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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:05 PM
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Truly Ugly Theory regarding Guckert "The Cannon" Gannon
I've a sick and sordid theory concerning Guckert "The Cannon" Gannon's employment by Karl Rove:

Perhaps Guckert’s job is to compromise journalists by rent-boy?

That way, those journos he's serviced could have been photographed, compromised and dis-inclined to report the Truth about Bush Inc.

Perhaps, also, a number more journalists similarly are "good friends" of Guckert.

Perphaps, a LOT of stories about Bush would never be aired, printed or see the the light of day.

So very few stories (Hi, Helen!) ever see the light of day because these most of the presstitutes are similary compromised -- by Rent Boy, Call Girl, a Donkey named Barry.

That may be the ultimate goal of Rove's mole in the press corpse.

Why not? Something's keeping the press of Bush's pimply crazy monkey ass.

It also explains why the press has been so slow to actually report this story.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:07 PM
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1. The "Press Corpse" is dysfunctional, with or without Gannon.
I think they would act the same way if Jesus Christ were in their midst, JMHO.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:14 PM
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5. You make an excellent point.
But the fact is, Rove and Kompany allowed the guy to set up shop and feed softballs to the Little Turd from Crawford. There's gotta be a reason they picked THIS guy out of all the thousands of Republican ass-kisser reporters across America. Why Guckert?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 01:47 AM
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27. Why Guckert? Because Rove always picks operatives with a flawed past.
Maybe Guckert thought he would outsmart Rove. He's already talking about writing a book.

I think it's a quid-pro-quo type of situation. We know who the "pro" is. Now we've got to figure out, "Who is quid?" :D
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:59 AM
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29. Quid better come out soon, or else it's 'Exeunt Omnes.'
Remember what happened to James Hatfield. The author of "Fortunate Son," Rove led the fellow to the Bush-Cocaine story. After his book was published, Rove led the rest of the press to Hatfield's prison record. So the press dropped the coke-whore W story and focused on Hatfield the convicted murder-for-hire story.

Hope that this history doesn't repeat. Here's the last thing Hatfield wrote before he "suicided,' written almost TWO MONTHS before 9-11:

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

Gee. It doesn't take a Guckert to figure out what Hatfield would've said on 9-11.
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SupormomFreeAtLast Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:17 PM
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That's telling it straight!
The press corpse is loyal to its corporate masters.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:08 PM
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2. But, he can't be doing them all...
Can he? Some of them should still have a grain of integrity left, right?

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:19 PM
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8. A few do. Helen Thomas.
IIRC:

Molly Ivins. Oops. She lost her credentials.

Mary McGrory. Oops. She lost her credentials then died in the hospital.

Bob Herbert. Oops. Put him on Tuesday's page C-7.

Paul Krugman. Ooops. "His kind is not allowed in here."

Robert Scheerer. Ooops. His company keeps him in L.A.

There's got to be a few more.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:10 PM
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3. Management
specifically, the boys in the boardroom and the corporate head office are trying to keep this out of the news, like they so successfully kept election fraud out of the news.

You see, anything that threatens Fuckwit's total control might start to threaten their march towards monopoly. Congress might see weakness in the junta and start doing things like investigating bribery and enforcing the antitrust laws.

Can't have that, can we?

Even more puzzling is the silence of the televangelists. Now THERE is a crowd I'd suspect of being blackmailed by Guckert and his stable of barely legal studs.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:31 PM
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9. Agree with all your points 100 percent.
And that is why the presence of this Guckert fellow, of all the right-wing whack hacks in the world, had to walk into Karl Rove's life.

I find it hard to believe that Gannon would, himself, compromise all or even a significant number of journalists. The thing is he was selected for his assignment. Just fixing things with a reporter or two may be enough to keep Bush out of the slimelight.

Each member of the White House Press Corpse have their own individual perversion. Remember Dulles called their employers a "Mighty Wurlitzer."

That's got a nice ring to it: A Mighty Whorelitzer.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:45 AM
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22. The thing is
everybody in Bush's administration has some type of ties to Texas. Even Guckert lived there for a while.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:59 AM
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24. Small world.
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 01:00 AM by Octafish
And Texas is quite a far distance from most of it.

Odd that so many interesting people -- and so much treason -- has come to haunt our nation from Texas.

There's also a lot of good from there -- my wife and her family, for starters. Many people I knew from there before I met here are tops, as are most of the great state's residents.

It's just the Bushes and the other stuff.*


Bush Family Machinations 1918-2000

EXCERPT...

1973

Bush is named GOP national chair. Brings into the party the Heritage Groups Council, an organization with a number of Nazi sympathizers.

Bush, according to Lowell Weicker, inquires as to whether records of the "townhouse operation" should be burned.
Robert Mosbacher wins an offshore drilling concession from Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

Watergate tapes indicate concern by Nixon and aide HR Haldeman that the investigation into Watergate might expose the "Bay of Pigs thing." Nixon also speaks of the "Texans" and the "Cubans." and mentions "Mosbacher."

In another tape, Nixon decides following his re-election to get signed resignations from his whole government so he can centralize his power. Says Nixon to John Erlichman: "Eliminate everyone, except George Bush. Bush will do anything for our cause."

CONTINUED Timeline o' Treason ...

http://bushwatch.org/family.htm

* Haldeman wrote that "The Bay of Pigs Thing" was Nixon's code for the JFK Assassination.

EDIOT: "good"
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:10 PM
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4. Renta Gate??? Damn, what next? The gay Press Corp?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:38 PM
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10. Gay reporter's OK by me, if he or she tells the Truth.
If pictures exist that can ruin a national reputation --
one earning a six- or seven-figure salary, say --
it would be in someone's interest to do, or not do,
certain things to protect the livelihood.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 10:56 AM
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33. aloha and yes
There was actually a print article some time ago about the "gaying" of Washington journalism. Damned if I can remember where it was printed. I don't know how many members of the WH Correspondents Association could be blackmailable.

Come. We go back to bed with pineapple waffles, Sunday newspapers, and house pets.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:17 PM
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6. i had never thought of that angle,
but man this just feels so right. and i have been following this story all along. this theory feels right on. intersting. hm.....wouldnt that bust open the whole thing. media would protect this with dear life
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:50 PM
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13. Editor and Predator say 'Both Houses of Congress
Note how the word "sex," "gay" or "escort" are not in the story.

Remember what Dr. Watson asked: "Why didn't the dog bark?"

"But Holmes," Dr. Watson replied, "none of the neighbors said anything about hearing a dog barking."

"Precisely," the detective answered. "And don't you find that peculiar?"


Here's the official story, up to now:

Both Houses of Congress Get Involved in 'Gannon' Case


By Joe Strupp

Published: February 23, 2005 4:55 PM ET

NEW YORK Two leaders of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee want the federal prosecutor investigating the Valeria Plame case to subpoena a personal journal of controversial White House reporter James Guckert, following Editor & Publisher's disclosure yesterday that Guckert claims he kept the journal for the past two years.

"It is clear that a primary obstacle to the ... investigation is uncovering a precise chronology of when, and to whom, classified information was leaked," Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), one of those seeking the subpoena, told E&P. "The revelation by Editor & Publisher that Mr. Guckert kept contemporaneous records of his 'reporting' activities could well be a major step forward in developing such a chronology."

In addition, E&P has confirmed an report on The Raw Story that Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) is circulating a letter among his colleagues that asks President Bush to launch an investigation into how Guckert, who writes under the byline “Jeff Gannon,” gained access to White House press briefings over two years despite having no journalism background and using a false name.

Both letters are just the latest in a string of inquiries by congressional leaders, which have included a previous request by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) for documents related to Guckert's continued White House access.

In the latest effort, Conyers and Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) sent a joint letter today to Patrick Fitzgerald, the prosecutor investigating who leaked the identity of Plame, a CIA agent, to several reporters. Guckert, who worked for GOPUSA.com and Talon News before resigning two weeks ago, interviewed Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, last year.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000816326
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:18 PM
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7. It's a Pandora's Box
And the press, if it opens it, the press will be exposed and all the world will know they are in it up to their armpits.

No telling how many gays are in the media. No, actually, I'll bet you Rove could tell exactly how many gays are in the M$M.

Something stinks, and it isn't just the fact the guy is a fake reporter, it has to do with the kind of prostitute he is.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:41 PM
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11. I'm just waiting for Bush to pin a medal on Guckert
Speaking of... hmm... I just had an idea...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:50 PM
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14. Spill it!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:03 AM
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15. Just for fun, I nominated Guckert for an Ignoble Prize in Journalism
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 12:08 AM by IanDB1
What are the Ig Nobel Prizes?
http://www.improbable.com/ig/ig-top.html

WHAT: Every Ig Nobel Prize winner has done something that first makes people LAUGH, then makes them THINK.

WHO: Here is a list of all the winners.
http://www.improbable.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html



How to nominate a possible winner
http://www.improbable.com/ig/nominate.html


ECONOMICS
The Vatican, for outsourcing prayers to India.
http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13498514



LITERATURE
John Trinkaus, of the Zicklin School of Business, New York City, for meticulously collecting data and publishing more than 80 detailed academic reports about things that annoyed him



ECONOMICS
The executives, corporate directors, and auditors of Enron, Lernaut & Hauspie , Adelphia, Bank of Commerce and Credit International , Cendant, CMS Energy, Duke Energy, Dynegy, Gazprom , Global Crossing, HIH Insurance , Informix, Kmart, Maxwell Communications , McKessonHBOC, Merrill Lynch, Merck, Peregrine Systems, Qwest Communications, Reliant Resources, Rent-Way, Rite Aid, Sunbeam, Tyco, Waste Management, WorldCom, Xerox, and Arthur Andersen, for adapting the mathematical concept of imaginary numbers for use in the business world.


MEDICINE
Steven Stack of Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan, USA and James Gundlach of Auburn University, Auburn, Alabama, USA, for their published report "The Effect of Country Music on Suicide."
PUBLISHED IN: Social Forces, vol. 71, no. 1, September 1992, pp. 211-8.
WHO ATTENDED THE IG NOBEL CEREMONY: James Gundlach.


Nominate Someone Who Deserves It
How to Nominate Someone

Want to nominate a deserving person (or team) to win one of this year's Ig Nobel Prizes? Please send the pertinent info to AIR editor (and Ig master of ceremonies) Marc Abrahams, by email at <marca@chem2.harvard.edu>, or by traditional mail at:

IG NOBEL NOMINATIONS
c/o Annals of Improbable Research
PO Box 380853
Cambridge MA 02238
USA
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 01:25 AM
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25. What are the odds of him winning?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:43 AM
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28. Well, I got an email back that seemed vaguely encouraging
"Thanks. The man seems determined to win all sorts of things.

Marc"

So, we'll see.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:48 PM
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12. Very logical, Octafish-not far out at all imo.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:22 AM
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17. Poppy Preyed on Journos
Brother Bob, Tarpley must've planted the subcortal lattice on my emgram way long ago. Either that or he explains why I'm after the NAZI turd Poppy so much. Because he headed Amerika's secret police, his son now serves as pretzeldunce and America and the world stand on the edge of the abyss.


Chapter -XV- CIA DIRECTOR

In late 1975, as a result in particular of his role in Watergate, Bush's confirmation as CIA Director was not automatic. And though the debate at his confirmation was superificial, some senators, including in particular the late Frank Church of Idaho, made some observations about the dangers inherent in the Bush nomination that have turned out in retrospect to be useful.

The political scene on the homefront from which Bush had been so anxious to be absent during 1975 was the so-called "Year of Intelligence," in that it had been a year of intense scrutiny of the illegal activities and abuses of the intelligence community, including CIA domestic and covert operations. On December 22, 1974 the New York Times published the first of a series of articles by Seymour M. Hersh which relied on leaked reports of CIA activities assembled by Director James Rodney Schlesinger to expose alleged misdeeds by the agency.

It was widely recognized at the time that the Hersh articles were a self-exposure by the CIA that was designed to set the agenda for the Ford-appointed Rockefeller Commission, which was set up a few days later, on January 4, 1975. The Rockefeller Commission members included John T. Connor, C. Douglas Dillon, Erwin N. Griswold, Lane Kirkland, Lyman Lemnitzer, Ronald Reagan, and Edgar F. Shannon, Jr. The Rockefeller Commission was supposed to examine the malfeasance of the intelligence agencies and make recommendations about how they could be reorganized and reformed. In reality, the Rockefeller Commission proposals would reflect the transition from the structures of the cold war towards the growing totalitarian tendencies of the 1980's

SNIP...

During Bush's tenure Shackley's circles were mightliy remoralized. In particular Ed Wilson, a veteran of Shackley's Miami station, now a retired CIA officer who worked closely with serving CIA personnel to organize gun running, sex operatives, and other activities, plied his trade undisturbed. The Wilson scandal, which had grown up on Bush's watch, would begin to explode only during the tenure of Stansfield Turner, under Carter.

Another career covert operations man, John Waller, became the Inspector General, the officer who was supposed to keep track of illegal operations. For legal advice, Bush turned first to holdover General Counsel Mitchell Rogovin, who had in December 1975 theorized that intelligence activities belonged to the "inherent powers" of the Presidency, and that no special Congressional egislation was required to permit such things as covert operations to go on. Later Bush appointed Anthony Lapham, Yale '58, as CIA General Counsel. Lapham was the scion of an old San Francisco banking family, and his brother was Lewis Lapham, the editor of Harper's Magazine. Lapham would take a leading role in the CIA coverup of the Letelier assassination case.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tarpley.net/bush15.htm
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:37 AM
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20. Former CIA Director Richard McGarrah Helms came to public notice
as a young UPI reporter that had an exclusive interview with Hitler in 1936-and his maternal grandfather, Gates McGarrah, was the first President of the Bank for International Settlements/BIS in 1930.
BIS was the realized vision of Hjalmar Schacht, who became Nazi Minister of Economics.
But I know you know that, bro.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:53 AM
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23. It's always good to see it.
And it is one of those things worth keeping in the front of the mind's eye.

You don't need to read this remembrance of treasons past, but it's good for BFEE GOOGLEplex:

The Bay of Pigs Thing

1 Church Committee, Assassinatl(lll Florv Reporr, 179 (Johnson); Washingron Post, March 7, 1967, p. C13 (column). The IG Report refers to "Drew Pcarson's column of 7 March 1967" (p. 6); the column itself made it clear that it was written by Pearson's associate Jack Anderson. I shall refer to it hereafter as the Anderson column, as I consider the distinction to be important.

2 H.R. Hnldeman, Nixon's other top aide. w-rote that in 1969, immediately after he came or else (House Judiciary Committee, Impeachment Hearings, Appendix Three; see also Arthur M. Schlesinger, Robert Kennedy and His Times, 523-24). It remains unclear if Nixon's intent was to obtain the IG Report or the earlier in-house Kirkpatrick Report on the Bay of Pigs failure, which also existed in just one copy (Ranelagh, The Agency, 381; cf. 531), or both. The "full file." in theory, should have delivered both. (In the Watergate "smoking gun" tape of June 23, 1972, Nixon predicted that Hunt "will uncover a lot of things," including "the whole Bay of Pigs thing;" and Haldeman's book later surmised that "in all those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination" . Haldeman backed away from this speculation before his death, but it was a reasonable one: we now learn that E. Howard Hunt's name is almost cenainly included in the IG Report, at pp. 99 and 101 <14-letter redactions; cf. below at footnote 6; Warren Hinckle and William Turner, The Fish Is Red, 240>).

SOURCE:

http://www.copi.com/articles/pdssgf01.txt

Of course, Nixon said to "Fire everybody but Bush and the Texans," who were Mosbacher and Baker.

I know you know this and these, Compay, but, hey!


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 10:32 AM
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31. The Cannon wouldn't have to fire too many rounds...
... Perhaps he'd need inside access to only one or two reporters to infiltrate the press corpse. Once accepted, the guy would be Rove's favorite spigot for mis-information and Smirko's go-to guy when the questions get rough.

This story isn't about sex, per se. And it may be about using sex to compromise the news gathterers. The real story is that the White House manufacturers coverage -- That is un-American.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:10 AM
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16. These people seems to cover all angles.
Your theory could very well be correct. I just hate to give the MSM an excuse for not doing their damn jobs. They didn't do their jobs 4 years ago either. Wasn't that before Gannon? I suppose he could have "compromised" them prior to that time and THAT is how he finagled his way into the WH without THEM making a stink about it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:29 AM
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19. They can afford it.
The world's super rich -- from Switzerland to Saudi Arabia to Kabul and Wall Street -- all have invested heavily in the crazy monkey, Smirko McCokespoon. And they've gotten an excellent return on their investment.

They've benefitted from the latest world's largest transfer of wealth in history. The second- and third-largest being Pruneface's tax giveaways and Poppys S&L looting and "bail-out."

Regarding the timeframe: You got me there, in_cog_ni_to! When the idiot "took" office in 2001, Gannon was not a player on the world stage. The press seemed to roll over then, just like now. Maybe the "Other Guckerts" were already on the job. That and the corporate meisters were giving them the screws.

How Gannonguckert got into the press pool is more than knowing someone at the national GOP. He's got to have gotten clearance from the hightest levels of the White House. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten past the guard at the front gate.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:26 AM
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18. The CorpMedia is deformed by many factors. This decimated
the WH division. Those not in fear of exposure with respect to this particular pimp and whore might wonder about cameras or banking records in their own pasts. Four years is a lot of time for Rovian ops to have built a dossier on any any of them. Combine this fear of being "outed" in some manner with "Wealth and Fame" motivation, editorial caution, the ideological needs of the Corps with regards to its media, and the short term risk/benefit economic calculations, and it is pretty potent motivation for being dangerous to democracy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:40 AM
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21. For more than four decades I've witnessed...
These people are professionals. They've been made media howl and when it suited them shut it down. Here's a big story they've missed...


THE COVERUP CONTINUES
MAJOR MEDIA COMPLICIT IN THE CONTINUING COVERUP OF THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION


by voxfux

Forty years ago, John F. Kennedy was assassinated by the same ultra right wing elements in the United States who rule today. When these extremists assassinated Kennedy they seized a moment in history and radically transformed America into a wasteland of lost opportunities, forever killing the hopes that this country once had to be a decent nation. And America has never been able to recover from those stolen opportunities by the extremist right wing. America is now spiraling deeper and deeper into the abyss of fascism.

Complicit in this plot to rob America of it's rightful future was the CIA under Allen Dulles and the FBI under J. Edger Hoover.

Today the conspiracy to coverup the true facts surrounding the right wing's assassination of Kennedy continues with a massive coordinated effort by the CIA controlled major media to obliterate the facts surrounding the conspiracy to kill Kennedy and reinforce the widely dismissed and disbelieved lie that Oswald acted alone.

The 40th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination has become once again a field day for the right wing extremists who control the media to churn out lie after lie about how Oswald acted alone. With bogus 3D reenactments designed to fool the eye and boggle the mind.

It is a chilling reality today that there is such divide between what is really real and what the official media backed presentation of that reality is. Nearly the entire major media is nothing more than a huge brainwashing machine churning out disinformation carefully scripted by the puppet-masters of the New World Order. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX are all under the complete control of the New World Order industrialists. Nearly all "news" on these channels are lies.

CONTINUED...

http://www.voxfux.com/archives/00000096.htm



http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 01:27 AM
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26. I read everything re: JFK murder when it was published
and decided that it was enough to be sure that black ops were SOP for certain factions which operate among the powerful. Never decided the "whodunit" aspect one way or another, but the Garrison investigation seemed to identify the most probable players.

During that same period Covert Action Quarterly and Ramparts and many underground papers exposed a lot of how the media was used/controlled by the CIA to get their psy-ops "message" out. They (the once exiled Poppy=Iran-Contra loyalists) are now busy at work on the US population.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:10 AM
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30. Prof. John Newman (US Army Major, ret.)
You probably know all this, but it sure would be nice if more people knew:

Warren Commission SWORE to America THIS is Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City.



Gee. While it isn't him, he sure LOOKS like a hit man. CIA should know. That's the agency that SWORE to the WC it was Oswald. Why would they lie?

Mexico City-A New Analysis

John Newman
at the "November in Dallas" JFK Lancer Conference


EXCERPT...

"Lee Harvey Oswald went to Mexico City at the end of September, 1963, ostensibly to "defect", yet again, for the second time, to the Soviet Union. While he was there he sought visas. He sought a visa to the Soviet Union, and a transit visa across Cuba. This was very strange because when he had applied for his passport, it was stamped, okay for travel to the Soviet Union, and Finland, and Germany, all of the countries he had gone through his first time. It was illegal for travel to Cuba. So, why he would go an illegal route when he had an opportunity to go the same way he went before is a mystery. It's really a non-starter, anyway, I don't want to get into that part of the story. What I do want to focus on is his visits to those consulates and the phone calls that he allegedly made. Now, I don't have time to tell the entire story here. In fact, I wrote a little article in PROBE, I don't know how many of you have seen it. It sort of lays it out a little bit. And I am going to do something more lengthy for JFK Lancer it'll be out towards the end of the year on this. But, I went through a great deal of trouble when I wrote Oswald and the CIA to really get into those tapes on a content basis. And I don't have the time to do that here but it was my judgment when I read them and analyzed them when I wrote that book back in 1995, that based on the content of those tapes alone, that it wasn't him. Because the words that were spoken by the person who identified himself as Oswald were incongruous with the experiences that we know he had down there from all of the testimony and all of the witnesses that were there, the Cubans, the Russians, the Mexicans, and so on.

"Right now I am going to be single minded and stay just on the tapes. There are also transcripts. Of course, when you intercept a phone call, when the CIA intercepted those phone calls they made transcripts, from the tapes. But it's the tapes that I'm focused on now. Because when you read a transcript you can't tell whose voice it is. When you have a tape you can take that tape to the Dallas Police building, while he (Oswald) is still alive and you can play them in one room, and have him talk in another room, you can even have him repeat lines. And you can make some judgments.

SNIP...

"And if it's not him, we have a real problem. We, the United States, have a real problem, based on what happened in those phone calls. So, I am going to stay riveted for the next 30-40 minutes on the tapes themselves. One more thing before I start, the CIA did routinely erase tapes. They have a very large intercept operation down there in Mexico City, but the period before an erasure occurred was two weeks, two weeks. So for the phone calls for the 28th of September, and say the first of October we would be talking middle of October before any of those tapes would have been erased. So, I will just make that parenthetical observation.

"The very first document that we find in the record actually comes from, and you can find this by the way in the back of Hosty's book if you like. It's actually a summary report, the ARRB released this, this is a brand new document, relatively new, last couple of years, it is called, "Summary Report" it was written on the 13th of December, 1963, internal CIA report, it was called "We find Oswald in Mexico City." It's about 22 pages, a pretty interesting document.

CONTINUED...

http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/newman/newman_1.html
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 10:48 AM
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32. you aren't the first to posit this
....so rest assured that it's an "ugly theory" that occurred to more than a few people.

It's win-win for Rove. He gets a shill to ask the softball questions, he gets a "minder" for WH press room (Gannon reported on journos in scathing, bitter terms). Perhaps Gannon is able to compromise some of the journos either directly or by referral. And Gannon is in the WH each day and could service anyone working or visiting there. Rove knows the WH correspondents are too lazy and cowed to go after the real story.
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:18 PM
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34. the sad thing is that all of this would be impossible in a society
free of homophobia. The Administration has a vested interest, then, in promoting homophobia and the stupid Amendment they want. Particularly ironic is the fact that Bush himself doesn't seem to have been so virulently homophobic, if you take the recently revealed tapes at face value. He seems to have been convinced of homophobia's expediency, however.
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