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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:48 AM
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Exiting Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/031405Z.shtml

Exiting Iraq
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 14 March 2005

I pray you, speak not; he grows worse and worse;
Question enrages him: at once, good-night.
Stand not upon the order of your going,
But go at once.

- Lady Macbeth, Act III, Scene IV


Cindy Sheehan had a son. His name was Casey, and he served in the 1st Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division. Casey Sheehan's unit came under fire in Baghdad on April 4th, 2004, from small arms and rocket-propelled grenades, and he was killed. He was 24 years old.

Cindy Sheehan co-founded the group Gold Star Families for Peace. She has heard much from the Bush administration about completing the mission in Iraq in order to honor those who have died there. "My family and my group are offended," she writes, "by hearing this administration say that our troops have to remain in Iraq and complete 'the mission' to honor our loved ones' sacrifices. First of all, no one can explain the mission to us and we don't want any more innocent blood spilled just because it is too late for our soldiers and our families."

Cindy Sheehan is not alone. A woman on the t r u t h o u t FYI blog writes, "My husband and I lost our son to a roadside bomb In Iraq. He was the gunner on an unarmored humvee in a 14 vehicle convoy out picking up supplies. Our family will simply never recover. Our lives forever changed. I wouldn't wish this pain on my worst enemy. But to think that his life was wasted for a lie is just not acceptable. Something good must come from all of this. I will never stop working to help bring home the National Guard, seeing that they get the help they need when they get home, and helping people realize the true cost of this immoral war."

"My nephew," writes another woman, "signed up as soon as he could after 9/11 because he (with 17 yr. old bravado) thought he could find those bad guys. He was sent to Afghanistan where the hunt for Osama was on. Then suddenly he was shipped into Baghdad where he was KIA on night patrol, hit by an IED while driving an unarmored Humvee. Iraq did not attack us. Saddam was not a threat. He was not connected to Bin Laden. But boy, Iraq sure is connected to terrorism now -- and who can really be surprised? Look what we've done and continue to do to their land and citizens. There was no good reason or way to start this war and there is no good way to get out of it, but we have to!"

"I am a disabled Vietnam War combat vet," writes a man on the blog, "and, as such, I would like to add my perspective to this debate. If we pulled out immediately there will be consequences for the Iraqi people but we have to trust that they will work it out. I was in the Vietnam War in 1967 & 1968 and I prayed every day that I was there that the people back home would demand an immediate pull out as that was the only way the Vietnamese would be able to shape their own destiny. We as a country have been actively trying to shape the World to fit our needs ever since the end of WW II (and probably before that) and the consequences of these meddlings have been so much death, destruction, and lifelong wounds to those who participated in these endeavors either as tools or as victims. Pull out now. We have helped (as only we can) the Iraqis enough."

Specialist E-4 Patrick Resta served as an Army medic in Iraq before returning home. He spoke last week at Brown University about what is happening in that country, and where the troops stand on 'completing the mission.' "One of the most important things veterans can do, like myself," he said, "is come out here and present a true picture of Iraq, because the American media isn't letting people have that true picture." Resta describes soldiers spending their own money to buy armor, traveling through hostile territory in unprotected vehicles, using sandbags to augment their meager protection. He further described an overwhelming belief among the rank-and-file troops that the time has come to get out. "There was a running joke that 'Iraq' stood for 'I really am quitting,' " he said.

There are 1,516 families who endure the pain described by Cindy Sheehan and the others. Tens of thousands of other families have endured and will continue to endure the trauma of a loved one who has been maimed in Iraq. For the living soldiers still in Iraq and those who have returned, there is the probability of mental and emotional damage from what they saw and did, the impact of which is impossible to quantify and which will be with them and us for years to come. 198,000 Iraqi families have been forced to absorb the death of a loved one, and there is no accounting for the untold thousands of families who have had a member maimed, battered, tortured or radicalized past all recall.

It is enough.

...more...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:02 AM
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:04 AM
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2. Where does it say Carly disagrees with her mother about the war?
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 10:06 AM by Cooley Hurd
:shrug:

And why did YOU edit the quote from her?

“That’s all he wanted to do was serve God and his country his whole life,” Carly Sheehan said. “He was a boy scout from age 6 or 7 and an Eagle Scout. It was kind of a natural progression to go into the military from that. He said he was enjoying the military because it was just like the boy scouts but they got guns.

Hmmm...

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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:18 AM
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4. "humble ignorant member of the masses that has not been properly
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 10:20 AM by Kathy in Cambridge
re-educated"

Is this some kind of DU/Commie Jab?

:eyes:

Ihre Anmerkungen sind sehr langweilig.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:55 AM
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9. You Got The Ignorant Part Right
So while you're not exactly batting a thousand, you're at least on the board.

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:51 AM
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23. Buh-BYE !
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I wasn't surprised

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:04 PM
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39. You are amazing
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:10 AM
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3. ENOUGH!
well said :toast:

"We have helped (as only we can) the Iraqis enough."

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS - OUTSOURCE THE WAR - BRING OUR TROOPS HOME, NOW!

peace
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:36 AM
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5. Is "it enough". . . .?
or wayyyy too much already?

If only we all could be more delusional and less "reality based" like our fearless leader and his hordes of sycophants in the administration and the media.

I cannot stop thinking of the wounded, both physically and emotionally and being mindful of the fact that both Timothy McVeigh and John Allen Mohammed were both disgruntled vets of Desert Storm and that conflict only lasted a couple of months.

The long term repercussions of this mess I can't even begin to fathom.

Great article Will.

thanks
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:43 AM
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6. A 17 year old driving an unarmoured Humvee. Thank God that mother
didn't have an abortion.

Pardon by anger.

The hypocrisy of 'our mission' combined with all the other hypocrisies is just too much. Are HALF the people in this country out of their minds that they can't see the hypocrisy of it all.

America - the world's finest killing machine for a few corporate-military-banking-fundamentalist-politican honchos.

When will people get it?

It was only 30+ years ago that we went through this.

Once a killer, always a killer?

I may not be able to read about these mothers and what they have to say because of the pathos of the destruction we're reaping. My body and soul aches for sanity.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:45 AM
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7. I think the American media has to take a lot of the blame for the war
being accepted by the public...The media is NOW pushing a new line of propoganda to the American people....First they bombarded the public with George Bush's lies of why it was necessary to go to war with Iraq and now they are trying to persuade the public that the leaders and people in the rest of the world have "seen the light" and now realize Georgie was right all along...This is really frightening to me....The power of the media is scary when it is used in this dishonest, fraudulent way.....The fact that Iraq "held a democratic election" does not wipe out the illegality of the war or the fact that over 1500 young Americans and 100,000 Iraqis are dead!....Icidentally, the dead Iraqi body count is almost NEVER mentioned in the American media.....`````
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:48 AM
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8. The correct answer is not that other MacBeth quote
"I am in blood / Stepp'd in so far, that, should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er." (III.iv.134)
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:02 AM
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10. What happened to the oil argument, Will?
If I recall correctly, you also utilized the "but we need all that Middle Eastern oil and can't risk destablizing things further" argument in your last piece that resulted in all of the posts you cited in this piece. I notice that argument is strangely absent this time around. I wonder why....

I only bring that up because the more I thought about it, I was sickened -- yes, literally sickened -- to see someone who I have had the opportunity to meet on several occasions and believed to be someone who believed in the ideal of justice advancing such a selfish argument. Quite frankly, I was sickened because I expected better. Also, if given the choice between a harder life due to less availability of cheap oil and continued access to it through the support of blatant injustice, I'll choose the former.

And you're fucking right that this is not some "intellectual exercise". This is still an immoral invasion and occupation, the price of which is being paid in blood and broken lives by those who had nothing to do with the decision to go in. While I'm glad to see that you've finally seen the light on this, your previous stance only served to cheapen your voice. Furthermore, expecting anything OTHER than corruption to come about through our occupation is a laughable endeavor. The only way that the occupation will end is an unnegotiable demand to BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:04 AM
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12. 'k.
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 11:07 AM by WilliamPitt
Two possibilities.

1. I am a secret neocon.

2. I took the devil's advocate position to draw out a necessary aspect of the debate.

Hm.

If some of us had subtelty to match our passion, we would be truly formidable.

Read:

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/3/14/8578/94809
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:09 AM
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13. To those who see that point as "necessary"...
... I have a simple question for them.

Would they willingly give their life, or more importantly, the life of their child, to guarantee access to that cheap oil?

Perhaps my "subtelty" is not as prevalent as yours because this issue is just a bit more personal for me, and therefore allows less latitude for "wargaming" on it than it does you....
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:24 AM
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16. Response:
You know what? This always has been, and continues to be a very personal issue for me, and therefore I am often hard-pressed to separate my emotion and passion from my reason. Did I lay into you more than I should have? Yeah, I'd say I did. Did your snide tone in response help lighten the situation? Hardly.

My ire was directed toward you because I thought I saw someone who I believed to be on the same side as me slipping away toward a very slippery slope.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:37 AM
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19. I never said it did offer an excuse, Will...
In fact, in my response, I readily admitted that I came after you in a rather poor fashion. Explaining my passion on this issue as a source of my bad behavior is not seeking to excuse my bad behavior.

I'm glad to see that you went back to my first post to re-iterate my misstep, for which I had already admitted culpability, in order to place me over you on the snide-o-meter.

One of these days, we are all going to get out of the habit of blowing the balls off our allies. Saying you take an issue personally does not excuse being a jerk, IC.

Yeah, OK. Since I've been shown to be the solely responsible party for this breakdown, I'll apologize for my actions.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:40 AM
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20. You're not solely responsible
I shouldn't have been snide, and I apologize as well.

But damn, man. Check your fire next time.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:42 AM
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21. But if I did that...
I wouldn't be "irate" anymore! :P
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:43 AM
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22. I guess
*picking irate shrapnel out of ass*

:)
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:58 PM
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30. Hey man...
I'm in the process of patting down your flames that are still smoldering on my sleeves as we speak! :D
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:12 PM
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33. Can I See A Big Smooch From Both You Guys
Before I have to kick BOTH your asses!

Yeesh! Next time shots are on me!
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:17 PM
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36. Hey Russ...
GO CHENEY YOURSELF!

Is that enough of a "smooch" for ya?

And no shots next time. Shots do bad, bad things to me. My wife still hasn't let me live down passing out on the train ride home and missing my stop....
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:27 PM
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37. Ouch!
;-)
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:01 PM
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25. "get out of the habit of blowing the balls off our allies"
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.
.

"One of these days, we are all going to get out of the habit of blowing the balls off our allies."


ummm . . :freak:


PM me whenever the US does that OK?


I'll check in every 4 years or so


:silly:

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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:04 AM
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11. Wonderful
:hug:

Now let's go raise some hell.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:24 AM
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15. Glad to hear the word "enough"...it was MIA last week.
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 11:57 AM by HereSince1628
We can't afford to focus exclusively on the potential of Iraq to fall into worse circumstance. We must realize that a downside scenario to leaving can always be generated, and so must balance it against other costs including the accumulated cost to date.

We will at some point need to say, enough.

"Enough" depends on keeping track of current and past costs (cost in the broad sense to include lives, suffering, economics, opportunities).

The decision makers will never get to saying and believing "enough" without considering the cost accrued. Activists can help to keep the cost from being hidden.



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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:26 AM
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17. THIS TUESDAY CONGRESS VOTES ON ANOTHER $82B Blank check for IRAQ w/o...
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:52 AM
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24. the US has no intention of leaving Iraq . . . not now, not ever . . .
permanent military bases are being established established there as outposts of the "democratisation" of the Middle East, starting with Syria and Iran and then sweeping the entire Arab and Islamic world . . . at least, that's how BushCo sees it . . . the reason we have no exit strategy in Iraq is because there's no need for one . . .

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:22 PM
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26. We're going to have a string of military bases from the Mediterranean
to the Himalayas with airports and pipelines along the line.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:46 PM
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27. We do have to ramp up the activism
I'll be protesting on the 19th and I've already started making noise among my peers and co-workers about the protests, hoping for someone else to step out and make themselves heard. There is a lot of apathy out here regarding the deployment of our military in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, folks seem to be listening more, less cheerleading. Now we have to turn that dismay in the actions of Bush into activism.

It starts right in our neighborhoods and in our workplaces. Your article sets a reasonable course. Let's get busy.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:12 PM
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34. "Out, damned spot, out". Out now.
"No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

~James Madison
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:15 PM
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35. Thank you.
Did me good to read this, Will Pitt.

You know, I'm a little older than you, and I remember when Abe Lincoln spoke to our school. Someone asked him a question about all the people that were critical of his work. And I can't remember Abe's exact quote, Will, but it was something along the lines that if he took the time to answer every critic, he wouldn't have time to do his work. Think about that, and consider not wasting your time answering people that question your ethics. We do not enjoy the luxury of time to waste with that crap.

Keep up your good work!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:13 PM
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40. .
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:20 PM
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41. Cindy Sheehan is on this weeks cover of "the Nation"
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 01:20 PM by jonnyblitz
<snip>
Meanwhile, college students are protesting the presence of recruiters on their campuses, and parents of young people are beginning to speak out against the military's hunt for high schoolers. Cindy Sheehan, a California resident whose 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed two weeks after he arrived in Iraq in April 2004, says she gets furious when recruiters call the house asking to speak to her three younger kids. "They get the list from the schools," she says, referring to a little-known clause of the No Child Left Behind Act that requires public schools to provide recruiters with students' names, addresses and home phone numbers--or lose federal funds. "I tell the recruiters that sacrificing my oldest son for a lie is already way too much and they're not getting any of my other kids!"

Sheehan is a perfect example of the kind of folks peace activists insist are part of a silent majority: She opposed the war but was disinclined to speak out. "I was stunned and dismayed when the United States invaded Iraq," Sheehan says. "I didn't agree with it. I didn't think it was right, but I never protested until after Casey was killed." She pauses and steels herself for what feels like the hundredth brutal mea culpa: "And I am very sorry I didn't." Taking to heart the old union slogan "Don't mourn, organize," Sheehan is clearly deeply immersed in both. Along with dozens of other families who lost soldiers in the war, she formed a new organization, Gold Star Families for Peace, and has made it her penance to share the details of her own experience. "Now I am doing anything I can to shorten this war and save other families the pain we're going through," she says.

<snip>

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050328&c=1&s=houppert
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