How I know Ann Coulter is not a man

[Bluebear]

I used to join in on the 'fun' and make sex change jokes, too. Hey, Coulter exhorted people to take baseball bats to liberals, why not strike back at her, right? And then I walked in someone else's shoes. Calling Coulter a man wasn't an insult to her, it was an insult to transgendered people.

I had a brief chat with some new friends online who called me on my "Ann's a man" behavior. (I will always be grateful to them.) I felt bad for hours afterwards, and while doing my laundry I reflected on the encounter and how I had in a way become the bully I feared as a kid. I said we must all stand together and for once now I meant it....

The final convincing proof for me is that nobody as hateful as Ann Coulter could possibly know the pain of being "different" in this society. No one as smug and vile as Coulter could know what being an underdog is all about. No, she is not transgendered. She couldn't be! That involves more courage, self-awareness, heart and soul then Coulter will ever know.

Coulter remains ugly and alien to me. But now I am speaking from her inside out. (I still say she's no oil painting, by the way, but that's a topic for another day.) May I never again fall into the trap. Anyhow, just a few thoughts from me.

[Catherine Vincent]

1. Good for you.

We liberals are cool!:thumbsup:

[Anakin Skywalker]

2. Ann's Bombast Will Always Be Ugly.

We can always make fun of her for that! :)

[Bluebear]

3. Oh hell yeah

Can't stand her, for all the right reasons!

[maddiejoan]

4. thank you

You've made this TG gal smile.

[Bluebear]

6. Wow I conjured you up!

:hug:

Lest you think you don't change lives!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

14. Welcome to DU!

Hope you feel much more at home now! This is one very cool website...

[SeanQuinn]

56. Welcome to DU, and let's go METS!

WOO-HOO. Nice icon, and welcome to DU.

[myrna minx]

57. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[Runcible Spoon]

5. nope, not a man

a vile beast! She has de-speciated from humanity. Her children will be sterile mutants who can only breed by splitting like amoebas!

[sans qualia]

7. *applauds*

Wow. Bluebear, you are awesome. I only wish certain other people here were as empathetic as you.

:yourock: :hug:

[Warpy]

8. I'm not convinced

Her snarky, hyperfeminine prose and visceral loathing of any woman over 50 reminds me of everything I've heard from drag queens, and I've known quite a few drag queens whose performances I appreciated (if not the sentiments).

Sorry about this, but nobody who is that vicious at all times deserves much sympathy. Perhaps in an enlightened country we'd have enough people who cared to get her into appropriate mental health care. However, we have a society that greatly rewards lying and hate speech because they legitimize every awful thing humainty is capable of.

She's fair game in my book. If she ever seeks mental health care, she's off the hook.

[Bluebear]

10. A drag queen would be funnier

Just to reiterate, I have NO sympathy for Coulter. Can't stand her. I saw Boylesque in Vegas, those queens were a riot. No, Ann is a woman with real problems.

[readmoreoften]

11. the point isn't NOT insulting Ann Coulter

The point is that anti-trans comments insult trans people on this site as well as their partners and friends who struggle beside them.

And as a snarky and 'hyperfeminine' femme lesbian, let me tell you, I love women over 50, and in 16 years I hope to be one.

Ann Coulter will be one too, if she's lucky enough to live that long.

[Bluebear]

12. Hey RMO

Glad to see you.

[readmoreoften]

19. hey, bbear! n/t

[tishaLA]

33. Thank you, readmoreoften

you're absolutely right about the effects on trans people and thier partners when all those "tranny jokes" appear. It's far too common.

[slutticus]

84. This is not about giving that vile piece of scum any sympathy..

...It's about being sensitive to our transgendered brothers and sisters.

Of course she's fair game. But I think the point the OP makes is a good one. In the course of bashing her, we need to be careful that we are not hurting people who don't deserve to be disrespected.

[stubertmcfly]

9. i dunno...

that adams apple is friggin' HUGE!!!

[rbnyc]

64. The thing is...

MTF's generally identify as female. Calling her a man is an insult to people of transgender experience. End of story.

[Zenlitened]

13. Nicely stated.

:toast:

[Melynn]

15. Coulter is nuts

Speaking as a man, I don't want her as a member of my gender.

All the evil insane villains are men. It's about time for women to have a nut case of their own who wants to rule the world and kill anyone who gets in their way. It's only fair.

[BuyingThyme]

16. Good for you. I enjoyed reading your post. I'd like to suggest that

you start inferring that Ann is a Sasquatch. It's fun, hard hitting, and fittingly plays on a hairy wood-beast angle.

I doubt that the Sasquatch community nor the community of Sasquatch would mind. And the Sasquatch hunters in California, Oregon, and Washington are dying for a new angle.

A similar movement took hold when somebody successfully made the case that John Tesh is a space alien.

[readmoreoften]

22. No the community of Sasquatch would not want her!

No one does... only the Nazis and Neo-Cons. She's lower than vicious space aliens, subterranean lizard monsters, and pond scum and children's snotballs. Only the RWers want her.

[Cleita]

17. I just consider her a mean and misguided person

and I told her so in an email after receiving a lot of spam from her. I felt really insulted by her words even though she probably thought that what she says is clever. I have never called her names though or said she is transgendered. I did tell her that a sandwich would make her feel a lot better though, so I guess I am bad, suggesting she has a nutrition problem.

[readmoreoften]

18. You're a beautiful person, bluebear!

My trans boyfriend doesn't post on this site, but I'm going to email him a copy of your remarks. He is very introverted and he has had such bad experiences with people that he assumes that most people despise him and would be violent towards him if they had a chance. When I told him about our conversation, he got tears in his eyes and got all choked up and said, "Really? Someone changed their mind about transpeople like that?"

For the most part, in public, I use the pronouns 'she' when talking about my partner because we DO consider ourselves to be a part of the lesbian community (he's a very masculine lesbian and isn't instantly recognizable as male or female) and we don't want to 'pass as straight'. But among friends, people call us 'he' (meaning butch or masculine, not biologically male) and she (meaning femme). So I'm using 'he', bluebear, because you make me feel like I'm among friends!

:hug:

[followthemoney]

20. Sadly, people who fall outside the sexual boundaries

imposed by conservatives and still call themselves Republican are self haters who can think no better of others. They are Jews in Hitlers army (The words of David Brock). Only after feeling the type of pain they inflict on others will they reassess their actions.

[readmoreoften]

23. Yes, but so far we don't have any out pro-republican transfolk

So we need not critique any member of the transcommunity for being pro-bush. Coulter is not transsexual idiot. She's a nontranssexual idiot.

[followthemoney]

28. This is only some friendly character assasination. This only hurts

those who take it as an insult.

By the way, Luv Ya Maddie if you are still here.

[elshiva]

21. Thank you, Bluebear!

God and Goddess bless transgender people!
It's not that Coulter looks ugly, it's just she tells ugly lies.

[Stuckinthebush]

24. It takes a very big and very secure person to do that

If we all had your guts, then the world would be a better place.

Thanks for the post.

[UdoKier]

25. Great post.

I briefly thought that the 'Coulter is a Guy' jokes were funny - about THREE YEARS AGO! Whether you find the jokes offensive or not, they are beyond tired.

Stick to jokes about her gaunt, skeletonlike appearance, her psychopathic gaze, her deranged opinions, and leave the poor beleaguered transgendered folks out of it!

[bunkerbuster1]

66. Great OP, and I take one mild issue with what you've written.

I won't joke about her "gaunt, skeletonlike appearance." Some people find it very difficult to keep weight on; it's likely that she's one of those folks.

She's merely an evil, hateful, nasty-ass skank. That's plenty.

[UdoKier]

69. I think in her case it's more likely vanity, drugs and meanness

that keep her so skinny. I just know it.

[bunkerbuster1]

70. Good enough theory. Joke away.

I'm just not joking about it myself, although it is kinda funny to imagine she's a cokehead.

[rman]

26. You call that "proof"?

The "proof" is that she "can't have the courage, self-awareness, heart and soul" needed to undergo a sex change?
How do you know she can't have what it takes?

I think there can be other reasons besides "courage, self-awareness, heart and soul" to have oneself transgendered.
Like, money perhaps. Some people will whore themselves to anything in order to get some wealth and influence.

[sans qualia]

29. Stop.

I think there can be other reasons besides "courage, self-awareness, heart and soul" to have oneself transgendered.
Like, money perhaps. Some people will whore themselves to anything in order to get some wealth and influence.

:grr: :nuke: :grr:

This is so profoundly insulting that I'm at a loss for words. You have no idea what it means to be transgendered, you have no idea what it takes, and you have absolutely no right to even suggest that any transgendered person "had themselves transgendered" for money. The stubborn ignorance of people like you is why transgender people - not to mention LGB people and ethnic, racial and religious minorities - are persecuted and discriminated against.

You disgust me.

[rman]

31. it's not about transgender per se

It's about the level some people will stoop to in order to 'be important'.

"you have absolutely no right to even suggest that any transgendered person "had themselves transgendered" for money."

Of course i have the right to say that.

Did i say all transgendered people are whores?
I sure did not say that.

Or is it that you mean absolutely no transgendered person could possibly have themselves transgendered for money? How can you be so sure of that, do you know all transgendered persons?

Money, power, sex - the most powerful drugs in the world, plenty of people are corrupted by those.

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[rman]

36. "Transgender" is not a verb. - tell that to the OP

At no point did i say or suggest that "transgender people who profit from their status are just "whoring themselves out"".

I very clearly said "some people will do anything for money.

This is getting quite tiresome with you putting words into my mouth, so i end this exchange here.

[sans qualia]

38. Oh please

Look at your last post - "Did i say all transgendered people are whores? I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm sorry you're too stubborn to learn from your mistakes, but that's your fault.

Oh, and not that it really matters, but the OP never used transgender as a verb.

[rman]

43. "No, she is not transgendered."

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[11 Bravo]

73. The predicate in that sentence is "is", a form of the verb"to be".

Transgendered is an adjective in the sentence you cite. I'm just sayin' ...

[readmoreoften]

30. Huh? Just a heads up...

(1) One doesn't 'have oneself transgendered.' A person who cannot comfortably live within the physical and social norms prescribed for their sex is transgendered. A transgendered person may or may not have a sex change.

(2) No one has a sex change for money. They are ALREADY transgendered, and either forced into prostitution because they cannot support themselves as transwomen and/or they cannot pay for their surgeries and/or they like prostitution. There are gay gigolos, straight gigolos, and biologically female hookers.

If you think sex change operations are done to make big $$$, then are in-sane.

(3) Ann Coulter is not a transsexual. But why would a republican become a woman to gain money and power? It would be easier to just stay a republican man. That doesn't even make any sense.

[rman]

32. Of course it starts with a person being trans-sexual,

where the sex-change is mostly a physical thing.

Obviously i did not say sex change operations in general are done to make money. Just that it can be a factor in some (probably exceptional) cases.

How do you know Coulter is not transsexual?

[tishaLA]

35. Perhaps you can turn it around

and ask how you know she IS a transsexual and why "tranny jokes" about her are funny.

[rman]

41. i don't care about jokes,

But i do think her face has male characteristics, not in the least her adam's apple. Also there are pictures out there showing her hanging out with gays (which in itself is a non-issue - besides the fact that on occasions she rails against gays), where she has a distinct 'morning shade' on her chin and cheeks.
Besides her odd connection to the gay community there's also the odd fact that she, as a self-made woman (no pun intended), is railing against feminism/emancipation.

[tishaLA]

50. But you're making a false assumption

which is this: that gender identity has anything to do with sexual orientation and that there is a relationship between transsexualism and gay or lesbian identity. It does not. Transsexuals are some of the most outspoken critics of the gay and lesbian community because it seldom has anything to do with transsexuals, who are fighting a different fight altogether. I think you are thinking more of cross-dressers, who are certainly plentiful at Halloween parades in the Castro, WeHo, and the Village; those are drag queens, not transsexuals. And some gay men treat them with amusement, others with derision, and others with indifference. Do they have anything to do with real transsexuals? Only inasmuch as minstrels have something to do with blackness.

[sans qualia]

37. "How do you know Coulter is not transsexual?"

Who the hell cares? Why on earth would it matter if she was? Ann Coulter is a vile and hateful human being. Attack her for that, not for her imagined transsexualism.

[rman]

39. Who cares? It's what this thread is about.

My response was wrt to the so-called "proof" that Coulter "can't be transsexual/transgendered" because supposedly she lacks the "courage, self-awareness, heart and soul" to have a sex-change operation.

[sans qualia]

40. This thread is not about whether or not Ann Coulter is a transsexual

It's about the fact that it's wrong to use the label "trans" to smear her or anyone.

[rman]

42. right, hence the OP title: "How I know Ann Coulter is not a man"

and
"No, she is not transgendered. She couldn't be! That involves more courage, self-awareness, heart and soul then Coulter will ever know."

Which is presented as definitive "proof".

[Name removed]

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[rman]

48. 'night to you, i enjoyed your condensending attitude

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[readmoreoften]

46. Did this person say he had definitive proof?

No, he said how he knows. The post was only meant to be kind to the long-suffering trans members of DU and a conscious call to stop refering to Coulter as a transsexual for the purposes of insulting her. It's not supposed to be a fricking scientific treastise.

[rman]

47. "final convincing proof" - close enough?

"They are carefull to phrase the things they say so that it is litteraly true, just misleading" - Paul Krugman

[Bluebear]

51. Now that you are parsing my words

My post was an attempt at conveying a personal journey of introspection and compassion and solidarity.

The 'final convincing proof' was to myself. Evidently you like in a very black and white world and my post irritated you to the point of spending a lot of time analyzing the words and completely ignoring the intent.

I may have been clumsy at explaining what I was trying to say and sorry you missed the point.

[readmoreoften]

52. your words were very clear, blue...

don't worry, we understood ;)

[Name removed]

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[martymar64]

27. I'd be surprised if she ever gets laid

She may have some measure of looks, Adams apple aside, but what comes out of her mouth is so evil and vile that no self-respecting man would let his pecker get within ten feet of her. Her only hope is to go after doughy Republicans, but we know that they like kiddies instead, so no dice.

I'm not saying that all Republicans are child molesters, but it seems that all child molesters are Republicans.

[maddiejoan]

53. Adam's Apples--

-- are nothing more than the outer cartilage of the larynx. Women have them too, they are often smaller (but not always) then the typical male's.

They are less visable in women because of subcutaneous fat in the neck. Obviously Coulter's is readily visable because she's an anorexic.

Having said that -- Coulter might be trans, she might be intersexed, she might have a hormonal condition, she might have a chromosomal difference. There are many many reasons that could account for her "appearance". I often tell people there are as many genders on this planet as there are people. The concept of gender being comprised of two polar opposites is a convenient myth that is in serious need of busting. Gender is a spectrum.

My suspicion is Ann Coulter was born with androgen insensitivity (like Jamie Lee Curtis or Sandra Bullock).

Be that as it may --using the transgender label as a method of ridicule or derision is flatout inexcusable.

[trumad]

54. No fuck that!

Ann's a Man!

[Totally Committed]

60. I believe that she is a man as well...

I believe she is transgendered (though, could be pre-op), but a full-fledged self-loather. She hates herself, and the hate is so virulent, it spills over and explodes out of her in the form of her hate-filled thoughts and words. It happens all the time! --

Christopher Hitchens used to be a Liberal of a sort (way back when), but he is a righteous Regressive Neo-Con now out of the same self-loathing that drives Coulter. The hate he expresses so freely for Progressives is simply a reflection of his hatred for what he sees as his own former "weakness". I believe any drinking and substance abuse problems he appears to have is just his trying to medicate away that hate... make him forget how "weak" he used to be.

No one was tougher and more vocally against and full of hate for drug users than Rush Limbaugh. We now know he is an addict himself. That hate came from his own self-loathing for what he secretly knew about himself. He used to scream about throwing people just like himself in jail and throwing away the key!

Just as people who abuse their children or pets hate themselves for the choices they have made in their lives, it is very plausible that Ann Coulter hates the fact that she was a woman born in a man's body. And, that makes it plausible, to me, that she is indeed, a now a woman who was once a man.

It is just an opinion. I hate what she stands for and what she expresses. I would hate it no matter what her sex. And the people who think it is an insult to think or say she may be trans-gendered are showing a bias of their own. There is no shame in being trans-gendered. The shame is when you are so full of hate and venom that you say and write the things she says and writes about her fellow human beings. THAT is the true horror of Ann Coulter. Inside the person that she is (no matter WHAT sex she was born or has become) is a hate so discgusting and so vile that she is repugnant, period. That hate comes from somewhere... it doesn't just "happen". When she stops hating herself, for whatever reason, she will stop hating others.

TC

[d_b]

79. I'm with you, Captain.

[Stop_the_War]

55. I know she's not a man physically, but politically n mentally she's a man.

She has made anti-woman statements.

[ultraist]

81. Oh, but straight women can be very sexist

Many straight women adopt the patriarchial worldview. Look at all of those women that voted for Bush. They believe that big daddy BS. I don't want to get into bashing women, but you should meet some of my neighbors! LMAO! Stepford wives...

[JunkYardDogg]

58. Her Dick is on top of her shoulders

That's how you know it's not a man
Just a pile of Blond shit

[fromBrooklyn]

59. Wow, you mean -

You really thought she was once a man? No offense but I think that was just meant as hateful slander. I know I used it as such (and yes, it was shallow and, really, reactionary of me. But I did it anyway.)

[joefree1]

61. Gannon-gate proves what self denial can destroy

I think Ann is hiding something, like a human heart she had surgically removed long ago.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

62. Great point

I never saw how her being a transvestite was a bad thing. It would have made her more interesting.

However, I refuse to dispense with my hypothesis that there is a strain of rich white people who at some point mated with their horses, and she is one of them.

[rbnyc]

63. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

Calling Coulter a man wasn't an insult to her, it was an insult to transgendered people.

That's exactly right. I've pointed this out in many threads. I'm so glad you started a thread about this. You really made my day.

[Totally Committed]

65. Exactly!

The "GENDER" she became is not the problem, the "PERSON" she became IS.

TC

[Pettson]

68. Yes I agree

we must not make fun of those with other choises than ours.

[chickenscratching]

67. brilliant

ann deserves to be in a race of her own, what that race is, I don't know, but i hope it doesn't mix into ours.

[SmartBomb]

71. She may not be a man, but she's still a DICK!

I like your sentiment though.

[bloom]

72. Shw does seem like an alien

and she certainly wants to alienate people (us, at least).


It's scary to see the ones that like her because she is hateful. Like this from FreeRepublic:

To: MisterRepublican
Ann was looking especially good this morning. And she was on fire with the libs calling in. And I was impressed that she reads FR. Ann, if your lurking, MARRY ME!!!

Sweetest Ann,
If you've been following the forum at all, you know that my fondest desire in life is to create a vast system of Concentration Camps for liberals, in which the death-houses are working day and night, day and night -- and in which the liberals are rendered into beef jerky, to be sold, of course, to Republicans and Conservatives.

Certainly you know that this makes us soul-mates.
With great affection,

Laz
25 posted on 02/18/2005 7:42:17 AM PST by Lazamataz

-------------------------------------------------

Knowing that she is funded by Scaife and Horowitz and Olin - (someone linked Gannon with this group as well) - puts her in perspective for me. She is speaking for "them".

[CitySky]

74. that is one scary quote

:puke:

Dang, WE just want THEM to stop taking over the world for their stupid greed and war games so that we can do a better job taking care of each other and let more people live happy, free, fulfilled lives.

THEY want to put us in concentration camps and then eat our flesh for jerky snacks??? We are in more trouble than I thought!

[bloom]

76. I can just see someone laughing

but that doesn't make it funny.


Just like Ann Coulter's whole thing - hitting liberals with baseball bats and all that. It's very dehumanizing.

And it's like if they can show liberals being outraged about all this sort of nonsense that people won't notice so much our outrage over their stupid greed and war games and all the rest.

[leftofthedial]

75. some "different" people

happen to also be sick neotheocon f*cks.

You give them too much credit for sensitivity. In fact many of "them" become the worst fasicsts of them all.

[bunkerbuster1]

77. Rudepundit's "Why Ann Coulter is a Cunt, part 385" makes

excellent points, without being insulting to the GLBT community, here

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2005/02/why-ann-coulter-is-cunt-part-385-with.html

And I quote:


Coulter says that "liberals expressed shock and dismay that Gannon's real name is 'James Guckert.'" And, since Coulter never met a hyperbole that she wouldn't hump like it was Joe McCarthy's Commie-slammin' microphone and never met a fact that she couldn't manipulate, she compares Gannon getting into the White House under a fake name with this: "How did Gary Hartpence, Billy Blythe and John Kohn (Gary Hart, Bill Clinton and John Kerry) run for president under invented names?" Christ, this is so tedious, like trying to give an unlubricated Coulter head for hours without stabbing yourself on her hip bones.

In a just world, Rudepundit would have at least one Pulitzer by now.

[Walt Starr]

78. After my thread about her yesterday, I now refer to her as Annthraxxx

Works for me, and is an excellent way to insult her.

[seabeyond]

80. good for you bluebear

i mean it from my heart good for you. so many seem to falling into this trap, all over the place. and as a society it is just feeding itself and growing.

what an excellent post

and another good for you

[ultraist]

82. cheers Bluebear!

:toast: A toast to your excellent post!

[Terran]

83. "STOP BEING SO POLITICALLY CORRECT!!"

Sorry for the shouting--I was just trying to simulate what the Fr**pers would say to you about this. To me, this is what 'political correctness' is and always was about: having empathy for other people's points of view and feelings. Thanks for being a true progressive. I've never been comfortable with the Ann-the-man stuff, and I'm glad someone finally articulated it.

Dirk

[Mr_Spock]

85. Ann is mentally ill though - sorry mentally ill people

good 'ol Annthrax Coulterguist (no offense to germs or poltergeist)

Damn, I can't stop making bad jokes - I'm heartless.

[Tigress DEM]

86. Are you calling Alien's ugly? Just kidding.

<snip>
Coulter remains ugly and alien to me.