People, stop with the Gay Gannon/Outing Bullshit and Read This!

[hangemhigh]

First of all, NO ONE should out ANY gay man or woman AT ALL. Even IF THEY ARE RW! You heard it here first, from a straight gal.

Christ, like being a member of a political party we happen to have contempt for makes you game for outing. By that logic, you could also be outed for being a Dem. Or anything else.

The only people who should out gay men and women are those men and women themselves. Period. Hello? This is an intensely personal decision that typically impacts every aspect of a life and rarely in a good way. Ever been with a gay friend as they have gone through this fucking hell? I wouldn't wish it the fuck on anyone, including an enemy.

Jeff Gannon outed himself. He was stupid and thought he could hide on the "internets" but the fact is he did it. No "liberal blogger" went too far. He had the websites, he posted the pictures. He may have PREFERRED not to have been discovered, but he fucked up. As a "journalist in the WH press corps" you'd think he would have clued that it's not too hard for those on the web to find out damned near anything. I digress.

I just ask that some consideration be shown to our fellow HUMANS, including gay Freepers. These are 2 separate issues and to say that RW Gays should be outed, even if they are involved in the despicable behavior coming out of the WH is to endorse the same kind of witch hunting bullshit I THOUGHT we all opposed.

My bitch with Gannon is that he's a low life piece of trash hypocrite who is willing to sell out other people GAY AND STRAIGHT for his own fucked up agenda.

Rant over. Thank you. Very much.

[rooboy]

1. If you are a gay person who promotes an anti-gay agenda...

then you are a hypocrite and deserve to be outed. When you deny other people the right to their secret whilst keeping yours, you wouldn't get one ounce of sympathy from me.

[burn the bush]

40. yeah,

[Shredr]

43. Here, here!

[DulceDecorum]

58. It is like finding out about Strom's black daughter

after all the nasty things he has said and done to black people.
Execpt this time,
since no offspring are involved,
we can call him out in public.

Jeff Gannon has lent new meaning to the term
Media Whore.

[rodeodance]

65. well, said. I agree.

[sundog]

2. sorry, I don't give a shit if a right winger is outed

[Old and In the Way]

3. Well, I'm sure the Republican corporate press agrees with you.

We should just let the Republicans keep divide the country and capitalize politically on using gays as a wedge issue, right? Far be it for us to point out the hypocrisy between their personal lives and their publicly stated policy.

Until we start getting vocal with exposing their hypocrisy, uninformed and single-issue voters will continue to vote for these crooks. That's why the issue resonates here.

[Vanje]

4. Gay Schmay!

Thae asshole apparently ran a prostitution ring!

That deserves an outing.

[hangemhigh]

8. Link please?

[Vanje]

14. "Escort Service"

A M4M escort service isnt for getting your plain little sister a polite prom date.

[LynneSin]

70. Technically he was not running an escort service

I truly believe that Gannon/Guckert was not involved with male prostitution. He registered websites but we have found no proof that any prostitution has been involved.

I remember when I first got on the Internet via AOL. I was checking out the chat room and there were tons of these M4M, M4W, etc chat rooms. THese were not prostitution but simple just online chat rooms, maybe folks hoping to hook up.

His AOL site was probably just a personal website he gave out to guys he was trying to pickup either through AOL or some other online 'chat room' site.

But prostitution is a stretch even for us. Let's call it what it is - he was gay and he was cruising online for hookups.

And btw - from Wolf Blitzer I found out what Jeff Gannon's family is - not wife & kids but his Mother, Brother and Sister-in-law

[Hell Hath No Fury]

5. This straight gal...

says "out the fuckers".

If a closeted RW pol/public figure makes their living by trying to deny my gay and lesbians brothers and sisters their basic human rights, then they deserve to have their hypocrisy made known in the most public of ways.

And if there was a closeted Dem stupid enough to advocate against gay rights, then out'em too -- so Dems can know who should and should not be supported.

[CatWoman]

7. LOL

I love you, HHNF!!!

:hi:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

27. Back attcha!

:hi:

[hangemhigh]

10. This is not about outing Jeff Gannon.

He did that himself. It is about outing. I must not have made that clear.

[ruggerson]

29. "Outing" in and of itself is a homophobic concept

If one truly believes that there is nothing wrong with being gay, then there is no such thing as "outing."

[Vanje]

18. This Lesbian gal .....

also says "Out the Fuckers!"

[Lindacooks]

33. Fabulous!!

Thank you - I agree 100%

[cally]

37. Exactly

Don't build your RW agenda bashing gays and then expect to stay in the closet. Out the hypocrites.

:hi: Hell

[Kingshakabobo]

71. This Gay man says out the fuckers. WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE! n/t

[Catch22Dem]

6. You said it yourself!

"My bitch with Gannon is that he's a low life piece of trash hypocrite who is willing to sell out other people GAY AND STRAIGHT for his own fucked up agenda."

So, the way I see it, fuck him.

[FreedomAngel82]

45. I say to only out them if

they are out there bashing fellow gay's. If they aren't then we don't know the situation, but if they are going around publicaly denying rights to others of their own brothers/sisters then it's not right.

[AuntiBush]

53. Ditto

Agreed. Fuck hm'! All the way!

[Stop_the_War]

9. I'm gay and I think Gannon is a hypocritical traitorous bastard IMO

Anyone who betrays their own community and works for the evil side deserves to be outed.

[hangemhigh]

26. I am saying,

and obviously, without much eloquence, is that GAY and ASSHOLE are not one in the same. Jeff Gannon happens to be both and DID try to subjugate the gay rights agenda by being said asshole. I get all of that. What blows me away is that ANYONE would support outing anyone else, ever, period. He outed himself as a closeted gay asshole.

Clearly I am in the minority here, and that's cool, I appreciate the feedback and will review my position. However, at this time, I maintain that no one for any reason should out anyone else. He outed himself. The shit on his m4m websites are FAIR GAME because HE PUT THEM THERE. I'm sure he was gay long before he was an asshole. Or not.

This is about respecting the dignity and privacy of gay people who are not out. Even if they ARE assholes. I think it generally denigrates homosexuality and feeds the RW agenda.

Take Ken Mehlman. Asshole? For sure. Gay? Who knows.
I don't think it's right to go there. It supports the RW bullshit about Gay being Wrong.


If he has or does put himself in a position where he is out and advertising sex on the internet- fair game.

[LynneSin]

73. Hangem - I don't think anyone here would out just any GLBT....

....I know I never would.

But if I found out a lying piece of trash hypocritical asshole promoting anti-gay legislation and the Bush agenda was a secreted homosexual I wouldn't think twice about it. And that would go with anyone else who talks against one thing and then in secret does that same exact thing

I think your post combined Gannon with Outting where now I see it's more of just outting someone in general.

[Stirk]

11. Sorry, no.

The White House has lost a valued member of their propaganda team, and they've been put on the defensive. We need alot more of this.

This sort of thing works. You can be polite if you like. I'd rather win.

[Canuckistanian]

12. This isn't homo-bashing

It's throwing the hyena into the lion's pit. If he wants to live by the sword (writing pieces supporting the * anti-Gay agenda) then he'll die by the sword (roasted by the RW community).
Screw him.

[Swede]

13. This Vichy collaborator being outed is poetic.

He does not deserve your concern.

[ruggerson]

15. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Your view comes from a worldview where there is still something "wrong" with being gay (even if you yourself don't believe it, you're buying into it).

If you come from the more evolved place that THERE IS NOT A DAMN DIMES WORTH OF DIFFERENCE "morally" between being straight or gay, then talking about someone's sexuality is not a big deal.

You don't change the world by coddling and bowing down to it's prejudices.

You change the world by calling bigotry by it's real name. There is nothing wrong with being gay and there is nothing wrong with discussing the affectional/sexual orientation of any individual, since the subject pretty much completely defines the adult family life of everyone in the world.

[Occulus]

16. As a gay man who was booted out for it by his parents

and who sees lots and lots of "do as I say, not as I do" from the Republicans, I must say- if they themselves are gay, they deserve to not only be outed, but to be filmed, photographed, and recorded getting their secret jollies, and those materials deserve to be put online everywhere and discussed on every political blog, news site, TV talkshow, etc. They deserve every last shred of humiliation and shame they get from their families, peers, and political comrades.

I'm done being all nice and high-handed. I encourage the outing of political hypocrites and desire photographic, video, or audio evidence so I can play it over and over again to everyone I meet.

[Pachamama]

59. I'd like to start with David Dreier of CA...Ahnuld's lil buddy and MSM's

favorite political shill to comment on things from the GOP point of view...I'm absolutely convinced he's a closeted Gay and yet here he campaigns for people that don't have the Gay communities best interest (nor anyone elses) at heart....

[Swamp Rat]

60. Out the bastids all!

"Remember Clinton!" ... Yeah! That would be a GREAT mantra for whenever we see these fascists make ANY error, especially crap like "Gannon." Bennet's a two-timing gambler, Gingrich is competing with Larry King for divorcing wives (though he beats King with the one where he tells his wife he's divorcing her while she is in the hospital with cancer), Strom has a "nigra" daughter, and the nazi-fundies have a long track record of hypocrisies...

Just remember what THEY did to Clinton.

[Pachamama]

61. Amen Brother Swamp Rat!

:hi:

[libnnc]

17. any gay guy who

has his own little "cottage industry" and puts his (almost) buck nekkid picture on his website was not..."outed". Spare me the victim shite. :eyes:

From a lesbian who is fed-effing-up with hypocrisy in government and whoring in the MSM...

[lwin]

19. Jews collaborating with the Nazi's

I'll defer to my gay friends on this subject. Jews collaborating with Nazi's...that's the way they see it. If they think he's fair game, then who am I to disagree? In case you haven't noticed, the neocons declared WAR on Dems, gays, blacks, women, the poor, and about a dozen other groups a long time ago.

[Duncan Grant]

20. I will out any gay collaborator who works for the Rove administration.

Dear DU Friends,
Please out any and all gay men who are complicit in the dehumanization and vilification of gay men.

This big fag thanks you. :hi:

[LeftCoast]

42. Hey you Mr. Mod!

This big homo says howdy! :D

Congrats on your new superpowers. :hi:

[Duncan Grant]

57. They gave me the magic bracelets!

How's that for superpowers?! :D :hi:

[LynneSin]

76. Thanks 94114, I'll print this out and keep it handy for future reference

In case I come across any more closet homosexual anti-gay hypocrites (geez, never thought that was possible!!!)

[Jacobin]

21. Yes. Let's "play nice" with the RW monsters who are destroying the

country.

We all know they would never ever play dirty with democrats.

:eyes:

[donheld]

22. As a gay man i strongly disagree

If the idiot is being a hypocrite about it then i think they should be shoved out of the closet to expose their hypocracy.

[Kahuna]

23. You're entitled to your opinion. ....

And we are all entitled to ours.

[librechik]

24. that info was publicly available

if he didn't want people to know, he didn't have to post.

Also, none of the MSM have mentioned the gay aspect, as far as I know.

So nobody's been outed except to a very few blogger addicts.

[Bluebear]

25. Sorry, no.

When your actions are responsible for the repression and villifying of an entire group of Americans, your "secrets" aren't safe. And PS it's not only that he is gay but that he is promoting prostitution ("Military stud escprts") and the like while shilling for the right wing.

[MrSlayer]

28. I disagree. Out all the hypocrites. n/t

[la la]

31. la la

I'm almost 65, wife, mother, grama, retired teacher and I say----- out them all --what's to be ashamed of? Keeping dirty secrets? Running an 'escort' service? - cripes all mighty ---as granny used to say!

Be gay and proud- don't diss your fellow gays. Don't be a hypocrite.

[w13rd0]

30. Nope...

...out him, humiliate him, impoverish him, whatever. Sorry, he's a traitor, in SOOOO many ways.

[amazona]

32. if you're afraid to out hypocrisy

...then you have just given the other side a very powerful weapon. Because they can continue to live their life as they please while continuing to destroy my ability to live my life as I please.

There are times when I have to question motives. I am finding it very difficult to understand why we are not allowed to out hypocrites. It is very difficult to understand why any progressive would really want us to step away from seeking and speaking truth.

The right wingers try to cheat me of my privacy, but they should be a privileged class and be allowed to enjoy theirs? No. The wingnut who buys an abortion for his daughter yet wants to deny me my right to abortion should be exposed. The freep who enjoys gay sex but tries to destroy other couple's gay relationships should be exposed.

I honestly do not see how there can be two points of view in this matter, sorry.

I'm honestly shocked at the number of people on this site who want to protect a proven hypocrite. It really makes you stop and wonder.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[mike_c]

34. I agree, and to those who've justified this by pointing to...

...Gannon's hypocrisy, don't complain when someone makes moral decisions about YOUR life. If his agenda sucks, criticize his agenda, but using his sexuality to attack him is no better than typical repig smear tactics. Shame on anyone who does that.

[hangemhigh]

35. Ya know what? Maybe you all are correct-

and possibly I completely mis-stated my opinion. I'm not at DU to be nasty to anyone. And maybe I am just too old for this opinion to be relevant anymore. I am speaking from a position of having lifelong gay friendships where I have watched my friends struggle to protect their sexuality in an effort to protect their family relationships, careers, etc. Although I may have hoped at the time they would be gay and proud and out and over it all, they had other consequences, real or imagined to consider. I do maintain that it is their choice. What I can say I have seen in the majority is those friends being much happier overall once they are "out" or whatever the right term is regardless of said consequences. I would add that I came from an extremely repressed red state. What I have seen is the personal struggle to come out and what that has involved for friends. This is the explanation of my position. I generally agree with most of the replies here, although not as aggressively.

Jeff Gannon is fair game. He did this to himself. I have no issue with that at all. I don't find though, that I could out someone I knew to be gay and who had not already outed him/herself to advance my political agenda. I do believe the REAL story about Gannon is related to the Plame incident. In an effort to defend my gay friends, I see that I have invited a flame war and that was definitely not the intent.

So I guess I am just an outdated old F-Hag. But thanks for making me think about this. This is the reason I am at DU.

[donheld]

50. hangem I would NEVER out anyone UNLESS

This person was doing his/her best to destroy the lives of gay/lesbian people with their hypocracy. If a hypocrite is intent on harming members of the gay community, we must do everything we can do to keep that from happening.

BTW I haven't noticed you being "nasty" or rude to anyone. You seem like a very lovely lady.

[hangemhigh]

66. Thanks, I appreciate that, I really do-

I can see now where my rant probably invited the responses it did. That was me being really unhappy about the focus on this guy's sexuality as opposed to what I consider to be the big picture, his total hypocrisy notwithstanding. Honestly, I am here to learn and I learned some important lessons with this post. Peace.

[Behind the Aegis]

56. My thoughts on this, my new friend!

Hello! I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from, I think! So, I am going to try and state it. You are saying no gay person should be outed because of the societal issues they might face in a very anti-gay world. I can appreciate that feeling. I am gay and out, my partner is "kinda" out, but could lose his job (here in lovely Oklahoma :eyes:) if they "knew" he was gay. But, what others are saying, is that if a closeted gay person is actively working against the gay community, then they should be outed because they are hypocrites.

I don't think you think that being gay is bad at all, but you understand that some of us cannot be "out" because it is not a perfect world and being out could be dangerous for us. However, hypocrisy should always see the light of day, even if that means exposing someone's sexual orientation (when that is the real issue).

Don't stress over this. I understand where you are coming from! :) I am just glad to know there is another straight person out there who cares as much about gays as she does straights!

[hangemhigh]

75. You got it! I should have had you ghost-write my original post!

Thank you for setting this straight. I am a person who doesn't choose to do harm to anyone for any reason. Gay, straight, black, white, it really doesn't matter to me. I do not like to see anyone, any creature marginalized. I think that people who do fucked up things, like Gannon, invite their own come uppance and that it's not my job to create it-For others, who believe it's important to do so, fine with me. As I've contended, he did this to himself. I do wish to have ongoing debates about the ethics of all of this-I am always open to the fact that I am wrong-but I didn't anticipate the response this drew in the negative- I really appreciate your re-stating this in a less inflammatory way. Ok, I suck, is everybody happy now?

:toast:

[David Zephyr]

36. He Should Have Been Outed. He Disgraces Homosexual Americans.

Closeted reactionaries should be always be outed for their hypocrisy.

This creep was part of Bush's illegal and unethical campaign of lies and distortions which resulted in John Kerry losing the Presidency and subsequently, a gay-bashing administration.

No rant from me, but just one question: why on earth would you want to protect this self-loathing creep from being exposed?

And he did not "out" himself. You make it sound like he was upfront about it. He wasn't.

This is a very old argument and you are still clinging to the losing side of history.

[sandnsea]

38. Sensationalist journalism

I don't know why everybody here gets pissed off about stupid MJ & Lacey stories when the gay portion of this story is the exact same thing.

I don't have a problem with playing dirty, but if we miss the REAL story in the process, then that's totally fucked up.

THAT is the problem I have with it, even DU is more interested in sensationalism than hard journalism and it sucks.

[Az]

39. I don't think anyone is claiming he is gay

They are just pointing out that he is running/working a male escort service working with and for members of the miltary. No need to be gay to do this sort of work.


Its the hypocrisy. He has written many antihomosexual articles and seems to be deriving his income from the community he is attacking. That is entirely fair game. Particularly as he was being the schill for Bush and company who are seeking to undermine the advances made in society concerning homosexual rights.

Its not that he is gay(we don't know that). Its that he is running a male prostitution ring.

[Bouncy Ball]

41. Nope. If they are a republican

they are in the party that is actively trying to kick the SHIT out of the homosexual community every chance they get.

Which means if they ARE gay, and repuke, I'm going to out them every fucking chance I get.

It's NOT that they are GAY, it's that they are fucking EVIL HYPOCRITES!!!!

[KissMeKate]

44. mercy on freepers? hell no.

fuck, Ive taken enough flack for being bi- I will not play nice with self hating gay freeps.

[Dookus]

46. Nope

this gay guy says out 'em all. If they're working to take away MY rights, then I will point out their hypocrisy.

[BlackVelvetElvis]

47. I disagree.

Anyone who works to bring me down (or my gay brothers and sisters) deserves to be outed. We all know what the radical right wing agenda is concerning homosexuals-I say let them eat their own.

[dhinojosa]

48. If they attack a cartoon sponge I will retaliate.

LMAO!!

[BikeWriter]

49. This is a matter of survival! This #### helped * steal America!...

...Show no quarter!

[Melynn]

51. Let's be nice

While the neo-cons plot to destroy us. O.K., I'll be nice...NOT!!!!!!

I say let's use whatever legal means to bring down these people.

[WillowTree]

52. Wow!

And all this from folks who criticize others for a lack of compassion and an abundance of hypocrisy.

[donheld]

54. Your point?

[Raksha]

62. What do you consider the "hypocrisy" on this thread?

Most of the posters on this thread have expressed the opinion that they are not condemning Gannon for being gay (if he is), but for being a major hypocrite. I don't see any "hypocrisy" on their part, and I agree with them 100%.

As for "compassion," I'll have compassion on BushCo and the freepers when they show some compassion for the OTHER 99% of America--and not ONE goddamn minute before!

[Swede]

74. What are you saying.

Gannon is a hypocrite isn't he.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

55. We don't know whether he is gay or not.

For all anyone knows, he simply set those sites up with an intent to exploit gay people in some manner...

[Kinkistyle]

63. "Outing" someone is like saying "Hey BTW, Colin is African-American".

Does saying someone is of African-descent any worse or better than pointing out that someone is gay or lesbian? Its just the stating of a fact.

[Richard Steele]

64. We aren't "outing" him as GAY...

We are "Outing" him as a:
lying,
hypocritical
self-serving
self-loathing
LAW-breaking
freedom-hating
USA-undermining
SACK of maggot-ridden, FASCISM-ENABLING MONKEYSHIT!

The 'gay' thing is cool with me; that's normal. Happens to alot of folks.

Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go purchase a new 'hyphen' key....

[LynneSin]

67. We're not outting a gay man - we're outting a hypocrite

He was blatently derogatory towards the GBLT community and a mouth piece for the Bush's Anti Gay Amendment.

I would agree with everything you have said but we're not dealing with a normally secreted gay or lesbian here. We're dealing with someone who has gone to extremes to bash gays and promote the gay agenda. I feel no remorse for being a part of this.

[Medium Baby Jesus]

68. I won't stop

but thanks for your opinion.

[Walt Starr]

69. Nope, out every last right winger who is gay

Sorry, they are fair game for outting.

[slor]

72. I think he self-outed...

with his websites.

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. Bullshit.

Any RWer who supports this administration should be outed. Every last one of them. Repukes are NOT "fellow humans." I'm sorry, they aren't. They're a bunch lowlife scum who don't deserve one friggin' ounce of compassion or sympathy. OUT 'EM ALL :grr: