Pornography: Is it the chameleon of political issues?

[The Backlash Cometh]

Jeff Gannon opened a door of thought that I would have never ventured down on my own. Who knew that conservatives could be embroiled in pornography? Major cognitive dissonance. Then I began reading "Confessions of an Economic Hit man" where the subject of why nice people do bad things (i.e. exploit others.) was brought up and it dawned on me, though we've come to believe that pornographers are liberal, (and certainly the liberal party has taken its hits for that association), are they really liberal in the ideological sense? Or is this just another business decision of convenience? Obviously liberal lawyers have fought tooth and nail for pornographers rights in an open society. Even to the point of trying to convince other liberals that if they win the fight for pornography, that it protects everybody else's rights, which is a linear conclusion which I don't believe is true. But that's beside the point.

My main question is this, are we being naive in believing that people who delve in the pornographic world are loyal to liberalism? If protecting their business is their main purpose, wouldn't someone who has convinced themselves that they have a right to exist, also form alliances with the other side? So Jeff Gannon is not an anomaly, but the reality. The pornographic world is a cash crop, and to the Right, money is worthy of worship.

Why should it come as a surprise that the industry plays both sides? It has a public face on the liberal side, (which also weakens the liberal side because of the morality issue), but a private face on the conservative side, where money for campaigns and lavish lifestyles are always in demand, and few question where it's coming from?

[Maraya1969]

1. Oh Jeff Gannon is an anomaly all right

And remember he probably has some of "in" at the White House.

The only thing that looks conservative about him is his military record.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. Jeff Gannon can't be an anomaly, if something similar happened

in Bush I's time.

[imenja]

3. I don't think there is any reason to assume pornographers are liberals

As you note, pornography is big business. And some adult film companies are owned by huge media giants. They'll cloak themselves in liberalism when it suits them, but their only interest is making huge profits.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. As unbelieveable as it sounds, I bought into the belief that

pornographers and liberalism were ideological partners; and for a while, a very short while, I believed what the civil libertarians claimed. That protecting pornographer's rights, protected mine. Now I'm beginning to sense a betrayal. Siding with Dems on civil rights issues which have been important to me opened me up to a barrage of criticism because the party's affiliations with the pornographic world. If that industry is playing us for a patsy, I think it should be the subject of open discourse.

[mongo]

34. Or maybe you're personal bias is causing you to create a

scapegoat.

The adult industry OVERALL has been very supportive to the Dem party (and causes) over the years.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

44. Old school porn was linked to Dems through the mob

It's the old formulation, union-mafia-Democrat.

Now porn's a free-for-all, largely as a result of all those civ-lib lawyers--you don't have to be a criminal to make and sell porn. There are LOTS of rank-and-file republicans putting their homemade porn up on the internet, and I think Gannon's deal was some amplified version of that.

Now, most industrial porn comes from the SF Valley north of LA, a traditional Republican stronghold. Are the producers and performers themselves Republicans? My answer is no--they are not political until someone is threatening to curtail their profits. Then they are all for free speech, etc.

[mongo]

32. And which film companies are owned by huge media giants

Vivid (the biggest) is owned by Steven Hirsch, who started the company.

Wicked (the 2nd) not sure

Adam & Eve (prob. the 3rd) is owned by Phil Harvey, who started in mail order condoms - and fought the government for the right, and is now a big player in supplying condoms to Africa. He is a really good man, who has done much good throughout the WORLD.

LFP (Hustler) is owned by Larry and Jimmy Flynt.

Private is a publicly traded company - about the only one. ANYONE can buy stock in it, including the huge media giants.


MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET A CLUE BEFORE YOU POST

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[mongo]

52. The connection is between repubs and the CABLE companies

not the porn producers.

You're messing with my livelyhood here. So don't tell me to relax, especially when trying to paint the porn industry as conservatives in liberal clothing.

I sit here on the bleeding edge of the first ammendment, risking ARREST every day, so that people can buy a friggin movie.

[mongo]

33. Maybe if you read the trade magazines and belonged to the

Trade assoc. you would feel diferently.

Instead of just trashing them.

[imenja]

49. How did what I say about to trashing?

Look at the corporate hierarchies of some of the companies, like the ones who profit from the pay per view porn in hotels.

[mongo]

53. So, If I'm a porn producer, do I have to check the party

affiliation of anyone I sell a movie too? Does that make one a conservative?

[imenja]

55. look, calm down

All I said is that there is no reason to assume porn companies are liberal. Holy shit, you are defensive. Peddle all the smut you want. No one here is going to stop you. It must be nice to be in such a lucrative business.

[mongo]

57. No, there's a good reason to belive that the porn companies

are liberal. By all the editorials, GOTV campaigns, and other work that they did leading up to the election.

As for lucrative, my wife and I have been working 50-60hrs/week for over two years now, with no health insurance. But that's the reality of being a small business in a small city under the Bush economy.

[imenja]

60. depends how high up on the food chain you go

I imagine, as with any industry, there are a wide variety of companies. I know that huge corporations profit from the hotel porn (based on my extensive knowledge from watching 20/20). I have no doubt that many companies have a great deal invested in protecting their first amendment rights, and I don't dispute that. I do wish there could be a way to keep that stuff out of my email box. It bothers many of us to face dozens of emails every day about bestiality and other things I would really prefer to not think about. The right to free speech for porn depends on that speech, access to porn, being voluntary rather than forced on the rest of us.

[pbartch]

43. Yep......a company selling PORN is trying to buy Hollywood Video

2nd largest Video rental company in the USA.

Porn is gonna be everywhere.

[Quakerfriend]

4. This, I believe, could be their undoing

You are so right when you say, "The pornographic world is a cash crop, and to the Right, money is worthy of worship."

We need to squawk loudly about the R's use of "the war on drugs" to make money, as well.

They have allowed the opium crop to triple in Afghanistan in this past year, after announcing in '03 that it had all been eradicated. Why?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. after announcing in '03 that it had all been eradicated. Why?

Why you ask? Just listen and all will be revealed.

http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/media/audio/Art_Bell/art%20bell%20-%20Mike%20Ruppert%20-%20The%20%20Truth%20&%20Lies%20of%20911%20%28pt1%29.mp3

http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/media/audio/Art_Bell/art%20bell%20-%20Mike%20Ruppert%20-%20The%20%20Truth%20&%20Lies%20of%20911%20%28pt2%29.mp3

[jdots]

6. The San Fernando Valley is where alot of porn is made

If you want to see " W " stickers on fancy cars parked in front of houses that are porn factories come to the Valley.The porn bizz plays on being liberal but they are anything but liberal.Someone will bring up Larry Flint,it is hard to look a gift horse in the mouth.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. Don't you think it's time that we wipe the mud off the party image

and fling it back to where it belongs? Don't you think it's time we open the eyes of the Republican voters and show them that their party is their worst nightmare?

[mongo]

36. Starting to show your bias here in this post?

Divide and conquer.

[mongo]

35. And I suppose that no cars had a Kerry Sticker Either.

There is absolutly no reason to belive that the Adult Industry has a repub bias - especially if you are in it and talk to people and read the trade mags and belong to the free speech coalition.

[Pepperbelly]

8. I don't think porn has an ideology.

And no, I am not naive. I never thought of it as liberal or conservative or anything else political. The only nexus with politics is the issue of free speech.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. I think it's time to expose the industry and its ties to the conservative

party because I don't think most people realize that one exists.

[asthmaticeog]

20. Gannon is a tie to prostitution, not pornography.

The pornographic websites maintained by Guckert are pornographic in nature only for the purpose of selling himself as a prostitute; they're not pornogrphic as an end in itself. Prostitution and pron aren't the same thing. You'll need to uncover some RW campaign donations by porn manufacturers to make the connection you've thus far failed to make using only one extremely bizarre incident as an example.

edit: spelling

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. Good points.

But I think it would be naive not to see that the two industries can be incestual at times.

[asthmaticeog]

22. Actually not so much as you seem to be assuming.

I have a friend who works directly with Larry Flynt, so I know a bit of the skinny on some of this stuff. Most of the performers look down on prostitution as much as anyone else, as there's a world of difference between performance-sex and the one-on-one sexual servicing of strangers for direct pay. If a model or performer gets busted hooking, they're generally done for, as no-one will work with him or her because of the disease risk being introduced into the porn "talent" pool. Those who've done prostitution for publicity/career reasons do so legally in big-money Nevada brothels where disease-checks are a daily routine. There's approximately zero crossover between adult film actors and illegal prostitution, excepting shall-we-say "newbies" who've hooked to start before going into adult film/photo work.

[The Backlash Cometh]

25. One exception is enough for me.

Besides, it looks like Washington likes them young. The old seem to be sloughed off to the pornography industry and now it seems to the media whore one.

[freeplessinseattle]

62. A lot of rethugs frequent prostitutes, my friend is in the industry

and in Seattle of all places she's encountered many self-proclaimed repukes, not that she takes polls, but over the years especially recently when she advertised with political signs some repukes would see her but feel the need to say right off the bat "I don't agree with your political beliefs..but I think you're hot" or something along those lines (why they felt the need to announce this she has no idea, but then again they'd often launch into a "when I was your age I was a democrat, blah, blah, you'll change your mind when you get older" (she's 34)

to illustrate, here is a link to a popular national escort review site (I already looked for Gannon reviews, but no male escort reviews on this site, but that would have been fun) in their "politics" forum:

http://theeroticreview.com/discussion/politics/

(there's a poster named "J.Gannon-Talon News" btw, thought tahtw as funny)

[mongo]

37. Maybe it's time to stop posting propaganda

so if I'm a fim producer and I can get a deal with a cable company should I not take the deal because they are republican?

Maybe I should check someones political beliefs before I sell them a movie. As it is, I got a lot of flack for posting a Kerry sign in my window in this very red area.

[vi5]

11. No, because what will happen if the right's connection is exposed...

..is the same thing that happened with Gannon. It won't become an issue of their hypocricy. It will be turned around to the left being close minded and prudish.

The issue is free speech and people's freedoms to do what they want within the boundaries of the law. That will never be how it is framed.

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. I think it's worth the risk.

In my extended family, we have one evangelical Christian. A WASP. Over the last 20 years, I've watched her pick the family apart, depending on who's on her shit list at the time. The point is, she is never happy with anybody, not even her own children. She always has something bad to say about someone. At one point, it was my brother-in-law and his family she targeted. She even took me aside and explained how we would have to rely on each other because there are problems on that side of the family and they don't quite speak to her. And that might have been true. On that side there was one out of wedlock child, and another with a marriage with a pregnant bride. And of course, these are incidents which the WASP sister-in-law couldn't help but point out, which only alienated her further.

Then when the Republican hate fest started, she found something that she could use to bind her to that side of the family. She used me as a binding force. Suddenly, I became their target because I represented liberalism to them. And they had their conservative talking points to bind them. I was dark, Hispanic and different. I became a symbol of minorities getting a free ride off their tax dollars. They even asked curiously how my son could be projected to reach 6 feet when no one on their side of the family was that tall. It was an ill-disguised attempt to suggest that my son was illegitimate.

Where I never had one qualm with the other side of the family, I suddenly found no reason to see them again. Yet, I know that their conservative talking points are on shaky ground and getting shakier. I know that I can pop their high morality balloon just by doing one thing. And that's convincing half of them, about the manipulation and negativity of the WASP bitch.

So, in conclusion, I think bringing out their hypocrisy is paramount. If for no other reason, to let them know why they're living in a house of cards.

[vi5]

13. Don't you understand? We're not dealing with rational people...

Look at all that has come out about the hypocricy of the religious right and this administration. Look at all that has come out about the crimes, the death, the violence, the torture, the manipulation. All of this stuff only makes their cult defend them more vigorously. Nothing, nothing any of us do or say will make them think otherwise because for them to do so would admit that they were/are wrong and we were/are right. Nobody on the right in that party will do that. This is not about real piousness or real spirituality. For them it is all a pose for public appearances and they will never, ever give that up and if you point it out to them it will only make them cling harder to it. Which is why on an issue such as porn it's tricky. Because the end result will be them lashing out not at their party or their politicians for taking this money, but the pornographers and the people on the left for TEMPTING their good people with this stuff in the first place.

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. marketing is everything; and here the Republicans have the upper

hand. Even you have bought their pile of crap. What I'm trying to say is that you can't reach them all, but you can separate the moderate Republicans from the right-wing fruitcakes, like my sister-in-law. At one time, those fruitcakes were even a pain in the ass to their moderate in-laws, don't you see? All we have to do is frame the argument and show the moderates that the conservatives are once again showing that their position is vacuous -- without bearing -- and that that kind of stupidity is reflecting off them.

[vi5]

18. Sorry then...I misunderstood....

I agree that the key to the aforementioned house of cards is peeling off the moderate republicans. But I am just also skeptical that will happen as well. People like Giullianni and Christie Whitman and Schwarzenager and on a more personal level my father in law, have all said that they are republicans and will stay that way even though they disagree with some of the things in their party platform. What it's going to take is them eating their own in the form of more far right contingents going after moderate republicans and showing them who runs their party. But I just think the ultimate effect of that will be that they are succesfful and moderate republicans will just lose their offices not leave the party and become democrats. They'll continue to be used as window dressing.

[Ian David]

19. Republicans pollute their children's environment with chemicals

Why would they have any qualms about "polluting" it with porn?

[jayfish]

14. One Of The Biggest Purveyors Of Porn...

in America is none other than Rupert Murdoch. DirecTv has four or five channels of, 24-hour, "hard-core" porn. But I never seem to hear anything about it. I wonder if Senator Stevens had ol' Rupert in mind when he made his dumb-ass comment about regulating decency on mediums other than broadcast. Somehow I don't think so.

Jay

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. Why aren't the Dems seizing the opportunity?

Why is everything left to Jon Stewart?

[jayfish]

17. The Democratic Party...

is near-death. Sure, it still occupies space on the House and Senate floor but thats about it. I don't know what's going to take it's place but a party modeled after the ideological leanings of Bernie Sanders would be right up my ally.

Jay

[Rann]

23. (sigh)

Very sad i have to agree with you 100%




Also this makes my very first post

[jayfish]

24. Welcome To DU.

It's something I have been thinking for awhile but the whole bankruptcy thing has solidified it for me.

Jay

[newyawker99]

26. Hi Rann!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[plcdude]

27. check out this

article that shows the connection between politicians and porn-based companies. Remarkably Republican! http://www.citizensforethics.org/activities/campaign.php?view=31

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. Thanks.

I still don't know why the porn industry would want to feed their campaign chests if they actively vote against the porn industry; so I suspect there is another connection. Perhaps the members do nothing to introduce legislation that will hurt the industry. The money guarantees that they'll look the other way or that they will attack only "loud liberals" like Larry Flynt, instead of porn companies that promise discretion for conservatives.

[mongo]

38. No it shows the connection between politicians and CABLE

companies. Not with the porn companies themselves.

So, if you had a product for sale, would you ONLY sell it to democrats?

[Touchdown]

29. The issue is much deeper than that.

We are talking about human nature, which all humans have in common. We are social, and as a result sexual animals, no matter what our worldview is. Sex, and sexual politics will always be a factor in any given discourse, no matter who's side either argument is on.

Throughout time, there have been people who purvey, capitalize, exploit, or just plain share their natural sexual instincts and urges with whatever marketable and technological means available in their given era. Video, satellite, cable, and internet porn are no different than the stag flicks of the film era, romance novels of the 70s, pillow books of the 19th century, erotic paintings of the Reniassance, tantric knowledge/lessons of ancient India, nude sculptures of ancient Rome and Greece, and of course the worship and seed sacrifice of fertility gods/goddesses just about everywhere. All of this time, prostitution was a staple in any society, in any history, even during the Inquisition where puratinism and conformity was paramount above all else. There was no ideological side to any of these, even though many factions tried to make it so, which includes the GOP now. As I said, it's always been an offshoot of human nature. To sexualize everything, because it's the only universal 'language' to borrow a cliche.

What angle you really need to follow, is the hypocrisy of the GOP when they denounce porn and at the same time capitalizing on it, and also the hypocrisy of their denials of the variety of expressions of their own humanity.

Any offshoot, or 'technological' expression of human sexuality can never be contained, destroyed, or successfully supressed, because it hasn't ever been successfully eradicated, no matter how many stake burnings, or National Enquirer front page exposes make examples out of a few. This would include the Porn industry today. The only logical course to take is to point out the hypocrisy of the right wing in trying to put it all back in a bottle that broke centuries ago.

[mongo]

39. But that is not the intention of the author of this post

who only wants to get rid of porn by any means necessary. Including posting blatant propaganda that has NO basis in reality.

[The Backlash Cometh]

42. Are you referring to my intentions?

My intention is to show that conservatives benefit through the porn industry and, thus, should be exposed for their moral value hypocrisy. I also wish to point out that the porn industry isn't exclusively loyal to liberals. It's a business that will do what businesses do best, buy access and get legislation passed on their behalf from whatever party they can gain access. So, if I have any agenda at all, it's to diminish the pain of having to associate with them on the left, by showing that they're friends of the right as well.

Heaven forbid that I should try to take away their free speech rights to flash their privates about. I only step in when it's obvious that they're infringing on minors.

[mongo]

45. It seems your intention is to show that the porn industry has

a conservative bias.

though we've come to believe that pornographers are liberal, (and certainly the liberal party has taken its hits for that association), are they really liberal in the ideological sense? Or is this just another business decision of convenience?

My main question is this, are we being naive in believing that people who delve in the pornographic world are loyal to liberalism?

Why should it come as a surprise that the industry plays both sides? It has a public face on the liberal side, (which also weakens the liberal side because of the morality issue), but a private face on the conservative side, where money for campaigns and lavish lifestyles are always in demand, and few question where it's coming from?

As unbelievable as it sounds, I bought into the belief that
pornographers and liberalism were ideological partners; and for a while, a very short while, I believed what the civil libertarians claimed. That protecting pornographer's rights, protected mine. Now I'm beginning to sense a betrayal. Siding with Dems on civil rights issues which have been important to me opened me up to a barrage of criticism because the party's affiliations with the pornographic world. If that industry is playing us for a patsy, I think it should be the subject of open discourse.

Don't you think it's time that we wipe the mud off the party image
and fling it back to where it belongs? Don't you think it's time we open the eyes of the Republican voters and show them that their party is their worst nightmare?

I still don't know why the porn industry would want to feed their campaign chests if they actively vote against the porn industry; so I suspect there is another connection.

You've used a report where repubs have been connected to CABLE companies that show porn, and tried to paint the porn industry as conservatives in disguise, when the industry as a whole was against Bush, and every trade assoc, and many of the film companies ACTIVELY worked for Kerry to be elected.

It's like saying I'm a conservative if I don't check my customer's party affiliation before selling them a movie.

[The Backlash Cometh]

46. I'm sorry Mongo. I couldn't get past the first sentence.

You're so defensive that you are blinded and can't see the realities that the rest of us have to consider. We support your right to free speech, but please have the decency to see that the left has suffered greatly for giving that support to the porn industry. My intention is not to reduce that support, but to show that the porn industry is also on the Right and it is my hope that that realization will diminish the Right's ability to monopolize the high ground on moral values which continually dominates the political attention of the voters.

[mongo]

48. The porn idustry is not on the right

and that's my point. If you read my posts or were actually connected to the industry you would see that.

Am I defensive? Hell yes, I'm furious. I'm sick of being attacked by both the right and the left.

The industry actively worked for Kerry. The Free Speech Coalition, the Assoc of Club Execs, and Adult Video News were very vocal about it and had active GOTV and pro-Kerry campaigns.

[The Backlash Cometh]

63. Well, I'm sure you'll understand if I don't take your word for it.

I think the point is, that under this big tent, we need to know how to accomodate everyone's interest, without being blinded by any special interest group. We can protect your free speech rights, but we won't help you hide your business methods if it means tapping into the conservative political base.

[mongo]

66. What I understand is that you don't really care to find the truth

You took an article about the connection of repubs to cable companies and hotel chains that happen to show porn and turned it into an attack on the porn industry.

I get Democracy Now and the Daily Show on my Direct TV. Does this make Rupert Murdock a liberal? If your local convenience store sells cigarettes, does that make them a part of the tobacco industry?

The Porn Industry is those companies that create or distribute sexually oriented entertainment and those stores whose PRIMARY business is the selling of such material.

The "porn industry" is not ATT & Comcast. It is like saying that if F911 gets shown on pay-per-view cable, Michael Moore is now a conservative in disguise.

Before you say "I was just pointing out the hypocrisy", look at your own comments:

though we've come to believe that pornographers are liberal, (and certainly the liberal party has taken its hits for that association), are they really liberal in the ideological sense? Or is this just another business decision of convenience?

My main question is this, are we being naive in believing that people who delve in the pornographic world are loyal to liberalism?

Why should it come as a surprise that the industry plays both sides? It has a public face on the liberal side, (which also weakens the liberal side because of the morality issue), but a private face on the conservative side, where money for campaigns and lavish lifestyles are always in demand, and few question where it's coming from?

As unbelievable as it sounds, I bought into the belief that
pornographers and liberalism were ideological partners; and for a while, a very short while, I believed what the civil libertarians claimed. That protecting pornographer's rights, protected mine. Now I'm beginning to sense a betrayal. Siding with Dems on civil rights issues which have been important to me opened me up to a barrage of criticism because the party's affiliations with the pornographic world. If that industry is playing us for a patsy, I think it should be the subject of open discourse.

Don't you think it's time that we wipe the mud off the party image
and fling it back to where it belongs? Don't you think it's time we open the eyes of the Republican voters and show them that their party is their worst nightmare?

I still don't know why the porn industry would want to feed their campaign chests if they actively vote against the porn industry; so I suspect there is another connection.

---------------------

By your inaccurate and overly broad definition of the porn industry, you have managed to paint pornographers as wolves in sheep clothing.

Don't believe me if that helps your world view, but being involved in the business, I know how hard the industry worked as a whole to get Kerry elected. The whole industry has been scared shitless of Bush for the past four years. The porn industry has the most to lose of anyone from the actions of the Bush administration, and Bush's supreme court nominees.

Are there conservative pornographers? Sure, there are a few. But as someone who IS connected to the industry, I know that the trade associations, trade magazines and many film companies were very active in helping the democratic party as a whole. To paint them as otherwise, because YOU find the product distasteful, is doing them (and me) a great disservice.

[leftofthedial]

30. amorality correlates strongly with the new "conservatism"

hypocrisy correlates strongly with neotheocon-ism

Is pornography immoral, or amoral?

Most pornographers are ultra-laissez faire capitalists--they'll do nearly anything for money. Ubercapitalists are generally "conservative." They hide behind civil liberty when it suits them, but have no love of true liberty or anyone else's rights.

[mongo]

40. And you must love "liberty" and other people's "rights"

because you are painting a picture without any facts.

[mongo]

31. You can all GO FUCK YOURSELVES!

I am very offended by this thread. Are there conservatives in the porn industry? Sure. There are conservatives in EVERY industry. But to try to put some link between the porn industry and conservatives is ludicrous!

Do you read the trade magazines? Belong to the Free Speech Coalition, the trade assoc. for the adult industry? I'll bet you don't.

Both AVN (Adult Video News) and the free speech coalition have railed against Bush for the first four years and continue to do so.

This is just another attempt to divide and conquer. Sex has been used to control people's lives by the church and government for centuries - they are losing this edge. Shame is a powerful motivator.

[jayfish]

51. Candy-gram For Mongo.

Mongo:

Dude, chill. I think the point of all of this is to highlight Republican hypocrisy on the porn issue. I don't think anyone isn't pointing a finger at the porn industry as being Republican. :hi:

Jay

[JHB]

54. I think Mongo has every right to be defensive...

Just because the intent is to expose Republican hypocricy on this issue, don't assume that would stay the focus of what Backlash seems to be proposing. This is something that is easily co-opted for other less enlightened purposes, and I think the gain is much less than Backlash seems to think.

[mongo]

41. Here's some REAL information for you

I wish I wasn't stuck at the register or I'd go out back and post the titles of the editorials in the print version of AVN for 2004 which aren't online - very, very pro-Kerry and GOTV.

From AVN.COM just type BUSH into the search box.

Bush's Conservative Judiciary Nominations Not Likely to Pass This Term Either http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=204688

Bush Nominates Alberto Gonzales to Succeed Ashcroft http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=204924

Bush Calls for Constitutional Amendment Banning Same Sex Marriages http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=75110

Evangelical Movement Basks in Bush's Inaugural Glow
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=214117

Wisconsin Strip Clubs Drive to Dump Bush
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=95624

No More Bush Campaign Launched at Hustler Hollywood
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=201496

Angel Cassidy, Others To Promote "No More Bush" Campaign at Hustler Hollywood
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=201211

Bush Is A Fool, Part Umpteen
http://www.avn.com/blog/blog/archives/2005/02/bush_is_a_fool.html

Porn For Progress Zaps Bush In New Adult DVD
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=199315

Same-Sex Marriages Begin in Massachusetts; Bush Renews Calls for Amendment
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=86027

Bush Names This Week National Protection From Pornography Week
http://www.avn.com/avn/?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=43910

Chi Chi LaRue Launches Web Campaign To ‘Lick Bush’
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=81161

Bush Against Condom Tax Exemption
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=21147

So, where's the conservative bias? You can't find it because THERE ISN'T ONE! The adult industry as a whole worked very hard for Kerry with GOTV and other campaigns.

You're premise is FALSE. If I SELL a movie to a conservative, does that make ME a conservative too? It's the CABLE companies that have a conservative bias, not the porn companies.

[jdots]

47. No one is attacking you

I mistook this thread as being about the repub's bullshit righteous attitudes and how they mess with the first amendment.
As for Murdock,he doesn't care about politics,he uses them.

[Catherine Vincent]

56. I didn't read all of the messages here but I am sure it's been said

that Larry Flynt reported that most of his magazines were sold in red states.

[Jon8503]

58. The Biggest Movers Of Porn Are Republican Conservative

Businesses. Look at all the large corporate movers of porn such as Comcast and others which allows X-Rated movies on its Pay Per View Channels. I am not criticizing them for it but I also think Fox has some of the most adult cable shows on TV, Murdoch is not a liberal.

Republicans just use porn the same way they use the idea that dems are weak on defense. The problem is our current crop of dem leaders is allowing this to happen. They are some of the worst violators of so called family values but again people think it is us liberals that are hedonists.

These family oriented conservatives are polluting the environment for their children, supporting pornography and sending our young Americans to die in a war that was started on a lie.

[Jon8503]

65. Addicted to Porn: How Members of Congress Benefit from Pornography

Indecency and pornography have become hot button political issues over the past couple of years. Indeed, many Members of Congress have made “moral values” a platform on which to base political campaigns and consider themselves crusaders intent on protecting Americans from debauchery. As examples of our national moral decay, members have pointed to the baring of Janet Jackson’s breast during the 2003 Super Bowl half-time show, the Howard Stern radio show, and even the airing of “Saving Private Ryan.”

Yet while denouncing the decline in public morality, many of those same Members accept money from corporations that derive substantial profits from pornography. Although they do not advertise it, companies as diverse as Comcast and Marriott International make enormous amounts of money by selling pornography. Ironically, some of this money winds up in the political war chests of pornography’s most outspoken Congressional critics.

In the following report, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) reveals that some of the Members of Congress who publicly rail against the evils of pornography are only too happy to accept political contributions from those who derive income from the sale of pornography. These Members allege support for legislation penalizing obscenity one moment and fill their campaign coffers with pornography profits the next. It is this rank hypocrisy that this report exposes.
(Get the report from link)

http://www.citizensforethics.org/activities/campaign.php?view=31

[porphyrian]

59. Porn is as blatant as possible.

It's about sex and money, and it doesn't pretend to be anything else, unless that turns you on and you pay for it.

[amazona]

61. pornography is not an issue, it's a hobby

I can assure you from personal experience that there are conservatives, nay, even rightwing extremists who are into porn and unusual sexualities. Don't forget Bob Livingston. For that matter, don't forget Poland.

:-)

Everybody enjoys porn and everybody enjoys putting their own twist on sex, the rightwing just wants to stop YOU from enjoying it. You see, it's spoiled for them if "everybody" is enjoying their lives. Group sex, gay orgies, S&M dungeons...it isn't special any more if middle class people do it. The aristocracy wishes to keep such pleasures to itself.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[The Backlash Cometh]

64. You know, I don't even think they're really trying to stop us from

seeing it. I agree with you completely up to your last paragraph. What I believe is that they may use their public disapproval of pornography to play to their conservative voters, but if they shut anyone down, it will be porn corporations which do not have direct connections to them. Those that do play to the conservative interests, are probably left alone. Call it protection money.