www.theocracywatch.org/ahmanson.htm
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:46 AM
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25. www.theocracywatch.org
thanks for this...mainstream papers really
need to pick this stuff up...and not just
be religion writers since these guys are
making policies and laws for the rest of us.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:39 PM
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27. This is frightening
"To impose the death penalty you need two witnesses. So the number of executions goes down pretty quickly." Mrs. Ahmanson

Yeah, and if these people gain power, watch how quickly that goes down to "my gut told me X was guilty and needed to be executed."
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:25 PM
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34. it is said that paul weyrich is one of the most influential in DC
how did you get that image in your message board. i have tried on my emac and haven't succeeded. some have tried to explain but i can't figure it out. not very computer savvy. if you have the time.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:23 PM
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36. Hi poe, I'll try
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 11:25 PM by seemslikeadream
with arrow on picture right click
left click properties
properties box comes up
highlight the address - url (hold left down and drag mouse across)
right click copy
x out of properties
put arrow where you want the picture
right click
choose paste


Let me know if you got a question

:hi:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:41 PM
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30. A book on Christian Reconstruction and Harold Ahmanson


Eternal Hostility
by Frederick Clarkson
Common Courage Press in Monroe Maine
ISBN: 1-56751-088-4
Copyright 1997

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:22 PM
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31. kick
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:50 PM
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32. Here is what happend to the bill
It was referred back to subcommittee. Does it have to be resubmitted in 2005?


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR03799:@@@C

H.R.3799
Title: To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.
Sponsor: Rep Aderholt, Robert B. (introduced 2/11/2004) Cosponsors (37)
Related Bills: S.2082
Latest Major Action: 9/13/2004 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Subcommittee Hearings Held.COMMITTEE(S):

Committee/Subcommittee: Activity:
House Judiciary Referral, In Committee
Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property Referral, Hearings
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:06 PM
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35. I was wondering what happened to the bill
thanks...and anything anyone else can add would
be helpful.
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:18 PM
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33. rushdoony was a lunatic-belonged in the asylum
as does falwell,dobson,graham etc. megalomaniacs.

tell me how to do snips if you can-i have an emac and am looking for a simple explanation as i am not computer savvy. need step by step help. how to transfer images?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:36 PM
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38. 'THE CHRISTIAN DOMINIONISTAS JUST DON'T GET IT'

'THE CHRISTIAN DOMINIONISTAS JUST DON'T GET IT'
By Karl W. B. Schwarz
A Conservative Christian Republican
December 8, 2004
I have decided that our American lexicon needs a new word - Dominionistas, noun, plural, definition - groups whose religious beliefs obstruct critical thinking on matters of fairness, equity, Christ-like qualities, confusion between goodness and sin; cultists; persons of Neocon beliefs, fascists, persons of narrow mindedness.
The commentary today is yet another open letter to Christian Dominionistas who need to step away from the Kool-aid and have a long talk with God and Jesus Christ about what Christianity is, and more importantly - what Christianity is not. They might as well call themselves Zionist Christians, for some erroneously do and do not "get it" when myself or anyone else explains to them that Zionist Christians is in fact an oxymoron, or two words that have no business being used together. Sort of like "jumbo shrimp", or "military intelligence", or "Bush Compassionate Conservatism" being just three operative examples of what to look for when seeking an example of an oxymoron.
Most Christians do not "get it" when it is explained that there is a massive movement in Judaism, simply named Jews Against Zionism, fighting to rid their religion of Zionist. Many Christians just do not get it that the term Zionist can be pushed to such an extreme that it is a substitute word for fascist. It has happened in Judaism and it is happening in Christianity and neither are "religious based movements". They are based on evil, greed, power, domination; all things that are quite Un-Christ-like. They are "cults" in their sheerest definition<1> and are not God and Christ centered, they are people, power and greed centered. They call wrong right and right wrong. "This article provides more information that demonstrates that far from being the saviors of the Jewish People, the Zionists are the true self-hating Jews who have had nothing but contempt and outright hatred for the Jewish People and Judaism.<2> This article proves that anti-Semitism has been the oxygen and lifeblood of the Zionists throughout the ages to the present day.
"By contrast, we anti-Zionist Jews having been doing all we can to reduce hatred of Jews by proclaiming the true nature of the Jewish religion in contrast to the heresy and idolatry of Zionism.<3> We hope this will help Jews awaken from the brainwashing of the Zionists."
I know many Christians that need to start weaning themselves from the brainwashing of the Dominionistas and the Republican Neocon Fascists that have taken control of the RNC. Christianity is not about power, greed, entitlement, world conquest, Empire building, or looking the other way on the evil that is going on inside of our government ñ in our name - and wrapping that up in the flag and pretending that evil and wrong conduct is Christianity.

CON'T-
http://www.rbnlive.com/christlink.html
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:47 PM
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39. thanks for this one. n/t
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:02 PM
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43. Here is another by him & and audio interview
A Conservative Christian Republican asks: Are "Paid For" Christians Hypocrites in how they Vote?
by Karl W. B. Schwarz
(Friday 12 November 2004)
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"Would Jesus lie to the world to justify an attack on another nation, the killing of now over 100,000 Iraqis? No, certainly not, but that is what George W. Bush did and then lied to get the Christian vote."
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I am an ecumenical Christian that believes that one of the most important things that God requires of me is the use of discernment. In that I mean, I am required to pay attention, use critical thinking to see things as they are, not as someone tells me to believe they are. The Bible tells me to “recognize them by their fruits” and when those fruits are evil the person behind them is evil too.
I do not blindly accept what George W. Bush or Cheney say to me or anyone else for that matter. I do not blindly accept what Bill O’Reilly, or Sean Hannity or a plethora of other talking heads say to me via their media outlets. I listen, I weigh, I research deeper and decide on facts.
In Corinthians 2:14-16: ““The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind if the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.””
In Philippians 1: 9-11: “And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ – to the glory and praise of God.”
The Bible is full of warnings to Christians to use discernment in all matters, and that means using their own hearts, minds, eyes, and thinking for themselves, not blindly following what their minister or others say for all of them can still be wrong. In fact, one can do the right thing and still be wrong, so caution and prudence are wise things. One can even be “too bluntly truthful” and sin.
I see many Christians that blindly follow what their pastor tells them to do, even when that pastor might be dead wrong or the counsel seriously tainted maybe even to the point of being “advice of commission of sin”. I think and as a Christian believe that such blind obedience is dangerous and sinful.
Hitler professed his Christianity to justify his actions, so need I say more that not all that use the claim are worthy of using it? I did not support or vote for Bush Cheney because I clearly see them as fascists and arrogance of power wrapped up in a false Christianity. I see glee in death and destruction as they and their friends plunder this world for billions and trillions in present and future monies.
I am also a Conservative Republican that did not back Bush Cheney 2004 and still do not back them for good cause. I am not a fascist and I clearly see Bush Cheney as fascists that will tell you any lie to get you to buy off on their agenda. I see lies veiling unmitigated greed on a scale that is colossal and unprecedented in United States history.

Continued very detailed, nice-
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/11295

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A funny thing happened on the way to 'The Truth'
By Karl W. B. Schwarz
Online Journal Guest Writer
September 24, 2004—I am a conservative Republican who has come to the conclusion over the past 12 months that I would not vote for Bush Cheney 2004 under bribe, duress or at gunpoint. I have come to that conclusion for many reasons that are well documented and in some instances is information that is known only to myself and several executives that I work with.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/092404Schwarz/092404schwarz.html

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Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 1: The 9-11 Commission
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120404Schwarz/120404schwarz.html

Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 2: 9/11 Commission and Bridas http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/121004Schwarz/121004schwarz.html

Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 3: 9-11 served a multitude of purposes
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/121704Schwarz/121704schwarz.html

Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 4: More reasons to not investigate 9-11
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/011405Schwarz/011405schwarz.html

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Recent Audio Interview-(Realplayer)
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt/0410/20041012_Tue_Stadtmiller.ram

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:49 PM
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40. "The Rise of Dominionism"
"The Rise of Dominionism"
recorded October, 2004, 44 minutes
Download audio and video documenting the Rise of Dominionism (no charge, no copyright)
http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

Cornell University's Joan Bokaer explains Dominionism and Reconstructionism and their hijacking of American government.

TheocracyWatch is a project of the Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy (CRESP) at Cornell University. CRESP is a nonsectarian, action-based educational organization with its roots in religious dialogue, human rights advocacy, and ethical thought.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm


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Educational materials provided by TheocracyWatch will give you an opportunity to understand the role the Religious Right is playing in shaping our world. The CDs, DVDs, and audiocassette provide a distillation of the vast amount of material covered in the TheocracyWatch website.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:05 PM
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41. oh great....I'm gonna be stoned to death.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FREAKING ME OUT!!!!
IF THIS BILL PASSES I AM MOVING TO CANADA!
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:46 PM
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42. It's not really surprising though...
The religious right has been trying to turn this country into a theocracy for decades.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:01 PM
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44. well, forearmed is forewarned....
or something like that.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:34 PM
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45. Sunday kick
kos I can
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:21 PM
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46. Time Magazine - The 25 Most Influential Evangelists
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