CIA Got Uranium Mention Cut in Oct. (Sunday Washington Post)

[trumad]

CIA Director George J. Tenet successfully intervened with White House officials to have a reference to Iraq seeking nuclear materials from Niger removed from a presidential speech last October, three months before a less specific reference to the same intelligence appeared in the State of the Union address, according to senior administration officials.

Tenet argued personally to White House officials, including deputy national security adviser Stephen Hadley, that the allegation should not be used because it came from only a single source, according to one senior official. Another senior official with knowledge of the intelligence said the CIA had doubts about the accuracy of the documents underlying the allegation, which months later turned out to be forged.

The new disclosure suggests how eager the White House was to make Iraq's nuclear capabilities a part of its case against Saddam Hussein even in the face of earlier objections by its own CIA director. It also appears to undermine President Bush's forceful effort on Friday to blame the CIA for inclusion of the faulty allegations because the agency ultimately signed off on the State of the Union speech.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48847-2003Jul12.html?nav=hptop_tb

[Walt Starr]

1. THAT'S A FUCKING GUN!!!!

AND WHAT'S BETTER, THERE'S SMOKE COMING OUT OF THE BARREL!!!!!!

[northofdenali]

3. Not just smoke -FLAMES AS WELL.

The pResident is going down, one way or another, he can't politically keep up the front.

[goforit]

5. RIGHT ON W.STARR!!!!......And from the Washington Post no less!!!

Yep that statement that Tenent made on Friday is
going to haunt all those thugs!!!!

It is backfiring big time NOW!!!!!!!!

:bounce:

[Walt Starr]

7. I AM SOOOO HOPING RUSSERT WHORES FOR BUSH TOMORROW!

If he does, THEN RUSSERT WILL BE FUCKING TOAST TOO!!!!!

[PurityOfEssence]

59. Pleeeeese, Mr. Santa Man...

I'm so with you on this. We can have it all. We'll have video clips forever if the toadies don't wise up and say hello to Mr. Reality...

[Trajan]

105. Walter Pincus ....

Walter Pincus ....

DAMN ....... Walter Pincus IS THE MAN ! ....

AGAIN he exposes the lies of this bunch of liars ....

AGAIN: ... He defends US by revealing the truth ! ....

HE has been writing THIS stuff since last year, and hasnt relented ONE IOTA ! ...

We ALL know what happens when you lie: you have to KEEP lying to maintain that lie .... or it all comes crashing down .....

I could SWEAR I hear the China hutch falling ....

A mighty train wreck about to explode on this MISadministration ...

Walter Pincus is a national hero ... He is tireless and relentless ....

NOTE: ... Pat Roberts mentioned three days ago that the 'anonymous CIA/DIA leaks to the media had to stop' .... There is NO DOUBT where that was directed ...

Walter Pincus ..... patriotic messiah ....

IM SURE he heard that as well, and knew HE was the target of that comment .....

Yet ? ... He STILL reports without flinching ....

Walter Pincus ... he is my hero .......

[Merlin]

109. I don't trust him quite that much.

Thing is, he's just a mouthpiece for certain factions in the CIA. On this issue, he's been a fortuitous mouthpiece. But other times, he's been a propagandist for unseemly activities.

But on this, I concur. Here we see some really, really pissed off CIA people playing real hardball. Breaking this story on Saturday will completely nullify (I hope) the gains Shrubco thought they'd get from Tenet's hari-kari.

[tridim]

24. Glad to see you've come around Walt

Your posts had me worried yesterday.

[are_we_united_yet]

38. Has anybody seen this story elsewhere?

[Walt Starr]

64. It was reported on MSNBC earlier today. n/t

[caledesi]

69. A F*CKING smoking gun!

[ThorsteinVeblen]

2. Get a Rope

.

[DUreader]

4. FIND A TREE!!!!!

[goforit]

6. Tar and feathers !!!

*

[goforit]

8. It's the Skull and Bone way!!!!

Fitting!!!

[Q]

12. Sorry to burst your bubble...

...but there is no direct link to Bush* in this matter. There is a whole lineup of Bushie toadies ready to fall on their swords and say that they were wrong for not properly advising Bush*.

-

[Walt Starr]

18. Q, this guarantees the story stays alive

And the Democratic candidates who have spoken out about this, have all gone the absolutely BEST ROUTE!!!

ALMOST AS IF THEY WERE FOREWARNED!!!!!

The talking point, "Ultimately, the President is responsible for what goes into a State of the Union Address."

THEY ARE FUCKING FORCING THE BUCK TO STOP WITH DUMBASS*!!!!!!

Nobody falling on their sword can stop this. A fucking steamroller without breaks is headed STRAIGHT FOR DUMBASS*!!!

[Beetwasher]

30. It does seem as if there is momentum with this one

The story does not die and just as important, the Dems are united in their criticism and talking points.

[Walt Starr]

34. Almost as if they were fucking warned

I'm wondering if some "unnamed officals" gave a few campaigns a hint about a talking point being, "Ultimately, the president is responsible for what goes into a State of the Union Address."

:evilgrin:

Dumbass* fucked with the WRONG CIA DIRECTOR!

[Catherine Vincent]

99. "Almost as if they were forewarned"

Maybe it was my man big dog Clinton?:-)

[DancingBear]

22. Appearance Is Everything

I honestly don't think it matters how many fall - it's how it LOOKS. Our boy the ol' "straight shooter" seems to have a bit of tarnish 'round the ol' barrel at this point.

And it ain't lookin' good... :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Hamlette]

25. fall on your sword?

for a war? Not good enough.

Damn. Now we need to get Bush out of the country again so the press can hound him.

This thing would never have been an issue if the press hadn't been asking Bush about it every day. Now he goes back into the bowels of the WH and Ari bullies the press into shutting up.

[Walt Starr]

36. Tomorrow is Ari's last fucking day

If he's stupid enough to stay on Tuesday, then this crow is TOTALLY FUCKED AND MAY BE FACING IMPEACHMENT!!!

[sandnsea]

33. Without the lineup, Bush falls

There's only a handful of people who are pushing this new Bush Doctrine insanity. They're pretty well all complicit in this mess. If they all fall down, including Cheney who is being named again, Bush is finished. He hasn't got the ablity to do anything on his own.

[aquart]

54. Honey, that's just fine. That's delightful.

The more who fall on their swords, the more the remaining few will make a hash of it.

Superfabulous for that Rovian image, rats being tossed overboard, rats scurrying for cover. And all the while, Bush looks stupid, impotent, incompetent AND not a man. Because a man owns up to what he's done, he doesn't let others bail him out.

And all those donors to his campaign....

And all those Republican congressmen hoping Bush doesn't want to take a picture with them.

Somewhere on these threads a Texan said to his son, "Where I come from, and you, a man doesn't have to be under oath to tell the truth."

Bush is a liar. Bush is a coward. And people who didn't know that are finding out.

[caledesi]

71. I like how you think Aquart!!

[DagmarK]

63. But Q...........is the chosen one 100% unaccountable for what he says?

We went to WAR...........we invaded a non-threatening nation and killed close to 10,000 people based on a lil' statement in a lil' speech promoting war as the only option.

I will personally reprimand any voter who thinks the president is not responsible for what he friggin TELLS US.

Oh, Bush* has reinvented what Integrity in the Oval Office means all right!!

[calimary]

66. Yeah, but didn't the CIA put a footnote in about the Niger document

"in a report that was sent to the president"? Don't remember where I read this, but I'm certain I read it somewhere. Too much going on today and I haven't been able to keep close tabs.

And remember - this is how Nixon went down. One sacrificed fall guy after another, until he was the only one left - and then he had to leave, too.

[tjdee]

93. That was the State Department.

Even the State Department knew this was bullshit!

[caledesi]

75. 16 words....BS!

[caledesi]

73. BULLSHIT. n/t

[WilliamPitt]

79. There are only so many swords

and I think this guarantees that the story isn't going anywhere.

I can't wait to buy you a victory drink, Q. :)

[Walt Starr]

83. And the new talking point of the evolving Achordate Party is...

Ultimately, the President is responsible for what goes into the State of the Union Address.

Only one person can fall on that FUCKING SWORD!

[nostamj]

87. what ????

the bushies are going to line up and say:

THIS IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT DOESN'T HAVE A F*CKING IDEA WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AND NEVER EVER HAS......

let's see

[IndianaGreen]

95. Everything points to Dick Cheney's office!

As our dear friend The Magistrate would say: "Good hunting!"

Here is the key paragraph:

Administration sources said White House officials, particularly those in the office of Vice President Cheney, insisted on including Hussein's quest for a nuclear weapon as a prominent part of their public case for war in Iraq. Cheney had made the potential threat of Hussein having a nuclear weapon a central theme of his August 2002 speeches that began the public buildup toward war with Baghdad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48847-2003Jul12.html?nav=hptop_tb

[Trajan]

106. But Q ? ....

IF Bush was told that this assertion was SO shaky 3 months prior to the SOTU, then it belies his latest statements that he DIDNT know about how weak this story was, and WASNT warned by the CIA .....

He WAS warned: .... 3 months BEFORE the SOTU .....

He lied Friday ..... CONDI lied ...... POWELL lied .....

They lied lied lied lied LIED lied lied ....

They KNEW 3 months prior to the SOTU that the Niger letter was questionable, was warned AGAINST using it, and then USED in 3 months later, .. after which they DENIED that the CIA had warned them .....

Q ? .... I think this is VERY damning ....

You MAY be right ..... but I smell a forest fire, and the wind is a-HOWLIN ......

[Lost4words]

9. kick n/t

:kick:

[aquart]

86. That's so cool. 43 is half of 86.

It looks, I dunno, numerically poetic.

[AnnabelLee]

10. Hmmm

Administration sources said White House officials, particularly the office of Vice President Cheney, insisted on including Hussein's quest for a nuclear weapon as a prominent part of their public case for war in Iraq. Cheney had made the potential threat of Hussein having a nuclear weapon a central theme of his August 2002 speeches that began the public buildup toward war with Baghdad.

Is one of the entrants breaking away from the pack?

[DancingBear]

11. Anyone wanna guess who

"senior administration officials" are??

HINT: three letters - all caps - first one starts with "C"

Senior administration, my ass.

Bye, George.

[annagull]

15. That's what I was wondering, too

Does Cheney actually think he can throw Junior overboard and be the President himself? Let's pop the popcorn, they are starting to shoot at eachother's feet!

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. I think the deck chairs have just slid off the TItanic

Hang on folks. Man/woman the lifeboats. We're going down.

[JanMichael]

62. Sweet! Can I quote you?

Of course I can, silly me, a new thread awakens...

[caledesi]

76. ROTFLMAO! I said it was Cheney!

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

14. Geez!

Thst single story puts Tenet's "falling on his sword" into the toilet. As in too little, too late.
Man, this is getting good!

[Walt Starr]

16. Oh this is much RICHER than just throwing it in a toilet!!!!

Tenet slid a fucking knife in Dumbass*'s back RIGHT AFTER HE HAD HIS JOB GUARANTEED BY THE DUMBASS*!!!

This was the best backstab in political history!!!!

[ButterflyBlood]

35. Tenet the hero!

woohoo!

[lkinsale]

17. OOOohhhh, and Bush* said...

in that smug voice, "I'm so glad the CIA owned up to misleading me."

[MoonAndSun]

20. And another snip of the article:

"A senior administration official said Bush's chief speechwriter, Michael J. Gerson, does not remember who wrote the line that has wound up causing the White House so much grief."


The big question tomorrow, who made the decision to put the "16 words" into the speech in the first place?

My guess is Cheney.

[PurityOfEssence]

65. Don't remember a pithy centerpiece boy crying NUKES?

That's beyond preposterous. The delivery, the place in the speech, those marginalized "mere 16 words" were that which the speech was built around. It was salient, paramount and whatever you want to call it.

Everyone working on that script knew the intimate details of its inclusion. hahahahahahahahaha.

[TahitiNut]

67. So many lies to keep track of in the Land of Oz!

Poor baby! They must not have adequate database capacity to track all the lies. (Maybe they're using Access?)

[grasswire]

21. stick a fork in him

it's time to serve the entree!

[aquart]

88. That's a joke, right?

No sane person would say that.

[goforit]

23. It's gets even better when Tony fumbles too!!

LOL!!!!

Power to the people.
Yah those little specks of dirt adds up.......Poppy!!!!

[finecraft]

19. Rule # 1: Don't make the CIA mad

Didn't Poppy ever explain this to him?

[Walt Starr]

31. My guess is Tenet asked permission from Poppy

Shortly after Dumbass* decided to take all of Iraq.

The CIA position was to NEVER take out Saddam. He was too useful as a foil and he kept the fundamentalists in line. Now, we will be in Iraq forfuckingever! The CIA is pissed and Poppy probably told them, "Take him down, he was a dumbass."

[are_we_united_yet]

41. Now that is funny!!!!

[U4ikLefty]

26. Boy, kinda makes a blowjob look kinda petty...don't ya think???

I mean the whole world stopped when "the dress" was discovered. Now that Bush's lies have gotten Americans/Iraqis killed, they want to minimize it as "insignificant partisan politics." Don't think so!!!

[aquart]

57. A lie that kills Americans is insignificant?

Only George would think so.

[mike_c]

27. but the $64K question is still...

...who forged the Nigerian documents? It's hard to believe that anyone outside the U.S. or the U.K would have a motive for this, let alone anyone in Niger.

[TahitiNut]

68. Try Mossad.

Although it's a bit amateurish for them.

[starroute]

80. The Nation suggests OSP plus Sharon's office

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030707&s=dreyfuss

According to current and former US intelligence analysts and government officials, the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans funneled information, unchallenged, from Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC) to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, who in turn passed it on to the White House, suggesting that Iraqis would welcome the American invaders. The Office of Special Plans is led by Abram Shulsky, a hawkish neoconservative ideologue who got his start in politics working alongside Elliott Abrams in Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson's office in the 1970s. It was set up in fall 2001 as a two-man shop, but it burgeoned into an eighteen-member nerve center of the Pentagon's effort to distort intelligence about Iraq's WMDs and terrorist connections. A great deal of the bad information produced by Shulsky's office, which found its way into speeches by Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, came from Chalabi's INC. Since the INC itself was sustained by its neocon allies in Washington, including the shadow "Central Command" at the American Enterprise Institute, it stands as perhaps the ultimate example of circular reasoning.

<snip>

According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. This unit, which paralleled Shulsky's--and which has not previously been reported--prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans. It was created in Sharon's office, not inside Israel's Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad--which prides itself on extreme professionalism--had views closer to the CIA's, not the Pentagon's, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official.

[TahitiNut]

91. Yup. That makes tons of sense.

OSP and a (treif) "skunk works" under Sharon -- possibly Mossad rejects. "Conspiracy theory"? Nope. Just crony fascism.

[w13rd0]

28. Doesn't anyone else find it...

...fascinating that here we are, gathered together, cheering for the CIA? Haha, man, stranger days I could not have hoped to have lived in had I asked.

[DagmarK]

46. W13rdO, the only way Bush* COULD be taken down is by the CIA......

It had to come from inside the bowels of the govt. I had really hoped for a good long time that Colin Powell would have been the one to have done it. I never agreed with his politics, but I did think he was a good man. He sold his soul to the devil and is just as much of a scumbag as the rest of the Cabal. What a way to end a pretty great career.

[Andy_Stephenson]

118. Great Career? WTF...Powell is scum

Read Mai Lei Massacre. Powell is just as evil as the rest of them.

[sandnsea]

29. The Aluminum Tubes - a pattern is developing

David Albright, a physicist with the IAEA Action Team from 1992 – 1997 stated “Many centrifuge experts believe that this design would not work as the basis of a centrifuge plant.” He further stated in a Knight Ridder report of Oct 4, 2002 that he has been told that scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California and other U.S. nuclear weapons facilities disagreed with that assessment but have been ordered not to say anything. He quoted one scientist as saying that "the administration can say what it wants and we are expected to remain silent."

CIA analysts also disagreed with this assertion which the Post just pointed to. The tubes needs to be the next investigation. Who insisted the tubes be included in the SOTU and other reports?

[MoonAndSun]

32. The aluminum tubes are next!!! look at this snip:

"Officials involved in preparing the speech said there was much more internal debate over the next line of the speech, when Bush said in reference to Hussein, "Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, in his Feb. 5 presentation to the United Nations, noted a disagreement about Iraq's intentions for the tubes, which can be used in centrifuges to enrich uranium. The U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency had raised those questions two weeks before the State of the Union address, saying Hussein claimed non-nuclear intentions for the tubes. In March, the IAEA said it found Hussein's claim credible, and could all but rule out the use of the tubes in a nuclear program."


The Sunday talk shows should be good tomorrow.:evilgrin:

[Walt Starr]

39. I pray to the Goddess that Russert continues blowing Dumbass*

If he does, he'll go down along with the criminal administration he has helped to prop up.

He's usually pretty good ant judging the shifting winds and may be tough on Rummy.

[annagull]

43. Condisleeza Rice will have a bad day tomorrow

Our favorite bobble-head will be in overdrive, her head may just bobble off her neck! I say, it is time for the Almighty Bush Himself to answer some questions in a real press conference, and NOW!!!

[DagmarK]

37. WTF was Tenet's statement yesterday then????

???????

This is the worst cover-up/let me fall on the sword for you your royal highness I have ever seen.

The big question: Will the whores pick this up????????

[Walt Starr]

42. To sum up the two page Tenet statement in a single sentence:

"They told me not to tell them it was a lie, so I didn't."

See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=32769&mesg_id=32769&page=

I pray many of the media whores, especially Russert, DO NOT PICK UP ON THIS SMOKING GUN!!!

If they don't they'll go down too because they will lose out on the biggest political backstab in history!

To make the comparison, this is bigger than Brutus stabbing Caesar.

[DancingBear]

40. To my CIA connected friends

thank you.

I spent a year in the late 90's doing IT stuff for a government subcontractor. Had absolutely no idea what the company did, but it was run by high up ex-CIA guys. I made a few 'peon" friends (great political conversations over lunch) and we talked of the CIA mindset and such. They left me with this thought - do not EVER lay false blame on the CIA. They remember, and they get even.

Halleluah.

[DagmarK]

52. Woo......but getting even in less than 24 hours???

WOW!!!

I can just see the meetings between Tenet and ROVE.....discussing how Tenet needed to take the fall and Tenet insisting that Bush give him a thumbs up..... and blammo.....

I wouldn't mess with the CIA.......

[alfredo]

90. I am a former member of another agency, and I agree

you don't fuck with spooks. I am part of a mailing list of ex spooks. Many were big Bush supporters, but now they are turning on him. He attacked one of us, that is a sin.

I knew when rummy set up the OSP that things were going to go terribly wrong. I knew it would lead to a lot of people getting killed. I was already unhappy with the way they were pointing the finger at the intelligence community for 9-11. what goes around comes around.

bush is such a turd.

[Merlin]

110. You are so right about the OSP. How can they not have known?

It seems the Dems (like Clinton) had much more of a sense of propriety when dealing with the spooks.

Here we thought the neocons were so smart. They're idiots!

OSP is Wolfy's baby, I think. I still believe it was illegal, and that its passing uphill unvetted Chalabi rumors was a violation of the NS Act. But that's another scandal to come, hopefully.

[TheBigGuy]

44. Wha--at?

The Washington Post no less.

This is a startling revelation!

Who are these "senior administration offiicials". Sounds really interesting!

[Beetwasher]

49. Ahh, Sr. Admin. Officials! Yes, isn't that interesting?

You see, at the "behest" of this admin., the press is no longer allowed to name them. Did you know that? That's how they now HAVE refer to just about anyone from the admin. whom they quote. But now, I'll bet the admin. themselves would LOVE to know who they are wouldn't they? Don't you just love it when something like this comes back to bite them in the ass?

[TahitiNut]

45. My oh my. The front page of Sunday's WP, no less.

The only question left is: above or below the fold? :silly:

The Sunday Presstitutes oughta be verrry interesting this time. How will they avoid holding their noses in the midst of such a stench as this?

Tenet must be 'wired in' to either Powell or Rice, one of whom (inadvertently?) set up the Boy King. Think about it. Mickey Mouth is in Africa away from his two heavy handlers, Obermeister Cheney and Reichsfuhrer Rumsfeld. Either Powell or Rice had to feed the Mouth his 'script' about the CIA's (purported) failure to keep the SOTU just barely short of being ridiculously fraudulent. The Mouth siezed on the arrogance of blaming Tenet and (kiss of death, no mistake) having "100% confidence in him." (That's DC's way of saying "so long, sucker!") Having a consciousness of such events even more ephemeral than a fart in a stiff breeze, the Mouth was typically brain-faded about October's deletion of the same bald lie.

His Chimperial Lowness swaggered right into this Tarbaby.

Lovely. All we need are feathers and a rail.

[TheBigGuy]

51. "Senior administraion officiasls" mentioned in the story

I noticed that the WP story sourced "senior administration offiicials'".

This means the source is not reallly the CIA, but probably someone inside the White House or OSD.

So the idea that Poweell or Condi or their staff is behind the leaks is probably a good guess.

[TahitiNut]

56. Tenet really is a "senior adminstration official."

They didn't say "White House sources." Nonetheless, it's consistent with the notion that Powell or Rice (I'm betting Powell) helped set up the pig farm swill spewer.

[wellstone_democrat]

94. why powell? or more crazily Rice!

and why the eternal (on DU in general) desire to find in Powell some redeeming action? Let's see: he was in charge of the cover up at Mi Lai, he joined this administration before it was even elected and has done their bidding ever since. He's up to his neck in this.

As for Rice, she's a true believer as well---schooled in cold war languages and politics, mentored by those still seeking global domination to stop the "red menace"

What exactly have either of these two people done that elicits the suggestion that they want to take their cushy little world down? There is some sort of projecting that goes on here that seeks to forever find secret desires among Rice and Powell to overthrow Bush.

Sorry, I don't buy this at all.

[Trajan]

108. I am guilty ....

of giving Powell MORE credit than should be due him ...

BUT: .... He is the primary buffer against the PNAC in the WH ....

Cheney hates him ....

Rumsfeld hates him ....

Wolfowitz hates him ....

Gingrich and ALL his AEI buddies HATE the STATE .....

If Powell has such infamous enemies he MUST be doing SOMETHING right .....

Ill continue to place him ONE notch above the others for that reason ...

[TahitiNut]

116. I'm not interested in 'redeeming' anyone.

I'm far less interested in picking "evil-doers" and "good guys" than I am in viewing the behavior, issues, and the dynamics of a corrupt madministration. I don't see Mickey Mouth being in control; he's handled, pure and simple(ton). The question, then, is who "(mis)handled" him in Africa when he went for the Tarbaby. Clearly, Condi was the primary puppeteer. It seems, however, that somebody was able to offer a prescripted remark the Mouth couldn't resist. For that, I nominate Powell -- mostly speculatively. Condi has not shown any propensity for integrity or candor. Powell has consistently shown, most notably in his UN speech, some degree of reticence to engage in outright lying. It's possible, of course, that Tenet conned Condi and she cluelessly bit on a convenient swagger. I'm just more doubtful.

Note: I'm watching bobble-head (she's got a "tell" when the lies get too thick) Condi on Face the Nation right now. Interestingly, Powell's not being trotted out for Sunday morning. (There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday moring?) Rummy's on Steph's ABC circlejerk. Bob Schieffer seems to have a stiffened spine. They're double-teaming her (with Doyle McManus of the LA Times). There's no question in my feeble mind that the madministration knows they've been had -- one finger of their many greedy hands in the cookie jar.

[TahitiNut]

55. Also, reading the tea leaves of the WP(ravda) ...

Let's take notice of the fact that Smirk is referred to merely as "Bush" in the article. Nowhere is the capitalized "President" mentioned as such, and nowhere is Bush called "President Bush". We do, however, see "Vice President Cheney" mentioned in all his titled glory.

Interesting. "They're off and running!!" :silly:

[5thGenDemocrat]

92. Like the guy said in "Hoosiers"

"...Ship your ass on down the Monon line."
John
I'll set up the coffee pot tonight. Looks like a good Sunday morning for TV.

[Terwilliger]

47. HOLY CRAP, BATMAN!!!

Now THAT is the smoking gun!! There's NOOOOO doubt that they're lying to cover-up their mistake!!!!!!!!

So :wtf: was Tenet's falling on his sword about? Whats the plan?

Somebody's gonna have to pay the price! They'll blame it on SPOT or BARNEY, the dogs!!!!!

[Walt Starr]

50. Tenet "falling on his sword" was the BIGGEST POLITICAL BACKSTAB

Since Brutus took out Caesar.

[DrBB]

60. As I have been arguing constantly for the last 36 hours

...or thereabouts. Tenet knew what he was doing. Which I would gladly substantiate were it not that all threads except Will Pitts seem to vanish in 3 hours these days. No CIA director could have written that letter without knowing what he was doing, but all those posts seem to have vanished so I'll say it again.

Tenet wrote the most damning "exculpatory" letter for the Shrump possible. He basically did nothing but confirm what the accusers have been saying. And they had no choice but to run with it and hope nobody read beyond the headline. But now they're fucked. Aren't they fucked? I'm pretty sure this article means that, one way or another, now or in 2004, in the court of public opinion or some other court THEY ARE FUCKED.

[Walt Starr]

61. "They told me not to tell them it was a lie, so I didn't."

That pretty much sums up what Tenet said.

[DrBB]

77. Or THEIR version, which is even worse

...namely: "He didn't stop us from lying, therefore it's HIS fault!"

Oh yeah, that'll stand up.

Condi blamed Tenet to the press on AF 1. Then she called Tenet to tell him he'd better back her play or else. So he did, in classic CIA fashion. And did they know what he'd done, when they read it? I'm sure Karl did. But they had no choice but to go with it. Right over the FUCKING CLIFF!!!!!

Tenet knew what he was doing, I'm convinced of it. It almost makes me like the guy.

Phew. I do NOT want to let my emotions run away with me here. I'm sure they have a play. They always have a play. But I don't see how they can get off this one. And with every single report of another attack on our guys in Iraq this hook is going to dig deeper into the flabby meat of this criminal administration. Deeper and deeper. Even if it doesn't come to impeachment, they are sorely wounded.

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[DagmarK]

72. DrBB......FYI.......I hear ya.....

Your message has been received loud and clear.

I agree totally......

Tenet did nothing more than stand like a man because as head of the CIA, it WAS his responsibility to raise a ruckus about the Niger reference. So whether he didn't see the final speech OR whether he was told to back off and let it run.....it was still his responsibility, as CIA director to say something. But when you are working for an emperor who wears no clothes.....what can a guy do?

Man, I keep reading this thread over and over because it just really floats my previously sinking boat.

Oh, the beauty of having a story like this out in the open is truly amazing. The whores pick it up......and Bush is sunk. The whores don't pick it up, Bush is sunk and so are the whores. I guess I am going for the 2-for-1 deal.

Thank you God. And, I guess I will have to trundle across town to get a Washington Post at the expensive coffee house tomorrow. Oh indeed this is one to save for posteriety.

[Gman]

48. "And I think, frankly, much of the country has moved on, as well."

Yeah, you'd like to think that wouldn't you, Ari?

[are_we_united_yet]

53. You have to admit.......

Ari is a virtuoso at sweeping shit under an invisible rug.

[DagmarK]

58. Lord, can't you see these thugs replaying in their minds.......

the moments and discussions when they added this Niger stuff to the SOTU?

I can see Cheney and Rove saying, "ya know....after the cold war and all, the American people just don't get too riled up about regular bombs and bullets. They are more accustomed to ducking their little heads in the face of NUCLEAR threats. Hmmmmmm. We *really* need a nuclear threat from Saddam. That will surely seal the deal. Oh yes.....let's run with that."

Yeppers......sealed the deal indeed. Sealed my faith that somehow this insanity can come to an end.

And ya know......if this gets buried or smirked off...I really *am* leaving this country!!!!!!

[Qutzupalotl]

96. It's that mushroom cloud imagery

that plays so well in middle america.

[Cush]

70. Its now on the MSNBC Site

http://www.msnbc.com/news/default.asp?0ct=-34o

front page

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

111. It's gone now. (n/t)

[Walt Starr]

74. HOLY FUCKING SHIT HITTING THE FAN, BATMAN!!!!

This thing is a definite global fucking scandal now!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=11127&mesg_id=11127&page=

Australian officials are going down over weaponsgate!

THIS THING IS NOT GOING TO FUCKING STOP!!!!

BUSHCO IS REAPING THE WHIRLWIND!!!!

[WilliamPitt]

78. Re: the new Tenet Niger story - the "administration official" could be

someone from State, someone from the Pentagon...hell, Rand Beers, Greg Thielmann and Joseph Wilson were all 'administration officials' because they came in with the administration.

I said it on Thursday, Mr. Bush: Scapegoat the CIA at your mortal meril, you dumb shit.

Burn, baby, burn.

[dweller]

81. Starlight, Starbright first star I see tonite

Nicknack Paddywack, give Everydog a bone

:kick:

i wish i may, i wish i might.....

dp

[scottxyz]

82. Analysis from Ruppert on "CIA mouthpiece" Pincus

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070103_beyond_bush_1.html

Of all of these stories, it is the June 22 front-page Washington Post story by Walter Pincus that tells me that Bush is cooked. Pincus is a CIA mouthpiece who wrote a 1967 column titled, "How I traveled the world on a CIA stipend." He was the major damage control spokesman when Pulitzer Prize winner Gary Webb's 1996 stories blew the lid off of CIA connections to Contra-connected cocaine being smuggled into Los Angeles. If any journalist is a weathervane for the tides of political fortune in a scandal like this it is Pincus. His role, though likely to be shared with other press organizations, will be the same as Woodward and Bernstein's in Watergate.

[Cush]

85. woah

from the article:

""In that article, titled, "Report Cast Doubt on Iraq- Al Qaeda Connection" Pincus created a virtual airtight separation of the CIA from the White House. It was, in effect, a warning to Bush that if he sought an escape by blaming the Agency, it would backfire.""

[hedda_foil]

89. I think Ruppert pretty well nailed it.

And anyone who has not read his long article predicting this MUST.

But Pincus is a major player, whereas Woodward -- though a CIA spear carrier -- was just a junior guy at the time. Woodward and Bernstein had to labor long and hard before Watergate really picked up traction. Pincus's words reverberate loudly. I really think the establishment doesn't just want the neocons and * taken down, but it wants them taken down NOW.

[tjdee]

84. ALUMINIMUM TUBES, y'all!

Come ON, dig it up!

[LibertyorDeath]

97. I'm as Giddy as a school girl on Prom night. This is all happening so fast

Rove must be looking for new employment already . This is some
sweet justice taken down by the CIA & their own arrogance.
I'm savoring every moment like a fine French Bordeaux.
Time to brake out the Dewars & watch the implosion ring side.
Tomorrow Tomorrow I love ya Tomorrow you're only a day away !

[Catherine Vincent]

98. If this isn't Bullshit, I don't know what is....

"A senior administration official said Bush's chief speechwriter, Michael J. Gerson, does not remember who wrote the line that has wound up causing the White House so much grief."

(This was posted on LBN also.)

[JanMichael]

115. You're right. I write plenty of memos and speak to the occasional...

...committee and I remember EVERY important point that I write or say. Every one. None of those things are as weighty as trying to start a war either.

That the speechwriter does not know where the words came from is a bald faced LIE.

[LoZoccolo]

100. word count

"I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." = 12 words

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." = 16 words which is 4 more than 12!

[FubarFly]

101. And this is all the warm-up:

The main event occurs when the 9/11 investigation goes public.

My guess is the administration fought hard to remove blame from themselves and shift it to the CIA. Keep the damning parts secret and then publicly blame it on faulty intelligence.

Warned in advance that shrubya was going to try this, the intelligence community decided they had to strike first.

They are just greasing the wheels now.

Bush knew, we knew he knew, and very soon, the rest of the world will as well.

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[LoZoccolo]

102. Bob Boudelang knew!

Now I'm really surprised that flew over everyone's radar. Bob Boudelang, in his 3/14/2003 column:

"Do they not know Sodom must be stopped from getting nuculear weapons, even if the evidence that he has them is fake? Do they not know that Sodom has aluminum tubes? Do they not know Sodom has little vials? Do they not know Sodom has a drone made out of balsa wood and duct tape?"

This could possibly be the most damaging evidence yet!

Now if you don't believe me here it is right here! I did not make this quote up so stop saying that!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/bob/03/73.html

[deacon]

103. George Milhous Bush

msnbc has this story too leading with 'Why Bush cited it in Jan. is unclear'

"mission accomplished" ? "case closed" ? nahhhhhh

[deacon]

104. forgot to mention this is almost reaganesque

if he didn't know- why didn't he?

[jpgray]

107. SOMEDBODY GOT OWNED!

YES!!!!

Tenet came through after all, I called it!

[Cooley Hurd]

112. kick! The media is burying this!!!!!

The story disappeared from MSNBC's front page (website) and CNN is IGNORING it all together!

Expect full counter-spin from the Sundits...

:grr:

[loudsue]

113. It's a Lazarus story -- it will rise again from the dead. Don't worry!

Bigger boys are going to bring down the shrub. He's gotten too dangerous to too many people. And he'll be showing himself to be even more dangerous in the upcoming months.

They're going to show chimpy showing his ass before long...in a really public way. Up til now, they've been covering for him, but they're about to take the rose-colored lenses off the TV cameras.

:kick:

[Cooley Hurd]

114. I pray you're right, Sue...

Rummy did a lousy job on Meet the Whore this am (came across as all squeaky and squinty), and I'll bet Condi doesn't fare much better on CNN's Late Ed...

They've slithered off the hook on so much for so long. I want this to stick to them like glue!

[9215]

117. kick n/t

.

[JanMichael]

119. Son of a BITCH!

Very nice development.