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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:52 AM
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Ann Coulter revealed as idiot on Canadian TV
Last night, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's excellent investigative news program, "the Fifth Estate," broadcast a one-hour special on the hijacking of the American media by conservative bullies -- whose knowledge of foreign policy seems to run the gamut from A to B and tends toward scream-o-ramas in which dissenters are accused of being unpatriotic.


Of course, it included Coulter who gloated to correspondent Bob McKeown about how her side is "winning and they're loosing." But in the next segment during a rant about how Canada is disloyal for not sending troops to Iraq -- Coulter was finally exposed -- it just isn't clear from the exchange if she is genuinely confused or purposefully misrepresenting the truth. We'll report so you can decide.



Coulter: "Canada used to be one of our most loyal friends and vice-versa. I mean Canada sent troops to Vietnam - was Vietnam less containable and more of a threat than Saddam Hussein?"


McKeown interrupts: "Canada didn't send troops to Vietnam."


Coulter: "I don't think that's right."


McKeown: "Canada did not send troops to Vietnam."


Coulter (looking desperate): "Indochina?"


McKeown: "Uh no. Canada ...second World War of course. Korea. Yes. Vietnam No."


Coulter: "I think you're wrong."


McKeown: "No, took a pass on Vietnam."


Coulter: "I think you're wrong."


McKeown: "No, Australia was there, not Canada."


Coulter: "I think Canada sent troops."


McKeown: "No."


Coulter: "Well. I'll get back to you on that."



McKeown tags out in script:



"Coulter never got back to us -- but for the record, like Iraq, Canada sent no troops to Vietnam."


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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:55 AM
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1. The hag just can't admit she's wrong
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:58 AM
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2. Of course McKeown is a Canadian
so what the hell does he know? Dirty Canadian so and so. Oh wait! A reporter who actually does RESEARCH? What a novel concept. To be fair though, Coulter was exposed as an idiot long before this. He/she (whatever that creature is) just did this in another country other than the U.S. where reporters may actually question her. So now she can officially be called an international idiot.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:59 AM
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3. This is news???
We knew she was an idiot long ago, surely.

It's a good thing she has a job being a fascist on TV, because she's too ugly to do the one other job she would be qualified for.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:00 AM
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4. She's just repeating that lie enough so that it will stick like WMD, SS
and other stuff.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:03 AM
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5. This is what they do all the time...
...make things up by just pulling it straight out of their asses. Here in the US, no one even calls them on it.

When they appear outside the American corporate media bubble, they are shocked that someone actually expects what they say to be accurate, and they just deny that what they said was wrong and completely made up (they even insist YOU'RE the one whose wrong) for the rest of the interview/program and then just go on their merry lying way, afterwards, acknowledging nothing.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:36 AM
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21. The Age Old Story of the Totalitarian Bootlicker among Free People
Her experience was the same if and when Soviet "journalists" would have their lies exposed before Western Media.

Or Nazi Journalists, though I don't think they were ever as crazy as Ann Coulter to subject themselves to questioning by the Free World.
But Ann's brand of Bushevik Kinder and Gentler Nazi, so enamored of the Orwellian Construct which literally recreates reality, figured she could do so in the Free World.

Well, it ain't a Slaviush Totalitarian Nation like Imperial Amerika, Annies.

Free People have a bit more reliance on Facts and Reality than a Totalitarian Whore like Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS.

Poor Annie. She should remain withing the Totalitarian BushPutinist World if she doesn't want to be questioned in this fashion.

I must say, I find the idea of a Totalitarian being faced down by a Free Person as exhilirating as back when Americans WERE Free People.

No more, though. No damned more.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:07 AM
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6. Ouch!!!
How embarrasing!:bounce:
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:27 AM
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7. 40,000 Canadians volunteered for Vietnam but Canada did
not officially join the war.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:42 AM
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9. 1. John Walker Lindh volunteered to fight Jihadh, that doesn't mean...
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 08:46 AM by Crankie Avalon
...the US sent troops to do the same. Even if true, though, completely irrelevant. And, as for whether or not it EVEN IS true...

2. LINK??? Or are you taking lessons from Ann "the Man" Coulter and just making things up, too? I googled and couldn't find anything.

People who didn't want to be drafted for Vietnam fled to Canada. It was famous for it. So, when Coulter farts out something crazy like "Canada sent troops to fight in Vietnam," this alone shows what complete igroramuses she and the morons who idolize her are.
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:45 AM
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10. Canada took in draft dodgers at the same time 40,000
Canadians went on their own. Many of them were members of the Canadian forces who resigned to join up.

Keep searching.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:56 AM
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15. Wrong, YOU provide the link...
...YOU made the assertion, YOU provide the back up and prove you're not full of it. I'm guessing you won't be able to, because you ARE full of it. I'm surprised you've made it up to 35 posts, here.

Back up what you write. You're not posting on Free Republic, now.
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:58 AM
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16. See the link below. I have been registered here for a long time
I just don't post much and I wouldn't be caught dead on the Dumbass Republic.

Take a pill sport.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:16 AM
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20. I have no way of knowing how long you've been here...
...you or someone else seems to have disabled your profile. There's no profile icon by your username, anyway.

You added what seemed like an odd comment to make, "sport."
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:42 AM
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23. Sorry if I offended you you just seemed bound and
determined to suggest that I was a Freeper simply because I was pointing out a fact.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 10:05 AM
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26. You seemed like you were defending her...
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 10:11 AM by Crankie Avalon
...the OP pointed out Coulter was wrong for saying Canada sent soldiers to Vietnam and your reply was a post about 40,000 Canadiens volunteering for Vietnam with no other comment from you. That made it seem like maybe you thought that should mitigate and undercut the OP's point about Coulter being caught out in a fallacy. To me, anyway. That, and seeing your low post count and disabled profile made me suddenly suspicious of you. Plus, I already told you I googled and couldn't find a link, and you refused to give one at first and even told me to "keep searching" like if the burden of proof was on me and not you--that wasn't really a commonplace piece of info you were referencing.

I come here to relax and rarely argue. Once in a blue moon I let someone I think is a freeper have it, but that's about it. If you aren't one, I'm sorry for thinking you were.

Take care.
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:48 AM
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11. Here is a link for you. This one claims 30,000 went but other
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:52 AM
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13. Individual Canadians enlisted in US military
That is not the same as Canada sending troops.
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:53 AM
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14. I didn't say they did. I said Canada did not officially join
which still makes Coulter's statement wrong, just like almost everything else she has to say.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:42 AM
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24. Fair enough
No doubt Coulter would nuance this to be since they were Canadians born in the Mother land of Canada, ergo Canada sent troops.

She's a self-described polemecist. With that, she gives herself permission to lie, misdirect, and spew vitriol then claim victim when her paycheck gets stopped (as in when her column was cancelled by a newspaper).
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:12 AM
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18. Great...
...but this still goes back to main point:

How is this relevant in trying to prove Coulter was any less wrong when she claimed Canada sent troops? Canada sent no one.

She made something up to try and support some idea she liked, shamelessly pretended it was the other person who was wrong when she was corrected, and didn't have the grace to "get back" to anyone, afterwards. Period.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 10:48 AM
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29. Let me get this straight
When I was in the US Navy in the middle of the last century there were in fact a number of Canadian Nationals joining the US Navy.

Now are you saying Canadians volunteered themselves into the US Military (Or other, such as British military) in order to join into the very exciting adventure called Vietnam just for jollies? Or did they just one day show up in Vietnam as free-lancers?

180
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:42 PM
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30. Most of them joined the US forces. Do a Google search
on "Canadian Veitnam Vets" if you are interested in the story.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:41 AM
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8. Will this diminish her career in any way?
I doubt it.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:48 AM
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12. It means that our vile right wing ends at our northern border
and I find that comforting.

What if these people could buy the media in canada too?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:59 AM
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17. No, it happened in Canada
So, she probably gets some Conservative Free Pass award and the journalist in Canada will get reprimanded when Rupert Murdoch calls them up and yells at them for being too harsh on a woman. (Remember, the Irish reporter who was a little tough on Bush and made him look like a fool? She got reamed, didn't she?)
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:12 AM
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19. Since strong arguments have been made that America betrayed herself
in Vietnam, a strong argument could be made Canada has now twice refused to betray herself.
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Feathered Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:41 AM
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22. Not just Coulter
We have that princess that goes by the name of Rachel Marsden, another proud member of Fascist Females Inc. But she's a complete nutjob - oh, wait... so is Ann.
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:52 AM
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25. Ann Coulter is an idiot ! !
she is just another dumb mouthpiece that speaks out of her ass with no brain. The only thing she is trying to do is take advantage of that there are people out there that will pay you just because of their ignorance to reality and the sad fact that they do not see the evil in what this admin is doing by preemptive invasion of any country. Persons that have a brain would just stick her back in the shadows where she belongs!!!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 10:33 AM
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27. how many canadians really fought in vietnam
Further up in this thread, statements are made suggesting that between 30,000 and 40,000 Canadians enlisted in the US Armed Services to serve in Vietnam War. But I wouldn't jump to accept those numbers. There is strong evidence that the actual number of Canadians that fought in Vietnam is much smaller. Here is one analysis that is quite detailed, and suggests that number was probably under 5000. http://www.vwam.com/vets/canada.html

Even a retired US Military Officer, trying to argue that the number of draft evaders going to Canada was smaller than generally believed, uses 10,000 as the number of Canadians that actually served "in country" (and for what its worth, his estimates about the number of draft evaders going to Canada is subject to considerable dispute). http://www.mystae.com/reflections/vietnam/memspeech.html

The bottom line: The government of Canada did not send troops to Vietnam. In fact, it tried to avoid giving the US "direct" support, although it did provide material and supplies to the US that were used in the war effort (leading to charges of hypocrisy). And the number of Canadians that actually decided to enlist (or resident aliens living in the US who were drafted) was probably much smaller than the numbers that commonly are bandied about.

onenote
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Rapcw Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 10:39 AM
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28. heard this on Mike Malloy last night
She just can't admit she is wrong, ever.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:50 PM
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31. Skanky hag is getting senile (and uglier)
.
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