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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:41 PM
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Black Commentator Slams Condi
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Jonathan_Hoag Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:56 PM
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1. No matter how you feel about Condi herself ...
Edited on Sun Feb-06-05 02:59 PM by Jonathan_Hoag
This article is a racist piece of cow manure. Also it seems to be a bit dated.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:59 PM
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3. Yeah damn them Black writers for a Black magazine, being racist
:eyes:
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:02 PM
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5. BlackCommentator is owned and written by African-Americans, hence the name
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:52 PM
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:19 PM
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9. So, what is your Unpleasant Profession, Mr. Hoag?
(Liberals read Heinlein, too.)
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Jonathan_Hoag Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:20 AM
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12. Art Critic! (well not really)
Well I consider myself a liberal too, only in the classical sense.

As one of my ex-professors would say "John Locke liberal, not Ted Kennedy liberal" ...

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thedailyshow Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:56 AM
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16. you seem wholly uneducated
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 12:57 AM by thedailyshow
and that you seem to have a very poor grasp of reading skills, considering that you called the black writers of the Black Commentator racist.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:25 PM
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10. Since when is Black people telling the truth racist?
Edited on Sun Feb-06-05 04:27 PM by Tinoire
You think that's racist? That's exactly what Bush was banking on when he brought in his house slaves. They get no slack within my circles- Lord, I can't even repeat the terms Condi's called because some of them would be too painful for the sensitive ears of any of her right-wing apologists reading this site. What did the neo-cons think? That they would install 2 lackeys in the White House and that Black Progressives would shut up about it? That we don't know that old trick from way back? One of the milder terms commonly used for her is "Aunt Jemima". If Condi Rice can't take the heat, she should consider getting out of the kitchen!

Thank you for your concern but the cries of racism echoed by people like Novak are really much right-wing ado about nothing. If you are so concerned about the racism in this Black article, you might want to check out the follow-comments to it by Black people (I posted one at the very end for you); someone as vile as Rice has no more right to get off scot free by hiding behind "racism" anymore than someone like Daniel Pipes by hiding behind "anti-Semitism".

Cotton-picking field hands used to have a name for people like her and just because Condi made it all the way to the White House, the name isn't going away.

What part in particular did you so strongly disagree with that you called it a racist piece of cow manure?

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Although the 9/11 Commission will not lay a glove on her, Condoleezza Rice is finished as a Black political asset of the White Man’s (War) Party. Colin Powell, a much smarter and cagier opportunist, will likely escape this administration still clutching his devalued aura, having hoarded some small measure of political capital for himself. This is not true for Condoleezza Rice. Her complete and abject identification with her master leaves Rice with nothing of her own to claim.

“Don’t write her political epitaph yet,” says commentator Earl Ofari Hutchinson. If Hutchinson means that Rice will always have a job with the Bush family (she served the father, too) or with Chevron-Texaco Oil (where she worked between Bushes), then we agree. Rice’s selfless renderings to the white and wealthy have earned her a lifetime of…more of the same. Should she crack under the weight of her own and her masters’ lies – as sometimes seems imminent – there is a commodious attic in one of the Bush domiciles where “Condi” can be safely stored.

However, gone are the heady days when rich rightwing society floated cocktail dreams of Condoleezza for the Senate or Vice President in 2004, and even Condi for President in ’08. "Hollywood couldn't come up with a candidate as good as she is," said California GOP Chairman Shawn Steele, back in May 2001. "She's emerging as the most popular and most admired woman in America right now." Rice has since rumpled in the heat, no longer Best In Show, so to speak.

Outlived usefulness

In the false glow of their delusions, Republicans truly believed that Condoleezza Rice was the ultimate political asset – a Black woman who could by her presence wash them clean of racist stench, and then perform the same ablution the next day, and the next. Rice made it easy for the super-privileged to love themselves. Unlike coy Colin Powell, Rice did not bargain or seek her own space, but settled into the very fabric of Bushness. In so doing, however, Rice lost all power of personal agency. Having surrendered everything to the Bushes, her Blackness gradually lost its value as a cloak for her patrons’ racism. The affirmative action opinions of a loyal Black servant carry little weight, as Rice discovered in January of last year when Colin Powell’s pronouncements on the subject totally eclipsed her own. Her benefactors noticed that, too. That’s when the talk of high office, stopped.



Rice’s rich white admirers hugged and squeezed her too tightly – until there was nothing left but them all over her. It is common in African American circles to speak of “lost” Black souls, but in Rice’s case it is almost literally true that she doesn’t know where she stands and to whom she is speaking

“(K)nowing what we know about the difficulties of our own history, knowing what we know about how hard it is to build democracy, we need to be humble in singing freedom's praises,” Rice told the convention of the National Association of Black Journalists, last August. “We” need to be humble about singing freedom’s praises? We Black people, who still tingle to Dr. Martin Luther King’s joyous, boundlessly exuberant “Free at last…thank God Almighty, we’re free at last!” are supposed to be humble about freedoms so dearly won? Rice’s speech was an appropriately cautionary message to privileged white Americans, that they should not so boastfully lecture other nations on America’s democratic credentials. But for a Black gathering, Rice’s words were more than strange – they were evidence of profound personal disorientation. A Black woman who doesn’t know how to talk to Black people is of limited political use to an administration that has few African American allies.



Rice has mused aloud that segregation would have faded away in time without the intervention of the Civil Rights Movement. This is no doubt what rich racists say over drinks in Texas – and what George Bush might have said to Rice back at the ranch in the days when they were both young and he still drank – but it is not what the “most powerful” Black woman in the world says in public if she has a brain in her head.

But Rice is brilliant, we were told. Millions of Black people fervently wished that were true, that Bush’s tenure would at least provide an icon or role model or two, as a consolation prize. Then the esteemed Dr. Rice revealed that she is as stupid as anyone in the White House – with the possible exception of George. "I don't think anybody could have predicted ... that they would try to use an airplane as a missile," said the National Security Advisor in the spring of 2002, when Congress finally began delving into how 9/11 could have happened.



Two years later, even Fox news viewers know that al-Qaida’s martyrdom-seekers talked and plotted about little else than using airplanes as weapons against the United States in the years and months before 9/11 – facts known at the time even to serious newspaper readers as well as the world’s intelligence services. Rice marinates in the putrid stew, and even the helping hands of the 9/11 Commissioners – who have repeatedly said they are not seeking to assign blame to anyone – cannot save the last threads of her reputation as an intellect. Politically, Rice is burnt.

The bitter end

We know that Rice was, by virtue of her position, the person most culpable for dismissing the threat from al-Qaida:
    I asked, on January 24 in writing to Condi, urgently for a meeting on cabinet level – the principal's committee – to review the plan and I was told I can't have that. It had to go to the deputies. They had a principals meeting on September 4. Contrast that with the principal's meeting on Iraq, on February 1. So what was urgent for them was Iraq. Al-Qaida was not important to them. – Former anti-terror czar Richard Clark, The Guardian.


And, thanks to former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill and others, we know that Rice and the rest of the oil-slicks at the White House chose to spend their pre-9/11 quality time studying petro-maps of Iraq.



When Rice faces the 9/11 Commission, as early as next week, she will hold the administration in her not too capable hands. Unlike George Bush and Vice President Cheney, who will have each other for company, Rice will speak alone and under oath. In ways that she never expected, “Dr. Rice’s appearance before the commission will set the stage for the most dramatic testimony since the Senate confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,” said the March 30 issue of NorthStar Network. There is a big difference, however. The Senate enabled the gruesome Justice Thomas to plague Black people for the rest of his lifetime. Condoleezza Rice’s 9/11 testimony will seal her political fate. Whether she sticks around for the remainder of the Bush term(s) or not, there will never again be websites and bumper stickers promoting “Condi” for high office. After her testimony is done, she will have outlived her public usefulness to her adopted household. Rice’s “political epitaph” is all but written.

History will judge Rice infinitely more harshly than the 9/11 Commission, which is concerned only with harms done to Americans. Rice, Colin Powell and a cellblock full of Bush Pirates deserve to be tried for the highest crimes yet delineated by mankind: crimes against peace (i.e., waging a "war of aggression"), war crimes and crimes against humanity. So, let’s hear no more about Condoleezza Rice being unfairly made a scapegoat.

The last thing a pirate should wish for is justice.

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I am so disgusted with Condi and Colon, oops – Colin, I don't know what to do. Both think they have themselves and their immediate families – parents who worked hard and sucked up – to thank for where they are and who they are. Well guess what C and C – none of us are who we are on our own strength alone. There are countless unknown ancestors, not just well known people like Dr. King, but thousands of people whose names will never be known. People who were lynched, shot, throats slit, fire bombed, etc., etc., etc., just for the RIGHT for both of you to get the national positions you now hold. Your actions disgrace their sacrifices and disgrace the Black race. You both will find out when it’s too late, the one thing the white man hates worse than a "field nigger" is a "house nigger," 'cause the "house nigger" will sell his/her soul to the highest bidder!
Rev. Jeanette Pollard www.blackcommentator.com/86/86_email.html
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 02:29 AM
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17. yeah, like it was about the time of the 9-11 Commission, so big f-ing deal
and they have the right to call her out on her "sell-out" to the white oil barons...she is useless to Black America and everyone else in America but the rich ...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:57 PM
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2. Ms Rice is routinely slammed by Black Commentator
Condoleezza Rice: the Devil's Handmaiden

http://www.blackcommentator.com/26/26_commentary.html

The Black Commentator - Condoleeza & Geraldo, a Fine Pair

http://www.blackcommentator.com/c_and_g.html

Condoleezza's Crimes

http://www.blackcommentator.com/84/84_cover_condi.html

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:59 PM
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4. Better LA Weekly Article Expounds on Similar Themes
Edited on Sun Feb-06-05 03:00 PM by Hissyspit
http://www.alternet.org/story/21162/

Don't know Erin Aubry Kaplin's racial origin, but don't really care either. When you're on target, you're on target.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:21 PM
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6. My take on Condi is that she's a know-nothing...
...who is kept out of the loop and asked to lie when the neo-cons need a good liar.

That may be why Rice and Bush get along so well.
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:01 PM
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8. "Evil comes in all colors"
and thats a true statement.It seem to be alright for a white paper to say Bush is an evil person,and rightly so but its not alright for a black publication to say Condi is an evil person.?
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Jonathan_Hoag Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:02 AM
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11. Of course
Of course a black publication can call Condi an "evil" person, at least in a commentary. However this article uses a lot of talk of "white masters" etc. which I would classify as racist. There are other ways to ctiticize Rice.

Also there is a sense that blacks have no right to be conservative or are otherwise "Oreos" or "race-traitors". Which is bullshit. Rice has as much right to be a rabid conservative as white guys do.

Oh, and by the way I am no fan of Rice (although I do not get demonization of her) and am very much liberal oncertain issues.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:21 AM
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13. I suspect you would demonize someone with Rice's record ...
in a Democratic administration.

- National Security Advisor on 9-11. Great work there.
- Ignored CIA warning "Bin Laden Determined To Strike Inside US."
- Did nothing to advise President of terrorist threat after assuming office and prior to 9-11.
- Supported Bush decision to make Star Wars the #1 defense initiative despite severe warnings from previous administration that terrorism was #1 threat.

Yep, no reason to demonize Condi. Just a sterling record so far.

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:35 AM
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15. Call it what it is.
Condi (and Clarence, and Armstrong) are sell-outs. They are sell-outs to their entire species, so that would include black people too.

--IMM
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:33 AM
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14. Like I always say in my posts on here...
Condi, hasn't had an original thought ever, Rice
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