Proof the Right Loves Torture (Brace yourself)

[RedSox02]

Resorting to the lame "Guilt by association" logic that Ann Coulter loves to use so much, I present two absolutely disgusting individuals who prove that torture is very much indeed a cherished thing in at least some corners of the Right.

First up is Professor Eugene Volokh who is just itchin to participate in one of those gang executions they hold over in that Beacon of Freedom Iran. You know, a member of Bush's Axis of Evil? Well apparently they do one thing right, they allow a family to beat and stab a man before subjecting him to a slow hanging in which his neck is not broken.

Says Volokh: "I should mention that such a punishment would probably violate the Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause. I'm not an expert on the history of the clause, but my point is that the punishment is proper because it's cruel (i.e., because it involves the deliberate infliction of pain as part of the punishment), so it may well be unconstitutional. I would therefore endorse amending the Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause to expressly exclude punishment for some sorts of mass murders."

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_03_13-2005_03_19.shtml#1111021309

So we have a righty on record saying we should amend the Constitution so we can torture people. Can you picture yourself torturing someone like this and enjoying it?

Secondly we have a man who celebrates the two year anniversary of Rachel Corries death my nicknaming her "St. Pancake". It only gets worse.
http://www.adamyoshida.com/2005/03/two-years-in-hell-happy-deathday.html


Credit Alicublog and Atrios for leading me down these dark paths.
http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2005_03_13_alicublog_archive.html#111107499045678930

[Zuni]

1. the fact that Freerepublic is now rallying against SCOTUS

because they barred execution of people who committed capital crimes as minors shows how much they love blood.

I have seen all kinds of stuff in my archival reasearch at FR. torturing people they do not like is rather common there.

[grumpy old fart]

5. Of course the still have Scalia....if it was OK in 1790, it's OK today....

What was ‘cruel and unusual’ and unconstitutional in 1791 remains that today. Executing someone under 18 was not unconstitutional in 1791, so it is not unconstitutional today.

http://txfx.net/2005/03/15/scalia-on-judicial-legislation/

[Zuni]

6. Scalia does not seem to understand what

the 'unusual' part of cruel and unusual means---if most countries do not do it, and the majority of states do not allow it, it is unusual.

Don't get me started on the cruel part

[Desertrose]

2. Totally disgusting...

especially the Rachel Corrie link. Who the hell is that jerk?
:grr:

Our country is FUBAR...totally.

[Zuni]

8. Adam Yoshida is canadian, actually

but he is a canadian freeper

[RedSox02]

9. Disgusting and hypocritical

The Rachel Corrie guy is beyond words. As far as anyone who tries to condone what Iran did with that sadistic and hellish execution, hasn't one of the Right's arguments for "freeing" the people of the Middle East (mainly Iraq) is that they no longer would be subject to "torture chambers and rape rooms"? Volokh condones his views by saying essentially "well certain people deserve to be painfully mutilated". So what of the people Saddam tortured who were possibly guilty of heinous crimes? Did that make it OK? I mean the Taliban saved it's gruesome executions for the worst offenders usually, and everyone spoke out against that. Now we know that many on the right probably were not being genuine in their concern for Human Rights. (not really a surprise)

Volokh is trying to pretend a serious discussion can be held on this matter. To try and engage Volokh and this other wackjob in reasonable debate on these subjects is like trying to "reasonably debate" with a believer in Eugenics, or someone who supports the holocaust. Something is inspiring their position, and it isn't logic.

[RebelOne]

3. But the Iranian he is referring to killed and sexually

molested scores of children. In my opinion, that monster deserved to die that way. If one of them was my child, I would want to participate in beating the hell out of that guy.

[Rann]

4. Rebel

agree with you on the child rapist and what he got.

[AllegroRondo]

7. I'm just not willing to give up part of the Constitution to do so

the ban on cruel and unusual punishment must stay. giving an inch, even for a case like this, is not worth it.

[Zuni]

10. I do not believe in the death penalty

Gary ridgeway, the Green River Killer, murdered at least 48 girls. He is in jail for 48 life sentences.
As long as he dies in jail and never sees freedom again, I am happy. He will suffer more rotting in that jail cell.

[ktowntennesseedem]

12. Same here.

I do believe there are people whose crimes are so henious that they deserve to die, but in those cases I think a quick, simple death is too good for them. I think that life in prison (with no freedom and no privileges outside of room & board) is far worse and more fitting punishment. Let them spend the rest of their lives remembering why they are there, they'll be dead soon enough.

And I don't buy the crap about how much it costs to house and feed them all those years. It's a drop in the bucket compared to the legal costs of all those mandatory appeals.

[RedSox02]

11. So you're telling me...

....that you personally could have gone up there and stabbed a man chained to a post, then whipped him a few times right before he is hung by a crane (which is a means of hanging someone without breaking their neck meaning they just suffer for a long time).

I do not envy you. You must have some sick dreams. I can hurt someone in self defense, and I certainly would be tempted to knock around someone with some kicks and punches who had inflicted such harm on my family. But to know he is about to suffer an excruciating death, and right before it decide to bust his back open or stab him while he is chained to a post, geez I could never do that.

[vogonjiltz]

13. I'm a parent myself...

and if someone did anything like that to my kids I would gladly participate in something like that, it would take everything in me not to track them down get them alone either. I'm not saying that's the right thing to do. I certainly don't want to change the constitution to allow it and we as a society are better off that things aren't handled that way. That said, I'm not particularly bothered that something like that happened to someone like that.