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RobertKennedyjr Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:59 PM
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The Democratic Party needs a platform
We can point out the republican atrocities, which much of the population is uniformed about, but people need a reason to vote for us, and once we do this, they will side with us because most Americans care about the values we do.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:01 PM
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1. OK, you go first with suggestions please
Edited on Sat Mar-12-05 10:03 PM by uppityperson
I'm not sure what you're talking about as the Dems do have a platform. I am confused and ready to be enlightened. Thank you.

Edited to add: I forgot, welcome to DU
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:43 PM
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15. We have a limited platform.
Can you sum up what the Democratic party is about? Protecting the little guy? Perhaps, but our party has become rather pro-corporation recently. Frankly, I don't know what the Democratic Party's vision for the country is. I know what a progressive vision for it is, but the Party has not come around to that yet.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:27 PM
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34. One idea: how about simply the golden rule?
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 04:00 PM by wildflower
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." I think this encompasses just about everything that Democrats strive to do.

For something longer, I liked these remarks from Dennis Kucinich's speech at the DNC:


We, Democrats, in convention united. We who built this country with the sweat of our brow, we, the steelworkers, autoworkers, the miners, the aircraft workers, communication workers, the laborers, the people who teach the children, who farm the land, who drive the trucks, who clean the streets; we who hunger for justice, who nurse the sick, who represent the oppressed, who serve the meals, who stand at check out counters, who build the bridges, who sleep under the bridges, who hunger for food; we, who put out the fires, who police the streets; who protect this nation and the freedoms we celebrate tonight: the soldiers, the sailors, marines and airforce. We Democrats assemble united for John Kerry, united to recreate our nation with the power of the ballot, to transform it with the power of the human heart and the power of the human spirit. Out of many, we Democrats are one.

<...>

The history of social and economic progress in America was written by the Democratic party. Democrats are the party of the minimum wage. The forty hour week. Time and a half for overtime. We are the party of the right to organize, the right to collective bargaining, the right to strike, the right to a safe workplace, the right to a secure retirement. We are the party of workers' rights, civil rights, and women's rights. We are the party of national health care for senior citizens, of social security, public education and rural electrification. When we show up holding the banner of social and economic justice, we win. And now must create a new America.

<...>

It's been said: "Once we walk there will be a path." So let us blaze a new path with John Kerry and John Edwards. This convention will lead us toward the victory not just of a party, but the victory of the American people over fear, a victory of hope over despair, of faith over cynicism. A victory for health care, for civil liberties, for workers' rights, for human rights, for the environment, for peace.


the rest is at http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/ec/demconv/2708850

-wildflower
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:32 PM
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35. Well said!
What a nice post!
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:55 PM
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38. Thank you, H20 man. Those words from Kucinich have always stuck with me.
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 03:59 PM by wildflower
I've been thinking some more on the golden rule and how I would apply it as a legislator with Democratic values:

"If I were a veteran, I would want to know that I and my family would be taken care of."
"If I were disabled, I would want to be assured I could live independently."
"If I were any citizen, I would want to be assured of my social security benefits."
"If I were a middle class or poor citizen, I would not want to have to live in fear that a sudden illness could put me into bankruptcy."
"If I were any citizen, I would want to be able to sleep at night knowing I and my family had health care."
"If I were a woman, I would want the choice over what to do with my own body."
"If I were a minority, I would want the same right to vote as everyone else."

And many, many more examples can be added to this.

It even applies in the way the two parties campaign. Democrats prefer to fight fair, not dirty.

Can you think of any Democratic values where it wouldn't quite apply as an overarching vision?

-wildflower
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:02 PM
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39. I think that Dennis K is an important influence
on our society today; however, when I noted that your post was "well said," I meant you! Your posts convey a gentle strength, and I think that is the single most important thing for the democratic party today.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:19 PM
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40. "Gentle strength" and the Democratic party - I like it!
And thank you again; you made my day. :) I've been feeling lately that my posts are kind of useless, though I know we all have posts and threads that don't get replied to.

Back to gentle strength...it reminds me of another idea I had back during the campaign when Kerry was being portrayed as 'weak' for uttering the word 'sensitive.' I thought the Democrats could do with a slogan like "We don't just fight harder, we fight smarter" (or something like that). I also like the saying of Teddy Roosevelt (?): "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

I believe Democrats don't have to fight dirty or ruthlessly. They can be smart and assertive, and still fair and tough, whether it's in the political arena or in the area of national security.

Anyway, thanks again for your kind and insightful posts. :hi:

-wildflower
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:34 PM
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43. One of my favorite people
is Muhammad Ali. It's a strange thing, but many (perhaps most) boxers are gentle people. I respect Ali not only for his skill in the sport of my youth, but for having the strength to stand up to Uncle Sam and refuse to be drafted during the Vietnam War.

Recently, with the help of one of his daughters, Ali wrote a book that is far beyond simple "autobiography." Now that he is dealing with a disease that has made him a prisoner in his own body, the man has gone inside himself .... and the result is beautiful. It is further proof that the greatest strength is indeed gentleness.

You are not wasting your time here! Perhaps the less reaction you get is an indicator that it is even more important that you continue to say the things you do. In a very short time, humanity will come to recognize that gentleness, kindness, and forgiveness offer our species the last avenue to a continued existence. And so that still small voice guides us through the madness of the day.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 06:32 PM
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46. You are right about the struggle within engendered by illness.
There is so much that it forces you to learn.

I knew that Ali had Parkinson's and had been wondering how he's doing.

As we consider peace in this coming week, I'd love to see you post a thread about Muhammad Ali and his life. (If you have before, I missed it; please forgive.) One of the things that jumped out at me from your post above - and maybe you can mention this if you start a thread on it - was that boxers are gentle people. It's something I hadn't considered before and I wondered why it is.

-wildflower

P.S. I hope you continue to post as well! I have been impressed by your well-informed and well-written messages.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:14 AM
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20. Exactly
http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v002/www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

If it looks, tastes, smells like a platform, it must be a platform!

Maybe the question needs to be rephrased.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:19 AM
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25. RobertKennedyjr, where are you?
Please explain your premis.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:02 PM
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2. Welcome to DU. What you say is true. Do YOU have any good
suggestions?
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:03 PM
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3. Is this a real Robert Kennedy Jr. or a fake?
I'm curious. ;)
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:10 PM
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4. Most do care about jobs, education, etc....
But when the issues are framed and manipulated in the insidious ways that the pukes have done...then the game is rigged.

The media is rigged, the voting machines are rigged...etc.
People are getting a paranoid sense that they are better off "being in the game".

But I agree with you in this sense...which is counter to a large portion of DU....
We don't gain by countering the game with another game.
We counter best with the truth. And the only way that occurs is from me to you and from you to your friends, etc etc.
Talk about it everyday...to those at work, to friends and family. If everyone here did that, the 60,000 would suddenly become at least 6 million with a few chain events.

The bottom line is this...you don't necessarily need a perfect formula to counter...that's THEIR line...not ours.

Ours is one of continuous thinking and working on things...not necessarily a pat answer.

The swing vote is only about that or less...so keep the overall thought of pressing forward alive.
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RobertKennedyjr Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:21 PM
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6. Humanitarian values: welfare and healthcare for everybody
and helping people help themselves.


http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/001123.php#1123



* Caring and Responsibility carried out with strength
* Protection, Fulfillment in life, fairness
* Freedom, Opportunity, Prosperity
* Community, Service, Cooperation
* Trust, Honesty, Communication
STRENGTH:
You have to be strong and competent to carry out your responsibilities.

SAFETY AND PROTECTION:
A nurturing parent wants his/her family to be safe, which requires that they protect them, and themselves, from harm. The motivation to protect others comes from empathy, and the ability to do so comes from responsibility and strength.

FULFILLMENT IN LIFE:
Fulfillment in Life: When we empathize with others and take care of them responsibly, we desire their well-being, and want their dreams to come true. Happy and fulfilled people want to see others happy and fulfilled. Correspondingly, unhappy, unfulfilled people tend not to want others to be happier than they are. It is, therefore, a moral requirement to be a happy, fulfilled person.

FAIRNESS:
When we care for others, we want to treat them fairly, help them to treat others fairly, and ensure that others do treat them fairly.

FREEDOM:
Freedom: Freedom allows us to meet our needs, fulfill our potential, realize our dreams, and help others to do so as well.

OPPORTUNITY:
Caring for others means ensuring they have opportunities--to achieve fulfillment in life, to be treated fairly, and to be able to care for themselves and others.

PROSPERITY:
Without prosperity, there can be no opportunity.

COMMUNITY:
Healthy communities are based on cooperation, honesty, trust, and open communication.

CCOPERATION:
Responsibility to others requires cooperation and empathy. Cooperation is the basis for community, and requires open communication, honesty and trust.

TRUST:
Trust is needed for open communication and cooperation. We are trustworthy when we treat others fairly and responsibly.

HONESTY:
Honesty is the hallmark of open communication, and is necessary for trust and cooperation.

OPEN COMMUNICATION:
Open communication is at the heart of empathy and responsibility. To know how to care for others, we must communicate with them to understand their needs. Cooperation relies on two-way communication.
* Strength: A progressive government must be strong enough to carry out progressive goals.

* The promotion of Safety and Protection for life, health, the environment, and human dignity translate into support for the social safety net, health care, environmental protection laws, and protection offered by the police and military. Governmental laws and policies ensure protection from unscrupulous businesses, pollution, unsafe products in the home, and unsafe working conditions.

* Fulfillment in Life is expressed in many ways: by satisfying and profitable work, by lifelong education and learning, and by an appreciation for the arts, music, and culture. This translates into support for our schools and universities, the National Endowment for the Arts and Humanities, and our cultural institutions. Religious and spiritual fulfillment is supported by our many religious traditions, protected from undue influence by the government.

* Fairness and Freedom are upheld by our civil liberties, offering equal protection under the law and equal rights for all citizens. Universal education and health care and programs such as Head Start are all matters of fairness that also advance freedom of opportunity. A professional, nonpartisan civil service and judiciary support fairness and freedom by preventing corruption, patronage and favoritism in government.

* Opportunity is critical for fairness and freedom, and to achieve fulfillment in life. Our nation's public schools and universities provide opportunities for everyone. Government policies such as Affirmative Action offer opportunity to women and people of color who face unfair disadvantages in society. Government support of honest business practices, full accounting standards, and anti-trust laws provide the conditions for honest businesspeople to succeed.

* Prosperity is based on how well our communities are doing, and whether we all have access to good jobs, a good education, and the conditions needed to live healthy and productive lives. Equal opportunity is important to be able to achieve prosperity. And prosperity is necessary for opportunity. This translates into a progressive goal of government to promote widespread prosperity as a form of seeking the common good. The promotion of general prosperity need not be just a role for the government, but for corporations and businesspeople as well.

* Community: Healthy communities are needed for healthy individuals. Policies that support healthy communities include well-trained and equipped fire fighters and police officers, hospitals and community care clinics, and other institutions that care for people in the community. Access to Fair Lending Laws, adhering to environmental standards, and sustainable planning and zoning laws all contribute to sound communities. And, an active civil society is a precondition for a healthy community.

* Cooperation is a hallmark of healthy communities, where everyone in a community works together to meet shared goals. Open communication requires cooperation and trust. In foreign policy, cooperation is expressed in support for the United Nations, diplomacy, and respect for international agreements and treaties.

* Trust, Honesty and Open Communication are required of an open government that respects its citizens. Open communication is how policymakers learn about the needs of people in their communities. Democracy requires a government that is responsive to its citizens. Regular press conferences, public hearings, and open deliberations by policymakers allow the people to communicate with their elected officials, and foster trust. The Freedom of Information Act and oversight agencies such as the General Accounting Office ensure the openness, honesty and accountability of the government to the people.


Values established, here are some principles that naturally evolve:

* Equity
* Equality
* Democracy
* Effective government
* Ethical business
* Multi-lateral and Value-based Foreign Policy, etc

More specifically...

EQUITY: What citizens and the nation owe each other. If you work hard, play by the rules, and serve your family, community, and nation, then the nation should provide a decent standard of living, as well as freedom, security, and opportunity.

EQUALITY:
Do everything possible to guarantee political equality and avoid imbalances of political power. Everyone has a voice that is meaningful in our society. No one is held to a different set of rules. Everyone -- women, gays, ethnic minorities, etc -- are allowed all basic rights.

DEMOCRACY:
Maximize citizen participation; minimize concentrations of political, corporate, and media power. Maximize journalistic standards. Establish publicly financed elections. Invest in public education. Bring corporations under stakeholder control, not just stockholder control.

GOVERNMENT FOR A BETTER FUTURE:
Government does what America's future requires and what the private sector cannot do -- or is not doing -- effectively, ethically, or at all. It is the job of government promote and, if possible, provide sufficient protection, greater democracy, more freedom, a better environment, broader prosperity, better health, greater fulfillment in life, less violence, and the building and maintaining of public infrastructure.

ETHICAL BUSINESS:
Our values apply to business. In the course of making money by providing products and services, businesses should not adversely affect the public good, as defined by the above values.

VALUES-BASED FOREIGN POLICY:
The same values governing domestic policy should apply to foreign policy whenever possible. Here are a few examples where progressive domestic policy translates into foreign policy:

* Protection translates into an effective military for defense and peacekeeping.

* Building and maintaining a strong community translates into building and maintaining strong alliances and engaging in effective diplomacy.

* Caring and responsibility translate into caring about:
- and acting responsibly for the world's people;
- world health, hunger, poverty, and ecology;
- population control (and the best method, women's education);
- rights for women, children, prisoners, refugees, and ethnic minorities.

All of these would be concerns of a values-based foreign policy.

Perhaps delving too far into the specifics, I would add the following:

* Protection for the vulnerable -- children, seniors, disabled, the poor.

* Freedom -- freedom to speak any opinion that suits us (barring threats of physical harm and deceitful destruction of reputation). Freedom to marry who we choose. Freedom to a private bedroom. Freedom to choose what we do with our bodies.

* People first -- not business, not government, not guns, not taxes... people.
* Economy
* Security
* Health
* Education
* Early Childhood
* Environment
* Nature
* Energy
* Openness
* Equal Rights
* Protections

More specifically...

THE ECONOMY: An economy centered on innovation that creates millions of good-paying jobs and provides every American a fair opportunity to prosper.

SECURITY:
Through military strength, strong diplomatic alliances, and wise foreign and domestic policy, every American will be safeguarded at home, and America's role in the world will be strengthened by helping people around the world live better lives.

HEALTH:
Every American should have access to a state-of-the-art, affordable health care system.

EDUCATION:
A vibrant, well-funded, and expanding public education system, with the highest standards for every child and school, where teachers nurture children's minds and often the children themselves, and where children are taught the truth about their nation--its wonders and its blemishes.

EARLY CHILDHOOD:
Every child's brain is shaped crucially by early experiences. We support high-quality early childhood education.

ENVIRONMENT:
A clean, healthy, and safe environment for ourselves and our children: water you can drink and air you can breathe. Polluters pay for the damage they cause.

NATURE:
The natural wonders of our country are to be preserved for future generations.

ENERGY:
We need to make a major investment in renewable energy, for the sake of millions of good-paying jobs, independence from Middle Eastern oil, improvements in public health, preservation of our environment, and the effort to halt global warming.

OPENNESS:
An open, efficient, and fair government that tells the truth to our citizens and earns the trust of every American.

EQUAL RIGHTS:
We support equal rights in every area involving race, ethnicity, gender, and sexual orientation.

PROTECTIONS:
We support keeping and extending protections for consumers, workers, retirees, and investors.
rogressive -- Conservative

STRONGER AMERICA -- STRONG DEFENSE
BROAD PROSPERITY -- FREE MARKETS
BETTER FUTURE -- LOWER TAXES
EFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT -- SMALLER GOVERNMENT
MUTUAL RESPONSIBILITY -- FAMILY VALUES

A 'Stronger America' is not just about defense, but about every dimension of strength: our effectiveness in the world, our economy, our educational system, our health care system, our families, our communities, our environment, and so forth.

'Broad Prosperity' is the effect that markets are supposed to bring about. But all markets are constructed for someone's benefit; no markets are completely free. Markets should be constructed for the broadest possible prosperity, and they haven't been.

Americans want and deserve a 'Better Future' -- economically, educationally, environmentally, and in all other areas of life -- for themselves and their children. Lowering taxes, primarily for the super-rich elite, has had the effect of defunding programs that would make a better future possible in all these areas. The proper goal is a better future for all Americans.

Smaller government is, in conservative propaganda, supposed to eliminate waste. It is really about eliminating social programs. 'Effective Government' is what we need our government to accomplish to create a better future.

Conservative family values are those of a strict father family -- authoritarian, hierarchical, every man for himself, based around discipline and punishment. Progressives live by the best values of both families and communities: 'Mutual Responsibility' which is authoritative, equal, two-way, and based around caring, responsibility (both individual and social), and strength. The remarkable thing is just how much progressives do agree on. These are just the things that voters tend to care about most: our values, our principles, and the direction in which we want to take the nation.

I believe that progressive values are traditional American values -- that progressive principles are fundamental American principles, and that progressive policy directions point the way to where most Americans really want our country to go. The job of unifying progressives is really the job of bringing our country together around its finest traditional values.

Continuing on that theme, I would suggest that we go one step further and adopt a 12-word Philosophy.

Add 'AMERICAN VALUES' to offset the conservatives' claim to ‘Family Values'. Taking into account the archetypical acceptance of Nation as family, assuming the role of American Values (to which progressive values truly equate) as progressive values trumps the Conservatives' claim to 'family values' in the sense that America is our ultimate family. Showing the progressive nature of the founding fathers and the constitution upon which the nation was founded would be a natural endeavor.

Essentially, AMERICAN VALUES = PROGRESSIVE VALUES. As a bonus, the assumption of American Values as Progressive Values would put the conservatives on the defense when they refute progressive values. Are they unpatriotic?

Remember that right-wing ideologues have convinced half of the country that the 'strict father' family model, which is bad enough for raising children, should govern our national morality and politics. This is the model that the best in American values has defeated over and over again in the course of our history -- from the emancipation of the slaves to women's suffrage, Social Security and Medicare, civil rights and voting rights acts, and Brown v. the Board of Education and Roe v. Wade. Each time we have unified our country more behind our finest traditional values.
Progressives are constantly put in positions where they are expected to respond to conservative arguments. It may be over Thanksgiving dinner, around the water cooler, or in front of an audience. But because conservatives have commandeered so much of the language, progressives are often put on the defensive with little or nothing to say in response. Thus, when responding to conservatives, there are several rules you should follow to ensure maximum effect.

* Know the 10 (or 12) -word philosophy and understand each part. Have an idea of what progressive values, principles, and policy directives are.

* Stand Strong! Progressive values are the best of traditional American values. Stand up for your values with dignity and strength. You are a true patriot because of your values.

* Don't use their language. Stay away from their keywords and phrases: "Tax Relief", "Tort Reform", "Partial Birth Abortion", "Death Tax", "Marriage Penalty". Etc. Using it only empowers them and reinforces the ‘strict Father' world view.

* Don't answer their loaded questions, instead, make your response an affirmation of the progressive stance on the issue.

* Distinguish between ordinary conservatives and nasty ideologues. Most conservatives are personally nice people, and you want to bring out their niceness and their sense of neighborliness and hospitality. As for the ideologues, you will gain little from a debate with them, unless it is for the benefit of 3rd party observers.

* Be calm. Calmness is a sign that you know what you are talking about.

* Be good-humored. A good-natured sense of humor shows you are comfortable with yourself.

* Hold your ground. Always be on the offense. Never go on defense. Never whine or complain. Never act like a victim. Never plead. Avoid the language of weakness, for example, rising intonations on statements. Your voice should be steady. Your body and voice should show optimism. You should convey passionate conviction without losing control.

* Conservatives have parodied liberals as weak, angry (hence not in control of their emotions), weak-minded, softhearted, unpatriotic, uninformed, and elitist. Don't give them any opportunities to stereotype you in any of these ways. Expect these stereotypes, and deal with them when they come up. By the way you conduct yourself, show strength, calmness, and control; an ability to reason; a sense of realism; love of country; a command of the basic facts; and a sense of being an equal, not a superior.

* Don't expect to convert staunch conservatives.

* You can make considerable progress with those who use both models but in different parts of their life. They are your best audience. Your job is to capture territory of the mind. With these people, your goal is to find out, if you can by probing, about which parts of their life they are nurturant. For example, ask who they care about the most, what responsibilities they feel they have to those they care about, and how they carry out those responsibilities. This should activate their nurturant models as much as possible. Then, while the nurturant model is active for them, try linking it to politics. For example, if they are nurturant at home but strict in business, talk about the home and family and how they relate to political issues.

EXAMPLE: Real family values mean that your parents, as they age, don't have to sell their home or mortgage their future to pay for health care or the medications they need.

* Avoid the usual mistakes. Remember, don't just negate the other person's claims; reframe. The facts unframed will not set you free. You cannot win just be stating the true facts and showing that they contradict your opponent's claims. Frames trump facts. His frames will stay and the facts will bounce off. Always reframe.

* If you remember nothing else about framing, remember this: Once your frame is accepted into the discourse, everything you say is just common sense. Why? Because that's what common sense is: reasoning within a commonplace, accepted frame.

* Never answer a question framed from your opponent's point of view. Always reframe the question to fit your values and your frames. This may make you uncomfortable, since normal discourse styles require you to directly answer questions posed. That is the trap. Practice changing frames.

* Be sincere. Use frames you really believe in, based on values you really hold.

* A useful thing to do is to use rhetorical questions: Wouldn't it be better if...? Such a question should be chosen to presuppose your frame.

EXAMPLE: Wouldn't it be better if we had a president who went to war with a plan to secure the peace?

* Stay away from set-ups. Fox News shows and other rabidly conservative shows try to put you in an impossible situation, where a conservative host sets the frame and insists on it, where you don't control the floor, can't present your case, and are not accorded enough respect to be taken seriously. If the game is fixed, don't play.

* Tell a story. Find stories where your frame is built into the story. Build up a stock of effective stories.

* Always start with values, preferably values all Americans share like security, prosperity, opportunity, freedom, and so on. Pick the values most relevant to the frame you want to shift to. Try to win the argument at the values level. Pick a frame where your position exemplifies a value everyone holds--like fairness.

EXAMPLE: Suppose someone argues against a form of universal health care. If people don't have health care, he argues, it's their own fault. They're not working hard enough or not managing their money properly. We shouldn't have to pay for their lack of initiative or their financial mismanagement.

FRAME SHIFT: Most of the forty million people who can't afford health care work full-time at essential jobs that cannot pay enough to get them health care. Yet these working people support the lifestyles of the top three-quarters of our population. Some forty million people have to do those hard jobs--or you don't have your lifestyle. America promises a decent standard of living in return for hard work. These workers have earned their health care by doing essential jobs to support the economy. There is money in the economy to pay them. Tax credits are the easiest mechanism. Their health care would be covered by having the top two percent pay the same taxes they used to pay. It's only fair that the wealthy pay for their own lifestyles, and that people who provide those lifestyles get paid
fairly for it.

* Be prepared. You should be able to recognize the basic frames that conservatives use, and you should prepare frames to shift to.

EXAMPLE: Your opponent says, "We should get rid of taxes. People know how to spend their money better than the government."

REFRAME: "The government has made very wise investments with taxpayer money. Our interstate highway system, for example. You couldn't build a highway with your tax refund. The government built them. Or the Internet, paid for by taxpayer investment. You could not make your own Internet. Most of our scientific advances have been made through funding from the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health--great government investments of taxpayer money. No matter how wisely you spent your own money, you'd never get those scientific and medical breakthroughs. And how far would you get hiring your own army with your tax refund?"

* Use wedge issues, cases where your opponent will violate some belief he holds no matter what he says.

EXAMPLE: Suppose he brings up abortion. Raise the issue of military rape treatment. Women soldiers who are raped (by our own soldiers, in Iraq, or on military bases) and who subsequently get pregnant presently cannot end their pregnancies in a military hospital, because abortions are not permitted there. A Military Rape Treatment Act would allow our raped women soldiers to be treated in military hospitals to end their rape-induced pregnancies.

THE WEDGE: If he agrees, he sanctions abortion, in government-supported facilities no less, where doctors would have to be trained and facilities provided for terminating pregnancies. If he disagrees, he dishonors our women soldiers who are putting their lives on the line for him. To the women it is like being raped twice--once by a criminal soldier and once by a self-righteous conservative.

* Call your opponent on their underlying agenda. An opponent may be disingenuous if his real goal isn't what he says his goal is. Politely point out the real goal, then reframe.

EXAMPLE: Suppose he starts touting smaller government. Point out that conservatives don't really want smaller government. They don't want to eliminate the military, or the FBI, or the Treasury and Commerce Departments, or the nine-tenths of the courts that support corporate law. It is big government that they like. What they really want to do away with is social programs--programs that invest in people, to help people to help themselves. Such a position contradicts the values the country was founded on--the idea of a community where people pull together to help each other. From John Winthrop on, that is what our nation has stood for.

* Your opponent may use language that means the opposite of what he says, called Orwellian language. Realize that he is weak on this issue. Use language that accurately describes what he's talking about to frame the discussion your way.

EXAMPLE: Suppose he cites the "Healthy Forests Initiative" as a balanced approach to the environment. Point out that it should be called "No Tree Left Behind" because it permits and promotes clear-cutting, which is destructive to forests and other living things in the forest habitat. Use the name to point out that the public likes forests, doesn't want them clear-cut, and that the use of the phony name shows weakness on the issue. Most people want to preserve the grandeur of America, not destroy it.

* Remember once more that our goal is to unite our country behind our values, the best of traditional American values. Right-wing ideologues need to divide our country via a cultural civil war. It is our job to evoke and maintain the nurturant model.

Those are a lot of guidelines. But there are only four really important ones:

1. Show respect
2. Respond by reframing
3. Think and talk at the level of values
4. Say what you believe

As a final note, recognize the possible pitfalls and attacks on these frames (For Example, equality must be framed in terms of rights and broad-based prosperity must be framed in terms of opportunity, otherwise the two together are easily framed by the opposition as a quest for communism.

CONCLUSION:

The bottom line is that framing becomes simple, almost natural as you start to think of the issues in terms of reframing rather than rebutting. It will take time, but the results will cause a paradigm shift in our ability to communicate a compelling message to the electorate -- well worth the investment.
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:26 PM
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8. Nice link....thanks...
pressed a lot of my buttons and beliefs. Good work.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:26 PM
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9. r.k.j. DU rules state only a couple paragraphs unless you the author
Suggest shortening it, paraphrasing it, etc
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 07:57 AM
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24. An interesting philosophical pointlist
It is important for democrats to express clearly just what they believe in. This was a good start focusing on specific areas of interest, security, the environment, etc. and putting them into short clearly worded statements.

Yeah the party has a platform but it it lacks a coherent philosophy. I think that liberals need to come up with a way to explain themselves that all of the competing interest groups that make up the Democratic party can come together on.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:19 PM
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5. Until voting is transparent, nothing will matter.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:30 PM
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10. Thats it in a nut shell. I you can trust the count all else is a waste
of TIME.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:25 PM
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13. Yup...
Until vote counting is out of the hands of corporations like Diebold, we don't stand a chance.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:22 PM
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7. How about opposing the bankruptcy bill
The party has lost a lot of credibility on that. Dems sold out the citizens. The republicans could have passed that without Democratic support. The Dems gave up a good issue.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:00 PM
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32. The Dem leaders are selling out, good point
IF they really represented US and the Dem platform, things would be different.

Until the Dem leaders start fighting for our core values, expect things to get worse.

It's not just the Repukes who are causing the damage, it's the lack of fight from the Dems for our core values.
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chomskyite_naderite Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:22 PM
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11. focus on economic populism
as Thomas Frank points out, the reason the red state whites left the Democratic party is because the democratic party left them by catering to the rich and the upper income earners and the corporations. How about a platform that starts off with a dedication to progressive taxation and universal healthcare and restricting foreign imports from 3rd world countries? How about an anticorporate platform?

Sell the universal healthcare as a competitive issue. Healthcare benefits cost too much here.

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:24 PM
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12. And close the borders
No more illegals propping up the corporations at the expense of American workers
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:34 PM
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14. we need an open media
even when there is a democrat on tv which is few and far between, whatever they say they are being attack or sneered at from the media leaving a bad taste in peoples mouth regardless of how good the dems plan is. as opposed to the republican putting out agenda it is met with warm fuzzy questions and praise
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:53 PM
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16. Two things:
1) Welcome to DU.
:toast:

2) We've already got a platform, but most incumbent Democrats are so busy acting like Republicans that it's hard to tell the difference between them anymore.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:58 AM
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17. Platform is a good start, but
we need to create our own "mighty Wurlitzer" to out do the right wing and the corporate media. Their echo machine is dominating media still.

Or put another way as our fearless leader puts it:

"But if we don't get our systems and our message in better shape, it won't matter who the candidate is."
Howard Dean
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:09 AM
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18. The Massachusetts Dem Party Platform
Can't get much bluer, so I offer it as a model. We are currently having a series of platform meetings to gather testemony for adoption at the May platform convention in Lowell.

Mass DU'ers - there is still time to become an add-on delegate IF YOU QUALIFY (handicap, minority & <35). PM me if interested.

Mass DU'ers - we need convention volunteers. Again, PM me if interested.

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http://www.massdems.org/about/platform.htm
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:12 AM
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19. I don't understand the question - we have a patform!!!!
http://www.democrats.org/platform/index.html

"The 2004 Democratic Party Platform: Stronger at Home, Respected in the World"

The Democratic Party has a long and proud history of representing and protecting the interests of working Americans and guaranteeing personal liberties for all. One of the places we articulate our beliefs is in the Party's National Platform, adopted every four years by the Delegates at the National Convention.

Click here to read Strong At Home, Respected in the World -- The Democratic Platform for America. - http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v002/www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

(You'll need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader.)

The Report is presented for adoption by the 2004 Democratic National Convention, as approved by the Platform Committee at its meeting July 10, 2004.


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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:17 AM
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27. Yes, we have one...
...But, have we really articulated it well? Right wing propaganda resonates with the American public, so much that people vote a against their own self interest.

I think "the party" is working on this, but we must all educate ourselves on rhetoric that works. It's not right (correct); it is reality. (I'm not suggesting that you, personally, haven't done this.)
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:59 PM
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42. Yeah, some platform
As long as support for the AWB remains in there, we'll continue to lose strength in the South and Midwest. Scrap it now.

I'm already working on introducing resolutions at the Texas precinct level to renounce the AWB initiative so that it doesn't bite us in the ass again for 2006.

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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:41 AM
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21. The Democratic Party needs democrats.
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 04:43 AM by Senior citizen
People who are willing to sacrifice democracy to get elected are DINOs. People who aren't willing to sacrifice democracy, can't get elected because the big corporations that run this country won't give them campaign contributions, and Diebold won't let them win. Now that we have a dictatorship with no checks and balances, the pretense of an opposition party has become pretty thin. If we want to represent the people, we can't choose representatives from the ruling elite the way the pukes do. The ruling elite represent themselves, not us. As much as I like Robert Kennedy, Jr., I don't like inherited titles or dynasties. I was raised to believe they're undemocratic.



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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 07:11 AM
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22. amen!
Maybe it's an "old" person thing, but I agree with Senior Citizen. I might add get rid of the lobbyists and the "revolving door" between that community and the legislature. See everybody in the streets the 19th? It is a perfect opportunity to express our outrage.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 07:57 AM
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23. Two questions:
{1} What does Sidney Center need? {2} Where the heck did Mark Sullivan disappear to?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:24 AM
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26. They need to vote for to: 1) save the planet; 2) save the middle class;
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 10:25 AM by Stephanie


3) stop this wanton violence the Bush administration is perpetrating in the ME.
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:15 PM
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28. Even if our votes counted, Congress is a joke.

Congresscritters spend more time fundraising than legislating. The rules for Congressional oversight on national security are such that Congresscritters who have access to classified material are not permitted to share that information with their colleagues, no less their constituents. Even if we had a Democratic majority, people who have to vote on legislation without having time to read it first, aren't likely to make good decisions. One of my California Senators, Barbara Boxer, is willing to make token gestures which will assure reelection if they accomplish nothing else--the other, Diane Feinstein, is married to a guy who is part of the military-industrial complex, and therefore cannot oppose the war. Both are Democrats.

Because of Diebold and voter suppression, it is unlikely that we'll ever again have a Democratic majority. Without a Democratic majority, legislation that might help save the planet, help the middle class, or stop the war, is unlikely to ever get out of committee, and has no chance of passing if it did. So candidates who run on such promises will have no power whatsoever to fulfil them.

If I didn't know better, I'd think that the Democrats, having given us NAFTA, welfare "reform," the prison-industrial complex, wars, and a lot of other bad stuff, had chosen Bushler and his hideous agenda as the only possible way to retain liberal and progressive votes. I'm sick and tired of voting the lesser of two evils. In fact, I'm now convinced that voting is a total waste of time, both for citizens and for Congresscritters. The sooner the facade of democracy is exposed for the total sham it is, the sooner we might start to build a true democracy. As long as corporations run this country, what we have is fascism. The fact that a fascist country can hold elections does not make it any less fascist.



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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:30 PM
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29. Welcome to DU
Thanks for that link. That is a site I had not yet found.

I do think that framing and communication in general are 2 things that we need to work on. At this point, we have to communicate one on one because we do not have access to mass media that will reach millions. Yes, we do have a couple of radio outlets and a few magazines but they do not add up to media that will impact enough people. This is one of the underlying problems that we will have to work around somehow. We could have the greatest platform and communicators around but it makes no difference if most people never hear the message. For that matter it will make little difference if the message is overpowered by the RW echo machine.

We also desperately need to work on organization and involvement at the local level, the neighborhood level. We have to go back to the precincts and convince people to organize at that level and get the framed message out at that level. The corporate wing of the Dem party has abandoned that in favor of using the brute force of corporate fund raising and media. Unfortunately, since the corporate media is no longer objective or even friendly to us, this strategy doesn't work very well.

But at an even more basic level, we have the problem of voting. Too many Americans still believe that * actually won the last election. We have to somehow, get past the idea that no one could possibly be evil enough to cheat the people of such a basic right and that it is impossible. We have to figure out how to frame this issue so that people will be telling their local reps...no computerized voting machines and no computers counting votes. Until we get back to a point where the vote can not be hacked, I don't think the rest matters as much.

When I look at it in black & white it all seems so daunting.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:53 PM
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30. Platforms are boring; we need vision
We must announce a new long-term vision for our country and work
tirelessly toward achieving our ideals. We must leverage all our
strengths and abilities by pouring money into policy think tanks,
public relations and grassroots activism. Here are the "big
substantive ideas" I think we should espouse with renewed vigor:

1. Health Care Cost Control
2. Universal Health Insurance
3. Universal College Education
4. Tax Fairness
5. Apollo Project for Energy Independence


HEALTH CARE COST CONTROL

Rising health care costs pose the greatest threat to our economic
security. If we don't act soon to overhaul our nation's once great
health care delivery system, it will cause irreparable harm to both
the public and private sectors.

The Social Security and Medicare Board of Trustees report Medicare
costs are projected to exceed those for Social Security in 2024.
Social Security is NOT in crisis, but rising health care costs will
eat up our entire social security checks if something isn't done NOW.

The competitiveness of businesses both small and large in the United
States is greatly harmed by our system of employment-based health
insurance. Double digit rising costs constrain the entrepreneurial
spirit and vitality we need to create jobs and opportunity.

Its time to de-couple health insurance and employment once and for all.

UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE

We have the luxury of being able to learn the lessons from
the decades of experience of other industrial nations' national health
care systems and devise one best suited for the unique circumstances of
America. We know a single-payer system like Canada's will immediately
lower insurance costs 15-25% and streamline the billing processes of
millions of health care providers so they can put more effort into
healing than they do into bookkeeping. Unlike Canada we can allow
supplemental insurance plans to augment (and help finance) the public
health insurance system.

If other nations can provide cradle-to-grave health coverage for
ALL its citizens, the world's richest and most powerful
country certainly can, too.

UNIVERSAL COLLEGE EDUCATION

Why stop providing free public education at the 12th grade? Many other
nations provide a robust public higher education system at virtually no
cost to qualified students. We can do the same and take it one step
further by providing vocational/technical retraining for adults as well
so our workforce can be more flexible and quickly adapt to changing
economic conditions. An education system that leaves behind so many
bright, qualified young people only because they lack the financial
resources is immoral and weakens our nation.

TAX FAIRNESS

Our complex, cumbersome, corrupt tax code allows billions
to slip away in obscure loopholes while the average citizen pays more
than his/her fair share. Tax breaks over the past 30 years have gone
disproportionately to the rich and big corporations, who need the extra
cash far less than the average working American. Current tax laws give
incentives to stashing money and moving jobs overseas. A fair tax plan
will stimulate wages and investment here at home so corporations can
focus on building better products instead of fishing for loopholes.


APOLLO PROJECT FOR ENERGY INDEPENDENCE

JFK promised the impossible dream of putting a man on the moon within
the decade. He mobilized the creative spirit of America and
infused it with research money for math and science education.
We walked on the moon and all sectors of society benefitted from
the side effects of all the discoveries that made it possible.

Now we're facing a century where cheap oil will disappear and
wars over oil will become commonplace. We must identify the
obstacles to energy independence and put our best minds to work on
the problem. The choice is between squandering our nation's
blood and treasure on the selfish control of worldwide oil reserves
or being in the vanguard of a new energy paradigm that can bring
countless benefits to all the people on the planet. This shift
will allow a great fundamental change in our foreign policy-- one
that leads to prosperity and peace as opposed to our current
misfortune of war, poverty, and instability.


In all these plans outlined above, one thing binds them all
together: the Democratic Party's moral vision for America and
the world. America must fulfill its destiny of becoming the
world's beacon for liberty, equality, and justice. That means both
domestically and through our foreign policy. By accomplishing
these goals we will come one step closer in bringing those dreams
into reality.


The Democratic party vision promotes a morality that is based
on humanism and the social gospel of Jesus. Liberty allows the
free expression of religion on the personal level, but requires
tolerance on the public level. Society can promote morality
and justice by ensuring that all of its citizens are fed,
clothed, sheltered, healed and given the opportunity to develop
the gifts given to him/her by the Creator. This is the only way
the limitless potential of humankind can be unleashed.

:kick:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:56 PM
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31. The Democratic Party Platform for 2004...
...was 43 pages of platitudes, buzz phrases, and fall backs cleverly crafted so that no Democrat would have to actually take a stand on anything. Standing for Freedom and a Stronger America is NOT a platform, its a meaningless sales pitch.


THIS is what a REAL platform looks like:

The history of American economic progress is largely the story of laborers who banded together into unions, in order to bargain collectively for the dignity, respect, wages, and benefits they deserve. I understand the lessons that this history provides. And that is why standing up for workers and unions will be one of my highest priorities as president.

President Bush’s record on labor is abysmal. He has taken every opportunity to weaken unions and set back the cause of workers’ rights. As President, I’ll take the important and long-overdue steps to assist American workers achieve better wages and benefits, access to health care, and a greater say in their working conditions. Here’s what I’ll do:

§ Raise the minimum wage. The real value of the minimum wage has declined 25 percent since 1979. A living wage for all workers was the right idea back then, and it’s the right idea now. I support raising the minimum wage – and ensuring that it keeps pace with the cost of living in the future.

§ Empower workers to organize. As president I’ll push for a “card check” law, requiring employers to recognize unions once a majority of workers have indicated their intent to unionize.

§ End union-busting. Harassment, intimidation, and firing of would-be organizers is, unfortunately, not yet a relic of the 1930s. It happens today. My administration will be vigilant in identifying and prosecuting such illegal activity.

§ Retain Federal wage provisions for workers. The government should set a good example for all employers by paying fair wages and benefits. The Davis-Bacon Act requires that federal contractors pay their workers local prevailing wages. The historic Fair Labor Standards Act solidified legal protection for overtime pay. As President, I’ll protect these vital safeguards from those who want to dismantle them.

§ Protect workers on the job. The Bush Administration has instructed the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) to ease penalties on employers who expose their workers to hazards on the job. Bush has also attempted to cut funding for OSHA, which employs fewer inspectors now than it did in 1980. These reckless policies put all workers at risk. I support stiff penalties for employers who violate the law, and increased funding for OSHA and its companion research agency. And I’ll replace the Bush Administration’s weak, voluntary ergonomics standards with real, enforceable rules that protect the health of American workers.

§ Promote free and fair trade. Trade has the potential to raise living standards both here and abroad, but we must ensure that the terms of trade are fair, and that we are competing on an equal playing field. Labor rights are human rights, and I’ll treat them that way -- internationally-recognized core labor standards must be central elements of all new trade agreements. We must also improve our enforcement of labor provisions in existing agreements. Finally, we must be vigilant in our approach to unfair practices outside of the treaty context. For example, Bush has failed to prevent China from manipulating its currency, hurting American workers. As President, I’ll do better.

§ Increase access to health care. My health care plan provides every single American with affordable access to health care. The plan reduces premiums for many who already have insurance through a system of tax credits. For workers without employee-sponsored health care, I also propose a new, low-cost insurance option: access to the same federal health care plan provided to members of Congress.


The above was lifted from the Wes Clark 04 Platform. I was (and am) a DKucinich supporter and prefer my Platform with Universal HealthCare, but I was very impressed with Clark's platform. It was concise, specific, and easily understood with little wiggle room! The Democratic Party would be wise to study Clark's platform.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:29 PM
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33. RobertKennedyjr... Wherefore art though, RobertKennedyjr?
Drop bombs much? :eyes:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:40 PM
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36. Did Robertkennedyjr go away?
Oh dear, and he seemed such a fine addition to DU, asking interesting questions and having fun discussions.
:shrug:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:58 PM
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41. Hit and run
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:36 PM
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44. Not if it is Robert.
He has a full load, including his wife and children. If it is indeed Robert, he will be back in the later evening hours, and will answer my two questions.
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queeg Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:46 PM
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37. Less Government is better Government
make the Rethugs out to be the Big Goverment lovers
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:36 PM
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45. The Dem platform is GREAT. The GOP controlled media won't let the citizens
hear all the issues discussed openly on public airwaves.

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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 06:44 PM
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47. Hope.
We need to be the party of hope, which I believe we once were.

Fifty percent of Alabama's children now live in poverty, yet that state overwhelmingly voted for Bush. They've lost all hope, so they've become the sheeple that the Republican party wants them to be. If you don't feel hopeful, then you will feel hateful and you vote accordingly. "I don't have a job, but I sure as heck don't want those gays to get married in this state!"

I live in Westmoreland County, PA, near Pittsburgh. I live within 20 miles of EIGHT Wal-Mart stores. Obviously, their demographic studies have shown that people here don't have high incomes or decent jobs. Consequently, property values are low so Wal-Mart buys all the property and voila, another store opens up.

You would think that in such a depressed area that people would have voted for Kerry. The county has a registered Democrat to Republican ratio of about 2 to 1. The county voted overwhelmingly for Bush, by a margin of 55% to 45%. Did I mention that Richard Mellon Scaife owns all of the newspapers in this county? There is a man spouting hatred if I ever saw it, and he taught the voters here how to use it.
An actual quote I heard the day after Election Day: "That John Kerry, he had reporters posted on the riverbanks in Viet Nam just waiting to take his picture on that Swiftboat so he could make himself LOOK like a hero!"

Another quote I heard: "Let's just bomb those Iraqi's out of existence." Nice. Once again, when you feel helpless and hopeless you turn to hatred to get you through.

The Democratic party needs to be the party of HOPE to Americans again. I'm still working very hard for the party locally and am very committed to that cause. I want to see our party leaders committed to working for the people.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 07:03 PM
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48. The democratic Party has a platform
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