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wellst0nev0ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:43 AM Original message |
Rape Caught On Tape - Perp Still Found "Not Guilty" |
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Jesus Saves (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. I saw a dateline segment on this very case |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. True. But the line of reasoning is not a good one. |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
125. this happened to my cousin as well. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #125 |
183. I'm so sorry... |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #183 |
206. Nope for the self-evident reason, as shown by this thread. |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #125 |
249. Happened to me, too, many years ago. Except I didn't "come to." |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #249 |
268. I belive it |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:58 PM Response to Reply #268 |
286. This Was ALWAYS The Message |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #249 |
307. Actually, |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. Be more ashamed to be an American, if this is how our legal system works. |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
4. So, if a guy goes to a party, and gets drunk, I can take his wallet? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. From the news article posted above |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. "Robbins said he had sex with the girl, but in a locked bedroom |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. correct |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. if he didn't rape her, |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:17 PM Original message |
if there is a tape of a rape where she is unconscious it's lack of consent |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
181. But there isn't a tape of her unconscious, thats your assumption. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #181 |
194. How about you read the article posted below? |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #181 |
200. they found him not guilty of "criminal sexual assault" because they |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #200 |
224. I was wondering about that too. Seems like there are a whole |
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hollywood926 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
138. If she didn't remember, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
131. IF YOU'RE UNCONSCIOUS, YOU CAN'T CONSENT!!!!!!!!!! |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #131 |
176. Who says she was unconscious? You assume it. |
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hollywood926 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #176 |
188. She was unconscious on the tape....they were scribbling all over her |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #176 |
193. he is in the video actually. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #131 |
241. Sorry to disgust you |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #241 |
245. What's disgusting is the assumption. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #245 |
283. what assumption? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #283 |
289. The assumption that the guy's not lying, she is. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:06 PM Response to Reply #289 |
294. But I didn't assume that |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #294 |
296. No, you just believed what you read. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #296 |
302. sigh |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #302 |
306. They saw the tape. |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #289 |
300. But aren't you |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #300 |
305. Have you read the whole thread? |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #300 |
339. Can you please look at your post in a day or two and |
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Is It Fascism Yet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 05:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Right, AlienGirl, that's it, if he gets drunk, we can take his wallet, |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
44. no, |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
137. Why do you find this so hard to understand?? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #137 |
191. I have to agree with you |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #191 |
233. unfortunately with dentists and doctors the law protects them |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #137 |
287. because if she unknowingly got drunk |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
255. my friend you absolutely will be charged with a lesser crime |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #255 |
292. So if I get drunk and rape a woman, I will get a lesser sentence????? |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 06:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. I say this as a man... |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 08:07 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. That's great |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. They raped her... |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. How do you know that for a fact? |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
184. The randomness of our "justice" system |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
55. Of course it can be rape if there is alcohol involved |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
210. Honorable decent men will say no for this reason. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
141. The boys were conscious. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
280. I am so sick of you men who IMAGINE that so many women |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:06 PM Response to Reply #280 |
293. THANK YOU, ELORIEL! --- ALL MEN... READ THE PREVIOUS POST! |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #280 |
309. Whoaaa |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #309 |
313. Spinoza |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #313 |
320. "these people" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #309 |
319. According to the FBI, *less than 2%* of accusations are false |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #309 |
326. Oh, yes, any false allegation is a terrible thing |
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DoveTurnedHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #280 |
316. AMEN! |
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loudestchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Get them drunk and tatoo "Rapist " on the forehead? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
73. self delete |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
46. What A Great Idea! |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
297. only if you make him groan or moan; |
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vpigrad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
8. More proof the repukes are in control (ntxt) |
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safenfun (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
11. inherent limitations |
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Jesus Saves (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. that's not necessarily true |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yeah, look what happened to Bernie Ebbers. |
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Jesus Saves (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 04:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. He was convicted |
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OfTheTaco (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 04:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Ugh |
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Jesus Saves (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 04:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. ? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 04:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. You object to Bernie Ebbers being convicted? |
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vpigrad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 05:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I think his point... |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 04:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. insanity defenses |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
20. WTF? That's ghastly! |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
21. The jury obviously had a reasonable doubt about the consent question. |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
96. Juries have been known to be wrong - or do you think |
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vpigrad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #96 |
254. Why the hatred of black entertainers here? |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
128. Consistently the defender of women's rights! |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #128 |
281. *snark* |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
178. Or they could've just thought the little slut got what she deserved. |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #178 |
215. the problem is that she was more likely in a blackout |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #215 |
218. I don't know. I'm truly horrified by some of the responses on this thread |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
212. no they had a reasonable doubt about the nature of the act that he did. |
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Is It Fascism Yet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
22. LOL, I'm glad you have a dick! It's nice to know that some men understand |
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eternalburn (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
24. In DuPage County if the victim does not remember....... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. two girls gang raped |
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eternalburn (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 07:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Good question..... |
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Logansquare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
119. I hope the victim files a civil suit |
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American in Asia (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. The best possible face he can put on it |
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eternalburn (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 08:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I just worry about the "next ones"....(nt) |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
285. Well, there's a ray of hope |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Trial is in Bridgeview, Cook County |
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eternalburn (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yes,.... |
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Catch22Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
32. How can two teenage boys from Illinois POSSIBLY |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Parents with money & guilt & shame. (Sure about the $$$, not the rest..) |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Very affluent area |
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Catch22Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. That's fucked up |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
38. This is a very selective outline of the facts. The jury heard much more. |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. She was 16. He admitted to having sex with her. Statutory rape. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. If she consented she consented and it was not a rape |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. So if a 15 year old consents is it not rape? A 14 year old? 13? 12? 11? |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Georgia has a fair law I think |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. You extended your arguments beyond this case. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #56 |
78. WHAT liberals are saying that? |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
120. So an "adult" 18 year old |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
148. The point is not her age. The point is she was impaired. |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. So its A-okay for an 18 year old to have sex with a half-passed out 16 |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #63 |
79. Where do you draw the line? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:35 AM Original message |
Oh I'd say when one party is passed out, that's a good place to draw it. |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #79 |
100. Unfortunately, only the jury knows how drunk she appeared |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
76. Yes, it IS statutory rape |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. It was not a 35 year old with a 14 year old |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Well the law doesn't agree with you. And the law is what they should have |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #85 |
102. You are misinterepting the law about alcohol being involved |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
221. he was an accessory to a crime. |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #51 |
81. It seems from the evidence that she wasn't in any shape to consent. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
146. Wrong again. |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
231. because of the fact that young women are easily manipulated by |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
299. how can she consent if she's passed out? |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
142. Wrong wrong wrong, assumptions, wrong |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #142 |
164. None of the articles posted here say what age he was when the |
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Cadence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
229. A sixteen year old girl consenting to a gang bang? |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
295. Just how many women do you know who ever "consented" to |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
40. How can a close to passed out drunk 16 year old |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
42. This entire thread reeks of a troubling double standard in our society. |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. She could have been experiencing a black-out. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Plus people moan in their sleep, all the time. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. You don't buy the "can't remember" line?? Have you not heard of klonopin?? |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #47 |
72. Oh. They slipped her klonopin. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I live in Chicago and have seen coverage of this case all week |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
123. If you've followed the case in local news... |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #123 |
134. A taped consensual gang-bang of a minor is child pornography |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #123 |
140. "The girl's story isn't entirely believable" |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #140 |
195. Simple answer: Video |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #195 |
203. Oh yeah? And how about the teens then spitting on her and writing on her |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #203 |
332. I don't know... |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #195 |
239. Show the evidence of consent! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #239 |
340. As noted in another post.... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #195 |
244. Might be a good idea to read the whole thread. |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #140 |
216. Her story is suspicious |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #216 |
228. Doesn't matter how much she "invited" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #216 |
247. "assumed rapists"? They MANIPULATED HER LEGS. |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #216 |
257. they were 19, 19, and 20. they were not kids. |
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hollywood926 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
150. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this... |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #150 |
225. Boys |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #225 |
251. The guy was 18... yet his parents are responsible for his raping a girl? |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #225 |
261. once again, they were over 18. |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
43. The more I think about this, the more disgusted I am |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Uh huh, and decent parents would have instilled this in these |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
61. 18 having sex with 16 is not "disgusting" |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. If you read the rest of the post you'll see where I said |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
50. Sex Assault: Myths and Facts - From The Illinois Attorney General |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Thanks for posting this. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. It is sad to see so many clueless people. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #52 |
84. No shit! |
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hollywood926 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:52 AM Response to Reply #84 |
122. Tell me about it, Redqueen! |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
338. Believe it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Well charges would have to be filed before the DA could get involved. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. The law that was quoted said "influence of alcohol" |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Oh so "She consented but she just doesn't remember now" |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. No, "if she does not remember she could have consented" |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:31 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. It's guilty beyond a REASONABLE doubt. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #82 |
97. Yes, REASONABLE doubt |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. So her lying motionless while being gangraped isn't good evidence? |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Have you seen the video? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #104 |
114. I'm just going by what was reported on the news here a few days ago. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:55 AM Response to Reply #114 |
129. So hearsay of a hearsay |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:01 PM Response to Reply #129 |
144. And courts have a long history of sticking up for women's rights... |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. And two of them have not been tried because they FLED the country! |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #114 |
187. This defendant does not have sex with her in the video. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. He does something to her. And he let the two rape her while he stood by. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Are you really defending |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I am defending the presumtion of innosence |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:31 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Well I have a lot more doubts about the men in this case. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. You might have a lot more doubts |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. If what was posted |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Agreed. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Who was the active one? |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #53 |
64. Did she shove a bottle up the guys' bums? If so, then yeah she should be |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Again |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #70 |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Nope. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #88 |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #135 |
154. He is using the word, "feminista" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #154 |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. Jesus Christ, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:15 PM Response to Reply #163 |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #154 |
166. I said "Feministe" |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #135 |
159. Let's see. |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Please explain why you think it's ok to rape a drunk woman |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:14 PM Response to Reply #165 |
170. I never said it was ok to rape a drunk woman |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:15 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. What's acceptable evidence then? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #170 |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #185 |
220. I said "Feministe". It's a name of the fucking blog |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #220 |
240. here's the Chicago Tribune article, which is actually more damning. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #240 |
256. You didn't read the whole article |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #256 |
263. nope, you didn't read it correctly. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #263 |
270. There is a mopre detailed article floatring around |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #88 |
156. The proof is that they were writing obscene words on her naked body. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #156 |
179. Who wrote the words? |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #179 |
243. yes he is shown on video writing on her with the rest of the punks. |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #243 |
250. Well, I think he's on his way. He just has to get into law school. |
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hollywood926 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #70 |
86. Here, baby... |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Rubber paragraph |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Do you really think there's no difference between having a drink |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I do think there is a difference |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #98 |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #105 |
109. That's an ad hominem |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #109 |
116. Whether you realize it or not - that is how you sound |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #109 |
190. What do they give you a debate handbook before you come over to DU? |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #190 |
197. Basically calling me a rapist |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. I was commenting on your use of the terminology |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #197 |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #105 |
266. LOL. |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #98 |
110. Well then, lets just legalize roofies, and make it easier for |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Thank you. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #98 |
145. You are overgeneralizing the law regarding alcohol |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. "My wife abused me verbally and made me hit her!" |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #89 |
112. You are exaggerating the issue and you know it. |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #53 |
91. no offense, but |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
69. excellent info bloom! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
66. My God... |
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hollywood926 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #66 |
90. You can always tell men who have engaged in this behavior... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #90 |
106. That really sickens me. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #66 |
94. We should be happy we can vote |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
93. It doesn't matter how much she has had sex before, or how much she drank |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #93 |
103. Problem is the PROOF |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. Apparently, she wasn't in any condition to consent to anything. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. The issue is not what condition you THINK she was, but what can be PROVEN |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #113 |
118. You are arguing what they did was right! |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #118 |
126. If she consented ... |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #126 |
132. What's consent? Not waking up in time? |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. Depends on the facts of the case |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #139 |
151. So how does one ever prove rape then? |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #151 |
157. Not so. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. Well most rapes aren't videotaped. So what then? |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #139 |
160. She does not have to be entirely passed out. Read the myths again |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #126 |
133. Well, let's be sure to have that silly law changed so that men |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #126 |
196. How about this scenario - a 16 year old boy passes out at a party |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #196 |
278. But we all know in this case the men would be executed. |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #113 |
124. You, and others, are acting as if the jury got this one right. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #103 |
111. She wasn't moving...she was motionless... |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Again, how do you know? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:52 AM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Again, people other than the jury saw the tape. |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #117 |
127. How do you know there was no proof? |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #127 |
136. I thought there was "double jeopady" protection. |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:01 PM Response to Reply #136 |
143. You get my point. Juries make mistakes. Every day. |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #143 |
153. Yes-it amazes me that Baby Cthulhu 69 thinks this kind of behaviour |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #143 |
155. Yes, I get your point. |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. so you think she wrote on herself? Again, fleeing can be |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. Guilt by association? (N/T) |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #162 |
169. I would say just plain guilt |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:16 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. You are not getting my point |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. Apparently the video shows him doing something to her. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #177 |
201. Source? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. The article right below! Here it is! They spat and wrote on her! |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #205 |
227. Interesting |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #227 |
230. Yep, it certainly is damning. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #230 |
234. The video evidence, according to teh article, is much less damning |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. OK, so it shows him leaving after doing something to her |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #237 |
242. I think the legal term for that is |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #242 |
248. You're making excuses for him that are beyond a REASONABLE doubt. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #248 |
252. You are accepting prosecution timeline as gospell truth |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #252 |
259. The whole event takes place in a matter of hours at MOST |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #227 |
232. You picked a convenient part of the article to quote |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #232 |
236. Enough to cast reasonable doubt |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #236 |
238. They're morons! They made a tape of them spitting and writing on her! |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #236 |
246. Okay, there's just no point in continuing this with someone who says |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #236 |
265. "if it was rape, do you think they would have made a video documenting it? |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #155 |
182. No, we shouldn't just assume that "women don't lie about rape" |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #182 |
199. excellent point! |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #103 |
152. You don't have to be motionless and silent to be impaired. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
168. Yes, you are confused |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. "Women don't lie about rape" fallacy again |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #174 |
204. And don't give me the "women aren't raped by people they know" fallacy. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #174 |
213. "Women are usually lying about rape" = FUNDIE MYTH |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #174 |
214. According to the FBI, less than 2% of cases are false accusations |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #214 |
217. FACTS? Who needs facts when we have a fundie worldview? |
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Morose (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
130. Best movie I've ever seen was |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #130 |
192. bully for you. |
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hollywood926 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
175. SInce that article is "slanted," here's another.. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. Oh, man.... |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #175 |
186. She doesn't move and they "manipulated" her legs... |
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spunky (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #175 |
208. I think the most daming part of the tape, according to that article |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. Or left there to be at their mercy. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #208 |
219. I would think it fitting that certain DUers step in at this point |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. Me too. But that'll never happen. They've erased this from their |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
202. Isn't sex with an underage girl rape anymore? What the hell. Alcohol, |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #202 |
207. You have to read Baby Cthulhu 69's responses to that question |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #207 |
211. This girl has paid the ultimate price for this already. I thought so too, |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #207 |
222. Pretty sure more than just one DUer was WAY THE HELL in the wrong here. |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #222 |
226. As always, you are correct. Some of the posts were pretty disappointing |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #226 |
253. Heh...well certainly not always... |
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_TJ_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #222 |
304. This is one of the sickest stories I have ever read |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #304 |
308. Hi TJ, |
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LiberallyInclined (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #202 |
235. the age of consent varies from state to state |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #235 |
258. It's 18 in most blue states |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #258 |
260. It's 17 in IL |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #260 |
262. No, it says they are 20 now in 2005, so in 2002...they were 17 or 18 |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #262 |
267. The article says she was 20 as well |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #267 |
271. No, the article says she is now 19! The first line of the artcle says 16. |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #271 |
273. Huh? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #273 |
275. Right Here: |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #275 |
279. 2 gulps? they had to have drugged her. n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #279 |
291. This just gets uglier and uglier. |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #260 |
264. But it's also irrelevant BECAUSE SHE WAS RAPED |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #264 |
272. Some people seem to think rape is a myth created to punish men. |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #272 |
276. Good post-obviously someone on this thread CAN'T see what's |
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Baby Cthulhu 69 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #264 |
274. Allegedly raped. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #264 |
290. I agree, of course. But in the very least they could have found these |
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LiberallyInclined (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #264 |
298. not according to the jury. |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #298 |
310. Juries have been known to be wrong. Remember OJ? |
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LiberallyInclined (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #310 |
314. what about O.J.? |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #314 |
318. Did you watch the video? You give juries that much power? |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #314 |
321. WTF are you saying? That OJ is innocent????? Wrong! |
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progmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #314 |
329. This is ludicrous argument |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #314 |
331. We're waiting |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
277. Deleted message |
jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #277 |
282. yes, every six minutes is such a rarity. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #282 |
301. But we only get rape frenzies when the jury acquits |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #301 |
312. That's ridiculous. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #277 |
288. self delete |
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JimmyJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #288 |
303. That's rich. I just typed a big old rant and deleted it without |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #303 |
311. I am more than upset. I am very very frightened for my innocent 15 year |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #311 |
324. I second that, MrsG... no parties. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
284. Future Armed Forces of America |
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DoveTurnedHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
315. There Are Some Fucked Up Responses In This Thread |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #315 |
322. You're not kidding. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #315 |
327. Whatever happened to people doing the right thing? |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #315 |
328. And the other two had FLED the country |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #315 |
330. A-fucking-men! |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #315 |
335. what an unbelievable thread to read through |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #315 |
337. Thanks Dennis..I am sure we both agree the law should afford rights to |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
333. First the legal, then the personal |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #333 |
334. Bravo! |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:16 PM Response to Reply #333 |
336. You don't mince words. |
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341. Locking |
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