Oh...my...gawd!!! Freepers...my head is spinning...dizzy... *thud*

[LynnTheDem]

I'm ok now...deep breaths...!

An Ahmad "Thanks, suckers!" Chalabi-style article on Iran goes on about how the Iranians would love us to "regime change" them, the usual crap we heard pre-Iraq invasion.

LOOK at some of the replies!!! Yeah there's several moran replies too but geeez this freep thread almost reads like sentient human beings!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1341377/posts

:wow:


-They might not defend the regime but they won't like foreign invaders too!

-I tend to think they would fight back if they had a racial or nationalistic hatred for the invaders. We'd be in a serious war if we tried.

-Sure, and they'll greet our troops with cheers and rose petals, too.

-Um, I'm pretty sure they would defend themselves from dem foreigners. Lets not egg the neocons on here. We were fooled by expats like Chalibi and lets not make the same mistakes here.

:wow: :wow:

-I want to believe this, but this is exactly what was said of the Iraqi people.

-"If" isn't a legitimate reason for military invasion.

-So why don't they rise up and overthrow their own dictators?



PIPA was correct; IF rightwingnuts, including freeps, only knew the FACTS about Iraq (NO wmd, NO ties w al Qaeda, NO ties to 911, NO they never wanted us to "liberate" them, NO "millions" or "100,000s" mass graves, NO "humanitarian intervention" etc etc etc) then they too would NEVER have supported bush's invasion of Iraq.

Hey freeps! You're ANTI-WAR TOO. You just don't realize that because what you think are the "facts" actually aren't. And sooner or later you will find that out; too bad it couldn't have been BEFORE you allowed bush to kill 1513 (so far) and wound (11,200 so far) our troops and blow $300 billion (so far) of our money. (I won't even mention the 100,000 dead Iraqis; don't think you give a shit about them.)

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[Melodybe]

2. You're wrong about that, the truth has a funny way of getting out

eventually.

[burn the bush]

14. I agree I think most pugs are not actually for war

most of them are very afraid of war on this land. Thats what drives so many towards Bush. They don't know the truth, They've been fed lies. I mean, it's hard to have to come to grips with the fact that our beloved America is not the proud and free America of legend. It's hard to begin to believe the truth that is going on. It's so far off the wall. Who in their right mind would believe the truth. Shit it's so fucking bazaar that it reads like a fucking novel.

the pug admin have had a remarkable and extensive campaign of lies and deceit. I think even the pugs will turn around if ever they can just put their fear aside, swallow their pride, and face reality.

it's hard though. It's hard work.

[ElectroPrincess]

25. We'll be waiting for the pigs to fly by :P

"I think even the pugs will turn around if ever they can just put their fear aside, swallow their pride, and face reality."

Sure, I believe that republicans can, if they dig down real deep into what's left of their soul, put their fear aside. But no way in hell can I hold on to hope that they have the capacity to "swallow their pride." The sin of PRIDE almost defines the right wing radical segment of the party, i.e., we are both morally and mentally superior to "others."

The best we can hope for is that good ole' Brit Hume (the Cronkite of the modern freepers) can spin the story back to reality withOUT blaming the liberals. Let's hope these nut-cases refocus on hating the Communists. The forgoing is the best we can hope for ... IMHO the far right of the republican party is so morally bankrupt, admitting ANY weakness is beyond their grasp. Tragic? Yes.

[burn the bush]

28. you are right, Pride is most likely our biggest obstacle in reaching them

with reality. It's not only hard to admit America isn't what you thought, but to have to admit that you were a fool follower and protector...

it would be almost as hard for them to swallow as say us, if we had to admit that shrub was right all along.(course that won't happen but can u imagine how we would resist?

I know getting one pug at a time isn't too effective and I hope that some thing will happen that will just like expose everything and clear the cloud away. aahhhhh...

I know it sounds hopeful and that is how I spend half my time. The other half i feel hopeless, desperate, scared for the world.

[Zuni]

30. I concur

Many of them are brainwashed because they afraid of what might happen and the administration plays on their fears

[LynnTheDem]

3. Gee I haven't been called "dumb" for awhile.

:D

[burn the bush]

15. not dumb. thanks for posting

[LynnTheDem]

17. Thanks.

:)

[meganmonkey]

24. You're the dumbest person I ever met

in Opposite-land, that is!!! :P

This is a great post. I applaud you for visiting the dark side and being patient and even-handed enough to make this pleasant observation.

There may be hope yet!

:bounce:

[LynnTheDem]

34. Thanks :)

There IS hope; if they can inhabit the same planet we do even just for the time it took them to post those remarks, then they can inhabit the same planet as we do again!

:D LOL!

No really, credit where credit is due; bush is their guy and yet they really were making some clear-headed points. :)

[sandnsea]

5. Generally, true

They do have a bizarre ability to be sold any damned thing and completely flip on what they said just a week before.

I just keep hanging on to that old Lincoln quote, "you can't fool all of the people all of the time". We don't need that many to wake up in order to turn the tide. I think privatization may have been the chink we needed, Bush did plan it all along, said he didn't, and they all know it now. Then the bankruptcy bill, next tolls on the interstate. We're going to have some damned unhappy Republicans in very short order.

[enki23]

7. you keep thinking that

.

[sandnsea]

9. I have to keep my sanity somehow

This country has been through wacky times before and pulled out the other side.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. I wonder if you could have phrased that differently?....

Additionally, we knew when the rightwingers began turning against the war in Vietnam that is just a matter of time before the troops came home for good.

Freepers families are being affected by casualties just like anyone else...never forget that. Military casualties become the Great Equalizer in any conflict.

[Catherine Vincent]

4. My republican supervisor told me today that she did not vote for

Bush mainly because of the Iraq war. She wasn't that fond of Kerry (I didn't ask why) so she didn't vote. Wasn't sure about her hubby though (he probably did). But these are the type of republicans that I can stand. They see the failures in people like Dubya.

[Stand and Fight]

6. I disagree.

By my logic those who did not vote are no better than those who voted for Bush, because they had the opportunity to at least affect change. However, they chose to take no action whatsoever despite the fact that they actually do KNOW that Bush screwed up about so much. I cannot excuse those that do not cast a vote anymore than I can those who would say, "I see the crime being committed but I won't intervene."

[Melodybe]

8. We can still bring people around, this bankruptcy bill is going to hurt

so many people, it's a lot like the Robber Barons, eventually we beat the back, we can do it again.

It just takes work.

[Stand and Fight]

10. I'm willing to do the work.

I just hope people realize the kind of fiends we are up against.

[Melodybe]

11. Do whay you can to spread the truth.

[bvar22]

29. Disagree...

Any republican who chose not to vote at all was one less vote for bush*.

One of my personal campaigns during 2004 was to convince hard core pugs to not vote. The people I targeted would never vote for Kerry under ANY circumstances, so I settled for blocking a vote for bush*.

[lonestarnot]

13. Don't know all the facts about your repuke supervisor, but she sounds

like the type who would vote for the BK bill to pass. Just like those idiot 19! Don't know if acceptance of these idiots is good for the party. If you're not for the people you're a freep and I have no time for these freaks! They are creating an uninhabitable world and I'm sick and fucking tired of them!

[burn the bush]

16. I think you should accept them. I think the majority of pug voters are

not even pugs but they were sold with the fear thing. Misinforation. I think if they understood the desires of both parties, that most people out there in the boonies voting for shrub are really voting to keep their guns, against abortion, and oh yeah, the world will end if gays are allowed to be considered part of "we the people" and allowed to pursue happiness. These things were sold as being what the campaign was about. If the real issues are made clearer to them, I think many would find that they are not republican after all.

[lonestarnot]

20. Not accepting excuses for their ignorance! Not accepting anything

about them. Hate repukes and everything about them! NO I WILL NOT ACCEPT THEM!

[burn the bush]

23. I can understand your anger and I share it too. But mostly for the hard

core pugs, the ones who know whats up and still take that position.
My best friend freaked me out when she said something like "well, we needed a war" when I first questioned her about voting for shrub.

We almost got into a fight. But I know this woman and I know that she is actually one of the kindest people I know. I know that if she were to face the reality of war, that she does not want people hurt. She is just afraid. She has been sold the whole thing just like everyone else. We thought we could trust our media. (at least to some extent)
She is so afraid of war on this land, that she will give the shrub anything he wants or says he needs to prevent it.
I think a lot of people are just like her. She's not mean. She's not full of hate. But the kool-aid...it seemed like it was good for you at the time. She drank it.

I ended up telling her that we are going to save the country, save the world, and save her and people like her too, whether they like it or not. Don't worry, I told her. We're gonna save you guys too.

so now whenever I'm off to a protest or anything like that I call her to let her know. It's a freindly jabbing at each other now, but in the beginning, when I first found out how she voted, I was so angry at her. How could she? How could she not see what is going on.

Then I remembered that though I've always hated shrub, I've always counted on the integrity of the US. We were a proud nation for good reason. I too had been drinking the kool-aid. I thought we had checks and balances and people like you guys keeping our govt somewhat transparent. I never supported the shrub, but it wasn't that long ago that I had drank the Kool aid of believing that America was still a proud and honorable nation.

So while my generalization is that I hate pugs, I do have tolerance for those that wish to withdraw from the kool aid.

[KayLaw]

12. I like the hopeful tone of your post

There's nothing dumb about it. It's hard not to be skeptical, though, because these are the same people who supported and marched for a gay prostitute who spread propaganda for the White House. And, the same people who blindly supprort politicians who borrow and bankrupt, do as they damn well please in a secretive fashion, pass Patriot Acts, ship good jobs to China and India...etcetera.

What I'm trying to say is that, for the most part, people who post at that forum are confused people who are the opposite of conservative and terribly unpredictable.

The NeoCons will try one selling point after the other until they find one the suckers will buy.

[Redstone]

21. You nailed it!

KayLaw described freepers as: "the opposite of conservative and terribly unpredictable."

Wonderfully said. They're basically a bunch of disaffected loser nutbars whose opinions twist in the wind based on what Limbaugh or Coulter or whoever is feeding them any given day.

Redstone

[charlie]

19. They'll never admit it

But they're as aware of how stretched the military is as we are. The thought that Bush might scoop them up from their computer rec rooms and have them in a Basra to Tehran firefight before Christmas is probably giving them the heebie-jeebies.

[AirAmFan]

22. Great find! And even better TITLE! The title alone should put this thread on

the 'Greatest' list. I've already nominated it.

Did any Freepers mention Iran's oil reserves? It can't be accidental that all three countries at the top of our invasion list number among the top 10 for oil reserves--Iraq, Iran, and Venezuela.

[LynnTheDem]

35. Thanks, Air :) I didn't read all the posts, but the ones I did, no there

was no mention of oil. Guess that part of this whole mess hasn't been accepted yet. Or it's verboten to mention of FR. :shrug:

[fromBrooklyn]

26. This is the sad part - the truth -

They _don't_ know the truth. My brother-in-law voted for Jr. and when I asked him why, his answers were about vague, wishy-washy *ideas* about strong gov., tax-and-spend liberals and so on.

I spent a couple minutes trying to get him to see the forest, but he just didn't care enough.

Bush sent out a message that was palatable to a lot of people.

And the Media transmitted it: I think they are to blame.

Never give up on a pug, they can generally be won over with common sense, but it's an arduous road, and you have almost every other voice they will hear every day, working against you.

[progressoid]

27. I think they have blinders on

I also know a few repubs that voted for shrub but they can't give a good clear reason for having done so. There is the usual meaningless "war president" or "sticks to his guns" bullshit, but that's about it. They can't see how he is actually working against their interests.

I know a couple that did NOT vote for him. However, they are actually sensible and semi-intelligent.

[doublethink]

32. "It is .....

the person who is blind to what goes on around him that is most surprised when the same thing happens to him" THOMPSON.

[LynnTheDem]

31. Whether it lasts with them or not, guys...for one brief moment in time,

a whole bunch of freepers were ON THE SAME PLANET WITH US!

So YES VIRGINA, it IS POSSIBLE!!!

:D :D :D

[SF Bay Area Dem]

33. I did not go to the link but...

... some of these freepers posting actually have the attiude of "fool me once"...

[LynnTheDem]

36. Yes they did. Although I think they blame Chalabi etc, not bushCartel

Baby steps.

:D