Gannon Wrinkles 12

[Andy_Stephenson]

merh's synopsis of threads 1-8 is here.

sojourner's Gosch/Guckert synopsis of threads 1-8 is here.

sojourner's synopsis of threads 9 - 10 is here. merh's addition about thread 9 is here.

nonny's Gosch-to-Guckert side-by-side comparison overlay is here. Her photo comparison of John Gosch, Sr. and Guckert is here (as re-posted by merh in thread 10).

Wrinkles 1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 4: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 5: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 6: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 7: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 8: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 9: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Wrinkles 10: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Broken link in opening message of Wrinkles 10 is here.

**Edited to say I have set up a Demopedia page with this information on it: Gannongate Wrinkles.

I screwed up the links. Can someone redo this and fix em? Do the post and I will edit my with yours.

[fooj]

1. Thanks Andy...so much to focus on!

How are YOU? Sending you a big hug...:hug:

[Andy_Stephenson]

2. Well I got news from the welfare office today.

good news bad news scenario.

:shrug:

Perhaps everything will be alright.

Time will tell.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Aw

I hope everything is okay. :hug:

[Andy_Stephenson]

5. Not really...

but I have other things to worry about right now.

[Desertrose]

4. another big hug for ya here

:hug::grouphug:

good to keep positive :) (if ya can)

sending some good :loveya: too
DR

[tsuki]

100. What news?

[sojourner]

140. "Time will tell" -- truth in that.

But keep doing what you have to keep yourself positive. Rent some ridiculous movies to laugh at. Smell a rose. Call on us if need be.

And thanks for your hard work here (umm...I meant up there ^ in the starting thread....but in general here, too! You're a bit of the glue that holds this "thread" together.) :hug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. Are these the links you needed?

sojourer's Gosch/Guckert synopsis of threads 1-8 is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3225014#3226034

Sojourner's synopsis of threads 9-10 is here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3230132&mesg_id=3231389&page=

merh's addition about thread 9 is here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3230132&mesg_id=3231437&page=

nonny's Gosch-to-Guckert side-by-side comparison overlay is here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3214059#3214923

Her photo comparison of John Gosch, Sr. and Guckert is here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3230132#3231323 (as re-posted by merh in thread 10).

I THINK I got them all? :hi:

[EFerrari]

8. Thanks, you two! n/t

[fooj]

14. I pm'd you...did you get it?

I don't want Mordarlar going to the library alone! It's a gut feeling...

[EFerrari]

22. Check yr box. n/t

[BamaBecky]

7. To Jeff Gannon - STAY SAFE! **(they say he reads DU)**n/t

[FogerRox]

9. I was at Camp Wellstone this wkend-got up on threads 5 thru ohmm 12?

<snip>-.-.-.-. self edit-.-..-.-<snip> My apologies


Those modern pics of Gannon--Dont seem to me, to be someone who is my contemporary.

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Okay, let us be the judge of that.

Can you post your pic?:-)

[Ferry Fey]

10. Mordarlar

Mordarlar:

Watch what you do or say in the library. If someone comes asking afterwards, the librarians will not have the freedom to tell them to go shove it, because of the Patriot Act.

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/ifissues/usapatriotactlibrary.htm

Don't count on a library photocopy machine being able to give you a decent copy. Bring a good digital camera that you know how to use, one that can have the flash turned off so the light won't be bouncing off the glossy paper. Assume that next time someone visits, the information may no longer be there (surprise, surprise).

Remember to check any indexes in the back to see if there are any clubs he belongs to that have photos. He may be in clubs in earlier issues than his senior year yearbook, and there may be photos other years too.

I'm interested that it hasn't come up on classmates.com, local boy makes good sort of thing.

About the HST death -- I don't think anyone's brought this up previously, but if they have I would just like to remind us to keep it in mind. If he was the "Hunter Thompson" who was said to have been filming at Bohemian Grove, looking into that might put him into a position to be prosecuted as an accessory to a felony, if he were around for the abuse.

[FogerRox]

11. Self edit<snip>@

Self edit<snip>

[Name removed]

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[Ferry Fey]

13. Crawford County Meetup for Change

There's a couple of dozen Dems who meet monthly in Meadville (about 11 miles from Conneaut Lake) under the Meetup for Change program. Next meeting on the 28th.

Perhaps someone (I can't) would like to take on the job of networking with them? They could be valuable local resources.

http://democrat.meetup.com/86/

[mordarlar]

104. Thanks for the advice. I will take a digital. : )

[merh]

112. Please don't forget to check for a greco, I believe the first name

was ralph (thread 9).

:yourock:

[intheflow]

12. About the screwed up links:

All we need to post for these threads now is:

For background information, see Demopedia article for "Gannongate Wrinkles" here: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Gannongate_Wrinkles

*Edited to add that whoever posts will have to go to the Demopedia page and copy the link into the new thread starting post. Just copying this message will break the link.

[fooj]

15. Thanks...has anyone told you lately that

:yourock: ? We appreciate you!!!!

[intheflow]

18. Thank you.

Link to wrinkle 12 already up on Demopedia. :)

[Gelliebeans]

20. yes intheflow

we really DO appreciate you and the many others, there are many of us who have only replied on these threads sporadically but we are reading and archiving them quietly.
We will continue to dig right along with you.

I would like to acknowledge the following DU'ers efforts, These names keep coming up thread after thread, I don't mean to diminish anyone else who is contributed to these interesting threads.

Andy, Fooj, sfexpat2000, mordarlar, merh, nonny, troubleinwinter, understandinglife, Faye, suziedemocrat, flyarm, cat_girl25 (if I forgot anyone please forgive me)

:toast:

[intheflow]

42. Demopedia FYI/Update

With her permission, I added nonny's overlaid photo comparisons of Gosch/Guckert/Gannon, and also the comparison photos of Gosch, Sr. and Gannon/Guckert.

[DulceDecorum]

159. RE: BROKEN LINKS

In the past, I have found it useful to deliberately break the links
immediately after where it says php
and ask them to be pasted together.
But I like your method better.

For background information, see Demopedia article for "Gannongate Wrinkles" here:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/
Gannongate_Wrinkles

Here is a new wrinkle on the Gannongate story.
Gannongate wrinkle 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3144209

Gannongate wrinkle 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3155132

Gannongate wrinkle 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3161296

Gannongate wrinkle 4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3196579&mesg_id=3196579&page=

Gannongate wrinkle 5
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3214059#3214059

Gannongate wrinkle 6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=view_all&address=104x3218095

Gannongate wrinkle 7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3220309&mesg_id=3220309

Gannongate wrinkle 8
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=view_all&address=104x3222750

Gannongate wrinkle 9
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=view_all&address=104x3225014#3225014

Gannongate wrinkle 10
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3230132#3230132

Gannongate wrinkle 11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3231526#3231531

Much appreciation to intheflow.

[Name removed]

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[Catherine Vincent]

25. Welcome to the Wringle threads!

[SharonRB]

53. Thanks, Cat

It's been very interesting, although extremely disturbing.

[Catherine Vincent]

54. Wringle should be Wrinkle!

<embarassed I didn't catch typo!> :mad:

[Name removed]

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[libertypirate]

21. Had a thought about : Bush Tapes?

How many people record their conversations?

How many people record conversations of people they consider friends?

How many people or friends of Bush record their conversations?

Prove there is a pattern of people recording conversations with Bush, and show they are people who say they are his friends. Then ask why?

Don't ask why before you can prove there is a pattern.

Blackmail is as Blackmail does!

Releasing the tapes to the public removes blackmail, why give up blackmail?

[s-cubed]

33. I thought only a few tapes were released. They could be a

warning that there is more that could be released.

[notadmblnd]

116. I read an article on a sight that most here do not approve of

but blackmail is exactly what was suggested. The writer said what if Wead wasn't really loyal to bush but to someone else? That the release of the info on the tape was just a reminder to bush that he better make good on his promises.

The someone else that was suggested was Reverend Moon. The writer also said that Wead was the one who had participated in getting the Democrats to the Coronation of Rev Moon over a year ago.

[Liberal In Texas]

23. Has AAR mentioned anything about Gannon/Gosch connection?

I haven't really been listening much.

[Catherine Vincent]

24. Bush - Cheney...

This is the logo for the Bohemian Grove. These people were determined to install and keep Bush/Cheney in office. That's why they had to steal it from Gore and Kerry.

[elehhhhna]

35. Oh look : It's a chickenhawk! Why am I not surprised?

[fooj]

26. Here's something of interest...

Check out the Cannonfire blog today. Scroll down a bit to where it talks about the childrens choir singing for Shrub Sr. in the WH.

Here's a piece of the article on the Religious Mind Control Cults:

"Remarkably, the Children of God organization has withstood several prosecutorial attempts, including one in 1974 by the New York Attorney General's office, which accused the cult of incest, rape and kidnapping. Incredibly, the case was dropped by order of the Attorney General, who made the amazing claim that the cult was protected from prosecution by the First Amendment! Could it be that the cult is protected by very powerful figures? Former Chilean dictator Pinochet and Libya's Muammar al-Qaddafi, allegedly have connections with this organization, whose choir even performed at the George Bush White House."


Edit: sorry- here's the link!

(Incidentally, the Children of God -- a cult notorious for permitting sex with children -- maintains a choir which was once invited to sing for the elder Bush at the White House!)

SHIT!!!!! I can't get it to copy!!

[EFerrari]

28. Hmm, where is he going with this blog, fooj? Changed his mind? nt

[fooj]

30. Click on where he has talks about the choir being invited to WH...

The site you'll be directed to is titled RELIGIOUS MIND CONTROL CULTS! IMHO, mind control may explain the "many faces of gannon/guckert"-

[EFerrari]

32. Joe is nobody's fool. Interesting. n/t

[EFerrari]

27. Anybody with a decoder ring want to help me read JDG's blog?

In specific, I'd like to compare it to normal WH media manipulation. It would be nice to have at least two more brains :)

[fooj]

29. I'm in...what can I help with?

I've got to take off for a few hours but if you get me the material, I'd be happy to check it out! Peace!

[EFerrari]

31. I pm'd you, fooj, to save thread space. n/t

[fooj]

34. Right on!

I'm going to be out for awhile...
Will get back to you with my assessment!

[libertypirate]

38. This needs to be brought to Biden.

We need to hit our own people over the head harder then we hit the republicans. The republicans will learn to be hard on their own if we make our people accountable, they won't want us having all the fun.

From www.jeffgannon.com

4:17pm

I watched a clip of Sen. Joe Biden on Bill Maher's HBO crapfest. I wonder why he didn't mention meeting me some years ago. C'mon Joe, think...

1:18pm

I like Mr. Biden but if Gannon just said he met him a couple of years ago... Gannon was a whore a couple of years ago, so where did he meet Mr. Biden? Biden has made a couple of strange moves lately.

[EFerrari]

39. Have you seen Nashua Advocate's last article?

It should be on the blog home page: www.nashuaadvocate.com

[libertypirate]

47. If you out the Blackmail...

there is no blackmail.

[EFerrari]

49. Exactly. n/t

[hootinholler]

139. Corrected link for Nashua Advocate

http://www.nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/

-Hoot

[yebrent]

36. I hate to mention the word, but as I read all these wrinkles...

I keep being drawn in to a much bigger story. The Illuminati.

The mere mention of the so called shadow government would usually cause me to stop reading immediately. But with Bohemian Grove, The Franklin Cover-up, satanic rituals, pedophiles, Skull and Bones and everything else that seems to be spilling out the Gannon/Gosch story, I find myself having a more open mind about the Illuminati.

The last few days, I haven't been able to stop reading about the various theories swirling around the Illuminati, Freemasons and a variety of other supposedly connect groups. It makes sense to me that a handful of the world's richest and most powerful families would have a strong motive to work together out of the public eye to keep their power and riches through the generations. It also makes sense that if these families have held power since before The Enlightenment, then they would probably still be practicing age old rituals using age old symbolism that would seem silly to most people.

Whether it is all fact, fiction, or something in between, I feel more and more confident that a giant cloth has been pulled over the eyes of all but a few of the world's citizens.

[EFerrari]

37. Oh, god. And I had a hard time with "Paradise Lost". lol n/t

[fooj]

45. Ok...I've got my notes...

I'm going up to shower...my husband is going to kill me. family from out of town will be here in 3 hours- Ugh!!! I'll get back to you as soon as I possibly can. Thanks.

[EFerrari]

48. No, hurry. Thanks! I know, I'm about to be grounded, too!

[FogerRox]

43. It seems that folks are still doing these rituals rumors

and stories persist. And when somebody digs too far they get beat up--or dead- or a bunch of the bad guys get busted. Not enuf getting busted for my tastes

[libertypirate]

44. Might simply be used as blackmail

[FogerRox]

46. libertypirate : Blackmail--yes-at least part of it.

[libertypirate]

58. I know it's part... I wonder if it's everything too.

I know the idea of the scheme being used is to make things seem more complicated then they are.

I really think the idea that this whole thing is complicated only adds to misunderstanding. I am not discounting complication but I think most of the confusion comes from us thinking of more out of something then we need to.

Isn't blackmail enough of a reason for a power monger?

Why does there have to be another reason?

[EFerrari]

68. Point well taken.

The challenge is not to exclude anything too soon AND to keep it simple.

It'e like writing and editing. When you're generating material, you let rip. Sort of like Mordarlar letting herself think about LHO. (That was very useful: it helped clarify the context of what the public gets to see. Maybe intel is getting into the WH's face)

When you edit, you wear a different hat. It's about culling.

But both steps are really important, and if one tries to do them at the same time, neither come out very well.

[BamaBecky]

57. Satanism is all about P O W E R.......how do I know?

I have "counseled" victims of satanic ritual abuse. They were BOTH multiples. The desire to worship Satan is to be infused with power. The rituals would gross out normal people. Incidentally some of these Satan worshipers also go to church. I never did understand why, unless it was for COVER. There are doctors, lawyers, cops, professionals and blue collar people involved in this. My hunch is that this child sex ring thing WILL NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY. They are just so competent in closing every investigation, every murder, every incident of reported child abuse. I don't mean to discourage, it's just what I have been told. They were even afraid to tell me what they knew for my own personal safety. These people think NOTHING of murder. For further reading, I recommend The Kingdom of Darkness by Father Joseph Brennan. ISBN number 0-925417-01-7 The information will curl your toe nails.

[Catherine Vincent]

69. "The information will curl your toe nails."

Now that is scary!:scared:

I don't think I want to read that book, I probably wouldn't leave the house for a month. You really think this will never see the light of day?

[Minstrel Boy]

56. read this:

The Great Satan.

And I hear ya.

[BamaBecky]

59. Really Interesting.......I was hooked reading it.........till it got to

what I call the owee owee stuff. Gosh I got lost at that point. I know nothing about the connection of child sex rings and the other things that were mentioned in this article. I'm not trying to debunk it.....just admitting that I really do not understand any of that.

[yebrent]

63. google search for ted gunderson, franklin cover up and johnny gosch.

just a few links. There is a lot more out there, but it all can be a bit much to digest.

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/tg/

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5409

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=84673&topic=3&showdate=2/28/05

http://lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/ted_gunderson.htm

[yebrent]

65. there is also a video...

called 'The Conspiracy of Silence' located here:

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCover-up.htm

It was days away from airing on the Discovery Channel in 1994.

The more you read, the deeper, stranger and more evil it gets.

[Donailin]

75. A good summary with as many details as can included are here:

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/gunderson_report.htm

[Synnical]

83. I just watched the 30 minutes of video

Creepy stuff. After that I ordered Noreen Gosch's book (thru the Johnny Gosch Foundation website) and The Franklin Cover-up book (thru a used book site). Whether or not this has anything to do with the Gannon/Guckert affair - the Nebraska scandal is news to me. I knew nothing of it until a few days ago.

Just a note - I've always been highly skeptical of "Satanic Ritual Abuse" and "Recovered Memories". Warning bells are going off in my head as this discussion heads down that path . . . I have no expertise on the topic, just an avid reader and my baloney detection kit is screaming at me right now.

:)

[Donailin]

117. Not tonight, Dear

Last time I read that I didn't sleep a wink.

The shit's freakin me out, man! :scared:

[slaveplanet]

60. They call it

New world Order for a reason.

They literally plan on collapsing the old world , and replacing it with their twisted new one. Where wrong is right and slavery is freedom, and fools are placed at lofty heights.

I believe 9/11 was the opening salvo to bring about this destabilization and collapse. Although the plan has likely been in motion for over a century.

You see they knew that the advent of technology would pose a threat to the control grid if it makes to the hands of the "little" people. They have big reason not to let certain health and energy advances get out.

This whole Gannon deal is perfect example of how technology can be used against their media stranglehold. So I'm sure they will soon step it up a notch. They can only pull it off if cloak never gets lifted.

[Blue Gardener]

40. Just adding this to the mix

Noreen Gosch was sued in 2004 by a John Zielinski, the guy who says he helped write her book. He's probably nobody, but thought I would throw his name out there in case it comes up for any other reason.

Link to the Des Moines Register article:
http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040811/NEWS01/408110350&SearchID=73201260998179

August 11, 2004
A researcher and author has sued the mother of long-missing paperboy Johnny Gosch, contending she owes him at least $24,000 for his work on a 2000 book about the boy's disappearance.

John Zielinski's lawsuit says Noreen Gosch and the Johnny Gosch Foundation promised more than five years ago to pay him for his work on "Why Johnny Can't Come Home." The book is an account of Johnny's 1982 disappearance and what allegedly happened to him afterward.

[Blue Gardener]

41. One more thing to add

Found this also while searching the Des Moines Register archive. This guy probably knows quite a bit about the Gosch case. He would be an interesting person to talk to.

Mark Mills, a former Des Moines TV journalist, was so affected by covering Johnny Gosch's disappearance that 20 years later he has written a novel about the abduction of a child.

"I knew the family real closely and his parents real well. It wasn't just the Johnny Gosch case that interested me but the side research I did on pedophilia. I discovered this startling information," said Mills,

http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040501/ENT01/405010305&SearchID=73201261621765

[Zap]

50. whoa...

...so this guy is basically saying in print that he thinks pedophilia is involved. that's actually pretty amazing when you think about it...because from an official point of view, they still claim that they don't know for sure what happened. Just this guy "speculating" in print is a great way to get more people to understand what the hell is going on.

[Blue Gardener]

52. Welcome to DU Zap

Have you read Gannon Wrinkles 1-11 yet? It will take awhile, but you'll learn a lot.

[libertypirate]

55. Mark Mills - To Protect The Innocent (website and email)

http://www.toprotecttheinnocent.com/

http://www.toprotecttheinnocent.com/moreinfo.html

[Zap]

51. saw this today....

http://www.rense.com/general63/hms.htm


I know...it's Rense, so take it with a grain or two.

[BamaBecky]

62. Well these guys better be careful....."alls I got to say"......I would

love to see this all get EXPOSED.....I hope they know what they are up against.

[Donailin]

79. Has anyone considered what would happen next IF Gosch is Gannon?

That would mean he knows EVERYTHING. Does anyone honestly think that if he were a threat to the particular establishment, that they would allow that? He would either be suicided or simply disappeared. In any case I see no indication in his online personna or radio interviews or TV presence that would imply he is a man who has gone through the sort of abuse like that of Bonacci. On that fateful video, you can tell the victims were victimized. There's a depression, a disturbance , a darkness, that I doubt one can fake. OTOH, Gannon just seems to exude confidence, a sort of conscious defiance that he is unbreakable. And one has to be broken in order to develope multipersonalities in the first place. My intuition tells me that Gannon is for the most part an oppurtunist and very self centered. He manilpulates, and he calculates but I don't think he's this mind-controlled robot created by some mad scientists.

Having said that, I totally believe that many politicians are being blackmailed at this very moment for sordid past/present behaviors and that this story has deep roots in the elder Bush's past.

[EFerrari]

85. A very perceptive group of observations/ questions

Some for you, if you're willing to think along side. If not, I apologize.

1. Have you watched him on camera for more than a nanosecond?
2. Do you believe a person could go through that experience without a fractured memory?
3. (Honestly, this isn't a question. Gannon exudes false bravado. He is a survivor. Try watching his video interviews and then describe his "confidence".) And that being said, my wish is for you to be right and me to be wrong.

peace.
Beth

[troubleinwinter]

88. I have mentioned

his puffery, posing and bragging. Trying to make himself more important than he is... both before the 'scandal' and after. Especially on freepland, but also in his various writings and his TV performances. He seems insecure.

I have also mentioned that he seems extremely immature.

[mordarlar]

152. Agreed

[Donailin]

92. Beth

Ihave watched him. . over and over. I listened to his interview last night and read his blog since it came out last week. Bravado definitely, and arrogance. That's my perception, and I want nothing more than to believe that he is the smoking gun, but I can't make the facts do somersaults to fit my wish. Having said that, I watched the original documentary, Franklin Coverup, at least three times now and I've read all the literature posted in all these threads (been here lurking/posting since the original)including all the interviews posted by Minstrel Boy. I've spent hours reading websites on Temple of Set and Church of Satan and Bohemian Club and all manner of scandals concerning the CIA and MKUltra. Survivors of this stuff go underground b/c of constant state of fear or they get suicided. They almost always become addicted to drugs or go into depression. I'm not discounting that one of them could be so brainwashed as to become a rogue (peppy, in control, and obnoxious to boot)journalist and ask the retard questions, but I just find it highly unlikely. But that doesn't mean there isn't a story here. I just think it's bigger than one particular man.

[troubleinwinter]

98. What you said there

would be my expectation... drug addiction, especially.

Though it has been said that these threads are exclusively about Gosch connection, that was not the subject of post #1 on thread #1. In fact, Gosch's name showed up for the first time in #128.

The original post was a question about a particular address in DC... an escort service. What ever came of this, I don't think I saw... something about a real estate cover and the address having supposedly been connected to CIA once upon a time.

I am not sure about the Gosch connection. I WOULD like to know Guckert's military history... a bunch of other stuff, but I'd like to know just WHAT he was doing in the military after graduating from college.

We have learned a lot about the history of some things, but in all these threads, still precious little about Guckert.

[merh]

130. This is from another DU thread researched after the gannon story

broke. Hope it helps.


from Military.com

James D Guckert

Rank: E-4 Corporal
Service: Marine Corps
Status: Inactive Res/Guard (not drilling)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1594882

[jdj]

169. y'all don't think Gannon is coked up?

c'mon.

[intheflow]

179. That would explain a lot of his quirkiness.

His writing seems to change personalities. I was thinking multiple people may have written/edited the Jeff Gannon blog. But now that I think of the coke addicts I've known, they can change personalities in a megasecond.

Funny, we talk about mind control here and I'm picturing truth serums like some '50's B-sci-fi movie. I completely forgot about plain ol' addiction.

Plus, the thread started with CIA's involvement. God knows they love dabbling in cocaine and crack. Thanks, jdj.

[EFerrari]

111. I agree with you completely

And as I said to The Magistrate today, I would so love to be wrong as hell.

(Well, I didn't say "hell" to The Magistrate; I can respect limits :) )

And agree with you that the likelihood of one of those victims surviving this far is remote. On the other hand, I've some pretty intense experience with survival. It happens every now and again.

Just my .02
Beth

[fooj]

156. You bet it's "false bravado"...he has learned the behavior to protect

himself. I am in FULL agreement with that. I've seen it too many times in my high school students behavior not to recognize it. Personally, I think he is scared shitless.

[BamaBecky]

91. different people will react in different ways to the abuse.........and you

have noted some characterlogical flaws (which we ALL have to some degree). Those who have been abused have pronounced characterlogical problems due to having to DEFEND themselves. So view them as Exaggerated DEFENSES against being vunerable.

[intheflow]

106. Stockholm Syndrome.

It was mentioned a million threads ago. But I can tell you as a survival of spousal abuse that I identified with my abuser very closely. I was lucky that I had strong family support to help me see the light and break away from the bond I felt toward him.

I was an adult when I got married, and stayed in that relationship for less than 6 years. Imagine a kid, with NO family support (except a "family" of captors), kept underground for 14 years (1982-1996, when Gannon/Guckert seems to have appeared). He would have to identify with them or go crazy. He would have to make them think he was on their side or die.

I don't buy into the multiple personalities, either, but a manic personality? I think that's possible.

[Donailin]

118. Hmm, I know about abuse myself

actually neglect. I wonder if that's why many of us are drawn to this thread. We know something. We know that people are capable of things most others can't seem to imagine.

I just wish we could get some definitive answers, this speculation is driving me mad.

[sojourner]

128. Gotta jump in here, on multiple personalities --

Just call me Professor!

There are some instances in which certain folks have disassociated from (their) reality. Sometimes they do it through amnesias...and I am convinced that sometimes they do it through development of an alternative personality. These are folks who've generally been through HORRIBLE abuses.

And, contrary to what is sometimes asserted, the presence of abuse alone does NOT predict the development of a disassociative state. In fact, it is a fairly rare phenomenon.

Unfortunately, back a few years ago, it became quite the "fad". Whether clients were motivated by an "easy out" for bad behavior, or therapists were drawn by the allure of a mysterious and romanticized disorder (movies like Sybill and the 3 Faces of Eve) -- in any case people were being diagnosed with it left and right (including a friend of mine who honest to god was "talked" into it by her therapist). --- Please don't misunderstand -- I'm not dissing therapists. But just as there are good and ethical lawyers and doctors, and bad, unethical ones, so too there are people who ought not be therapists.

Partly due to this recent history, there is considerable debate about the disorder among psychologists, although generally the defense mechanism known as disassociation has been recognized for decades.

And as you can tell, even though I have a friend who was diagnosed with (and subsequently began to act out the symptoms) the disorder, I come down squarely on the side of the unconscious mind and its masterful use of defense mechanisms to "deal" with trauma.

End of lesson.

[mordarlar]

167. I just want to add dissociation disorders occur in varying levels.

It is not always a split. Everyone has it to some degree. The lowest form is something like daydreaming. Where the mind is separate from happenings around them. Countless levels exist between this fairly harmless form and the point where a persons mind fragments into personality sections.

[sojourner]

168. Thanks mordarlar! Good point, although

I think you meant "disassociation" -- which is actually as you describe, an alteration in one's state of consciousness. Pretty sure we agree that by the time it's a disorder, it's no longer harmless. :toast:

[mordarlar]

188. I did mean disassociation. Thank you for the correction.

:toast: Thanks i needed a drink. You are buying right? lol

[mordarlar]

196. Wait i am confused. Perhaps you can help.

I believe dissociation and disassociation are synonyms.

[sojourner]

208. me too.........did I use one incorrectly?

Wouldn't be impossible.........'member me? DUNCE!!!

[mordarlar]

213. Oh no, i just used one and was not sure i used correctly. : )

[sojourner]

225. check your mail!

:)

[Project_Willow]

230. ...on multiple personalities

Dear "Professor"
What if you found yourself diagnosed with MPD (Dissociative Identity Disorder), and what came along with your newly discovered personalities were extremely horrible memories (and the cooresponding physical symptoms) about the kinds of things being discussed in this thread? Consider also that your family, knowing you are in therapy, starts pressuring, perhaps even threatening you, if you continue. Combine that with the social pressure of the backlash or 'controversy' around the diagnosis and it becomes even more probable that you, like many survivors, might opt to blame therapists rather than deal with the pain, risks, and isolation involved in facing the truth of their histories.
One can always live on in a dissociated state.
D.I.D. was not a fad diagnosis. What we went through was an attempt at revelation and a subsequent cover-up. D.I.D. is still widely misdiagnosed or missed altogether. As you can see in this thread it is extremely difficult for people to handle the subject of extreme human evil, and unfortunately, psychologists are no exception.
Note, leading protagonists of the controversy over D.I.D. and leaders of the false memory movement were some of the very same people running CIA mind control experiments, such as DR. Martin Orne.

[sojourner]

235. Thing is, before being diagnosed

the symptomology should be there. I don't go to the doctor, get diagnosed with a cold and THEN get the symptoms.

If that should occur in the case of a psychological disorder then I would look straight at the diagnosing clinician as the cause. Period.

However, if a person is suffering loss of time (due to an alter being "out"); experiencing inexplicable circumstances in which he/she keeps finding him/herself with little or no memory; etc. then that person needs and will indeed be relieved and helped by a diagnosis and treatment.

[sojourner]

133. And look how great you turned out to be!!!

The human spirit....an absolute wonder!!! Which is why I guess I hold onto hope for..................well, I hold onto hope.

[mordarlar]

166. I grew up in a pretty intensely abusive home. Speaking as an adult child

i can say that while there is a sort of need to seek affirmation of the abuser there is also, at least in my case, a determination.

Some i think realize quite young that the people around them are not looking out for their best interests.

While emotionally dependant they also learn the "game". They become watchers. Senses heighten to a degree. They learn what words to say, what faces mean danger, how far they can push. Sometimes they learn how to play the player.

In some of the most threatening of times occasionally a switch is flipped. Death and fear of it becomes irrelevant. It is difficult to explain but when you are backed far enough into a corner you either stay there or you find a way out.

[s-cubed]

250. Rense is just a paraphrase of the tbrnews article. CAUTION. n/t

edit: clarification

[Minstrel Boy]

61. the art and sketchbook of ritual abuse mind control survivor Lynn S:

http://www.lynnsart.net/info.htm

Powerful stuff.

"Lab Room Floor"




"A cult programming/indoctrination device, the spin table. The cult was the first source of trauma. Rituals and early programming sessions "primed" us for use in the labs."

[New Earth]

66. ok guys, i need an update

i have been at work all day and went to bed kinda early last nite. so what's the deal? is it "100% confirmed" or what?

i'm tired of wondering!

[EFerrari]

70. Faye, can I pm you? nt

[New Earth]

71. sure

[Catherine Vincent]

74. Not confirmed. It's pretty much the same as last night.

No one has really talked about it.

[Donailin]

82. funny

I checked the thread at 7 AM and then worked all day wondering if when I got gome there's be some definitive answer. I know these things take time, but really. If it IS her son, then she's busy lining up lawyers? Protection? Contacts? If Gannon is Gosch (which I have doubts) would he have no memory of his past life and if confronted by her, tell her she's nuts?

Anyone thinking this thing out to it's probable conclusion? What if she says he is, but he isn't and produces his real parents? Tis is too bizarre.

[trudyco]

67. I've caught up! -finally can post - ever think of Mad magazine

I think it was Mad that had the spy-vs-spy. Only it seems like there are a lot more spies potentially here. I've been trying to list them in my head to see who would gain by outing Guckert:

1) BFEE - forget what it spells but its shrubbery
2) Fellowship - same as "New American Century" and PNAC? Professes christianity but many of the figures are questionable, like Moon. Do they believe in one world order?
3) Rogue CIA. MK-Ultra, Paperclip (have't read up on them yet)a group that uses mind control? Why? Into child abduction for the perfect CIA plant? Cause they don't have any family anymore and nowhere else to quit to, so they are loyal? Cause its easier to mind control starting at kid age than adult age? Because some of the "work" requires pedophilia? All of the above? Is this the same group that does other illegal activities detrimental to the USA like drug cartels? Black mailing politicians? Assassinations? Does this group also believe in One World Order?
4) Moon. He seems to have his own agenda. Isn't Wead his operative? HE seems to have his own view of a One World Order. Japan, Germany, USA, Korea. Why did we get sucked into the Korean war? It seems like there were several "communist" countries at the time. Why did we fight Korea?
5) Bush backed CIA - is this the same as Rogue CIA or are they two different groups? There is also DIA and Rummy's SS and Bush FBI.
6) The rest of the CIA, current and former. Did Rogue CIA members get fired, because they weren't loyal enough to Bush? They might have their own agenda. Or are there "good guy" CIA trying to clean up the Rogue CIA.
7) Bohemian Grove - at least points at Dem as well as BFEE Repubs
8) Skull and Bones - may be nothing but why the heck does it still exist?
9) The Military - Don't they have their own secret groups. Is that the NSA?
10) The rest of the FBI, past and present, not beholden to BFEE.
11) The industrio-military complex that makes lots of money on war.

Boy all the players involved, and the plots! JFK, Watergate, OK bombing, WTC, put orders on American and United airlines just prior to 911 and so far I've not heard who made all that money, Franklin scandal, APEC "scandal", Spence scandal, european and indonesion pedophile scandals, biologists dieing like flies, Iraq invasion, Berg decapitation (he's from West Chester too???)Iraq money scandal - I thought US money has tracers on it now. Why can't we trace this money??? I think each Bush son drained a bank, Enron and Franklin credit union - where did all the money go?

I remember how whatshisname ran for president and split the vote so Clinton could come in. The next time around he said he wasn't going to because he had been threatened - wierd things about his daughter. I thought he was wacked. Now I don't think so. Or was he an operative of Moon since Moon claims he was the reason George Sr didn't get re-elected?

Couple things about Guckert - he looks younger because I think he's had botox on the forehead and no crows feet around the eyes. However, if you look at the video his eyes do look older than the rest of him. Plastic Surgery? I hope Mordarlar checks out classmate names too. Would like to know how Guckert is pronounced and what buddies he had in High School. Fascinating how he can't pronounce his own name the same in two different interviews.

I think Gannon looked towards the right a lot in the Blitzer report because he was reading the teleprompter.

I also think Bush knew who he was. In the second interview there is a clip with Bush and he's doing that smirk as HE CALLS ON GANNON. He KNOWS who Gannon is (at least that he was a plant). Oberlman did a piece showing all the Gannon questions. I'd like to see all the questions asked just before and the look on Bush/McClellan/Fleisher's faces when they responded to Gannon questions. Especially the first time each guy encounters Gannon.

[intheflow]

81. Hi trudyco!

Thanks for your perseverance reading the threads. You have some interesting thoughts on the matter. I especially like that last bit about watching the video on Jeff's first (press) encounter with each man. Wouldn't C-SPAN have those archived somewhere?

Welcome to the wrinkles addiction! :hi:

[EFerrari]

72. Hey, night crew, I'm still needing one more person to read a little

fooj is helping me with this. But, could I just get one more reader to go look at the blog at jeffgannon.com?

There's information there I need, but don't trust my single brain to extract.

Any takers? I've about 6 questions. It might take about 30 minutes or so, reading, thinking, reciting.

Thanks.

[Andy_Stephenson]

73. I'm in

of course. PM me the information and I will start now.

[EFerrari]

76. Thanks, will do. n/t

[fooj]

77. Ok- I think I've got a few minutes to spare...

I've got a pretty lengthy response-should I pm you or should I try and get it posted on this thread so anyone with some input can have at it? What would you prefer?

[intheflow]

78. If you want another set of eyes

mine are available. PM me.

[EFerrari]

80. God, I just love DU. Thank you, intheflow. I will

[imaginary girl]

84. I'll take a stab at it too. n/t

[EFerrari]

86. May I pm you some specific questions? N/T

[troubleinwinter]

87. If ya need another.. ya know ya got me!

[EFerrari]

97. Thank you! I think it's covered. Save yourself!. .lol

[fooj]

89. Hey lady...should I post my assessment here?

I've got much to say...

[troubleinwinter]

90. Spit it out!

OHMYGAWD, I didn't say that.

[EFerrari]

95. We'll never tell :) nt

[EFerrari]

94. Sure, why not. I can collect it here, too. n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

109. OK here is my take

I don't see his audience as your typical RW'er. He is sending specific messages to a targeted audience. Like (pardon the French) "Don't fuck with me fellas. I have the dirt and I know where the bodies are buried." I am not sure there is more than than one audience. I think he knows who he targeting and they are following his site with fervor.

The frequency of his posts to me are not significant. I mean look at the way we post here at DU. IMHO jeffgannon.com is his own personal DU. Not so sure he is fielding talking points because I hear a mixed message from him. I am certainly not seeing him expound on what is coming from the White House. Again, IMHO....He is using the blog to taunt and even threaten the people appearing on it.

He is using his late notoriety for political ends I am not sure just yet what those are...but you can bet he is going to use the political capital he has gotten. I don't think there is any clear actions he wants his audience to take...in fact I see a real lack of direction coming from him. I still see him as using the blog to taunt and tease the people appearing on it.

[EFerrari]

119. Thanks, Andy n/t

[fooj]

149. Yippee...I can finally get away to post this! My take...

IMO- First of all his word choices are interesting..."crucible, gadfly"...get those hats ready! :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:A crucible being a heat melting container and also a literary piece. Gadfly-a large fly that bites livestock OR one that annoys others. Then he speaks of making good friends while in the WH Pressroom. I find that interesting-it seems as though this guy has NO friends. My guess is he is referring to "power people".

3/7: Talks about Globe being mouthpiece for Kerry Campaign. Wasn't someone just exposed for working AGAINST Kerry while employed at the Globe?
3/6: "So much more of this story to be told..." Talks about "gay card" and Joe Biden. (I bet Joe's hating life right about now) What really struck me as interesting was his early morning comment- "Gonzo gone, Rather going, Watergate still here." That bugs me. Call me crazy, but I think there is something in what he said. I just can't put my finger on it.
3/1: The old media still doesn't get it. (isn't old media the MSM?) Then he says "unabashed operatives themselves"...Then he talks about Cliff Kincaid (Accuracy in Media) and says "this guy should be cloned...a lot" I'm sure you know where I'm going with this one.
2/23: I just noticed that the font and print was different. He refers to Isikoff (Newsweek) The type is much smaller.

Just a few things I picked up on (they may not mean anything). He uses the British spelling for gray. (grey) He talks about a "Gannon Standard" and seems to feel the need to say "live" often. At the beginning he calls for a conservative blogger to step up and get in there. I don't believe him for a moment. He's to brazen and conceited to allow ANYONE ELSE to have the limelight. He brings up
Raines, Rather and Jordan...hmmmm.

One thing for sure...I don't think he wrote the article "Shuster's Shame"-it's too methodical and organized for his type of writing.
Doesn't like chipmunk comparison, would like to think of himself like a badger. Badger can also mean to nag and to torment.

Another question- why would he refer to "drinking Koolaid"...Just wierd.

I'd like to see Gannon physically somewhere. I'm with you, Beth. I don't think he has written all that is on his blog. I also see the frequent posts as a sense of urgency. I think he wants us to keep him breathing. Just my take.

I definitely do not think he wrote the questions on the right side of his blog, either.

[intheflow]

171. Well, since youse guys are posting yours...

I didn't keep a copy of what I sent sfexpat, but this is best as I can remember.

It's hard to tell if he's a megalomaniac writing solely to promote himself, or if he's trying to be "fair and balanced"/writing to both the LW and the RW, or if he's writing in code.

Megalomania is obvious in his self-promotion. Almost every article he references references back to him, either positively or negatively. His writing goes from laid back to macho to nutty, which is either an indication of a manic personality or indicative of multiple personalities or (my pet theory) 2 or 3 people writing the blog with/for him. (Edited to include a revision here. This could easily be from drug addiction, as noted in my post 179, above.)

"Fair and balanced" because he seems to throw bones to both RW & LW. For example, today he made sure to say he liked Garrett Graff, the liberal blogger admitted into the press room. On the other hand, he wrote he expected {assumedly conservative} bloggers to hold the Graff to the Gannon Standard of "reports on his sexual and financial history as well as some conspiracy theories about who this guy is."

Writing in code because... he's such a tease. He wrote about his Steve Yuhas interview last night: "I just finished up on the Steve Yuhas Show, and was glad to finally get a chance to talk about the important elements of this story. I'll be doing more of this from this point on and I have a lot to say. There is so much more to this story that has yet to be told." I didn't hear it, but from what I read on here, he didn't say anything new or of note. If there's more to the story, why not bring it up on the show? And who is he talking to? Us? RWers who are hanging on to his every word? Or people in power? (And if to people in power, why not shut the f*ck up about it? Surely they'd just as soon kill him then let him say "so much more" about anything he's done to date.)

Finally, the writing is pretty ambiguous, isn't it? I don't feel like he's trying to persuade me to do any thing or feel anything in particular. Nothing there urging me to join a church, support the war, support the President, just as there's nothing there urging me to reject religion, protest the war, or impeach the President.

So... it's either meant to appeal to as wide a range of RW/Libertarian-types as possible, or it's a straight ego trip, or it's code. No matter what, though, it is spectacularly bad writing.

[flyarm]

194. I SEE JIMMY/JEFF TRYING TOO HARD..

TRYING WAY TO HARD TO LEGITIMIZE HIMSELF..AND TRYING TOO HARD AT TRYING TO PROVE TO SOMEONE HE IS LOYAL TO THE WHITE HOUSE, OR SOMEONE THERE IN...HE IS DESPARATE...IT REMINDS ME OF A KID SAYING...i DIDN'T BREAK THE GLASS WHILE TRYING TO HIDE THE GLASS! BUT ALL THE WHILE PANICKING AND DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO BUTTER UP MOMMY!

HE IS ALSO TRYING DESPARATELY TO GET OTHERS TO STOP THE HEMORAGE..HE HAS PLENTY <ON > PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE...AND HE WILL USE IT TO GET THE HEAT OFF HIMSELF..HE IS IN A FIGHT FOR HIS LIFE...
THIS IS SOMEONE WHO IS USED TO FIGHTING FOR HIS SURVIVAL.

BUT THIS TIME, IT SEEMS TO ME, HE HAS A DEFINITE AGENDA..AND HE WANTS TO DO WHATEVER IT IS HE IS ATTEMPTING ..HE WANTS TO DO IT HIMSELF ..FOR HIMSELF, AND HE DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO GET IN HIS WAY...
AND HE IS SENDING THREATS...IN MANY DIRECTIONS!

THIS IS A VERY DISTURBED YOUNG MAN.

FLY

[flyarm]

206. OHHH SFEXPAT..YOUR TWO PEOPLE THEORY...

i think is dead on...
in Noreen's audio from last June she said when johnny came to see her in 1997 he said he was in danger...
but Noreen also said johnny was with another young man who qualified all johnny was telling her..noreen also said the two boys/young men were hiding in Indian reservations..because they were sovereign and they could not be reached by law inforcement..
so saying that ..if Gannon is johnny, he may still have that other person with him in some way..

look only the strong survive what those kids were put through..but only the very strongest get away from it by running away..if johnny was with another young man..i doubt he would abandon that person now..after all they had a damn horrific life together ..they are each others survival..they have that history together..and they survived together.
they could easily be each others alter ego.

and they could be sharing the writing duties, but since they are tied together by survival and life history, they could very well sound very similar in style, and yet altogether different.

just a thought on this..fly

[fooj]

160. That's why he doesn't like the chipmunk comparison-prefers "badger"

I see that lack of direction almost as a sense of urgency. IMO

[libertypirate]

184. Some under tones...

He is supporting those that he has been depicting himself as being against.

<snip>
Actually, I like the guy, we've talked on the phone several times. I wish him luck and am pleased that others will gain from what I pioneered. Now I'm looking for a conservative blogger to step up and get in there!
</snip>

He also has pointed to many stories that illustrate the power of the new media.

I would go as far as to say he acts as if he is encouraging those who sought his demise to keep up the good work.

Here is something
<snip>
9:43pm

White House correspondent Les Kinsolving, who is recovering from triple-bypass surgery following a January heart attack, wrote of the colorful history of the Washington press corps, for World Net Daily in 2002. I send my best wishes and continued prayers to Les and his wonderful wife.
</snip>

He is thoughtful enough to remember someone right in the middle of one of the biggest scandals to ever hit the American government.

This boy knows what's going on.

One of two possible scenarios he playing us from the other side or he is nudging us telling us to keep it.

Opinions however are like butt holes everyone’s got one.

lp

[libertypirate]

237. Try to rewrite Jeff's words to mean the same thing with....

different sentence structure but instill the same meaning. or try at least.

Let's do a little simplification...

Tells the world about his love for Helen Thomas, and points to a piece that is really truthful about Bush.

Treats fair Gannon news fairly; not bias fair accurate fair.

He met Mr. Biden, wants the world to know it. Mr. Biden is like Jeff who?

He says he knows he affected the SD Daschle campaign.

Pointing out that the old media again focusing the story away from the story and about him being gay. Using the cultural issue to sensationalize the story away from what is important.

He’s happy to talk about it, glad to talk about it, and wants to talk about it, even plans on talking a lot more about it. He really just wants to talk about it.

My synopsis is he is telling his story in the blog, the Whitehouse Moscow tape diversion was a don’t look at the blog for the story. In a Moscow bookstore nearest you!

[imaginary girl]

102. Sure, no problem.

[sojourner]

108. Looks like you got all the readers you need

but if you have some more...I'm in for a bit here, just for this evening.

BTW - I think we're all starting to think along the same lines. With this exception: I tend to believe that JDG is much brighter than we're giving him credit for. Whether he is or isn't Johnny.

And he does read these threads. And by now, who knows who else does as well. Just sayin' -- well. I don't really want to say out loud.

The openness of the research is our salvation - I would bet anything on that. And maybe JDG's visibility is his.

Not a therapist, but a psychology professor. The stuff these kids are put through is exactly what makes them malleable for use as "spooks" later (the more adept, that is) -- which is my guess about JDG's "missing years". But as advanced as psyc ops and other "mind control" stuff is, the human spirit defies anyone's ability to completely control or predict behavior. Thanks be for our frontal cortices!!

[EFerrari]

126. Hey, sojo

I studied under Janet Adelman at Cal, and my husband is a borderline. A wonderful, recovering borderline. And I thank anyone listening to me for this day. lol

You are the professional, I only have accidental experience, albeit a good deal of it. And what I see is maybe a victim trying to get out or to get straight. What a mess.

But any personality type has a survival instinct, That is what I'm seeing here.

(This free unlicensed medical advice is only worth that much. Beth.)

[sojourner]

131. Got to agree with you 100%!!!

Actually, couldn't keep my trap shut once people started talking about psychology. See further comments upthread - #128.
:hi:

[EFerrari]

143. LOL! Thanks, I will. n/t

[EFerrari]

151. Reading your post, I see we agree that a being will protect itself.

So, if I can go there, someone who is subject to 31 flavors of trauma, as Johnny Gosch may have been, IF he survived, would be at an elevated risk to dissociate.

(And believe me, I don't say that as some kind of magical word. We deal with that every day around here. Am just trying to scope out the possibilities.)

Thanks for your contribution,
Beth

[foreigncorrespondent]

136. I'm about to step out for...

...a job interview, but later on tonight when I'm not doing anything, I will gladly read what ever needs to be read.

If you need more help, just PM me with the details of what I am reading, and what I am looking for, and I gladly help out any way I can. :)

[nonny]

93. Well Andy, I let you down.

I saved the screen shots of Gannon from the Anderson Cooper video into a word doc and now I can't do a thing with them. It has been very frustrating, and I am going to give up. And my mouse is acting all weird.

:argh:

[Andy_Stephenson]

99. You didn't let me down...

Holy mackerel...how could you say that? You have gone way beyond the call of duty. PFFFFT let me down...indeed!

:loveya:

[EFerrari]

101. Nonny, I'm a graphical person and I have also wanted to kill my

mouse.

If I can help in any way, please pm me.

Now, I may not be ABLE to help out but sure am with you in spirit.
b.

[nonny]

105. Thanks guys.............

[New Earth]

113. if you can open the image in the word doc

can't you just do a screen shot ("print screen")of that and then save as image? or is it that your document won't open at all?

[Up2Late]

96. I found this last night at Gannongate, it's a few weeks old. but...

I don't think I've seen a lot of it here. It's very big, so I'm only posting a tiny bit of it here. (Things in parenthases are links I didn't copy)

<http://www.propagannon.com/propagannoninformation#comment-490>

TKE meeting minutes have been intermittently offline during the past day. I have archived copies if this continues to be a problem.

Here's what we've got at this point:

May 5, 1957: "Jeff Gannon" born James Dale Guckert (SusanG)

~1975-~1980: James D. Guckert attends West Chester College (now West Chester University) and joins TKE fraternity.

August 1, 1980: Guckert awarded Instruction I teaching certficate in social studies by PA (PA Department of Education)

????-????: Possibly in the marines (reserves?) (military.com)

October 18, 1996: Tax judgment filed for failure to pay Delaware state income tax over a multi-year period (court document, via billmon)

April 10, 1997: Bedrock corporation incorporated in Delaware (Delware Secretary of State)

December, 1998: Gannon/Guckert attends Christmas orgy. (Washington Blade, Feb. 18, 2004)

August 31, 1999: First invoice for porn site design. Name used is "Jeff" (Warning: link not work safe AmericaBlog)

September 27, 1999: GOPUSA.com registered (whois)
Record created on 27-Sep-1999.

February 23, 2000: underwear photo uploaded to AOL (timestamp reported by FTP)

(lot's more at link)

[merh]

107. Thanks Up2Late, we have seen that time line, the only problem

is we don't know how it is that SusanG has verified that JD Guckert of WCU 1980 is the same Guckert that uses the alias Jeff Gannon.

We aren't convinced because she has only stated it as fact and did not back up her conclusions with any evidence, that is why we would like a photo of the JDGuckert from 1980.

We have that same basic time line, we just don't know for certain if that JD Guckert is Gannon or if Gannon assumed that identity.

[Up2Late]

124. I think SusanG post at Daily COS a lot, What I'm looking into is...

...and what I'm wondering about is:

1) Could he be from the Witness Protection Program?

2) Is there a Moonie connection? (Washington Times)

3) Is he a Moonie? Bush Sr. does have a LOT of contacts with Rev. Moon

4) Is there any connection between "Franklin Cover-up" & the (Neil Bush) "Lincoln Savings & Loan" scandal?

Plus more...

Here are some resources I'm looking at:

These two sites have a bunch of links when you click the Links tab

<http://www.howcultswork.com/>

<http://www.cultwatch.com/>

Former Moonie (now very Anti-Moonie)
<http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/>

[nonny]

103. I have never heard of "flopping"

Let me answer your questions about what I did with the pictures of Gannon and Gosch.

First of all --- I am not a "professional" at this. I use Photoshop 4.0 and I have never heard of "flopping"

This was my first attempt in Wrinkle 4 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3196579#3212673

There are not that many photos out there to work with.

Merh and Mordarlar suggested that I use the picture of the smiling Gannon and "flip" it to face the same way as the Gosch picture. (good idea)

First I cropped each photo to include just the head and sized it 256 x 320.
The smiling Gannon picture had to be greatly enlarged to match in size the Gosch picture. (not so great to work with because it was pixilated)
Image -- rotate canvas -- flip horizontal this is what I referred to as flipping.
Working with the Gannon layer -- I set the opacity to 50% this way I could see the photo below.
Layer -- transform -- scale (maintaining proportion) I made it larger to match (eyeballing it) the size of the photo below it.
Layer -- transform -- rotate I rotated the photo on top to line up the eyes with the photo below.
That's it.
Then I just show many views of the same double picture with the opacity of the top picture at different levels.

It turned out like this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3214059#3214923

:argh:

[sojourner]

110. Loved your technique, Nonny!

It gives a great view of the larger features, and allows them to "emerge". Thanks too for posting your methodology!! Transparency...that's our motto!!

[EFerrari]

115. Nonny! You and I have done the same workout!

I'm a painter, not a techie, and have had more success than I deserve, I guess with handling files.

Thank you so much for what you've done. It's been the most arresting piece.

(Please don't hurt yourself over it.)

Beth

[understandinglife]

123. Please check your PM. If I can help, I will. (nt)

[Up2Late]

127. I have a question. Have you tried, or can you try to...

age progress the Gannon Picture (that has been compared to Guckert Sr.) to the same age as Guckert Sr.?

That could be telling.

[nonny]

132. I don't know how to even begin to do that.

[Up2Late]

157. You ever heard of a program (or was it a Photoshop plug in?) called...

Goo? It's a Morphing program. I thought that program could with that.

Where did the Age Progression of Johnny Gosch come from originally, anyway?

[nonny]

163. Age progressions came from Child Search

There is the missing child flyer for Johnny -- with his real picture, description and 2 age progression links. These 2 photos have the "ears" that don't match his.
http://www.childsearch.org/john_gosch.html

I haven't heard of Goo. Its been several years since I studied Photoshop. I haven't kept up with it or what is new.

[Up2Late]

226. I found several Photo Morphs programs that can be downloaded

I don't yet know if any will do an Age progression (I doubt it) If you want to try them, Google "Photo" and "morph."

Where in the wrinkles are the current photos?

[nonny]

249. Wrinkle 4 post #226

Wrinkle 4 post #226
How about this one? posted by merh March 3

I don't know where it came from originally.

I can't get there this morning to give you the link.
(Dial-up)
:argh:

I think the learning curve for age progression (well done) is probably pretty high.

[Donailin]

114. OTOH, there's this to consider

Just assume that Noreens ex is correct here, that Johnny never visited her in 97, well that would certainly explain her reason for not immediately recognizing her son when the gannon scandal broke last month. It would also explain her silence as of yet, perhaps she is also comparing photos at this time. This also begs the question, did they even let Johnny live? His father, who is implicated (sort of) in the abduction seems awfully sure Johnny didn't visit Noreen. Why would he say that?


http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3886761c4a1d.htm

To: Fred Mertz
Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

Father Skeptical That Johnny Gosch Visited Mother in 1997
ROBERT DORR ; WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER
Omaha World-Herald; NEWS; Pg. 17
February 9, 1999, Tuesday IOWA EDITION

The father of a Des Moines newspaper carrier who disappeared more than 16 years ago said he is skeptical of his ex-wife's statement that their son showed up at her apartment in 1997.

"Apparently, she's trying to get more publicity or whatever to get on a talk show so she could go where it's warm," John Gosch said of Noreen Gosch's testimony.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Gosch said that if their son had returned to the Des Moines area, he probably would have gone to the couple's home, where John Gosch was living and where Johnny Gosch grew up, instead of his mother's apartment.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Their son, Johnny Gosch, was 12 years old when he vanished Sept. 5, 1982. His wagon was found about two blocks from his home, filled with copies of the Des Moines Sunday Register he was to deliver.

Noreen Gosch had not publicly mentioned having a 1997 visit with her son before her testimony Friday in U.S. District Court in Lincoln.

She testified in a case involving the imprisoned Lawrence E. King Jr., former head of the failed Franklin Community Federal Credit Union of Omaha.

John Gosch said that if their son had returned to the Des Moines area, he probably would have gone to the couple's home, where John Gosch was living and where Johnny Gosch grew up, instead of his mother's apartment.

Responding on Monday, Noreen Gosch said: "I would think any father would be delighted that his son is alive instead of trying to attack the boy's mother."

The couple divorced in 1993.

Noreen Gosch met Monday with police officers for about an hour and told them about the brief reunion she says she had with her son.
"In the past she told us something similar to this and then chose to recant it," West Des Moines Police Capt. Bob Rushing said earlier.

Monday night, West Des Moines police said two detectives had been assigned to investigate the new information in the Gosch case.

For years, Noreen Gosch has said that she that her son was taken by a ring of international pornographers who abuse children.

Johnny Gosch was with another man when he arrived at her West Des Moines apartment, she said. She didn't learn the other man's identity, she said.

Noreen Gosch said her son, who would now be 29, asked her not to reveal that he had contacted her because it would endanger him.

Asked why she didn't place her son under police protection in 1997, she said that she didn't have that option. "They would have left immediately if I had tried to call the police," she said.

Noreen Gosch said she has not heard from her son since that meeting and doesn't know his whereabouts.

She told about the 1997 encounter last week while testifying in a civil case against King, who is serving a term in a federal prison in Colorado for embezzling millions of dollars from the Franklin Credit Union, which he headed.

Paul A. Bonacci, 31, of Omaha, claims in a 1991 lawsuit against King and 15 other defendants that he was a victim of sexual abuse. All the other defendants have been cleared and dismissed from the case.

In 1997, U.S. District Judge Warren Urbom said, "There has not been one word of evidence ... to support Bonacci's claims."

King has not responded to Bonacci's lawsuit. Thus, Urbom entered a default judgment against King and must determine any damages.

At the court hearing, Noreen Gosch testified about her visits with Bonacci, who claimed in 1991 that he rode in a car that was used to abduct Johnny Gosch.

Polk County Attorney John Sarcone said investigators concluded that Bonacci's story was not credible.

[sojourner]

120. But then there's this ---

Ted Gunderson's report states that in Bonacci vs. King, Ubom awarded Bonacci 1 mill dollars (800k in damages and 200k punitive) and apologized to Bonacci for previously discounting his story.

http://www.johnnygosch.com/gunderson_report.html

And from free republic in June, 1999 there's this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b26863d4c19.htm

Makes Mr. Gosch sound a little less credible in my view.

[intheflow]

134. Uh-huh!

That Free Republic reference is very interesting. It must be true that the extremes on the left and the right can bend around to meet!

[sojourner]

135. yeppers! n/t

[Synnical]

142. Satanic Ritual Abuse is a bloody myth!

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm

It is important to realize that the above definition is relatively restrictive. It excludes a number of behaviors which are known to exist:

Abuse by non-Satanic, abusive pedophiles who pretend to be Satanists in order to gain better control of their victims through fear.

Mass murderers by a person who claims to be a Satanist and who tries to use the "Devil made me do it" defense when arrested. They are generally found to have little or no knowledge of Satanism.

Abuse and murder by psychotic individuals and psychopaths who are primarily motivated by their mental illness, not by any religious belief system.

Abuse by non-Satanists who engage in behaviors like SRA but are motivated by Christian or other beliefs.

Estimates of the number of SRA murders in the U.S. and Canada have ranged from 0 (among skeptics) to 60,000 (among believers in the widespread nature of SRA). It is a unusual type of crime for which no reliable statistics are available.

[intheflow]

187. Are you saying it does or doesn't exist?

You title says you don't believe it, the body of your post suggests you do believe it, and religioustolerance.org says they're highly skeptical but includes documents that support SRA occurrence.

It was an interesting read, though.

[BamaBecky]

248. Ahh the Satanist will be soooo happy you posted this! n/t

[EFerrari]

121. Maybe he couldn't handle being part of it. n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

122. "That would certainly

explain her reason for not immediately recognizing her son."

Not really. How do you know she did not recognize him? Perhaps she feels a need to protect him. I know if he were my son I would do the same.

[Donailin]

125. I don't KNOW anymore than anyone else

but I have children and if I saw my lost stolen on TV, I would not be silent, I would have immediately contacted him. But I'm not her, so I say nothing is certain. I'm just not letting wishful thinking get in my way, not tonight, anyway. Have a care, Andy, even a good investigator plays devils advocate with his own work. I'm not dissing any work of yours, I'm just trying to fit some pieces like everyone else.

[Andy_Stephenson]

129. No no...I understand the Devils advocate position!

I guess I am a bit more...shall we say sure. Now..Granted I could be totally off the mark here...it could happen. But dayum! The photographic evidence speaks volumes to me.

I imagine there are a lot of things going on in the background that even I am not aware of. I would suspect she has already contacted him...if it is infact him...

But there is something gnawing at me...I expounded to sfexpat today via phone. Something I would rather not go into here in public. But I have a gnawing discomfort with parts of this whole thing. Something does not sit right with me.

[understandinglife]

148. By now, it should be crystal clear to anyone who has followed...

...these threads that IF 'Gannon/Guckert' is Johnny Gosch, the consequences are overwhelming, unprecedented, and potentially catastrophic.

Now, imagine one person, with that type of power.

(And, who are his "associates" -- because, I assure you if Gannon/Guckert is Johnny Gosch, he is part of a very sophisticated group).

Think about it.

Even IF 'Gannon/Guckert' is not Johnny Gosch, he is a very powerful person; one whom we currently still have no verified background.

What we know informs us, tonight, precisely how little we know about Gannon/Guckert/?Gosch/???? How little anyone knows. And, those with the resources to determine who he is, seem determined not to even try.

I wonder why.

Just how powerful is this person?

Peace.

[sojourner]

164. Yeah...I think many of us are coming to be on the same page. n/t

[fooj]

182. You are spot on! IMO-just the fact that we lack "history" on this dude

raises the stakes. Considerably. Peace!

[Donailin]

246. Yes.

(mornin', everyone BTW)

I proposed this in an earlier post. Let's assume he is Gosch. The ramifications are boggling to the mind. It would mean he could bring down so many people; the PTB would never allow this. I suppose they might think no one would ever believe him if he were to talk, but if he had some sort of evidence? I would think they would kill him.

[burn the bush]

181. Wouldn't Gunderson have put the info on his own web site first?

Who do you know that would go through years of working on a case and then let someone else put it in print first?

that's one thing about it that seemed funny to me.

[understandinglife]

193. Someone who is very confident and comfortable with who they are. (nt)

[libertypirate]

192. Me too...

I think we have a chance to push this into the correct light.

[sojourner]

147. Well.......I have children too, but

if mine had showed up out of the blue several years after being kidnapped - told me what Noreen says Johnny told her - then vanished for several years more and PRESTO! appeared on TV and all over blogdom, I'd be silent as a mouse and wait for him to come to me.

Period. The maternal impulse to help your young survive is stronger than any other...and some mothers really do have such impulses.

[flyarm]

216. sojourner..i said that in the very first thread

if my son had been kidnapped..first of all i would be in a nut house...but that aside..if i had experienced that horror..and had seen the way the law enforcement handled this case and had seen all noreen has seen..and how high up the criminals are..and believe me she knows it all..she knows how many have died to get this story out..she knows how crooked the grand jury was when the other children came forward, she knows that they were made the criminals and the criminals the victims...she knows..she knows it all and then some...

now under those circumstances, if my son showed up and told me he was in danger...grave danger...
even if i had to testify under oath..they could pull my fingernails out one by one, and i would never ever ever give my son up..she knows it would be a death sentence for her son...she did testify that she saw him...she is a very good woman...

i would not have told anyone i saw my son ..not for anyone! if i knew my son survived , and i knew i could not have him back in my life..but for reasons of life and death..they would have to kill me..i would never give my child up..

if you have read the franklin cover up book you would know that all the way through ..the children who came forward were persecuted even when they told the truth, and even when they put their lives in jeopardy to tell the truth and stop these monsters..a couple of those kids lost family members..and the naive can think they weren't killed to shut those kids up..but those deaths did not pass unnoticed by those kids, nor the significance of their deaths..nor the reasons....nor did those deaths pass un noticed by noreen!
she knows each and everyday that her sons life is in jeopardy.

this is a woman who has suffered enormously..she has a hole in her heart and gut..in so many ways...she will not give her son up ..unless he asks her help to.

fly

[sojourner]

223. amen, fly, amen

Haven't read the book all the way through but the bits and pieces of other articles I HAVE read surely convinced me of how dangerous this situation is. Evil, evil people. Evil. Brrr.....

[flyarm]

241. sojourner..you must read the book..

i read it years ago , but have reread it last yr..and i will tell you..the grand jury on the franklin case was rigged ..tow of the children ended up indicted..alisha owens ( she was sentanced to 5 yrs in prison for cashing $700.00 of bad checks) and bonacci ..and they were made into the criminals ..not the damn perps..and the investigator who taped the children who was murdered in the plane crash was made the scape goat..they said he was going to profit from misdirecting the children..that he lead them in testifying to lies..they called the claims by the children a hoax...
the entire grad jury was rigged and the children were threatened by the proscecutor ..and much of what went on in the grand jury was leaked to the media which is very much against the law..ohhh it stunk to high heaven...those kids werent victims once by just the perps..they were victims by us ( metephorically)..we the people , by the very systen that is supposed to protect them...

then when it was exposed how crooked and rigged the grand jury was , a county assistant attorney was put in charge of investigating the grand jury and he was involved in the franklin case...
and the very people who were helping the children were called rumour mongers...

yes ..its the rich and powerful who are the ones who get away with high crimes and misdomeaners!! and treason!!

many in the mid west still today believe this all revolved around drug running...

these kids never had a chance at childhood, and when the system was supposed to work to at least let them move into adulthood and get their lives back..it still failed them in every way!
and believe me this isnt about any one party...this is about how f'ed up our country can be when money and power are involved.
my heart aches every day for these young people.
fly

[sojourner]

144. I've assumed from the beginning that her silence was based on

a desire to protect him.

I hate to say this, cuz I don't know the fella, but Mr. Gosch doesn't really endear himself to me with his comments about the mother.

[EFerrari]

155. That's right. He's pretty unlovable most of the time. n/t

[fooj]

162. sfexpat2000- I'm going to PM you, OK? Need to speak with you.

[imaginary girl]

154. If she wanted publicity from it, why did she ...

If she wanted publicity from it, why did she wait until she had to testify in court? I don't think that's a very credible line of reasoning on the father's part.

[earth mom]

137. Looks like things have slowed down a bit...

I haven't had a chance to post...spent much of the day just trying to keep up with it all! Thanks for everyones hard work!

I've been wondering...has anyone contacted Gannon? Via email or maybe even found his phone number and called him? I'm too chicken to do it, but have been wondering what his reply to the question; "Are you Johnny Gosch?" would be.....?

Also, wasn't Paul Bonacci (sp) the guy who was recently arrested for child porn? And didn't Noreen Gosch say it was the same guy?

Lastly, vote in this poll in the politics forum-Is JimmyJeff Johnny?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1645940

[Andy_Stephenson]

141. Paul Bishop was the one arrested.

Not Paul Bonacci.

[earth mom]

145. Thanks for the reply Andy...

Okay...Paul Bishop. He was the undercover agent-CIA?-right?

[Andy_Stephenson]

150. Supposedly

but he was recently arrested for child pornography.

[EFerrari]

243. Not mutually exclusive? Look at all the stuff we've had to

be in contact with, just trying to put two and two together.

[Catherine Vincent]

170. I am really besides myself that Gannon hasn't appeared on

television. He has his blog...we really don't know he's writing it. He appeared on the radio Sunday...we really don't know if this was recorded weeks ago. I know the invitations haven't just stopped. Surely he's had several offers to appear on shows like Countdown, CNN and probably even Fox News.

Come on Jeff. Show yourself! (no pun intended?)

[Andy_Stephenson]

138. Nonny...where is all the comparisons you have done of the photos?

are they all in one place? or scattered?

I need a link where it is all in ne place...I am having trouble finding the page in demopedia.

[intheflow]

146. In Demopedia

There's a search box in the upper right corner. Type in gannongate wrinkles, it'll take you right there.

You can also type in gannon, gannongate, or wrinkles. A list of 2 pages will come up: Jeff Gannon, and Gannongate Wrinkles. Click on wrinkles.

OR go to the Jeff Gannon page (listed in the propaganda category). I included a link to the wrinkles page at the bottom of the Jeff Gannon page.

Or, what the hell--just follow this link: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Gannongate_Wrinkles

:hi:

[Andy_Stephenson]

153. Danke....

Schon

[nonny]

158. Just playing around

[EFerrari]

161. Awesome. I've been reading. Which graphic is this, Nonny? nt

[fooj]

165. Check your in-box, ok?

:crazy:

[Andy_Stephenson]

173. What what???

Inquiring minds wanna know.

[fooj]

185. Seems we had a psychic connection today.

I saw your post about being uneasy- ME, TOO! I wanted to physically talk to someone today about it but I didn't think we could ask to do that. Silly me. You know what, Andy? I'm feeling a bit frightened.:scared: If we are on the right road I want a different map!!! Geez...

[understandinglife]

197. Yes.

Quite reasonable reaction, fooj. If we are on 'the right road' it leads to a truly evil place.

But, it doesn't have to end there.

In fact, we must do all we can to expose that evil place, eliminate it, and then do all we can to help others never allow it to happen again.

Peace.

[nonny]

172. Same one as on his website

Same as the one used to compare to Gosch Sr.

I just had to get out of the rotten mood, and just and do a little manipulation.

How's the reading going. I kinda feel bad that everyone is working hard tonight except me.
Tomorrow I will do better.

[Andy_Stephenson]

175. Good lord nonny...

Stop beating yourself up! That is an order!

:hi:

[merh]

177. nonny, nonny, nonny

don't be a ninny, your understanding of photoshop and ability to put the images together to make the comparisons easier for the rest of us has helped us tremendously. You have nothing to feel guilty bad about, you should be proud of your contributions. For such a new DUer, you have not only made yourself at home with ease and grace, but you have contributed to our little community tremendously!

:hug:

[sojourner]

180. I'm new here too and I've been amazed at how much you've been

able to do!!! So, manipulate and have fun. Unless we can extort some info out of these "reading" guys, and you can get your mind off this for a bit. Kidding about extortion. Sorta.

[mordarlar]

219. Damn, nonny you have done SO much already. We are all so grateful to you.

[Catherine Vincent]

174. Well this looks like the pic from his website.

Please tell me there isn't another one morphed into that?:wow:

[stillcool]

176. I'm an avid lurker here.........

but just wanted to contribute to the conversation. Due to these threads i started reading 'Journey into Madness' the true story of secret CIA mind control and medical abuse. Haven't been able to put it down..(except to read these threads)...lots of insight...so much of what is going on is forcing our history out of the closet. Also, the other night looking at Guck/Gan's blog the tabs on the top of the page were really pissy..paint trucks, IRS, Several Dating Sites, just struck me as bizarre, and curious about the intent. He seems to me to be quite the control freak, having his ducks lined up well in advance.

[Catherine Vincent]

189. Hi there!

I visit Gannon's blog often. What tabs are you getting? I don't see any.

[stillcool]

201. Its this one......and hi to you!

http://members.aol.com/jdg17/

[sojourner]

178. I'm sending pm to a coupla folks...

sfexpat2000, mordarlar.............okay?

[merh]

183. Can I have one?

I'm feeling left out!

[fooj]

186. Ah honey...I'll send you one if you'd like!

:scared: Merh-this keeps getting crazier by the minute. I need a hug!

[merh]

190. Please do, I feel left out.

Yes, this is crazy, wilder than I could ever imagine and scarey at shit! :scared:

:pals: I appreciate you and all the others that are working so hard on this. :grouphug: I apologize for not being helpful tonight, long day at work and other things have prevented me from being able to help. Thanks again and here's a :hug:

[sojourner]

191. yes...yes....

[mordarlar]

214. I sent a reply : )

[imaginary girl]

195. Gannon's website (www.jeffgannon.com)

A few observations:

I couldn't seem to view the page source -- can somebody else? I'm a little curious as to whether the page uses frames, as it seems odd that there is decent writing in two of the columns and such poor writing in the far left column. And uneven editing problems, which to me suggests not just more than one writer, but perhaps more than one webmaster? I don't know ... it's late. Maybe I'm making that all up.

The more recent posts seem tamer than last week's.

The way "But a conservative reporter needs to be thoroughly investigated" is set off by itself from the rest of his comments (Feb 28) in that entry seems odd. Seems like it's being emphasized and it seems to change the meaning of the sentence entirely. A signal or exhortation of some kind (as in "somebody needs to investigate me very thoroughly"?

Some of the remarks seem to reflect his male escort past, though these references are sprinkled very unevenly throughout the text.

His use of the title "the usual suspects" intrigued me. I looked up a review of the movie to refresh myself and found this in one ... kind of interesting ...

This is a film about five men who are hauled into the New York police station because a crime was committed and they are the usual suspects. They all agree to do a job together for a little revenge. However, little do they know that someone else has the strings and that they are all the puppets--all because each of them crossed the wrong person at the wrong time. After the big job, 27 people are dead, and there are two survivors. But the question is...who's the one controlling everything?

Summary written by thexotherxchris

A couple other items I'll be following up ...

[understandinglife]

198. Here's the page source as of 2221 PST, 7 March 2005:

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Me<br>
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Bruised
but not broken</font><font color="#FFFFFF" size="3" face="Arial"><br>
<br>
</font></b><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2">I'm 
baaaaaaack!  If you thought I was going to slink away - then you
don't know much about me.  Someone still has to battle the Left and
now that I've emerged from  the crucible, I'm stronger than before.<br>
<br>
Despite all the pleas from the Left to go over to the 'dark side' and
expose the 'corrupt Bush administration' simply isn't going to
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For the last two years, the Old Media figures at the White House thought
of me as a gadfly, a right-winger with an agenda, harmless, someone to be
ignored.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>From time to time
there were grumbles among some of the reporters and one or two
confrontations, but there was never a serious attempt to remove me from
their midst.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>During my tenure
I developed some good friends there who welcomed the refreshing
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wasn’t until I asked “The Question” that everything abruptly
changed.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Initially, my
colleagues had no reaction to the query posed to President Bush.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> 
</span>It wasn’t until Rush Limbaugh drew attention to it that there was
any interest at all.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>But that
was enough to get a liberal group dedicated to attacking conservatives in
the media to mobilize.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>It was
horrified that the relentless string of hostile and a few downright
disrespectful questions had been broken.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes">  </span>My greater sin in their eyes, however was that I dared to
suggest that two Senate Democratic leaders held an illogical view of the
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</a></font><font color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial" size="5">Gannonblog<br>
</font><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF"><b><br>
</b>March 7, 2005<br>
<br>
Mark Jurkowitz of the Boston Globe presents a one-sided view of the
Washington press corps, failing to acknowledge that there might be liberal
bias at work or a political agenda being pursued by some news
agencies.  This from a newspaper that many times sounded like a
mouthpiece for the Kerry campaign.  <a href="http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles/2005/03/07/communication_or_manipulation/">STORY</a> <br>
<br>
7:30am<br>
<br>
Randell Beck, editor of the Sioux Falls (SD) Argus Leader simultaneously
tells readers not to trust what is found on blogs but then repeats distortions from them in discussing Gannongate.  <a href="http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/COLUMNISTS01/503060308/1057/COLUMNISTS">STORY</a><br>
<br>
7:17am<br>
<br>
The New York Times is hailing the first blogger to be issued a "day
pass" to a White House press briefing.  It goes to great lengths
to play up his genealogical background in journalism, but fails to mention
that the Vermont native served as deputy national press secretary on
Howard Dean's presidential campaign last year.  Hmmm...no political
ties there!  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/07/technology/07press.html">STORY</a><br>
<br>
According to the "Gannon Standard", I am expecting to see other
bloggers' reports on his sexual and financial history as well as some
conspiracy theories about who this guy is.  <br>
<br>
Actually, I like the guy, we've talked on the phone several times.  I
wish him luck and am pleased that others will gain from what I
pioneered.  Now I'm looking for a conservative blogger to step up and
get in there!<br>
<br>
5:45am<br>
<br>
March 6, 2005<br>
<br>
I just finished up on the Steve Yuhas Show, and was glad to finally get a
chance to talk about the important elements of this story.  I'll be
doing more of this from this point on and I have a lot to say.  There
is so much more to this story that has yet to be told.<br>
<br>
10:01pm<br>
<br>
***MEDIA ADVISORY***<br>
<br>
I will be a guest on the <a href="http://www.steveyuhas.com/">Steve Yuhas
Show</a> Sunday night, March 6 at 9:00pm EST.  The segment will be LIVE -
I'll be talking about Gannongate and the Hyper-Hysterical (and not in a
funny way) Homosexual Hypocrites and their enablers in the Old Media who
played the "gay card" to try to destroy me.<br>
<br>
"I'm here, I'm conservative.  Get used to it!"<br>
<br>
5:58pm<br>
<br>
A sore loser from the failed re-election bid of Sen. Tom Daschle complains
about my coverage of last year's race, but says it didn't have any
effect.  So what's the beef Hildy?  <a href="http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2005/03/06/front/top/news01.txt">STORY</a><br>
<br>
4:17pm<br>
<br>
I watched a clip of Sen. Joe Biden on Bill Maher's HBO crapfest.  I
wonder why he didn't mention meeting me some years ago.  C'mon Joe,
think...<br>
<br>
1:18pm<br>
<br>
More interesting observations about the Washington press elite from Fred
Brown in the Denver Post.  <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~145~2743735,00.html">STORY<br>
<br>
</a>12:47pm<br>
<br>
James Joyner wieghs in with an interesting observation on the Outside the
Beltway blog, <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/9501">Why
is Sgrena Called a Journalist?</a><br>
<br>
12:40pm<br>
<br>
The impartial Helen Thomas takes a break from her Bush-bashing column to
share her views about Gannongate.  <a href="http://www.troyrecord.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14087628&BRD=1170&PAG=461&dept_id=7021&rfi=6">STORY</a>  
She was interviewed during an appearance at Siena College's First Woman
President Symposium held coincidentally following the release of its own
poll that said a majority of Americans are ready for a female
commander-in-chief and that Hillary Clinton should run in 2008.<br>
<br>
10:15am<br>
<br>
Johanna Neuman of the Chicago Tribune has an interesting article about
the White House press corps.  <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0502270492feb27,1,2642071.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true">STORY</a><br>
<br>
Doug Schmitz at MichNews.com takes a thorough look at Gannongate with <a href="http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_7032.shtml">The
White House press clubhouse: No conservatives allowed</a>.<br>
<br>
8:27am<br>
<br>
***MEDIA ADVISORY***<br>
<br>
I will be a guest on the <a href="http://www.steveyuhas.com/">Steve Yuhas
Show</a> Sunday night, March 6.  The segment will be LIVE - I'm
coming out swinging and fighting back!<br>
<br>
8:00am<br>
<br>
Frank Rich gives Maureen Dowd a run for her money to be the most asinine
columnist at New York Times with <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/arts/06rich.html?8hpib">Gonzo
Gone, Rather Going, Watergate Still Here</a>, but Maureen still manages to
maintain a two-Prozac edge.<br>
<br>
7:25am</font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">Russell
Cobb of the Daily Texan implies that I drove Hunter Thompson to suicide in
<a href="http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2005/02/23/Opinion/From-Gonzo.Journalism.To.Bootlicking-873420.shtml">Gonzo
Journalism to Bootlicking</a>.<br>
<b><br>
</b>6:05am<b><br>
<br>
</b>March 5, 2005<br>
<br>
CK Rairden, managing editor of the National Ledger is talking about <a href="http://www.nationalledger.com/scribe/archives/2005/03/the_post_jeff_g.shtml">The
Post-Jeff Gannon Era</a>.<br>
<br>
9:43pm<br>
<br>
White House correspondent Les Kinsolving, who is recovering from
triple-bypass surgery following a January heart attack, wrote of the
colorful history of the Washington press corps, for World Net Daily in
2002.  <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27833">STORY</a> 
I send my best wishes and continued prayers to Les and his wonderful wife.<br>
<br>
1:01pm<br>
<br>
March 4, 2005<br>
<b><br>
</b>Congressional Democrats continue their assault on a free press with an
unprecedented request for an inquiry into a conservative journalist who
attended White House briefings for the last two years.  <a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000827011">STORY</a> 
Who is behind this 21st Century McCarthyism?  <a href="usual_suspects__rep.htm">THE
USUAL SUSPECTS</a><br>
<br>
3:05pm<br>
<br>
House Democrats are clamoring for an investigation into how a journalist
was allowed inside the White House press room.  Jennifer Harper at
the Washington Times quotes Rep. Louise Slaughter saying, "This is a
matter of national security..."  <a href="http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20050303-110422-9026r">STORY</a><br>
<b><br>
</b>
8:51am<br>
<b><br>
</b>
Ohio Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur signs onto the "Divorced From Reality™"
team in an article from the Toledo Blade in which she claims I
misrepresented her remarks TWO YEARS AGO and then proceeds to take a big
gulp of the conspiracy Kool-Aid.  <a href="http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050304/NEWS09/503040327/-1/NEWS">STORY</a><b><br>
<br>
</b>8:34am<b><br>
<br>
</b>March 3, 2005</font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">Democrats
unveiled "the house that Daschle built" Tuesday night.  The
new headquarters for the National Democratic Senatorial Committee will
bear the name of the former Minority Leader who was FIRED by constituents
last November.  The Sioux Falls (SD) Argus Leader presents a wistful
account of the unveiling, <a href="http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050303/NEWS03/503030309/1001/NEWS">Democrats
name building for Daschle</a>.  The former South Dakota senator was
the first party leader turned out of office since 1952 - that's something
to be remembered for.<br>
<br>
2:03pm<br>
<br>
Steve Yuhas, a terrific radio host in Southern California scores with </font><a href="http://www.steveyuhas.com/column.html"><span style="font-family: arial"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0099FF">Media
Matters for America <i>Doesn’t</i>: David Brock is just one angry Mary</font></span></a><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: arial"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">. 
</font></span><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2"><span style="font-family: arial">Ha!</span><br>
<br>
12:51pm<br>
<br>
Brent Bozell, president of Media Research Center has a an article posted
at Townhall.com where he asks, <a href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brentbozell/bb20050303.shtml">Is
the liberal media dead?</a>.  Seriously wounded maybe and still
dangerous, I'd say.<br>
<br>
12:30pm<br>
<br>
After a month of Media Matters for America smearing me as a political
operative instead of the independent conservative journalist that I am, it
has been revealed that my accuser is itself a political operation of
sorts.  Marc Morano of CNSNews.com exposes the financial connection
between MMA with liberal activist groups funded by convicted insider
trading billionaire George Soros, </font><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200503/SPE20050303a.html"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0099FF">David
Brock Group Backpedals on Soros Funding.
</font><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF"><br>
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</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">9:01am </font><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200503/SPE20050303a.html"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF"><br>
<br>
</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">CNSNews.com highlights
the position of the Divorced from Reality</font><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">™
</font><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF"> crowd with Senate Dems
<a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200503%5CNAT20050303a.html">'United'
Against 'Goofy Privatization Scheme'<br>
<br>
</a></font><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">8:49am<br>
<br>
</font><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">Ann Coulter again lambastes the Left for its hypocrisy with <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=108&ncid=742&e=10&u=/ucac/20050302/cm_ucac/callingthekettlegay">Calling
the Kettle Gay.<br>
</a><br>
6:10am<b><br>
<br>
March 2, 2005<br>
<br>
</b>I just had an email from some folks who have been away and don't know
how this all got started.  For those who are playing catch-up on the
news, I am providing a link to my column about "The Question", <a href="Column%20archive/touching_american_journalism.htm">Touching
American Journalism's Third Rail</a>.<br>
<br>
3:50pm<br>
<b><br>
</b>Tom Bevan has an great piece at Real Clear Politics, <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/blog_3_1_05_1432.html">PLAYING
HARDBALL WITH MAUREEN DOWD</a>, in which he makes some good points about
this gal who probably needs a bit of the old Jeff Gannon to relieve some
of that pent up whatever.  He also describes the media bubble that
protected John Kerry from pesky questions like those about releasing his
entire military record until after the election.  This is the same
bubble that keeps Sen. Hillary Clinton from having to reconcile her
statements about the economy and Social Security that I so elegantly
framed in "The Question."<br>
<br>
12:54pm<br>
<br>
The Media Research Center rips apart the bias deniers at Hardball with <a href="http://www.mediaresearchcenter.com/cyberalerts/2005/cyb20050301.asp#3">Matthews
& Carlson Reject Notion White House Press Corps Liberal</a>.<br>
<br>
12:45pm<br>
<br>
Jay Rosen at Pressthink is spouting another conspiracy theory about how
the White House created Jeff Gannon.  <a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2005/02/25/wht_prss.html">In
the Press Room of the White House that is Post Press</a> puts Rosen onto
the </font><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF"> "Divorced From Reality™"
Express.<br>
<br>
12:37pm<br>
<b>
<br>
</b>Senate Democrats gathered in Washington Tuesday night to honor their
fallen leader, Tom Daschle.  It was billed as a celebration, but
turned out to be more like a wake.  <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64660-2005Mar2.html">For
Daschle, Democrats Are the Farewell Party </a> Sen. Chuck Schumer
seemed to suggest that Daschle consider running for Senate in Maryland if
Paul Sarbanes decides to retire.  Why not?  He doesn't live in
that state either.  The Foxhall Road homeowner once proclaimed,
"I'm a DC resident!"<br>
<br>
10:08am<b><br>
<br>
</b>Howard Kurtz writes about former White House Press Secretary Ari
Fleischer, who is currently on a tour to promote his book "Taking
Heat" in <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61542-2005Feb28.html">Ari
Fleischer's View From the Briefing Room</a>.  Of course no discussion
of the White House Press Corps these days is complete without a mention of
Jeff Gannon.<br>
<br>
6:05am<b><br>
<br>
March 1, 2005<br>
<br>
</b>I just noticed a snarky bit by MSNBC's David Shuster on <a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7013421/#050224B">Hard-blah-gger</a>. 
When you're done with that, take a look at my piece on Shuster from last
September, <a href="Column%20archive/shuster.htm">Shuster's Shame</a>.<br>
<br>
4:13pm<br>
<br>
Bloggers are again doing what the Old Media will not, that is, giving
me an opportunity to answer questions without editing, filtering or
interpretation.  Therefore, I am granting interviews to both
conservative and liberal bloggers.<br>
<br>
I took 10 questions from Aaron at <a href="http://www.lifelikepundits.com/archives/000318.php">Lifelike
Pundits </a><br>
<br>
12:39pm<b><br>
<br>
</b>Garrett Graff at FishbowlDC is featuring an interview I did with him
yesterday, <a href="http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/online_media/default.asp">"Gannon:
It's a Making Lemonade Thing" </a><b><br>
<br>
</b>10:29am<br>
<br>
The Old Media still doesn't get it.  <span class="byline"><font size="-1">Dick
Polman</font></span></font><span class="byline"><font size="-1" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">,
a political analyst for the Philadelphia Inquirer promotes the idea that
Gannongate is part of a larger conspiracy by the Bush administration to
manipulate the news.  In <a href="http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/11009432.htm">"White
House stirs debate on media tactics,"</a> Polman demonstrates that
those of his ilk who have dominated the media for decades cannot grasp
that there could be possibly be an independent, conservative
journalist.  Is that because those on his side are unabashed
operatives themselves?<br>
<br>
8:12am</font></span><span class="byline"><font size="-1" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF"> </font></span><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF"><br>
<br>
February 28, 2005<br>
<br>
</font>
</b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">The White House Correspondents' Association decided against changing
the policies that allowed me (and others) to attend briefings on a
"day pass."  The article by Joe Strupp of Editor &
Publisher, <a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000818837">"White
House Correspondents Want No Role in Credentialing"</a> is good news
until the very end.  "Posing as a journalist?"  Some
of these guys just don't get the reality of the New Media.  Would
there be anyone else in that briefing room "posing" as a
journalist?<br>
<br>
9:45pm<br>
<b>
<br>
</b>With all of the nasty email I've gotten, it's good to have a few
friendly words of support.  Sher Zieve heralds my return with <a href="http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=zieves&date=050225">"Jeff
Gannon is Back!"</a>  I hope to be here for some time to
come.  There is still so much to tell...<br>
<br>
6:23pm<br>
<b><br>
</b>Ken Hughes at The Conservative Voice gazes into the future of what
might happen to me after "Gannongate" and wonders <a href="http://www.theconservativevoice.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3325">"Is
Jeff Gannon The New Matt Drudge?"</a>  From his keyboard to
God's flat screen monitor!<br>
<br>
6:12pm<b><br>
<br>
</b>Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media gets it right again with <a href="http://www.aim.org/aim_column/2709_0_3_0_C/">"Watchdogs
Ignore Facts in 'Gannongate'."</a>  This guy should be cloned -
a lot.<br>
<br>
5:58pm</font><br>
<font color="#FFFFFF"><font size="2" face="Arial"><br>
So what are Lefty columnists to do now that their team has decided to sit
on the sidelines while history marches by?  Instead of putting grey
matter to the development of policies that might actually appeal to
voters, they've gotten caught up in a make-believe world of conspiracy
theories.  What is most surprising is that major newspapers actually
give them space to do it.  One of the milder missives on media
manipulation is Harley Sorenson's <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/02/28/hsorensen.DTL">"Wead
Whacking and Gannon Fodder"</a>, brought to you by the San Francisco
Chronicle.<br>
<br>
3:19pm<br>
<br>
Bush-hating New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd puts down her cocktail glass long enough to make her bid to be
included among those who are "Divorced From Reality™" with a
fantasy about President Bush's 'Potemkin press village' in  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/27/opinion/27dowd.html?">"W's
Stiletto Diplomacy."</a>  She takes a shot at yours truly,
implying that Fox News and I are the only news outlets the White House
speaks to.  But the last time I looked, the daily briefings are still
populated by NBC's David Gregory and Nora O'Donnell, ABC's Terry Moran,
CBS's John Roberts, CNN's Dana Bash and Jon King, NYT's David Sanger,
Richard Stevenson and Elisabeth Bumiller, the Washington Post's Mike Allen
and columnist Helen Thomas.<br>
</font></font><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF"><br>
12:43pm<br>
<br>
A letter sent to President Bush by Senate
Minority Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.), and a group of Senate Democrats
demanding “immediate and thorough investigation into the Gannon/Guckert
matter” asks:  “How is it possible that a man using a fake name,
with dubious journalism credentials, was able to clear the White House’s
extensive security screening process and gain such close access to you and
your staff for such an extended period of time?”<br>
<br>
To put this request in proper perspective, we turn to the 1999 <a href="http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/ois/cases/filegate/AldrichDec.htm">declaration</a>
of former FBI agent Gary Aldrich, who served the White House at the
beginning of the Clinton Administration.  Ten years later, we still
don't know who hired Craig Livingstone, the DIRECTOR OF SECURITY in the
Clinton White House who had dubious security credentials.  In his
eye-opening book, 'Unlimited Access', Aldrich talks about the security
problems and questionable conduct involving White House staff, none of
which Democrats on the Hill took much interest in then or now.<br>
<br>
But a conservative reporter needs to be thoroughly investigated.</font><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF"><br>
<br>
8:21am</font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">February
27, 2005<br>
<br>
</b>Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media nails it again in an article <a href="http://www.aim.org/aim_column/2694_0_3_0_C/">"The
Phony 'Gannongate' Scandal"</a>.<br>
<b><br>
</b>4:36pm<b><br>
<br>
February 26, 2005<br>
<br>
</b>Men's News Daily has a piece written by John Hawkins that talks about
the new criteria for determining who can be a White House reporters. 
<a href="http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/h/hawkins/2005/hawkins022605.htm">Applying
the "Gannon Standard"</a><br>
<br>
6:47pm<b><br>
<br>
February
25, 2005</b></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2">I
have to hand it to John Byrne at RAWSTORY.  He must have an inside
connection with the Democrats on the Hill since he was the first to post a
copy of the letter Sen. Dick Durbin has been passing around asking for an
investigation of me.  <a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=128">Five
Democratic Senators sign letter to Bush calling for Gannon inquiry</a></font> 
<font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2">I see that one of the
signatures affixed to the letter is none other than of John F. Kerry who
has yet to put a pen to a Form 180 that would release rest of his military
records.<br>
<br>
4:37pm<br>
<br>
Somebody
on the Left has some sense.  My good friend David Corn of The Nation
risks the scorn of his base with</font> <font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2"><a href="http://www.davidcorn.com/2005/02/problems_with_g.php#comments">Problems
with Gannongate<br>
<br>
</a>3:15pm<b><br>
<br>
February
24, 2005</b></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Daniel
J. Phillips at the Biblical Christianity blog hits the nail on the head
about what the Left has gained from Gannongate.  <a href="http://bibchr.blogspot.com/">The
Gannon/Guckert "scandal": a golden opportunity<br>
<br>
</a>2:37pm<br>
<br>
RAWSTORY reports that Senate Minority Leader Harry 'Soup Lines" Reid
will join in the investigation of me.  He should be thanking me since
I helped get him his promotion.  <a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=121">Democratic
Leader Reid joins for call for inquiry into Gannon affair<br>
<br>
</a>7:11am<br>
<br>
Ann Coulter slices and dices the hypocrites on the Left and their
handmaidens in the Old Media.  <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43011">Republicans,
bloggers and gays, oh my!</a></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">February 23, 2005
</font></b></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><font face="Arial" size="2"><font color="#FFFFFF">Not
to be outdone by his Democratic colleague Rep. Louise Slaughter, Rep.
Maurice Hinchey told CNN's Judy Woodruff that he believes Karl Rove is
behind the phony CBS documents and that I should be investigated because I
am not "a legitimate press person." <a href="Imported%20articles/judy_woodruff.htm">
Rep. Hinchey Calls for Media Scrutiny</a><br>
<br>
9:51am<br>
<br>
John
Byrne at RAWSTORY reports that Sen. Dick Durbin is spearheading the
political revenge on a reporter that helped bring the beloved Tom Daschle
down.  The letter was leaked to the 'journalist' who operates an
online news service, no wait, political propaganda site.  <a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=117">Senate
Democratic leadership joins push for Gannon inquiry<br>
<br>
</a>8:35am<br>
</font></font><font face="Arial"><b><font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">
<br>
</font></b><font size="2"><font size="1" color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial">Michael Isikoff at
Newsweek helps me serve notice on the Lefties in a short blurb, <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6999385/site/newsweek/">Gannon's
Enemies List</a>.  It sure does save the cost of sending all those
certified letters.<br>
<br>
He got it wrong about Media Matters though, because I didn't identify any
potential targets of legal action as per the advice of my highly-paid
legal team.  I mentioned that Brock's group got this all started by
taking advantage of the liberal-dominated media and getting the New York
Times' suburban rag, the Boston Globe to run an 'investigative report'
based on its press release.<br>
<br>
Rush Limbaugh's take on the beginning of my political assassination said
it all.  </font><a id="0002" href="Imported%20articles/boston_globe_uncovers_friendly_w.htm"><span style="font-family: arial" id="Par_0002">Boston
Globe Uncovers Friendly White House Reporter<font size="1" face="Arial" color="#0099FF"><br>
<br>
</font></span></a><font color="#FFFFFF"><span id="Par_0002">7:22am</span>
</font></font></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><font size="1" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF"><br>
<br>
</font><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">February 22, 2005<br>
<br>
</font></b><font color="#FFFFFF">So is Gannongate a
story that's over or isn't it? Tom Maguire at Just One Minute has a recap
for those of you just returning from Mars.   <a href="http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/02/james_guckert_t.html">James
Guckert for Dummies</a></font></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><font face="Arial" size="2"><font color="#FFFFFF">Joe
Curl, a White House correspondent for the Washington Times offers an
insider's view on Gannongate.  <a href="Imported%20articles/fourthestate.htm">There's
a Fourth Estate and a Fifth Estate</a></font><b><font face="Arial" size="1" color="#FFFFFF"><br>
<br>
</font></b></font><font face="Arial"><b><font size="2" color="#FFFFFF">
February 21, 2005<br>
<br>
</font></b><font size="2" color="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="1">The Grey Lady's
leader says he will keep on drinking. </font><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">
</font></b>Bill
Keller, the executive editor of the New York Times  announced
Friday that “This is not a time when editors swear off alcohol.” 
I'm not sure if that is what has been fuelling their coverage for the last
50 years, but it would explain a lot, especially Maureen Dowd.  <a href="http://www.columbiaspectator.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/21/4219954bc022f">NYT
Journalist Talks Journalism</a></font></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">February
20, 2005<br>
<br>
</font>
</b><font face="Arial"><font size="2" color="#FFFFFF">John Hinderaker at
Powerline really gets Gannongate. <b>
</b>This is one of the
best pieces on the real story of Gannongate. <a href="http://powerlineblog.com/archives/2005_02.php#009616">
Have They No Shame? No, Actually, They Don't</a></font></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><font face="Arial"><b><font size="2" color="#FFFFFF">February
19, 2005<br>
<br>
</font></b><font size="2" color="#FFFFFF">Howard Kurtz of the
Washington Post writes a solid piece after an interview.  <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36733-2005Feb18.html">Gannon
Admits Past 'Mistakes,' Berates Critics</a></font></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">February
18, 2005<br>
<br>
</font></b><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">Cliff Kincaid at
Accuracy in Media tells the sad story of my demise.  <a href="http://www.aim.org/aim_column/2634_0_3_0_C/">The
Destruction of Jeff Gannon</a></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">February
17, 2005<br>
<br>
</font></b><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">Media Research
Center's Tim Graham takes us on a trip down memory lane to the Clinton
years when the White House Press Corps had an entire softball team in a
piece for National Review Online.   <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/graham200502160746.asp">Gannons
to the Left of Me</a></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><b><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">February
16, 2005<br>
<br>
</font></b><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">Jonah Goldberg puts
Gannongate in its proper perspective for National Review Oniline.  
I don't like the chipmunk comparison, I think of myself more like a
badger.  <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200502140940.asp">Raines,
Rather, Jordan...</a></font></p>

<p align="left" style="margin-left: 5; margin-right: 5"><b><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Gannonblog Archives</font></b><font size="1" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF"><a href="http://www.columbiaspectator.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/21/4219954bc022f"><br>
</a>
</font></p>

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<br>
While I am on hiatus from the White House briefing room, I'm going to post
the question I would have asked had I been there.  It will be
interesting to see if anyone else asks it.</font></b></font><font size="1" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF"><br>
<br>
</font><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2">March 7, 2005<br>
<br>
"In 1999, Sen. Harry Reid said, 'Most of us have no problem with taking
a small amount of the Social Security proceeds and putting it into the private
sector.'  On Saturday, he said that he would not negotiate with the
White House on Social Security until 'privatization' was taken off the
table.  Are you hoping to convince the Senate Minority Leader once
again change his position and support the concept of personal savings
accounts for Social Security?"<br>
<br>
REID SKATES AGAIN<br>
<br>
March 4, 2005<br>
<br>
"On CNN Thursday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid called Fed
Chairman Alan Greenspan 'one of the biggest political hacks we have in
Washington.'  Does the White House agree or disagree with Reid's
opinion?"</font>
<p><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2">IT IS AS IF IT NEVER
HAPPENED, but we did get this "unbiased" question:  </font><i><font color="#FFFFFF" size="2" face="Arial">"<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Scott,
those surveys that you mentioned a couple of times also show the more the
President talks, the less Americans seem to trust him on the issue of
Social Security, and the less they like the notion of private or personal
accounts.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>What accounts for
that?<o:p>
</o:p>
</span><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">"</span><br>
</font></i><font face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF" size="2">
<br>
March 3, 2005<br>
<br>
"Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan told members of Congress on Wednesday that the
U.S. economy is growing at a "reasonably good pace" and
recommended that budget deficits be fixed through spending cuts instead of
tax increases.  Does the White House consider this an endorsement of
its fiscal policies as opposed to Democrats who still want to roll back
the Bush tax cuts?"<br>
<br>
NOT EVEN CLOSE - <i>It looks as if continued job growth and a
strengthening economy will go unreported until the Old Media can make it
look like it would have happened anyway or find a way to give Democrats
credit for it.<br>
</i>
<br>
March 2, 2005<br>
<br>
"West Virginia Democratic Senator Robert Byrd took to the Senate
floor Tuesday and likened Republicans' efforts to get an up or down vote
for the President's judicial nominees to the fascism of Nazi
Germany.  Would you comment on those remarks?"<br>
<br>
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[imaginary girl]

202. Thanks! No frames -- all tables ...

[EFerrari]

244. He's using FrontPage -- or, someone is.

A very limited program that allows people like me who are not techies to put up a site pretty easily.

[merh]

199. How do you like his comment after his radio interview last night!

March 6, 2005

I just finished up on the Steve Yuhas Show, and was glad to finally get a chance to talk about the important elements of this story. I'll be doing more of this from this point on and I have a lot to say. There is so much more to this story that has yet to be told.

:freak:

[understandinglife]

203. I'm sure he is correct: "...so much more to this story....." But, I hope..

...that someone with voice analysis expertise can confirm that the person speaking on that San Diego radio show is likely to be the person speaking in the White House Press room on 26 Jan 2005.

Until we have some independent analysis of voice, sentence structure, etc., we have no way of knowing if the person on the radio yesterday, between 6pm and 7pm PST, is "Gannon/Guckert/?Gosch/???."

And, merh, I know you are just as skeptical as all of us. We need verification of any data we have.

Peace.

[merh]

207. Yes, I am skeptical, but I have no idea how we get the voice

analyzed. Have we figured out a way to have the recordings analyzed?

[fooj]

218. That's what I meant when I said that i wanted to physically see him!

It's a gut feeling...

[imaginary girl]

204. Interesting. He's printed similar things before, which seem ...

purposefully tantalizing to me.

Here it is ... www.jeffgannon.com

from Feb 28

"I hope to be here for some time to come. There is still so much to tell..."

Isn't that an odd way of saying it? "I hope to be here for some time to come ..."?

[understandinglife]

217. Consider the following: IF....

...he is Johnny Gosch, we know one thing for sure -- he's a survivor.

We would know, upon learning that he, Gannon/Guckert, is Johnny Gosch that, above all else, he is a person who wants to continue living.

In that context, it's not so easy as, "well Johnny just tell us what you know," is it?

For him to have survived and, achieved regular entry to the West Wing of the White House for 2+ years, are remarkable accomplishments.

To have done so means he has plenty of dirt on way more than Rove (i.e., it is just laughable all this 'Rove boyfriend' stuff I've seen).

To have done so also means that he has some understanding of the consequences of that dirt -- he would know it would sweep OBL, Iraq, Michael J, and all the other tv/print garbage off the streets for a very long time.

But, for all that dirt to be credible, he cannot be the one to 'break the story.' And, for him to survive he cannot be the one to 'break the story.' If you remember, he was willing to go on Randi Rhodes but she wouldn't have him without a 'bio,' i.e., he was willing to place himself in a situation where he knew the hard question(s) might be asked.

Someone, with a very big audience watching, needs to just ask him 'Are you Johnny Gosch?'

That is what must happen -- he needs to be in front of a very big audience and someone then needs to ask him the direct question -- are you Johnny Gosch.

I can imagine no other way for him to get the story out to the majority of Americans (and others) and survive.

If he is Gosch, it is such an extraordinary story that for him to survive telling it, he will need more minute to minute media coverage than OJ, Michael J, JFK, RFK, OBL, the past 20 super bowls and then some, combined, to do so.

And, for perspective, please realize that other than the few dozens of folk who read DU, dKos, Americablog, Cannonfire, ...., the vast majority of Americans don't even know who "Gannon" is!!

And, beyond that, an even larger number of our fellow citizens have never heard of Johnny Gosch.

The survivor knows those facts.

The very best thing that could happen is for Oprah to invite him on her show and ask him the question. I am being serious.

Peace.

[flyarm]

228. he is sooooooo

threatening someone ..or many someones!!

fly

[merh]

238. Agreed!

:thumbsup:

[Catherine Vincent]

205. Very good imaginary girl.

I wonder if he realizes (if he is in fact writing this blog) that we are disecting and/or searching for clues on his blog?

[imaginary girl]

210. Thanks. It seems like he wants/expects somebody to -- just not sure who

[understandinglife]

200. An "FYI" post: "Kathryn B. Gannon"

See DU link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3236984

[merh]

209. LOL - but I thought his real name is Guckert!

Gosh, I have to get some sleep, all these names and connections are confusing me again! :shrug:

[imaginary girl]

211. merh,

Guckert is the name that "is on his driver's license" and the one that "was given to him" (phrases from his interviews when asked about his name). We don't know if Guckert's his "real" name or not!

But, I do doubt that his "real" name is Jeff Gannon, as this connection (and your post) would imply ...

wait, it is getting late. I don't mean that you imply in your post that jeff gannon is his real name!

[merh]

215. I was laughing at the Kathryn Gannon "connection"

See understandinglife's post that I replied to.

I know we don't know who bulldog is, it is a wacky, crazy world we live in! :silly:

[imaginary girl]

220. I know what you were laughing about ... I was just playing along,

adding to the confusion you said you were feeling.

[merh]

236. Thanks, I can use all the confusion I can get! LOL

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Time to call it quits for the night.

[imaginary girl]

239. Thanks. I've actually been here almost every day since

Nov. 3rd (I searched desperately to find a site where people knew to be true what I felt), but I don't post much. I think half my posts have been on this series!

[flyarm]

233. first of all..when i heard him say..

guckert was his given name...or name given to him...who says that?? who ever says that anymore..in old english days they called it your given name...but who says that now??

i immediately thought..yes thats the name given to you after your real name was taken from you...and it was the way he said it was the name given him that struck me as very odd as well...
i have a 27 yr old son..i can not imagine my son saying ---- was the name he was given..he would say my name is----
and he wouldnt say..the name on my drivers licence is ----
he would say my name is ----

and i can not for the life of me even imagine any of my sons buddies saying that either..in fact i asked my son..would he ever say something like that..and he said ..what are you kidding me mom...and thought i was nuts asking!!

noooo ...something is not right in kansas on that one either!!

fly

[intheflow]

212. According to the dailykos, he used "Jeff" when

registering a porn site, or something like, in 1999. Same year Kathryn Gannon was said to have visited home. Hang on, I'll find it again... thread 5 I think...

OK, here it is: http://lefthandedman.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/20/235413/567

April 10, 1997: Bedrock corporation incorporated in Delaware (Delware Secretary of State)

December, 1998: Gannon/Guckert attends Christmas orgy. (Washington Blade, Feb. 18, 2004)

August 31, 1999: First invoice for porn site design. Name used is "Jeff" (Warning: link not work safe AmericaBlog)

September 27, 1999: GOPUSA.com registered (whois)

Edited to wonder if Kathryn's given name is Gannon, and what her childhood was like that she ended up both in porn and hob-nobbing with very rich men...

[merh]

221. But he was Guckert using Gannon, right!

According to this article, Jeff is her cousin (and from his comment, a fundie) so this could be a real "jeff gannon". :shrug:

She also has a cousin in Edmonton, where she grew up, but this cousin, Jeff Gannon, tells the Post she wasn't exactly expected to show up there. "She wouldn't get into this house," he insisted.

:silly: :eyes: Time to call it a night! Have to get the guckerts, gannons, out of my head for a little while at least.

[intheflow]

229. Good luck there!

I dream about this every night! :crazy:

[Andy_Stephenson]

247. Me too

thats why I am up right now at 4:06 AM.

[St. Benedict]

227. It was Paul Leddy ....

who said that Gannon used the name "Jeff" when Gannon commissioned Leddy to create the porn sites for him. Here's the excerpt and link:

"In 1999, Paul Leddy, a Web designer and photographer, says he received an email from a man named Jeff from Wilmington, Delaware. Jeff wanted Paul to build him a new Web site for his business. Paul accepted the job, provided Jeff mailed him a check with half the money up front (Jeff had not provided a last name, and Paul wanted to make sure he was for real). Jeff sent the check, it cleared, and Paul built the site and launched it online for Jeff.

Paul didn’t think about Jeff much until last week when he heard about a breaking scandal involving a man named Jeff who owned several military escort service Web addresses. “I saw the name Jeff Gannon, knew our Jeff, saw the militarystud.com Web address, and thought ‘hmmm, everything was military, that sounds like Jeff who we did the site for.’”

Paul searched the Internet WhoIs director for militarystud.com and saw that the owner was Bedrock Corp of Wilmington, Delaware. “That’s definitely him,” Paul said. (Paul and a second source both recall Jeff paying with a check in the name of Bedrock Corp. The name stuck in their heads at the time because they asked Jeff why “Bedrock”? He replied something about the Flintstones, they recall.) This is relevant because a Bedrock Corp in Wilmington, Delaware also owns former White House reporter Jeff Gannon's personal Web site and a series of Web addresses apparently dealing with military male escorts.

Paul then went and checked his files. He found five invoices to Jeff from August 31, 1999 to March 30, 2000. (The file properties say they were created on those dates by Paul Leddy.)"

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/02/man-called-jeff.html

[intheflow]

231. Thanks for the detail.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[St. Benedict]

234. Hunter S. Thompson murder...

So far, (although I've not read all 12 wrinkle threads) I have not seen anyone mention the murder of Hunter S. Thompson and the other three deaths that appear to be related to the Gannon/Gosch scandal.

Here is an excerpt and link from the "Franklin Cover-Up" book in which Paul Bonacci says Hunter S. Thompson directed a snuff film at Bohemian Grove.

http://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/FranklinBookGrove.htm

Interesting that Hunter S. Thompson was "suicided" as this story was breaking about Gannon's real identity as Gosch.

[flyarm]

242. welcome to du!! about thompson

we have disected this on many levels..you might want to look at the previous threads thereis alot about the snuff film and alot about the way hunter died, and probably more questions than answers, but we have alot about it..you might find interesting!!

and welcome to du!!

fly:hi:

[Andy_Stephenson]

245. If you have read the threads...

you would know this was discussed early on.
thread 1 or 2. I found it strange to say the least.

[intheflow]

222. Wrinkles 13 started. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3237166

[understandinglife]

232. Please ask the DU moderators to lock #12 now that #13 has started.

Thank you.

[imaginary girl]

224. This line keeps standing out to me ...

Moved to thread 13

[DemonFighterLives]

240. Serious catching up

I fell about a thread and a half behind.
I want to thank all the Readers and Writers here. The reviews of Gannons blog were interesting.
One comment on the programming of mind control/children/whatever.
Perhaps Gannon is the best creation so far. Kind of like a science project. He is stronger, colder and more arrogant than the shivering victims of this type of abuse. IOW, not all cia experiments turn out the same.

On the flipping, I'll have to check, but was the cheek scar flipped or are Johnnys and Jeffys on the same side.

I missed being here filling up the thread with BS, but it was a long day and will be a short night.
:salute: :kick:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

251. Locking- Gannon Wrinkles Thread 13 is up and running.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3237166