The RW hate-mongers may deny it, but they are responsible

[11 Bravo]

for much of the domestic terrorism in this country. Think about it. The Repugs rode into power decrying government as an "abuse of power" and calling federal agents "jack-booted thugs". Limbaugh and the rest of the echo chamber parrotted this view. Not long after the inception of that campaign, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal building was destroyed and 168 innocent lives lost. Then abortion providers were portrayed as murderers. How many physicians and their assistants have paid with their lives for that particular canard? Now Bush and his talking head minions are wailing about "activist judges", and presto, it's open season on the judiciary. If self-impportant pricks like Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Reilly want to crow about how influential they are, shouldn' t they bear some responnsibility for the violence they incite among their deranged followers?

[shoelace414]

1. some country in Africa

put the blame for ethnic cleansing on hate radio.

We have hate radio here too.

[Warpy]

6. The genocide in Rwanda started with hate radio

The Nazis found out that if you gave a population permission to hate and supplied them with a target, they'd do your dirty work for you.

Hate radio also figured in the ethnic violence in both Bosnia and Kosovo.

Unopposed hate is the problem. This is why we need the Fairness Doctrine. Make those haters stand up to someone who opposes them.

This country is bitterly divided, and hate radio is to blame. Unless we can figure out how to oppose their message, we're likely to see more and more violence from the people who have been given permission to hate liberals, women, gays, and poor people.

[Zuni]

2. amen

but this guy was on trial for rape (the dude who shot the judge). I think he wanted to get away and kill his personal enemies

[Squeech]

3. Yeah, but

every time anybody calls Limbaugh on that sort of thing, he shrugs it off and says "Hey, I'm just an entertainer!"

Which is much more polite than what O'Reilly says, of course.

[Jesus Saves]

4. Right wing domestic terrorism goes back a long way

back to the days of the KKK, and lynching....

There's a lot of blood on the hands of the right wing, a lot of blood.

Left wing terrorists, like the Weatherman, went out of their way not to hurt anyone. PETA, likewise.

Right wing domestic terrorists have a bloodlust, and heartily enjoy killing as many as they can - just like any other right winger.

[agitpropagent9]

7. terrorists are terrorists

"Left wing terrorists, like the Weatherman, went out of their way not to hurt anyone."

you're kidding, right?

[Jesus Saves]

8. They did

I'm not for a second defending the wanton destruction of property, but it is true that when they struck the buildings were empty, or as empty as they could be...

Wheras, OKC...well, we all know how that turned out.

If you made up list of Americans killed by right wingers, and Americans killed by left wingers, oh boy, that would be a lop sided comparison!

[Coastie for Truth]

9. I'm an old geezer - around in the 1960's

and "Jesus Saves" (post 4) is pretty close to correct.

And I live in the bluest of the blue states.

[Jesus Saves]

10. The only people the WU killed were themselves

when one of their bombs went off accidently in their house...

They always struck when buildings were empty.

Right wing terrorists, on the other hand, they'll kill as many people (women and children included) as they possibly can.

[agitpropagent9]

12. what were the three in greenwich

gonna do with that bomb had it not exploded and killed them? they were going to use it to kill soldiers and their dates at a dance at ft. dix.

how about the SLA? how about a dead african-american school superintendant? kidnapping? bank robberies?

i have no interest in comparing body counts among various rw and lw groups.

i'm pointing out the utter hypocrisy of condemning terrorism of one sort while romanticizing another variety simply because they more closely match your political views.

[Jesus Saves]

13. I'm not 'romanticizing' it

I'm just saying the right wing terrorists in this country have a body count that rivals that of Saddam Hussein. There are more right wing terrorists in this country than left wing terrorists, and there always has been, and they are more violent and bloodthirsty. And that is just the straight up truth.

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[Jesus Saves]

18. Are you saying that people can't renounce something and change their ways?

Once a segregationist always a segregationist. Is that how you felt Strom Thurmond?

One thing's for sure: Byrd completely changed his ways a long time ago.

[iconoclastNYC]

5. Yes.

More needs to be made of the fact that the only domestic terrorists we've had in the past 20 years have been from the far right. And then the right in general needs to be smeared with this fact.

This tactic is used against us. O'Reilly is saying the ACLU is a terrorist group, and the corporate media makes paints all anti-war demonstrators with the pinko-anarcist brush.

[annabanana]

11. Message to Limbaugh & O'Reilly

You claim to understand the ‘radical left’ but you have no clue who they really are. Not a single person here is a radical leftist, and that’s something the right wing doesn’t understand.

Our culture has been falsely cast so far to the right that people who tout universal health care, gay rights and alternative energy are considered “radical” when in reality we are just mainsteam liberals. You in fact seem to be a moderate conservative, not a progressive or a liberal of any flavor. The fact that you vote Democratic just underlines how far the GOP has shifted itself. Just because everyone is drinking scotch doesn’t make the liquor any less hardcore.

Truly “radical” leftists are violent anarchists with the mentality of the mobs. They are created by the spark of revolution, and they flare up like the flames of an inferno. Have you ever seen the chaos of a crowd driven mad? They don’t discuss politics with the opposition. They kill them in their beds. They beat them to death like skinheads. They are a distorted, mirror image of the worst of the far right. We haven’t seen them yet, but they are coming.

The right wing in their hubris and imperial majesty think they can control these violent radicals that are forming as a result of this far right embrace of fascism but the forces of chaos are always stronger than the forces of law, and they always will be especially now that we live in the nuclear age. It is much easier to destroy than to create. The same flawed judgment that brought us the war plans for Iraq and its current miserable state of affair and security will bring that recipe here when the storms begins.

The tighter the grip, the stronger the blow will be. This country will burn itself into radioactive glass before the right wing reaches the police state they want. Progressive liberals like myself will be the first to fall either trying to stop the mobs or gunned down by the police when the roundups begin. Caught in the middle trying to stop the fight as we have often been throughout history.

But conservatives like yourself will fall shortly afterwards, their walled communities overrun. Doors kicked in. Men shot to death defending their homes after the ammunition has run out. Wives and daughters raped and killed. Then on to the next house. Mobs don’t reason either. When chaos reaches a critical mass, it takes on a life of its own. Like Pandora’s Box, once opened, it will consume all that stands before it.

Me and you, us and them.

But, by all means, please keep pushing the country farther right. Just don’t be surprised when the door comes crashing in on you. I won’t be able to help you then. As they drag you outside in your final moments, please don’t be surprised. You had ample warning.

[HansMeyer]

14. What's the difference ....

What's the difference between a well-known and outspoken conservative pundit and a pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic white supremacist?

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 26 February 2002

"For now it is sufficient for us to eliminate the consciously evil portion of the population-plus a few hundred thousand of our morally crippled "good citizens" across the country, as an example to the rest."

- from "The Turner Diaries," by William L. Pierce, writing under the pseudonym "Andrew MacDonald."

[tom_paine]

15. Absolutely. Not only that, but if times get tough they are programmed

to respond not as Free People, as the Old American Republic responded to the Great Depression, by seeking solutions and trying to pull out of it.

No, Imperial Amerika's response to economic calamity is likely to be far closer to Nazi Germany's, finding and prosecuting scapegoats, using the calamity as an excuse to further steal and destroy the Nation in order to possess it.

Even now, with probably three-quarter of the Imperial Subjects of Amerika being born and raised in Old Free America, people would probably gravitate in this direction under the gentle ministartions of the Bush Propaganda Machine.

What do you think would happen in 30 years, when less than HALF of the Imperial Subjects even hold misty half-memories of Life in Free Amerika.

What will Amerikans do THEN if something calamatous happens.

Hope I won't be alive to se it. On the other hand, LIHOPs #2 and perhaps #3 may well be in store for this summer/fall in order to make way for the necessary draft, so that may be a vain hope.

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[Jesus Saves]

19. Got any evidence for that?

Of course you don't.

[Enraged_Ape]

20. Back on the oxycontin, again...

huh, Rush?

Be careful with that stuff.