I'm seeing a lot of homophobia around here recently...

[Guy Fawkes]

It may just be me, but this whole "so-and-so is gay" thing seems very homophobic. This may be hard to believe, but the libido DOES NOT control political leaning. A man can be gay and still be conservative.

I am not a liberal because of my sexual orientation. I am a liberal because I was raised in a household where all viewpoints were listened to and I found that the democrats (more often then not) had better idea then the republicans. I dare say, if I had grown up in a republican household, I could very well have been a republican!

And FYI, there are the Log-Cabin Republicans.

[MidwestTransplant]

1. You can be conservative and gay

but anybody who is a Gay Republican has real issues with themselves IMO.

[LiberalVoice]

5. Seriously...

You really must hate yourself if you would consider being a gay conservative. Either that or so badly want to be accepted by a group of people that hate you that you're willing to sacrifice your dignity to do so.

[Misunderestimator]

16. Exactly like living in the closet. A choice to sacrifice your dignity...

[MidwestTransplant]

34. I was referring to economic conservative

certainly gay people can be economic conservatives.

[Telly Savalas]

37. And foreign policy conservatives as well.

These two things work pretty independently of the GOP's hateful social agenda.

[ldf]

38. gay people can be economic conservatives....

they can be that in the democratic party. remember, we are the big tent party. it IS possible

if they have to do it in the republican party it means the wallet wins out over safety, pride, integrity, tolerance, equality.

what is wrong with that picture?

[Kikosexy2]

24. God! tell...

me about it. My ex-friend has major issues--very hypocritical and a liar at that! He loves Latino men but favors deporting them--huh??

[LibertyorDeath]

2. Speaking for myself it has nothing to do with homophobia

and everything to do with the unbelievable Hypocrisy of these Right wing
Anti-Gay homophobic Asswipes

[readmoreoften]

20. I agree, it's the hypocrisy

But sometimes people when people post their hypocrisy it sounds so salacious... as in "So-and-so is GAY!" I think maybe for us queers it sounds really similar in linguistic structure to the homophobic statements we've heard all our lives.

I think that Log Cabin Republicans aren't confused. They're just a bunch of rich homos who want to be accepted. I think that closeted republican homos who gay-bash are another story.

[Spiffarino]

27. It IS the hypocrisy

The sexual orientation of Ken Mehlman, "Jeff Gannon", David Dreier and others is meaningless except in the context of their support for the destruction of rights for people like them. To me they are like the few wealthy German Jews who gave Hitler the straight-arm salute in the 1930s, foolishly believing that his hateful ideology didn't apply to them.

[KittyWampus]

3. GOP Homosexuals Are Unable To Act Overtly & Thus Do Much

covertly.

Someone made the very good point that in Soviet days... homosexuals made very good operatives... easily blackmailed...

Remember last SOTU when Jr. made a bizarre statement about child prostitiution?

It seems not unlikely that it was a veiled t hreat to people in the Beltway...

It's not the sexual orientation here... it is the HYPOCRACY.

[LizMoonstar]

4. I think most are thinking more of the hypocrisy

of being closeted gay and spending all your time gay-bashing in public to deflect attention. I doubt anyone here actually thinks that their sexuality contributes to their evil. It's just a matter of oppressing your own kind for gain that bothers people. And Republican or conservative doesn't immediately mean gay-basher, but these people being speculated about are being both. It would be ironic, and sad, if they were gay because of all the hatred they have for gay people.

If they didn't hate gay people, no one would care if they may be gay or not.

[Canuckistanian]

6. "A man can be gay and still be conservative."

Not in America, he can't. Not openly, anyways.
And what's with Log Cabin Republicans? How can a gay organization support a party that's trying to wipe them off the face of the earth?

[librechik]

7. nah, democrats hate fascist assholes of any sexual orientation

that's because we're liberals.

[Us vs Them]

8. Please don't confuse the calling out of hypocrisy as anything homophobic

I think we're all a bit concerned that these people who are later 'outed' have publicly supported a policy that vehemently works against the lifestyles they are secretly leading. In order to work towards a more open and honest society, I believe these individuals should be tarred and feathered.

Gay is not a problem. Hypocrisy is. And I'm sure with reference to the Jeff Gannon case we can all agree that prostitution is not a family value.

[bowens43]

9. It's not about them being gay , it's about hypocrisy.

I haven't seen the posts you speak of but I have to assume that the people being referenced (if they are gay) are some of the same Republicans who are constantly whining about the 'gay agenda' and pushing to make anti-gay bigotry part of the Constitution. I really don't believe that anyone here would be putting someone down because they are gay.

[Cha]

10. I don't see it as "homophobic"..

I just see it as pointing out the hypocrisy and treachery of people who happen to be gay.

[The Doctor.]

11. Right, but I don't think that's the issue...

I think it's not so much 'homophobia' as 'hypocriphobia'.

People are going after Gay-bashing, homophobic, conservative... homosexuals.

They're targeting them for their hypocrisy, not for being gay.

[jus_the_facts]

12. nahhh....I was raised by racist repubs...and I turned out aight...

...some o'us black sheep make it out with some common sense!! :D

[quiet.american]

14. :) n/t

[smoogatz]

13. The only people more conflicted than black Republicans

are gay Republicans. Talk about wanting to join a club that wouldn't have someone like you as a member... That said, there's nothing more delicious than exposing a gay-baiting rightwing asshat as gay. It's like catching a TV preacher with a six-foot black hooker--priceless.

[WestPCadet]

15. agree. good post.

[Misunderestimator]

17. Wow... one post and zap?

What'd I miss? Was just about to welcome you to DU.

[karlrschneider]

32. Something wrong with that picture.....I see nothing offensive in his post

:wtf:

[Misunderestimator]

33. I know... unless the counts go down if posts are deleted...

:shrug:

[Spiffarino]

41. Maybe got caught by IP address, email, etc.

If Skinner is back-checking IPs, email accounts, and other stuff it may be that the poster was previously banned and was trying to sneak back in.

Wow. I already don't miss him...

[rigel99]

18. Gays in today's political climate

are no different than gays or jews or polish or gypsies in Hitler's Germany. They are a race methodically being cleansed by the denial and eventual expulsion from the most basic liberties... it could be argued the right to marry is more fundamental than any other right, because we are loving beings and they are saying we cannot love one another.

the log cabin republicans are like many people I meet such as married women in the closet, etc. they are simply and merely people living a cognitively dissonant life. Their actions are completely out of touch with their ideals because no log cabin republican can truly stand for the BUSHIT of this administration. I did see how they agonized and eventually 'did not support' Bush at the convention, but that was like asking Hitler to put only a little less gas in the gas chamber.....

I'm pretty clear the world we live in, is one where as a gay member, I am a marked creature. My exit strategy is in this order:

1. prove election fraud in Georgia
2. take it to Howard Dean
3. Sue everybody in sight
4. Start a statewide recall of candidates put in office illegally because of election tampering
5. Move to new zealand, buy a japanese all wood 30 Foot Yakima sailboat and watch the clouds go by....

[hangemhigh]

19. Yes, you are seeing that.

I think there will always be those who stop at seeing someone outed (even if it is from their own m4m websites)and never look at the story in its
entirety. Most rational people, however, are not appalled that Gannon, for instance, is gay. I am appalled that he is undermining gay rights by writing anti-gay themes on behalf of the WH. I am appalled that another case of paid WH propaganda is being glossed over by the MSM. Therefore, what is appalling to me is that he is a hypocrite.

In addition, we have someone with, at best an undocumented education, dubious press credentials with direct access to the WH, who gleefully parrots their themes, who brags about it, at DU no less, and most importantly has had access to the CIA memo about Valerie Plame.

Although Chimp gets away with everything, it is generally believed that putting the Plame story together would be an unstoppable train to treason charges against Chimp, et al.

As for the Log Cabin Repubs, I do not understand their support of an agenda that further marginalizes gay Americans.

My .02

[UdoKier]

21. I kind of agree.

I think the gay aspect of these stories has been overplayed when the real scandal is that Gannon was a whore using a pseudonym while throwing bush the most ridiculous softball questions.

As for outing, I'm in favor of it when the person in question is well-known and proven to be gay because being gay and supporting the gay-bashing GOP agenda is supremely hypocritical. The exception would be a real maverick republican who fully supports gay rights. But Gannon was as bad a gay basher as the others, so he deserves to be outed as such.

[dusty64]

22. Yeah but when these

same hypocrites are trying to turn gay people into third class citizens I've got a HUGE problem with them. They should be outed and shown to the world has the asshole double standard evil shits that they are!!!!!!

[KT2000]

23. Please do not misunderstand

as I felt might happen as I made a few posts.
Bush used the gay marriage issue as a wedge issue to pull in the fundamentalists. This was no small issue in getting him into office (of course there was vote fraud too). There are stillreverberations of that escapade going on in state houses across this country - banning gay marriage.

If you read David Brock's book Blinded by the Right, you know from his reporting that he was surprised to learn there were so many "in the closet" gay men in conservative circles.

If it turns out that some of the architects of the gay marriage wedge issue were closeted gays wouldn't that speak to the hypocricy of the conservatives? Shouldn't the truth be known so we can have an honest dialog about the need for equal rights?

If the very people who were speaking of limiting the rights of gay people turned out to be gay themselves - we have to expose that charade.

[TahitiNut]

25. I'd reply, but I'm too frightened. EEEEEEK!

Oops. :dunce: I thought I saw one. :silly:
I won't even allow one of those milk cartons in the house. :evilgrin:

[hector459]

26. It's not homophobia. It all about homo-hypocrisy-phobia!!!

It's about gay conservatives who bash other gays by day and sleep with them at night. It's about people in power--either straigt or gay--who say one thing and do another; who say they believe one thing and behave differently; who ruin other people's lives by their lies and smearing only to be caught at doing the same or worse than those they smear. I do not accept your label as "homophobic" and I will not back down from calling it as it is!!

[Shakespeare]

28. What he said. n/t

[liberal43110]

29. I haven't seen any homophobia

The point is that some people in the White House acted underhandedly (illegally?) by breaking the rules in allowing this guy in. They broke the rules (law?) by allowing someone without journalist credentials and without a background check to repeatedly receive a day pass under a false name.

The gay stuff just underlines their hypocrisy.

[readmoreoften]

30. Just a note about the Log Cabin Republicans....

And I'm no LCR supporter. But, by the way, they did NOT endorse the Bush/Cheney ticket for presidency. They tried so hard to get *'s acceptance, but they were so brutally rejected (not even permitted access the RNC) that they stuck their collective tail between their legs and made a statement that they could not endorse * in good conscious because they were so stringently anti-gay.

Talk about a wake up call.

[ComerPerro]

31. I don't consider outing Republicans to be homophobic

Im not gay, but I don't have a problem with this.

They run on a platform that says that homosexuality is an immoral choice made by degenerates. And then they themselves turn out to be homosexual?

:wtf:

[dvaravati]

35. so you admit hypocracy

I thought you were raised to listen to all viewpoints?
I'm a liberal because of my own life experiences, not because I was brainwashed by my parents to be politically correct.

[hangemhigh]

36. The replies are really disheartening-

I posted this earlier because I was worn out with the GAY MEME about Gannon. Maybe I was wrong about people being outraged over Gannon's asshole-ness and not his gay-ness. What do you think?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3082125&mesg_id=3082125

[superconnected]

39. skip

I should have read better.

[sundog]

40. I can't concur on this point...

another vote for the exposure of hypocrisy...

If some closeted asshole (through reinforcement of hypocritical ideology and support of legislation) is making my existence on this tiny planet more difficult, I'm supposed to give a shit about him?

As a member of the GLBT community, am I supposed to give him free pass simply because he's "one"? After he has openly campaigned against us?

He made his bed...

Drag him out kicking & screaming. I'll watch with popcorn.

[norml]

42. It's like outing a Jew who's working for the Hitler administration.

That wouldn't be anti Semitic, would it? I think that the more they work for the evil movement that calls itself Conservative, the more we should out them. It's not homophobic, it's anti hypocrite.