Did bush* have a stroke? these PHOTOS show his face slumping badly

[diamond14]

US President George W. Bush waves after a speech at the 'Concert Noble' hall in Brussels, 21 February 2005, during his three-day stay in Belgium. Bush pushed for a fresh start to US-Europe relations after rifts over Iraq and called for joint action to promote Middle East peace and revive democratic reforms in Russia.(AFP/BELGA/Benoit Doppagne

[leftchick]

1. That next to last one I noticed the other day...

Bell's palsey?

[WilliamPitt]

2. Dumb & Dumbererer

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[Lerkfish]

14. you must not know any stroke victims.

my first wife was a stroke victim...the fact is that strokes occur in a variety of ways and affect people differently depending on what portion of the brain is involved and how severely. Like any brain injury, individual symptoms vary widely.
Many people have complete aphasia, some can form nearly coherent sentences, some will occasionally do minor word substitutions. For example, my wife might be reading a book, and see the word "army" and instead say "navy" and be unaware it was wrong. If you were not looking at the page, you'd assume her to be correct. Also, she could balance a checkbook but not recognize a number if SPOKEN to her. She had partial paralysis but its severity varied, depending on a variety of factors, including stress and fatigue.

I'm not saying Bush had a stroke, but to claim he did not because his symptoms don't match a singular symptom template you have in mind is invalid.

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[uppityperson]

17. Difference between immediate stroke signs and longterm effects

Thanks for being a paramedic, you were very much appreciated by those you helped. People can have partial stroke recovery and be left with a partially droopy face in the long term too. I've known people left with a slight facial droop after a stroke, not a TIA. (I hate calling a stroke a Brain Attack. Whoever came up with that stupid name should be fired. A brain attack is when a lightbulb comes on over your head.) I'm considering teriary syphillis myself as this could explain the psych and speech and other neuro symptoms.

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[Lerkfish]

31. sorry to have offended you.

I suppose my personal experience with my wife is rendered invalid because you're a paramedic.

however, you're correct that my assertion you must not know any stroke victims is equally incorrect. My apologies.

As a paramedic, you've probably been with those victims all the way through their recovery process and viewed their symptoms years after the injury and seen that they never recover any functionality whatsoever beyond the day you see them as a paramedic.

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[Lerkfish]

34. well, we sort of agree on that.

I wasn't saying he DID or DIDN't have a stroke, I was just disagreeing on dismissing it out of hand.

sorry for the pissing contest. I think we both took things the wrong way a bit.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. Bush has shown other signs of weakness on his left side

Look at his left arm, it usually just hangs at his side. Sometimes, when he does use his left arm, it's like he has to think about using it. He act as if he has to exert more effort to move it around.

Also there have been numerous instances where it seems his legs don't work right. Again, it seems there is a weakness in his left leg, causing him to walk awkwardly and even to fall at times.

So it's not just his face, however lately the weakness on the left side of his face is much more apparent.

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[HereSince1628]

29. I'm guessing its a pinch of Kodiak...

When he's all gussyed up he keeps the tin in a pouch between his shoulder blades.

[zippy890]

4. There has been much speculation about this

His mouth is droopy---I've been rethinking the 'smirk',probably a stroke


http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2004/12/35839.php

http://cryptome.org/potus-ecg.htm

this ones the worse, from Nov/03

[blue neen]

19. His left eye looks awfully strange in all of the pix on this thread.

His mouth is drooping and his eye looks very weird.

[tanyev]

5. Do photographers purposely take bad pictures of him

because they dislike him so much, or is he just incapable of taking a dignified photo?

[smirkymonkey]

13. The camera, like the majority of the world, hates him.

It's impossible to take of dignified photograph of someone who is completely undignified.

The sight of him makes me absolutely sick.

[JanMichael]

6. No, he hasn't had a stroke, however, there was a guy

who wrote a book (I THINK it was the Bush Dyslexicon) who suggested that the sides of his face not matching up in expression are a sign of a very disturbed person.

Enlarge a picture of him...ANY photo of him facing the camera will do...and put your hand over one side of his face, then move it to the other side. You can clearly see this phenomenon in any photo of him. It is a visually disturbing image-

He does not exhibit stroke symptoms...however, Cheney did after 911.

Stephanie

[signmike]

15. I'm not standing up for the *, but everybody's face is like that

uneven. If you divide your own face down the center and copy the left with the right, and vice versa with the other side, you get two completely different looks. Often one side looks way happier than the other.
Wanna meet your evil twin? I think Photoshop or Illustrator should work well, but even a mirror held on a frontal picture will show it. We all did this back in high school, in the '60s.
Have fun...

[Jack Rabbit]

7. Bush is immune to both heart attack and stroke

He has neither a heart nor a brain.

[Vinca]

8. Poppy's kind of droopy looking, too. Maybe they share the same

illness (which, of course, has flown the muddled chicken coop of my mind).

[Hand]

9. Who the hell is that guy with him in Pic #1?

Wait a minute--Cripes! It's Grovelbot in a suit!!!

:7 :bounce:

[Last Lemming]

10. As a DU blogger and a doctor

I first noticed this back in the first debate--and I came out of my seat---I saw him a few days later though and it seemed much less prominent--but it's set a pattern--sometimes worse sometimes better--but trending towards worse than better. But I don't have an instantaneous diagnosis--Bell's Palsy is possible but that wouldn't come and go--and neither would a stroke (Bell's Palsy would involve both upper and lower half of face--stroke only the lower) What kind of neuro disease would come and go like that--best described as facial weakness made worse by stress?

Now I am sitting here asking what that means. . .I saw it months ago but others--nonphysicians--now are pointing it out. What do you do with a sick president--especially with the left nipping at your heels at every turn. It's hard enough wandering this far from the mainstream as far as politics go, but having your front man on the frizz--

One word: Yikes

[zippy890]

23. Double Yikes -

-snip-
PHOTOS Show George W. Bush Seriously Ill Physically

George W. Bush apparently is wearing a medical device for "persons at risk of cardiac arrest."
-snip-
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2004/12/35839.php

[diamond14]

24. great insite....yes, the 'front man' appears to be 'on the frizz'....

IMO, the big powers behind the scene are certainly considering pulling a 'nixon' should that become necessary, for any number of reasons....

----------------------------------:puke:

the 'nixon' shuffle: the VP resigns due to scandals (agnew)...

by LAW, nixon can replace the VP with anyone he wants (doesn't even have to be a politician, or any position)...nixon CHOOSE gerald ford...ford's only qualification being NO SCANDAL could be found because he never proposed a bill, or sponsored one, or passed one in 25 years in the HOUSE of representatives, elected by the sleepy small town of Grand Rapids, Michigan.......nixon was DESPARATE to find a scandal-free VP, since most reTHUGlicans were RIDDLED with scandals...

then, nixon was forced to resign due to scandals....

ford moved up to president...and then, ford APPOINTED the VP....

ford's appointed VP was nelson rockefeller, who had NO political position at the time, his main qualification being that he had TONS of money....

a few years later, family-values reTHUGlican VP, nelson rockefeller, married many years to his wife, Happy....nelson DIED in his own hotel, in his suite while having SEX with his 'personal assistant'.....as my mom said: nelson CAME and he WENT....


soooOOOO....America had TWO 'appointed' reTHUGlicans in the highest positions of power....neither one was elected by the people.....for bush*, it might well come down to that...and I am certain that war-profiteers are manuevering it as we type....

[zippy890]

25. Yes, KKKRove has always looked AHEAD

and plans accordingly.

[vixengrl]

11. Maybe they had to do a Botox-thing

to keep him from smirking so much in public.

[Gyre]

12. What an effin hairball he obviously is.

Never ceases to amaze me. In his case, a picture IS worth a thousand words.

Gyre

[Spiffarino]

18. Wait! I've got it!

He's a complete dipshit!

:evilgrin:

[Malva Zebrina]

20. another possibility

while the suspicion of stroke might be worth considering I will input a personal experience.

I have also seen hundreds of stroke victims and I do not personally think these photos exhibit the classic stroke appearance.

My husband had several teeth extracted from one side of his mouth. He wears a bridge. Nevertheless, there is bone shrinkage on that side of his jaw because of the extractions.

He fractured several vertebrae in his back in an accident and the MD that treated him in the ER asked me about the droop on that side of his face. I needed to tell her that it was his normal face. It is as noticeable as the pics presented here of Bush.

He is known to have had dental treatment since he entered the WH and he is said to have terrible teeth.(Molly Ivins) Indeed, pics of him showing his teeth--it look as though he never brushes his teeth--they are yellowed and do not look healthy.

Just saying

[mmonk]

22. I think a brain is required

in order to have a stroke.

[maxsolomon]

26. no. he's just an asshole

i can't wait to read the guardian.

[elehhhhna]

30. I read that one side of your face is the social side and one the real side

if you cover half of anyone's picture , one side looks like they WANT to look (smiling, etc.) and the other half is the real person. Try it.

Scary.

[Aristus]

33. A stroke damages the brain.

Don't you have to HAVE a brain?

Just asking.