Is it possible that the BTK Killer is the president of this church??

[Riding this Donkey]

http://christ-lutheran.org/people/

the church is in wichita falls and the site is temporarily unavailable..............


When you run a google search this is in the description:

People at CLC - Christ Lutheran Church - Wichita, Kansas.
Our Congregation council officers look to the future... President: Dennis Rader
Vice President: Paul Shaw Secretary: Walter Dietz Treasurer: Alan Wondra. ...
christ-lutheran.org/people/ - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

here is the cached page

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:U_O4Mr62dPwJ:christ-lutheran.org/people/+%22dennis+rader%22+%2B+kansas&hl=en


Just asking??

Edit to add description & cache page

[Padraig18]

1. It could be this person, because this pic sure looks like he's in uniform

http://www.parkcityks.com/Directory.asp?DID=69

Pic:

[IndianaGreen]

27. Rader was a parks officer

MSNBC showed a video of him bein interviewed on an unrelated matter, and he was in uniform.

[Padraig18]

28. Yep.

That's the first link in my post.

:hi:

[applegrove]

43. Welcome New Person!

:hi:

[Padraig18]

45. Me?

:hi:

[Riding this Donkey]

46. I'm sorta new 300+ posts, did you mean me??

:hi:

[Padraig18]

48. I bet it was meant for you.

:)

[medeak]

30. John Hinckley was a jesus freak

in Hawaii before shooting Reagon.

overcompensating for evil?

[ScreamingMeemie]

41. This is the picture they are running on Comcast news.

:hi:

[daydreamer]

2. face of evil

http://northeastkansas.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D88GB23G0

[murielm99]

5. The face of evil is rather ordinary and inoffensive looking.

It is a Walter Mitty, at least in this case.

[daydreamer]

49. exactly, remember scott peterson was even quite good-looking

Evil is within a person. You can never judge a person by how she/he looks.

[ultraist]

9. Textbook case of a serial murderer

profile: white male, average joe

He looks like a regular suburb dweller.

How creepy.

[barbaraann]

3. From anywho.com

http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/cwf?adID=10002101&action=browseproduct&searchtab=people&pid=3064&searchPerson=416324500&searchFName=DENNIS&searchMName=L&searchLName=RADER&searchCity=WICHITA&searchState=KS&searchApproxAge=60&searchStateJurisdiction=KS&searchGender=&searchZip=&vid=cfc&searchAgentNotes=PREVIEW-CFC

[WeGotBTK]

4. of course. why wouldn't it be possible????

[Riding this Donkey]

6. Well, I was just trying get some discussion and maybe someone

could help to find out, cause you know we won't hear it on the "MSM"

[Ediacara]

7. How many Dennis Raders could there be in KC?

[Padraig18]

8. He didn't live in KC

He lived in Wichita/Park City KS.

[Riding this Donkey]

10. Is Wichita Falls far away from Park City and Wichita??? eom

[Ediacara]

16. It's not in Wichita Falls

It's in Wichita. Wichita Falls is in Texas, oddly enough....

[Ediacara]

11. Ack, sorry

Yes, clearly :-) But the question remains, how many Dennis Raders could there be?

[barbaraann]

12. According to a Wichta newspaper BTK forum, he is.

BTK Strangler case - D***** R***** Biography notify me whenever anyone posts in this discussionSubscribe

From: rsquared2 12:35 pm
To: ALL (1 of 1)
6354.1

Grew up in Wichita
Moved to Park City in 1974.
Graduated from Wichita Heights High School
Married with children
59 years old
Park City Compliance officer
Boy scout leader
Worked at ADT security. Installed security systems for ADT, which were required because of fear of BTK
Spent 4 years in Air Force, time in Korea
graduated in Administrative Justice at Wichita State in 1979
President of Christ Lutheran Church

http://forums.prospero.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-kansas_news&msg=6354.1&ctx=1

[Padraig18]

13. See my post #1--- a direct hit!

:thumbsup:

[barbaraann]

20. I tried to access your link but it was apparently too busy.

Thanks and I will try to access it later. :hi:

[Padraig18]

21. You're welcome.

:)

[ultraist]

17. Pres of Christ Lutheran church? very creepy

http://christ-lutheran.org/

It appears their website is down

[FourStarDemocrat]

34. Very chilling!

Especially the part about Boy Scout leader. I have two kids in the scouts. In fact he even looks like my older son's Troop leader (thousands of miles away), --very typical, very average. And an ADT home security installer. My oh my..

I googled his name and also came up with info that he was on some local Sedgewick County, Kansas boards in the mid '90's.

[FourStarDemocrat]

35. Very chilling!

edit: remove double post

[Ediacara]

14. That church isn't in Wichita Falls, it's in Wichita

At least according to the remainder of their website. Wichita Falls, btw, is a city in Texas and not in Kansas.

[Riding this Donkey]

18. Well I had the right guy anyways right.....

A evangelical too... and their site is down!!
I was misreading it....

Thanks for pointing that out to me!!!!1

:toast:

[Padraig18]

23. I nailed him, too!

^5!

:hi:

[medeak]

31. Good work! n/t

[medeak]

32. Sister got dna sample to give to police?

anyone hear that one?

[Riding this Donkey]

40. Yeah I heard that too......I think that is courageous! eom

[Warpy]

15. I have to admit

I was kinda hoping it was Phelps.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

22. Creepy how he installed security systems in people's home.

Makes me shiver just thinking about that.

Grad. in Admin. Justice. Actually, it figures.

May his victims rest in peace and justice be administered and prevail on their behalf.

[Danmel]

19. Boy Scout Leader and President of his Church in Kansas!

Sounds like the ideal American in BushWorld, doesn't it? A real American. A HEARTLAND American.

Kind of gives me the creeps.

[IndianaGreen]

24. I'll bet that Dennis Rader also was involved in GOP politics

The Mission of Christ Lutheran Church is to enhance faith and commitment to Jesus Christ by offering...

The BTK Killer!

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

25. I actually went and checked fundrace.org to see if he was

listed as a contributor. Nothing listed. Thought the same thing!

[barbaraann]

26. Ted Bundy was a GOP activist.

Just in case anyone here wasn't aware of that.

[ultraist]

29. Boy Scout leader and Pres of a Lutheran Church in a Red state

Chances are he is at the least, a Repuke. I tried to look up his voter registration but could not find this feature on the Sedgewick Co Board of Elections site. (Most BOE sites have this feature).

This profile, written prior to his arrests nails the fact that he had past military experience. It notes that he likely served and justifies military type torturing. It also is noted that he is a white male, midwesterner.

http://www.she-dc.com/pages/BTK.htm

[FourStarDemocrat]

37. also nails it that he has likely worked with kids

as in being a Scout leader.

[Riding this Donkey]

33. It appears he was in politics tho.....

I couldn't search thru the whole pdf, but here are the google links...


Commission Meeting Minutes
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... GUESTS Mr. Dennis Rader, Sedgwick County Board of Zoning Appeals Mr. James L ... State
University Ms. Debbie Gerstner, 6911 Aberdeen, Wichita, Kansas Mr. Robert ...
www.sedgwickcounty.org/countyclerk/ 1996/regular/reg04-10.pdf - Similar pages


http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/countyclerk/1996/regular/reg04-10.pdf



Commission Meeting Minutes
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... Kansas Mr. Charles Mosqueda, President, Teamster Union Local 795, Wichita, Kansas ...
1. RESIGNATION OF DENNIS RADER FROM THE SEDGWICK COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL ...
www.sedgwickcounty.org/countyclerk/ 1998/regular/reg06-10.pdf - Similar pages

http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/countyclerk/1998/regular/reg06-10.pdf

[medeak]

36. resigned from animal control?

lordy..did he do strange things with animals too?

[Riding this Donkey]

39. That's not all. Look on the first page, he was a guest as a member of the

Sedgewick County Board Zoning of Appeals......

[Maru Kitteh]

55. He most likely had an animal control job in the first place so he could be

free to abuse and torture animals without much fear of recrimination. Animal control officers deal regularly with runaways and abandoned animals as well as so called "pests" or rodents. Not many questions are asked when these animals are brought in dead or all mangled up. Cats and dogs don't speak English and few humans show much concern if a raccoon or a opossum shows up with it's head bashed in.

There is a direct correlation between the way a person treats animals and their capacity for abusive and even homicidal behavior towards humans. It's likely though that it was noticed that far too many animals he picked up on calls ended up dead or in terrible shape.

Asshole. I'm glad it's over for all those people, and the animals too. No living creature deserves what that guy did.

[Auntie Bush]

67. George Bush used to blow up frogs with fire crackers

"There is a direct correlation between the way a person treats animals and their capacity for abusive and even homicidal behavior towards humans." Wow!!!!!

[IndianaGreen]

38. The Invocation was given by Mr. Chuck McCoy of the Christian Businessmen's

The Invocation was given by Mr. Chuck McCoy of the Christian Businessmen's Committee.

An invocation at a public meeting of the Sedgwick County Board of County Commissioners? This just illustrates the hypocrisy of religion. Putting Jesus and the Ten Commandments in public buildings and schools won't do shit to prevent evil, which often comes from those that proclaim G_d as their own.

[ultraist]

63. There you have it! "Christian Businessmen's Committee"

He also was suspected to having military background, as noted in a profile written years ago, due to his torture techniques. They called that one.

[Riding this Donkey]

64. was he in the military? eom

[Riding this Donkey]

42. And he got commended for

Heard Rohr commend Whitson and compliance officers Mary Campbell and Dennis Rader for enforcing cleanup at the truck stop area.

http://www.arkvalleynews.com/web/isite.dll?1022789734420










edit for sp

[barbaraann]

44. The Wichita, Ks Christ Lutheran Church is a evangelical church.

http://www.elca.org/

[mim]

51. ELCA

Barbaraann, I'm afraid you're confused by the word "evangelical." The word merely means Gospel-oriented, and Lutherans have used it ever since the Reformation. So for the big new Lutheran church body to use that word in its name is merely to recall its Lutheran roots.

In Germany, "evangelisch" means Lutheran. In fact, German has another word to describe American-style evangelicalism, "evangelikal."

If you were to read the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's official magazine, _The Lutheran_ (accessible through the ELCA Website), you would realize that on the American religious map the ELCA is "mainline." That is not to say that all members of ELCA churches are politically liberal; _The Lutheran_ receives a lot of angry letters from rock-ribbed conservatives.

I know all this because I am a Lutheran in an ELCA congregation.

[NJCher]

54. thanks for the explanation on the use of "evangelical"

I knew there was something wrong with that assumption but I couldn't explain it myself, despite knowing German.


Cher

[barbaraann]

57. Thanks for the info.

What does it mean to be affiliated with the Missouri Synod?

Oh, and welcome to DU! :hi:

[mim]

60. Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod

Ah, the Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod. That's another ballgame. The LCMS is descended from a group of Lutherans in Prussia (before the united Germany) at the time when the Emperor Frederick (III?), a Lutheran married to a Reformed Protestant, wanted to take Holy Communion along with his wife. Now because the Lutheran and Reformed (Calvinist) traditions differ significantly in Eucharistic theology, a lot of Lutherans, including some learned theologians, said, no way. (To this day, Eucharistic theology is a big issue that must be thrashed out in ecumenical relations.) Some of these holdouts emigrated to the USA, where they would be free of govt. interference in their church life. (The people who went along with the Emperor and later came here became the Evangelical and Reformed, who later merged with the Congregationalists to form the United Church of Christ.) The Lutheran holdouts, naturally, brought with them two attitudes which persist to this day: distrust of government and distrust of the orthodoxy of everyone else.

Distrust of government led to a penchant for conservative politics. Distrust of the orthodoxy of everyone else led to closed communion (you can't take Communion in an LCMS church unless the pastor knows you), and a refusal to merge with any other church body. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America OTOH is the result of a 1988 merger of the Lutheran Church in America, the American Lutheran Church and the Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches. The first 2 of these bodies were the result of earlier mergers; the third was a breakaway body from the LCMS, the result of a crackdown in the 1970's by the administration of Concordia Seminary in St. Louis which insisted on biblical inerrancy.

Ultimately, the different Lutheran church bodies all spring from different groups of Lutherans from different countries or regions with different religious orientations which came over at different times.

While the LCMS is against worshipping with anyone else (the president of the Atlantic District of the LCMS, which includes NYC, got into hot water for participating in an interfaith service to commemorate 9/11), they have a kind of gut-level affinity with American-style evangelicals (now that the catholic- and liberal-minded elements have split off). The LCMS does not ordain women; the ELCA does.

To add to the confusion, the ELCA has synods with bishops and the LCMS has districts with presidents (the way the Catholic and Episcopal Churches have dioceses with bishops).

Hope this helps.

[barbaraann]

68. You are very informed!

And it sounds to me like the LCMS is more "evangelical" or fundamentalist than the ELCA. Is that right???

[mim]

69. LCMS vs. ELCA

Yes, sort of. In mood if not in theology. Trouble with saying more "evangelical" is that American-style evangelicals are a diverse lot. They're not all Bushies. Also, true to their roots, the LCMS has a more solid theological core than the "evangelicals." But I think the LCMS is closer in mood, if not in theology, to the sort of "evangelicals" who voted GWB into a second term, than is the ELCA, tho there are plenty of Bushies in the ELCA.

One qualification: if the split at Concordia was any indication, the LCMS seems to have copied the dogma of biblical inerrancy from American fundies.

[barbaraann]

47. Update from the Wichta Eagle (new church info)

Posted on Sat, Feb. 26, 2005

UPDATED: 2:18 p.m.

Police: BTK is arrested; Dennis Rader named as suspect in killings

Dennis Rader, the man who police have arrested on suspicion of first-degree murder in connection with the 10 deaths now tied to BTK, was a member of a Park City Lutheran church for 25 years, the church's pastor confirmed this afternoon.

The Rev. Mike Clark of Christ Lutheran Church also said that Rader, a 59-year-old Park City resident, held a leadership position.

The church's executive committee is meeting to issue a statement expected later today, Clark said.
...
http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/11000748.htm

[Comicstripper]

52. And this, from the church site (Back Up)

"My name is Michael Clark. I am the pastor here at Christ Lutheran Church. I want to say that on my behalf and the behalf of the leaders of this congregation we will cooperate completely in the ongoing investigation of the matter regarding Dennis Rader. We first became aware of this investigation on Friday, February 25, 2005.

Dennis is a member of Christ Lutheran Church. He has held leadership positions here at Christ Lutheran over the course of approximately 30 years as a member.

We are all concerned for Dennis Rader and his family. We lift up our prayers in support of all of them. The members of Christ Lutheran Church are in a state of shock and bewilderment about the turn of events that have unfolded this week.

We lift up our prayers, support and compassion for the victims and family members involved with the BTK murders. We ask for care and compassion of the Wichita community as this congregation deals with this tragic and difficult situation.

Michael G. Clark, Pastor "

[Riding this Donkey]

58. Thanks for the update, should have spoke about the victims

before he started praying for the depraved dennis rader.

Why do they always do that????:shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

59. I can only wonder as to the Church's shock to find that BTK Killer

was among them. Just like the Boy Scout troop that he worked with. I really feel their pain.

On the other hand, what if Dennis Rader had been someone that was active in the GLBT community and in the Democratic Party? Do you think for one minute that people would be saying things like "we ask for care and compassion of the Wichita community as the..." GLBT community "deals with this tragic and difficult situation"? I don't think so.

[ultraist]

65. I wonder if he killed any of his church members?

[mim]

62. Christ Church

My prayers are with Pr. Clark and Christ Church.

[mim]

66. My Lutheran posts

If Pastor Clark were the poster, I would invite him to look at my posts on the ELCA and LCMS, in case there were anything he would want to add or correct.

[Bullwinkle925]

50. Very Interesting - probably a Republican as well!

Good ole American values at work, eh?

[devilgrrl]

53. I wonder if he posted at freerepublic.com?

Wouldn't surprise me.

[Maru Kitteh]

56. That would be about their speed

dark, horrible angry soul thriving on torture and control, hating women, hiding behind the doors of a church.

Sounds just like a freeper.

[Padraig18]

61. kick

[mim]

70. Fundie, shmundie

I'm bumping this thread for the sake of anyone who really believes that the ELCA is a fundie church.

[Riding this Donkey]

71. Was the church Rader belonged to ECLA or the other one you

discussed, I am confused, cause I know very little about it.

[mim]

72. Rader's church

http://www.christ-lutheran.org/">Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas is a congregation of the http://www.elca.org/">ELCA.