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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:26 PM
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So the election was an overwhelming success
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 05:28 PM by Walt Starr
EXCELLENT!!!

That means it's MISSON ACCOMPLISHED!

Our boys can come home, and not another one in a "transfer tube".

No more casualties, no more suicide bombs, no more IEDs taking the limbs of brave American soldiers.

So I say, EXCELLENT!!!!

And it had damn well better work out that way, or we can come back to this and say, "the claim that the elections were an overwhelming success was as much a lie as the WMD story and the Mission Accomplished propaganda event!"
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:27 PM
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1. Great post!
If the election was such an overwhelming success and we really are letting Iraqis run their own country, then we can expect the troops to come home any day now!

(Wait, except for those 14 permanent bases....)
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:29 PM
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2. So the liberal pundits not taking payola from the Whitehouse can say...
"Great, the elections were a success, when do our soldiers start shipping back home? Don't try and tell me you're shipping more over, the IRaqi people are free and the mission has been accomplished!"
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:30 PM
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3. Be very wary
Didn't we hear this after the invasion?
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theresistance Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:30 PM
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4. Their definition of "success" is very strange
If this "election" is the end that justifies the means of an invasion, bloodbath and especially Fallujah, then Bush & Co are truly evil. Then there's the MSM that facilitates all the propaganda and lies...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:31 PM
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:32 PM
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6. Welcome to DU
:hi:

Hope you can stay around.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:34 PM
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:41 PM
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15. oooops. A major difference you point out there.
:think:
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theresistance Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:38 PM
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9. That is such a long bow to draw
We are talking about occupying a foreign country and resistance to that occupation. Very strange comparison. This "election" cannot whitewash the truth of what is going on in Iraq...
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:39 PM
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11. Um, douchebag?
THE ELECTION WAS A GLORIOUS SUCCESS!!!!! IRAQ IS FREE!!!!! WE CAN STOP KILLING THEM NOW AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!!!

Why are you not happy about this? Do you want continued killing and bloodshed and our troops who AREN'T PROPERLY EQUIPPED to still be in harm's way?

It's not OUR country, we don't OWN it. So if the election was such a success, let's get the hell out, right?

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:51 PM
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16. The Iraqi Foreign Minister has said the allies can leave within 18 mos.
Hurrah!

:eyes:

I'll believe it if and when it happens.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:36 PM
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8. hmmmm...maybe we should check out Juan Cole's site.
http://www.juancole.com/

Sunday, January 30, 2005
A Mixed Story

I'm just appalled by the cheerleading tone of US news coverage of the so-called elections in Iraq on Sunday. I said on television last week that this event is a "political earthquake" and "a historical first step" for Iraq. It is an event of the utmost importance, for Iraq, the Middle East, and the world. All the boosterism has a kernel of truth to it, of course. Iraqis hadn't been able to choose their leaders at all in recent decades, even by some strange process where they chose unknown leaders. But this process is not a model for anything, and would not willingly be imitated by anyone else in the region. The 1997 elections in Iran were much more democratic, as were the 2002 elections in Bahrain and Pakistan.

Moreover, as Swopa rightly reminds us all,
( http://www.needlenose.com/node/view/1043-to get a full historical perspecitve on the elections in Iraq )
the Bush administration opposed one-person, one-vote elections of this sort. First they were going to turn Iraq over to Chalabi within six months. Then Bremer was going to be MacArthur in Baghdad for years. Then on November 15, 2003, Bremer announced a plan to have council-based elections in May of 2004. The US and the UK had somehow massaged into being provincial and municipal governing councils, the members of which were pro-American. Bremer was going to restrict the electorate to this small, elite group.

Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani immediately gave a fatwa denouncing this plan and demanding free elections mandated by a UN Security Council resolution. Bush was reportedly "extremely offended" at these two demands and opposed Sistani. Bremer got his appointed Interim Governing Council to go along in fighting Sistani. Sistani then brought thousands of protesters into the streets in January of 2004, demanding free elections. Soon thereafter, Bush caved and gave the ayatollah everything he demanded. Except that he was apparently afraid that open, non-manipulated elections in Iraq might become a factor in the US presidential campaign, so he got the elections postponed to January 2005. This enormous delay allowed the country to fall into much worse chaos, and Sistani is still bitter that the Americans didn't hold the elections last May. The US objected that they couldn't use UN food ration cards for registration, as Sistani suggested. But in the end that is exactly what they did.

So if it had been up to Bush, Iraq would have been a soft dictatorship under Chalabi, or would have had stage-managed elections with an electorate consisting of a handful of pro-American notables. It was Sistani and the major Shiite parties that demanded free and open elections and a UNSC resolution. They did their job and got what they wanted. But the Americans have been unable to provide them the requisite security for truly aboveboard democratic elections.

With all the hoopla, it is easy to forget that this was an extremely troubling and flawed "election." Iraq is an armed camp. There were troops and security checkpoints everywhere. Vehicle traffic was banned. The measures were successful in cutting down on car bombings that could have done massive damage. But even these Draconian steps did not prevent widespread attacks, which is not actually good news. There is every reason to think that when the vehicle traffic starts up again, so will the guerrilla insurgency.

The Iraqis did not know the names of the candidates for whom they were supposedly voting. What kind of an election is anonymous! There were even some angry politicians late last week who found out they had been included on lists without their permission. (This is the part of the process that I called a "joke," and I stand by that.)

This thing was more like a referendum than an election. It was a referendum on which major party list associated with which major leader would lead parliament.

Many of the voters came out to cast their ballots in the belief that it was the only way to regain enough sovereignty to get American troops back out of their country. The new parliament is unlikely to make such a demand immediately, because its members will be afraid of being killed by the Baath military. One fears a certain amount of resentment among the electorate when this reticence becomes clear.

Iraq now faces many key issues that could tear the country apart, from the issues of Kirkuk and Mosul to that of religious law. James Zogby on Wolf Blitzer wisely warned the US public against another "Mission Accomplished" moment. Things may gradually get better, but this flawed "election" isn't a Mardi Gras for Americans and they'll regret it if that is the way they treat it.


posted by Juan @ 1/30/2005 04:02:05 PM

Election Update

At a little after noon EST, Jane Arraf on CNN is reporting about 30 percent turnout in Baqubah, a mixed Sunni-Shiite city to the northeast of Baghdad. It seems clear that the turnout was largely Shiite.

Although the violence and attacks have been extensive and took place all over the country, the security measures put in prevented massive loss of life. Suicide bombers clearly could not get close enough to crowds to take a big toll.

On the other hand, if the turnout is as light in the Sunni Arab areas as it now appears, the parliament/ constitutional assembly is going to be extremely lopsided. It would be sort of like having an election in California where the white Protestants all stayed home and the legislature was mostly Latinos, African-Americans and Asians.


posted by Juan @ 1/30/2005 12:25:23 PM

Dozens Killed in Election Day Guerrilla Campaign

Guerrillas launched mortar and suicide bomb attacks at polling stations throughout Iraq on Sunday as thousands of Iraqis headed to the polls. As many as 27 were dead by 1 pm Iraqi time, with several times that wounded.

Explosions rocked West, South and East Baghdad, as well as many cities throughout the Sunni heartland--Baqubah, Mosul, Balad, and in Salahuddin Province (7 attacks by noon). There was also an attack in the Turkmen north at Talafar, and in the Shiite deep south at Basra. In Basra, Coalition troops raided the al-Hamra Mosque. Four were killed and seven wounded in an attack in Sadr City. These kinds of statistics were common in the election-poll attacks.

Turnout seems extremely light in the Sunni Arab areas, where some polling stations did not even open. It was heavier in the Shiite south and in the Kurdish north.

posted by Juan @ 1/30/2005 07:32:50 AM

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theresistance Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:41 PM
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14. Good post by Juan Cole but nothing new
I've been saying this in books and articles over the past year. The only reason theres been a "transfer of power" to a puppet regime and elections in the first place has been due to the enormous opposition America has faced in Iraq. The continued direct US rule without at least a sham of a "sovereign government" and "elections" was impossible.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:39 PM
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10. don't you mean a catastrophic success?
in bushspeak
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:39 PM
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12. Freedom Is Now Truly On The March
and the troops can now come home.

I have been wrong all this time, Boosh is truly a nation-building genius in the mold of Marshall, and not a drooling idiot.

I humbly apologize for doubting Our Leaders intelligence, not to mention his sanity. He is truly a genius. Who but he could have envisioned that all we would have to do is hold elections, and the insurgency would fall, FreedomTM would reign, and the troops could come home.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:40 PM
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13. And we stayed in Viet Nam at the request of that govt for how long?
You know and I know no one is coming home anytime soon...

:mad:
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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:07 PM
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17. Actually, more troops are needed now. Since Iran, Syria and a few
other Middle Eastern countries are now to follow suit. And Americans are the chosen ones to lead them into "freedom".
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