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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 05:21 PM
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HELP! My friends all think I'm crazy..."Soylent Green is Peeeeeeee-pull!"
Gang,

I started another thread regarding the truth about the Bush Cartel and their agenda,and got this typical response from one of the many disheartened. My solution is below his response; and in typical egomaniacal Captain Mike-ness, I thought I'd use it to start another thread.

A THREAD OF ENCOURAGEMENT TO ALL OF YOU!

(response)

""But here is the problem: I can't share this with anyone. Ok, there are some people who would listen, but 99.5% of the general public would probably just look at me like I was a total fucking loon if I trade to explain this stuff to them.

So what do I do? I feel like I am going to end up being one of those homeless guys on the street with a big fucking sign that says "The End is Near." Only it won't be religious or anything, just an "FYI" for sheeple as they pass by in their cars.""


(my answer)

You KNOW what to do.

Keep talking about this, spreading this around. It'll get the message out!

Start with your close friends. Talk to them. Take time to explain things and back them up with links and evidence. They'll tell their friends.

All you need to start with is ONE other person to tell this too. And then, it'll happen...

You'll be at a party, a cookout, bar, whatever. You will probably, like I do, after a drink or two, loosen your own boundaries about what you consider to be "impolite" conversation at a party, and you'll bring up this "conspiracy crap."

The time for politeness is OVER!

The stranger, or nodding acquaintance that you've brought this up with will be like, "no way," "stop," and do that hand-waving gesture in front of him, either with both hands or one hand, depending on whether it's holding a beer or a soggy paper plate with a hotdog on it. Either way, the gesture always reminds me of Pilate washing his hands.

Then, it'll happen...

That buddy of yours that you actually took the time to patiently explain this all to a few weeks back, that friend of yours who bothered to look over your shoulder as you rushed over to your computer as you utilized both your friend and mine, GOOGLE, and SHOWED the PROOF of what you were ranting about? Remember him?

Then it'll happen...

That buddy of yours, after hearing the heated exchange between you and this newfound-yet-unwilling-apostate, will suddenly appear at your side, look this non-believer in the eye and say,

"dude, check it out. It's true. I didn't wanna believe it at first. I thought my buddy'd gone off the deep end, but then I went home and looked it all up, and it's friggin' scary, but it' friggin' true."

Ta-dah!

It's such a simple thing, and it works! The dude might even still be like, "well...I dunno, it just sounds so crazy." But the bug will be firmly planted. He will at least start to LISTEN. Even if for only another minute or two, he'll be hooked. It's amazing how simple. All you needed was one other person to back you up.

If I were a duplicitous chap, it's sorta like teaming up with a "plant" at your sidewalk 3-card Monte scheme, who pretends to win in order to draw others over. It works! Use people's gulliblity "against" them by actually being FOR them with the TRUTH. The exception being, YOU are for REAL.

You have the TRUTH on your side!

A little over a year ago, I started, "The Captain's List," an email weblog to about eight people that I knew who at least were willing to humor me and read some of what I was ranting about. I'm an actor, and was doing a play in LA. I got a "rep" as being a "conspiracy guy" amongst the cast. In fact, I overheard one guy to another, who didn't know I was sitting there in the darkened wings of the theater, say, "can you believe Mike and all his conspiracy shit?" They both chuckled.

Well now, "The Captain's List" has expanded to over eighty members, and that very same guy who chuckled at me last summer is now emailing ME stuff, saying "Hey Captain, did you SEE this? Check this out!"

And one highlight of mine, which I've brayed about before, is getting a certain favorite activist-actress of ours here at DU to be on "The Captain's List," too. WE met while performing last February at the Aspen Comedy Festival; she was willing to listen, and I was more than willing to monopolize her time at this party because I believed so much in getting the truth out. Luckily she felt the same way!

I went from being "Conspiracy Mike" to my struggling actor pals, to being a guy who was personally faxing talking points and political factoids to said actress last month as she was co-hosting CROSSFIRE. At her request!

SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO!?

Don't despair! Now get out there and tell ONE other person about all this...

Then go to a cookout (or a comedy festival)!

"Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation... It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

RFK - Day of Affirmation Address, University of Capetown, South Africa, June 6, 1966


Captain Mike
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 05:25 PM
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1. Never underestimate the power of people talking to one another.
It is good to try to talk to people outside of those with whom you agree. Keep it up. Keep it brief. Keep it factual. Keep it respectful. Try to add a laugh.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 05:32 PM
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2. My train of thought runs in a similar but not quite the same direction
Which is that we need to get a primer together, even a deprogramming guide, for helping the deluded-by-Fox-News millions get the scales from their eyes. If we really try, we can talk in words of one syllable, too, and as you say we have the advantage of truth on our side. A big job, and I don't know if I personally am up to it. But I'm thinking about it. Anybody interested in signing on for such a project, feel free to PM or email.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 05:55 PM
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3. a primer
like some talking points memo?

PDF? WORD?

Captain Mike
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 06:32 PM
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4. Dunno, what would be most effective?
Imagine living with blinders on, believing only what you hear on cable news or talk radio. What would make you question the spoon-fed pablum the Goebbels team has been delivering to you? PDFs that could be easily printed as flyers might be good; I just don't know. I remember reading that Matcom and Will Pitt had distributed flyers around Boston earlier in the misadministration. Maybe we could ask them for advice.

My shrewdest thought is that everything is probably worth a try. Talking points (kudos to BevHarris for hers, but I'm thinking a little downmarket), flyers, new weblogs, new sites, any damn thing we can think of. These guys are treasonous lying thieves, and they own the entire news media. Anything at all that will put a dent in their mountain of lies is probably worth a try. Just my 60 kopecks, of course.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:36 AM
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13. speaking of kopeks
Have you seen those Deception Dollars?

Those are quite effective, and I've left many of them at cafe's and bookstores.

Captain Mike
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:51 AM
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15. No, I hadn't
(For others who hadn't either, they're here: http://mall.globalfreepress.com/foundation.cgi/00071.html)

By the way, I'm so anal-retentive, I actually found a currency converter to find a relatively well-known currency that roughly equals 2 cents. I'm a nutcase, I know.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:09 AM
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16. they've got lotsa info on them
and are for sale in bulk.

Me being an indigent struggling actor, I wanna buy more and distribute them freely. They only sell them in large quantities. If you are anyone here wanna go in a single order, I'd love to buy some.

Or, yeah, we can come up with kinda pamplet, huh? Like Thomas Paine?

Captain Mike
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:42 PM
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8. Words of one syllable -
my journalism teacher used to say that we should write to the level of a 6th grader.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:04 PM
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10. Well it's not so much that as to break through to people who'd rather
just ignore the process and let the "grownups" take care of everything. Pretty big words are nice, but anything that makes anyone have to stop and think "What this word mean?" breaks their train of thought, such as it is, and gives them the excuse to put this brochure or whatever down and get back to their lives.

Unfortunately most Americans are so inoculated by lifelong rightwing socialization that the best slogans ("Bush lied, troops died, vets denied," "No blood for oil") are just going to be tuned out as being radical rabble-rousing. We need to distill the message, convey the magnitude of Bush junta/PNAC lies, but in simple message that also communicates all that's at stake in 2004. Obviously I'm too pretentious for the job, but we have a lot of good straightforward writers here. Hopefully, they'll step up.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:01 PM
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5. You are correct.
I have had this experience with several friends. Some of them VERY pro-war. Be polite and be factual and over time they will come around.

Not everyone I talk to completely understands but no one has any less respect for me for my efforts. In fact I seem to have become the political "expert" within my circle of friends and co-workers even with those that disagree. I am always being asked for my opinion and always do my best to provide thoughtful insight backed up by facts.

The political landscape is changing quickly. I think because of the failure in Iraq but also because of people like us who have kept hope alive during a very depressing period in our history. I am proud to have played my small part in this and believe it was well worth the effort and insults from those who did not want to know.

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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:34 PM
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6. Cyber Paul Reveres
Really.

I do think of ourselves as nothing less...

Captain Mike
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:41 PM
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7. You kick ass -
And that quote made me cry and smile at the same time. It bears repeating:

Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
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JetJaguar Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:57 PM
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9. Bush Zapata/Soylent Green
http://finance.lycos.com/home/research/marketguide.asp?symbols=NYSE:ZAP



Overview of the company

Zapata Corporation operates in the food segment through its 60%-owned subsidiary, Omega Protein Corporation, which is involved in the production and sale of a variety of protien and oil products derived from fish. For the 6 months ended 6/30/03, revenues rose 3% to $52.4M. Net income increased 28% to $3.1M. Results reflect higher sales volumes of fish meal and fish oil and a decrease in SG&A expenses.


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http://aging.senate.gov/oas/news020311.htm


Service Corp. International

Complaints. Florida, with its large population of retirees, is the country's death-care capital. It is also a hotbed of death-care complaints, several of them against giant Service Corp. International, which controls nearly 4,000 mortuaries, cemeteries, and crematories nationwide. In a lawsuit filed last December, consumers accused two of Service Corp.'s South Florida cemeteries of dumping bones in the woods, burying bodies on top of one another, and mixing human remains in a careless farrago within crypts. Service Corp. is hardly the only operator under fire. Transcripts from meetings of the Florida Cemetery Board show regulators in constant battle with cemeteries that have not properly handled prepaid funds, failed to build mausoleums paid for by customers, or buried several people in the same plot. At Cedar Hill and Bellevue Memory Gardens in Daytona Beach last year, investigators said the owners had misplaced more than 50 bodies, illegally buried or burned medical waste, and broken open vaults to shove other remains inside. Robinson said cemetery workers were even stealing gold teeth and selling them to pawnshops.




Never let Dick Van Patton tuck you in.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:10 PM
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11. Read my sig line ...
Great inspiration Capt..
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:16 PM
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12. Right on!
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:38 AM
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14. Who cares.
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 12:39 AM by Brian Sweat
As long as Soylent Green has Republican backing, the people will wolf it down.
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