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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:28 PM
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U.S. : IRA Must Disband NOW!!!
Another DEMAND for the world.

<snip> BELFAST, Northern Ireland (Reuters) -- The United States has demanded that the IRA disband after the guerrilla group's astonishing offer to shoot the killers of a murdered Northern Ireland Catholic man. <snip>
http//www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/09/ireland.sinnfein.reut/index.html
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:29 PM
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1. Underpants must stop peeing in pools now!!!!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:30 PM
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2. I demand that too. Is that why the hot tub is hot?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:30 PM
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3. * reminds me of a spoiled 5 year old
demanding this and demanding that without anyone telling him no. Can you imagine what he'll be like when he's a teenager??
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:32 PM
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4. Wow. I'll bet they're impressed.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:38 PM
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7. Yeah, I'm sure the IRA is saluting en masse...
using a single extended digit.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:35 PM
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22. Actually, most of them would use the Brit-style 2 finger salute
Same meaning, tho..
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:36 PM
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5. No matter what one thinks of the I.R.A. I hope they
tell Mr. Cowboy Dictator Idiot Scumsucker to Piss Off!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:37 PM
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Note to Bush: get stuffed!
In yer arse, Georgie boy!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:37 PM
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6. Is Ireland now on the PNAC invasion list?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:42 PM
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11. They are probably disbanding as we speak.
This freedom shit has really gone to the chimpsters head. He's so full of shit now it just spews from his mouth.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:39 PM
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8. Note to *: You only just NOW figured that out?
Edited on Wed Mar-09-05 03:40 PM by truebrit71
Moran..
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:41 PM
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9. But FRAPH is our friend?
THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE RETURN OF THE FRAPH/FADH DOCUMENTS

by Brian Concannon
Bureau des Avocats Internationaux, Port-au-Prince, Haiti.
The people of Haiti suffered under a brutal military dictatorship from 1991 to 1994. The Haitian Armed Forces (FADH) and the paramilitary Revolutionary Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haiti (FRAPH) were the principal organisations behind a reign of terror against unarmed civilians that included at least 3,000 murders, 300,000 internal refugees, 40,000 boat people, 7,000 homes destroyed, and countless tortures, rapes, thefts, and beatings. Since the return of democracy in 1994, the Haitian people have struggled to rebuild from this disaster. Among the most urgent needs articulated by the Haitian people is the need for justice for the victims of the coup years. The people of Haiti have not, for one moment, abandoned their struggle for justice. As other countries that have made the transition from dictatorship to democracy have discovered, it is always difficult to punish those responsible for human rights violations, and it is most difficult to punish those most responsible, those who gave the orders. In Haiti, although there are the usual difficulties, the persistence of the population's struggle for justice has created unusual successes: over thirty people accused of major human rights violations are imprisoned awaiting trial, and more are arrested every month. Those arrested include not just low level soldiers or thugs, but army officers and wealthy landowners as well. Warrants have been issued even against the military high command, although the generals are all in exile.

Although the US military was a factor in ending the dictatorship, the links between the dictatorship's criminals and US military, diplomatic and intelligence communities are both deep and widespread, as has been widely reported by the press, and acknowledged by both US officials and the criminals themselves. US troops arrived in Haiti in 1994, as part of the multinational force that ended the 3 year military dictatorship. They immediately and systematically gathered documents from the offices of military and paramilitary organisations, especially FADH and FRAPH. Approximately 160,000 pages of documents, as well as photographs, videocassettes and audiocassettes, were collected, and transported to the US. This was done without the knowledge or consent of Haiti, even though the documents were the property of Haiti under Haitian, international, and US law.

According to interviews with soldiers involved in the seizure, the documents included membership information, operational details, and photographs and videos of human rights violations. The Haitian government has a right to the return of the documents, and the victims have a right to the information contained in the documents. The documents are essential to Haiti's quest to establish the truth about what happened during the military regime. They would also be useful in prosecuting those responsible for the regime's human rights violations. In fact, they would be most useful where the most help is needed, establishing cases against the FRAPH and FADH leadership.

...

The response of the US has been to stonewall. For several months the government claimed that it could not find the documents. Then the US State Department proffered a series of reasons why it could not return the documents, none of them able to withstand scrutiny. In late 1995, the US, under pressure, announced it would return the documents to Haiti, and reportedly flew them down to its embassy in Port-au-Prince. Soon, however, the State Department demonstrated its intention to not return the documents, by placing conditions on the return that no sovereign nation would accept: the US would delete certain materials, according to its own whim, and Haiti would have to agree to use the documents only for specified purposes (that did not, for example, include exploring the already public links between US intelligence agents and the coup criminals).

...

Justice for human rights victims is one of the top priorities of the Haitian people. The failure of the US to return the documents is one of the largest obstacles to that priority, and is a further violation of the victims' human rights. Until they are returned in their entirety and without conditions, no one in Haiti will believe there has been justice, and no one in any country familiar with the situation will take seriously the US rhetoric on justice, democracy, or civil society.

The Campaign For the Return of the FRAPH/FADH Documents was launched by several Haitian human rights, victims', religious and women's groups in April, 1998. The Campaign has prepared a Petition, which has been translated into French, English, Spanish and Dutch, and signed by over 10,000 people world-wide. A broad network of organisations and individuals throughout the world have supported the Haitian groups in their initiative. The supporters in Haiti, the US, and the rest of the world are committed to persevering until the documents are returned.

more
http://haitisupport.gn.apc.org/concannon.html


CIA linked to FRAPH, coup
PORT-AU-PRINCE -- The link between the US government and the founding and running of the Haitian army's death squad and front group, FRAPH (Front pour l'Avancement et le Progres Haitien), was finally exposed in the October 24 issue of the US Nation magazine.

As long suspected, the Central Intelligence Agency created and has advised FRAPH. The link is Emmanuel Constant, a paid CIA employee and informant. Also, at least some FRAPH “members” were paid by the US-government-funded Centres pour le Developpement et la Sante (CDS), run by Dr Reginald Boulos and linked to FRAPH and to anti-democratic activities in the past.

As a result of the information -- which has been at the top of news programs and on the front page here as well as in the US -- the CIA and other government agencies have gone into “damage control” mode, saying Constant worked for them only until “spring” of 1993 (FRAPH was formed in August) and that the CIA was never “connected” to FRAPH. One of Constant's “handlers”, US Colonel Patrick Collins, a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) attache in Haiti from 1989-1992 and who recently returned for the occupation, has reportedly been recalled to Washington for questioning.

In his article in the Nation, Allan Nairn detailed how Constant worked for both the CIA and the brutal intelligence service it created and ran, the Service d'Intelligence National (SIN), which spied on, brutalised and murdered up to 5000 members of the democratic movement between 1986 and 1991.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/1994/165/165p21b.htm


This policy of intimidation was, by and large, a success. Aside from murdering opposition figures, the leadership of peasant groups, trade unions, grass-roots and neighborhood organizations was decimated. More significant, the FRAPH campaign created a climate of terror, with hundreds of thousands going into hiding or fleeing the country. The terror was directed, in large part, by FRAPH founder Emanuel "Toto" Constant who then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher conceded, was a CIA-paid informant during most of this period. Nor did Constant's relationship with the spy agency end with the return of Aristide's constitutional government. "Are the American Embassy and FRAPH strolling hand-in-hand?" queried a headline in Port-au-Prince daily Le Nouvelliste. It certainly seemed that way.

Shortly after a rally at the U.S. Embassy, at which Constant, struggling to be heard over cries of "murderer," unsuccessfully attempted to transform himself into a viable political candidate, and FRAPH into a legitimate opposition party, Constant disappeared. In January, U.S. officials ridiculed reports on Haitian Creole radio stations that Constant had been seen walking around Washington. In fact, the reports were true. On Christmas Eve, Constant was admitted to the United States on a tourist visa, a circumstance for which no credible explanation has ever been given.

When taken into custody, Constant announced he was suing the United States government for $50 million and that he "was a paid agent of the Central Intelligence Agency, which knew of his activities and did not discourage them." While in jail, Constant called the producers of "60 Minutes," claiming that he had founded FRAPH at the urging of defense intelligence and had had regular meetings with the CIA station chief in Haiti, John Kambourian. Constant's increasing volubility proved to be all the incentive the State Department, as well as other agencies Constant implicated, needed to settle. Among the conditions of Constant's parole was his silence about his relations with the CIA. He has since settled in Cambria Heights, in Queens, New York.


http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws88.htm
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:42 PM
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10. And that relates to the IRA how, exactly? n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:43 PM
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12. Good question.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:49 PM
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15. Sorry I didn't mean to imply that they were in anyway similar
Edited on Wed Mar-09-05 04:10 PM by seemslikeadream
just curious what organizations bush wants dis banned and which ones he supports.



Fillean meal ar an meallaire.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:20 PM
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18. Oh, OK.
He does seem rather selective, doesn't he?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:36 PM
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23. Yes he is selective - Ireland and Haiti
Ireland and Haiti
by For LASC Tuesday, Mar 1 2005, 10:02am
international / anti-war / press release

Haiti is the poorest country on the Western Hemisphere
and its all history is one of foreign intervention and
looting, from colonial times until its republican
period. Last year Haiti celebrated the 200th
anniversary of its existence; not a minor celebration,
as Haiti was the first Latin American country to gain
its independence and represented the first step to the
abolition of slavery. But Haiti had to pay a very high
price for the freedom of its offsprings
Today, the country is ruled by a tiny elite, that has brutalised
the population for more than a century, that has
strong links with imperialist powers harboured in both
France and the USA. This elite came to power once
again after the coup d'etat of February 29th 2004,
carried by a number of thugs and ex-Duvalierists, and
this coup has been sanctified by the presence of the
"international community"; the USA, France, and Latin
American countries like Chile, Brasil (which is
leading the military coalition in Haiti) and
Argentina, none of which can boast of a too clean
Human Right record... and they're troops had been
given by the UN the mission of "protecting Haitian
people"!

No wonder many Human Right abuses have been
reported and the number of dead people keeps piling.
But the world remain indifferent to the suffering of
the Haitian people and it seems that whatever atrocity
occurs in the island is part of the natural state of
the world. We, in the Latin American Solidarity
Centre, reject this "natural" order of things and we
call all the social organisations and progressive
people, to demonstrate on March 5th at 13:00 o'clock,
outside of the Brasilian embassy in Dublin (41
Harcourt Street, Dublin 2). We call international
organisations to hold pickets of solidarity that day
as well, to show that Haitian people are not alone,
that we keep an eye on the events and that we join the
demands of the Haitian people:

- Disarmament of the putschist thugs lead by Chamblain
and Phillipe.
- Respect of the Sovereignity of Haitian people, as
expressed in the last elections and rejection of the
regime of Latortue.
- Freedom to all political prisoners.
- Respect to the freedom of association.
- Payment back of the indemnification payed by Haiti
to France after its liberation.
- That the UN take real measure to protect civilians
in Haiti against the systematic attacks and the reign
of terror of former agents of the Duvaliers'
autocracy.

The demonstration will take place in front of the
Brasilian embassy, Saturday 5th March at 13:00
o'clock. You are all welcome.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=68816

:hi:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:44 PM
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13. Where do they get the gall??
Do they really think they can get the IRA to disband? Who are they kidding... Maybe it's payback to Blair for his support...
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:46 PM
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14. How come I didn't see this same kind of response from the government...
when White Supremacists tried to get a Judge killed and then killed two of her family members?
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:50 PM
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16. Just like "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
And we all know thats all it took to crush communism.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:50 PM
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17. Who's next? Canada?
:eyes:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:27 PM
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19. of course, we can schmooze with Ian Paisley all we want,
because we're ALWAYS right!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:30 PM
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20. Dupe - see LBN
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:32 PM
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21. Good luck with that one...
I don't really think that a demand from the US government will accomplish what MI-5 and the SAS couldn't.
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:43 PM
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24. renegade000: GOP Must Disband NOW!!!
eom
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