Anybody familiar with "time traveller" John Titor?

[Sephirstein]

It's creepy as Hell...And his future is not overly unbelievable.

http://www.johntitor.com/

[MrBenchley]

1. Wow...

I'll bet he's spawning believers at a rate of one a minute!

[Maple]

2. I'll bet he had fun

doing that. ;-)

[Character Assassin]

3. There's one born every minute.....

And by that I mean a sucker.

[NekoChris]

4. Put on your tin foil hat

This stuff pisses me off. Seriously.

Yes, it's out of nowhere.

Yes, it borders on the STRANGE AND UNBELIEAVABLE.

I'm not saying people should GO APE SHIT and suddenly start moving to the mountains.

But when I read stuff like this, written years ago, and then they say 'Something will happen...'

AND IT DOES

Why does everyone wave their hand and dismiss it as poppycock?

THAT'S RIGHT I SAID POPPYCOCK. DAGNABIT.

I'm reading this page right now and it's TERRIFYING ME.

The one line that 'Civil War will occur as a result of the elections in 2004' is sending chills through my spine because I can SEE IT HAPPENING. When I look around at all the articles you people post day to day, and I read what this guy is saying...

Read the page. Read all of it. THEN, post how you feel about it.

[Maple]

6. He also says at one point

that people choose when they die.

At another point he says there isn't much in the way of disease prevention, so if you get one you die. No choice.

At one point he is telling us OUR future...at another point he says he is on a parallel world, and doesn't know what will happen in our timeline.

And he arrived in a car???

Back to the Future rerun on TV before he wrote that one I guess. :D

[NekoChris]

7. DO NOT KNOCK

the concept of placing a time travel device in a car!

It was brilliant and to this day I want to buy a DeLorean just so I can step out of it on the street, grab someone, and go 'TELL ME THE YEAR! OH MY GOD IT'S THE PAST!'.

They go for about $10k on Ebay, I just need to get the loan. :D

[Maple]

9. LOL

Well I'd love a DeLorean because I always liked the look of them...but those gullwing doors would be dicey in a parking lot.

Or with snow on. :D

[Enraged_Ape]

27. The Back to the Future car is one of the coolest machines ever filmed

I too wish I had one of these cars. I would do exactly what you described.

[librechik]

34. John says he used a 67 corvette

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:V1iIu_vIyT4C:members.aol.com/corvetteli/b1v67c6


that would have been my first choice too!
:9

[Occulus]

22. As for the first

question, I think he was speaking of different issues; he claims they can clone individual organs, so heart or kidney failure would only kill if the person wanted to die or it happened too fast. On the other hand, he also says that there's a new disease (I think he called it CJD), and because of the biological agents used in the WW starting in his 2015, disease is a major problem for them in 2036.

He explains the divergence between his past and what he says probably will be our future by saying that there's about a 2% divergence between the worldlines. We might still be able to prevent what's coming, but frmo his point of view, that would be a bad thing because (according to him) in 2036 they view this time period, right now, as being extremely screwed up.

[Enraged_Ape]

29. I think he meant Creutzfeld-Jakob Disease (human variant mad cow)...

which, coincidentally, was all in vogue when he made these posts.

[Walt Starr]

30. Yes, but he did his homework

It can take 10 to 30 years for CJD to develop to a critical stage in humans. The guy is an excellent Sci-Fi author.

[Castilleja]

32. Also says there are no income taxes,

and later on says there are taxes. I don't know about this...

[Walt Starr]

33. I think you can have taxes without having income taxes

After all, this nation lived on taxes other than income taxes for more than a century.

:D

Most of the time s/he's very consistent. In my research into what s/he's said on IRC as opposed to what s/he's said on message boards I have discovered some smaller inconsistencies.

[Walt Starr]

28. When you put his stuff into the context of when he said it

it starts forming a picture of the mentality of the autohor. And yes, I mean author as in author of fiction.

For example, he begins posting right around the time of the disputed election. He suggests that the "Red" Counties win the civil war and that the "Blue" Counties are the enemy. "Red" Counties are also the ones that survive WWIII. The United States he describes in 2036 is like a survivlaist wet dream. The election of 2004 leads to the final Civil war with Waco like events occurring frequently up to and after the start of the civil war.

This was at a time when rightwingnuts were screaming Al Gore is trying to steal the election.

The agenda becomes obvious after that.

Art Bell picks up on it after the selection was decided and he rides out the infamy a while longer.

[Occulus]

35. I didn't take the county statement that way.

I took it as him saying that it was the deceived people- the ones who voted for * in the 2000 election- who end up making it unsafe anywhere for those opposed to what's going on in his worldline.

Remember, he was telling people to look at the county-by-county election results for 2000. In no way did he imply that either side ended up being the ones who "inherit the earth", to coin a phrase.

His statement was in response to the question as to where in the US it remains 'safe' during the civil unrest.

:)

And yes, it's great science fiction and it must have been very hard for him to write because he had other people involved in the writing process- the people asking him the question.

But what if it's not fiction at all?

[wroberts189]

5. This guy's story is very disturbing.

I read about him a while back in 2001. Art Bell covered him.

I told myself I was a total fool for even entertaining the idea he is for real. I would never swallow such a far fetched tale from the net.

Yet to this day I still think about what he has said and I have never been able to dismiss it as just the ramblings of some hoaxer.

At best all I can say is "inconclusive". He seems to have caught a lot of people's attention though.

What he says becomes more plausable every day.

[librechik]

8. This, posted in Feb 2001 (BEFORE PATRIOT Act)

From http://communities.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=000024 posted 02-21-2001 04:22 PM by John Titor
((Does the civil war start in such a way that with this foreknowledge those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations.))

Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe.

((Will you readily be able to identify the enemy.))

They will be the ones arresting and holding prople without due process

[Maple]

11. Yup he was a hoaxer

http://pub66.ezboard.com/fthepeanutsgangfrm62.showMessage?topicID=2.topic

And the Freepers have been predicting a civil war in the US for years....since Waco in fact....just like our 'time traveller' mentions.

[librechik]

12. neither of the URLs exist which Mary Drabble says expose John

but I'm willing to get "un- hoaxed" at any time if you can find the links. It certainly wouldn't surprise me to find many who want to debunk the "John Titor Story!" Debunking is apparently a much greater passion than the small passion I have for musing upon entertaining "real life" mysteries. Some people just can't tolerate whimsy in others for even a moment and must poor water on it at every opportunity.

(I have said this here many times: I am not a "true believer" but I am a lover of mysteries, anomalies and curiosities!)

[Maple]

13. Look up

John Titor debunked

Hoax.

PS...I got the urls.

Maybe the aliens ate yours.

Or they were lost in time. :D

[NekoChris]

14. Actually

I tried the two URLs also and got 404 errors.

I'm going to try google.

[librechik]

25. I googled

and actually read the links--although there was a lot of people wondering whether he was a hoax or not or asserting that they "believed" it was a hoax or ""were sure" it was a hoax or "of course" it was a hoax, I couldn't actually find the crucial "hoax exposed passage." The Wired link actually refers to a completely different case. To be fair, a lot of the links were dead. I could have missed something, but Searching is part of my job, so I think I covered the relevant stuff. I invite others to bring me the debunk so I can eat my words.

Along the way I went to a site called "Hoaxmaster" and searched for "John Titor" and got 0 files. Snopes had no matches. Urban Legends mentioned John only in reference to some other similar case.

Oh and I got this from a site for discussion of time travel tech stuff, expecting, at last to find here among geeks, physicists and engineers the debunking of John's story. Evidently the debunking department was missing that day, for those people discussing "Is John Titor a Hoax" were all convinced that John was exactly what he said he was, a military time traveler from 2036. One goes into great detail about John's physics in light of actual cutting-edge research.

Read it yourself.
http://invisionfree.com/forums/Time_Travel_Hotel/index.php?s=18b833a603380de10261a0de8e3d996f&showtopic=6

I never heard of this JT thing before today, and I must say I find it fascinating.

And truly creepy. Gotta go get some water purification tabs ASAP.
And stop eating fast food beef!

[Walt Starr]

31. If you read the IRC logs it's pretty obvious

http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/irc.html

It's a piece of fiction. He starts out being from 2035, later it's 2036. The inconsistencies in the story play out well if your read those logs first.

[Occulus]

36. nonetheless,

he mentions some very interesting topics, like the transfer from yes/no logic gates to yes/no/maybe logic gates, the obsolescence of the gigahertz as a useful tool for measuring computer speed, and the number of variables comupted per second becoming the most important measure of 'speed' in a CPU- all of which are consistent with current theory regarding quantum computing. Yes, that's a real concept.

Also factual in his remarks are comments regarding superstrings and what theoretical shenanigans physicists can do with those. Superstrings also help explain his concept of a 'superverse', consisting of multiple realities along the same timeline. The proof, for his society, comes in the form of time travel, which also opens up religion as well, since multiple realities means there are no bad people, only bad actions.

Kinda neat stuff to ponder on, if nothing else.

[Occulus]

23. Kinda makes ya go

hmmmmm, doesn't it?

I asked once on this board in a thread, quite some time ago, at what point anyone thought it would be a valid Constitutional step for Americans to actively oppose the federal government as it stands today. Succinctly, when is armed revolt a necessary respnose of the people to 'fix' their 'broken' government?

That question is purely theoretical. Every truly patriotic American ought to know where that line is.

[librechik]

10. and this, also from Feb 2001:

From http://communities.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=000024 posted 02-27-2001 10:15 AM by John Titor
((You say you were in the militia fighting the US Army. I would think that civilians would have a snowballs chance in hell of successfully fighting the military.))

You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.

[Langis]

15. I don't buy it

But this is chilling

Does the current relationship between Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the coming war?

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election. The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.

[Maple]

16. Like the man said

there's one born every minute

And two to take him. :D

[peabody71]

17. U.S. Civil War starts 2005. wow.

That is some strange stuff. Creepy.

[Don_G]

18. I Discovered Him Yesterday

And while I think it is probably a hoax, I believe his timeline for Civil War in this country isn't far off IF Stump gets reselected or steals the 2004 election.

[htuttle]

19. Wonder if he's related to the guy sending me spam about a DWG

ie., a Dimensional Warp Generator?

Honest, I get these weird spams all the time, asking for stuff that doesn't exist (yet?).

I googled on it, and found someone else who'd gotten a bunch of them. Here's a sample of one of theirs (the ones I get have nearly the same content):

http://www.lindqvist.com/xpo/index.php?newID=1200
Hello,

I'm a time traveler stuck here in 2003. Upon arriving here my dimensional warp generator stopped working. I trusted a company here by the name of LLC Lasers to repair my Generation 3 52 4350A watch unit, and they fled on me. I am going to need a new DWG unit, prefereably the rechargeable AMD wrist watch model with the GRC79 induction motor, four I80200 warp stabilizers, 512GB of SRAM and the menu driven GUI with front panel XID display.

I will take whatever model you have in stock, as long as its received certification for being safe on carbon based life forms.

(yada, yada, yada snipped)

After unit has been sent please email me at: [e-mail]
with payment instructions. Do not reply directly back to this email.

Thank You

Huh. Go figure.

But, as I love time paradox sci-fi, here's a question for John Titor (maybe he'll read it in the future): Instead of preventing Pearl Harbor (which would lead to Germany winning WWII, according to his estimation), why not go back to Hitler's childhood, and drown him in a lake?

I'm just saying...

[Dissenting_Prole]

20. He doesn't talk or write like a guy from 2036 should

IMHO

[Occulus]

21. Why... ya been there already?

:silly:

Interesting thing about causality, though.... what if drowning Hitler in a lake would have been the wrong thing to do? What if Hitler filled the vacuum that could have brought about someone much, much worse?

Since we can't (yet) know, the question is completely academic, but when you speak of issues of causality, well, the question is indeed valid.

[Dissenting_Prole]

38. NO, but 36 years ago

common lingo included words like groovy, far out, cool, hip, a blast, dig it, funky, happening, pigs, fuzz, right on, and threads.

I would think that after WWIII a lot of language will change drastically. It's hard to believe that life on this planet would change as drastically as he says it will, yet our speaking manner won't change very much.

It's a hoax.

Well, I'm 98% sure it is.

[tedoll78]

24. Wow.. this machine has x-ray parts in it!

And I'm studying to be a Radiologic Technologist!
And I've always loved the concept of time travel!

LOL...

It's nice to dream..

[Walt Starr]

26. This was perhaps, one of the finest examples of

well reasoned Science Fiction I've ever read.

This guy deserves a Nebula Award!

[Occulus]

37. I won't argue there.

And I think I can speak for everyone who reads what he has to say that I certainly do hope it's fiction.

But.... is it even remotely possible that he's telling the truth?

How would we know if there are time travelers? Causality would be a very big issue, but that doesn't mean we, here and now, would perceive a difference.