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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:45 AM
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FOX- Reverand Jesse Jackson Visits Terri Schiavo
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 09:50 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
on edit-don't you hate when you have a typo in a one sentence paragraph and you can't fix it without the "whole world" seeing your error...
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wickywom Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:47 AM
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1. Has he made a statement?
Who invited him?
Michael I believe still controls the visitations.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:48 AM
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2. The Schindlers invited him
If I was Michael Shiavo I would not let the man anywhere near her.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:32 AM
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29. This is not good. Now this fiasco will become a "Democratic"
blunder. Do I smell KKKaarl in the background?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:57 PM
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72. And if he would have refused the families request to come there...
...what do you think would have been the lead story of the day everywhere for about a month straight? Got any guesses?

Don

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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:17 AM
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77. You are right.
One way or the other they will find a way to pin this on our backs.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:48 AM
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3. Duno
Just a newsflash....

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:48 AM
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4. Yeah
I'm actually disappointed he's getting involved in this. I thought he was smarter than that to butt in someone's PRIVATE and PERSONAL affair. Oy.
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:53 AM
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5. I doubt he's butting in...
...knowing Jesse, it's nothing more than a photo op.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:38 AM
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6. Jesse Jackson has always gotten "it" - another consistent Progressive
Jesse Jackson - another CONSISTENT progressive who gets it.

Good old consistent anti-war, anti-injustice Jesse who's not part of the revolting nuanced anti-"this" war or anti-"this" injustice that is permeating a dying Democratic Party that can't take a consistent stance on anything.

Go Jesse. You get it. Tom Harken gets it. Even RINO "he-has-a-100% rating-from-the-DLC" Lieberman gets it. Already we have people here crying about Michigan not wanting to treat gays. It's time the pseudo wannabe Left got it through our microcephalic skulls that once you allow the state and our ambulatory arrogance to determine who is Lebensunwertes Leben (Life Unworthy of Life) and who isn't - you just might not like the results.

But hell, what would I know. I'm just a leftist retard - a lovely term coined right here in River City.

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Jesse Jackson is expected to visit Terri Schiavo today as the invitation of the Schindler family.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2005/03/29/m1a_schiavo_0329.html

PINELLAS PARK, Fl., March 28 / -- On Tuesday morning, March 29, The Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr., founder and president of the RainbowPUSH Coalition, plans to visit the Woodside Hospice, where Terri lives, located at 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N and 102nd Avenue N) in Pinellas Park, Florida.
Rev. Jackson is responding to an invitation from the Schindler family to come and pray with the family, and if possible visit Terri Schiavo in the hospice.
After meeting and praying with the Schindler family, Rev. Jackson will make a statement to the press.

Press Conference Details---

When: Tuesday, March 29, at approximately 9:30 AM

Where: In front of the Woodside Hospice, where Terri lives, located at 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N and 102nd Avenue N) in Pinellas Park, Florida.

Who: Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr., founder and president of the RainbowPUSH Coalition

Why: "I think the feeding tube should be reinstated. This is a very tough emotional, ethical, political issue. But you know she is brain impaired, she is not brain-dead. And right now they're starving her to death. They're dehydrating her to death, and that raises profound ethical questions. That tube should be reinstated. She is not brain-dead. She's brain impaired. It's not right to starve her to death. That's not right ethically." -- Rev. Jesse Jackson

http://www.earnedmedia.org/tf03281.htm

...

Nearly half of the Congressional Black Caucus members who voted on the Terri Schiavo case last weekend supported the Republican-sponsored bill, but none participated in the debate and only one put a statement on his Web site.

Nine voted yes, 13 voted no, and 18 were not present. Supporters included such prominent African-American congressmen as Harold Ford of Tennessee and Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois. They all kept quiet about it except for Albert Wynn of Maryland.

While he said nothing during House debate, Wynn's statement on his Web site said that while the case should not have been brought before Congress, it had become "a question of conscience." In the absence of a living will, he said, "Congress should afford Ms. Schiavo the opportunity to continue receiving life-saving sustenance."
...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak271.html


Lawmakers, Liberal Activists Back Saving Terri Schiavo

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Support for Terri Schiavo and her parents efforts to prevent her painful starvation death isn't just limited to conservatives, Republicans, Catholics or pro-life groups. A number of Democratic lawmakers and liberal political advocates want to protect Terri or, at least, allow her parents to have hearings in federal courts on their case.

... Ralph Nader says a "profound injustice is being inflicted on Terri Schiavo" and he is urging Florida courts to allow Terri to stay alive.

...

They said the courts have imposed a "slow death" on Terri and noted that attempts should be made to allow Terri to eat or drink on her own before starving her to death.

"Terri swallows her own saliva," Nader and Smith said. "Spoon-feeding is not medical treatment. This outrageous order proves that the courts are not merely permitting medical treatment to be withheld, it has ordered her to be made dead."

Meanwhile, civil rights activist and former presidential candidate Jesse Jackson has chimed in as well. Jackson called on Florida Governor Jeb Bush to step in and help Terri.

....

Senate Democrats have also issued their support for Terri and her parents.

....

"Her parents want to give her a chance. I think of my own daughter. We ought to give her a chance," added Democratic Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota. Rep. Jose Serrano, a New York Democrat who is a veteran of the civil rights movement saidcourts "should err on the side of giving the family a chance to let her live." Another liberal Northeastern Democrat, Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts, told the Associated Press the "human side" of the drama inspires his position. "I felt the position of the parents was particularly compelling. I have a daughter, so I understand how powerful that kind of love is," he said.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio847.html

==

What if There Is Something Going On in There

Copyright 2003 The New York Times

September 28, 2003, Sunday, Late Edition

SECTION: Section 6; Page 52; Column 1; Magazine Desk


Daniel Rios is 24 years old, with wavy black hair, a thick mustache and a glassy stare that seems to look both at you and through you. One day almost four years ago, while he was taking a shower, a blood vessel ruptured in his brain, and he collapsed on the bathroom floor. After emergency surgery, he lay in a coma for three weeks. When he finally opened his eyes, he could not speak or move his body; his head simply lolled. In the months that followed, the doctors monitoring him at the Center for Head Injuries at the J.F.K. Johnson Rehabilitation Institute in Edison, N.J., saw few signs that he had any meaningful mental life. Sometimes he looked as if he were crying. Other times his eyes would follow a mirror passed before his face. On his best days he was able to close his eyes on command. But those days were rare. For the most part he lay unresponsive, adrift in a neurological twilight.

One morning just over a year after his accident, Rios was taken to the Sloan Kettering Institute on Manhattan's East Side. There, in a dim room, a group of researchers placed a mask over his eyes, fixed headphones over his ears and guided his head into the bore of an M.R.I. machine. A 40-second loop of a recording made by Rios's sister Maria played through the headphones: she told him that she was there with him, that she loved him. As the sound entered his ears, the M.R.I. machine scanned his brain, mapping changes in activity. Several hours afterward, two researchers, Nicholas D. Schiff and Joy Hirsch, took a look at the images from the scan. They hadn't been sure what to expect -- Rios was among the first people in his condition to have his brain activity measured in this way -- but they certainly weren't expecting what they saw. "We just stared at these images," recalls Schiff, an expert in consciousness disorders at Weill Medical College of Cornell University. "There didn't seem to be anything missing."

As the tape of his sister's voice played, several distinct clusters of neurons in Rios's brain had fired in a manner virtually identical to that of a healthy subject. Some clusters that became active were those known to help process spoken language, others to recall memories. Was Rios recognizing his sister's voice, remembering her? "You couldn't tell the difference between these parts of his brain and the brain of one of my graduate students," says Hirsch, an expert in brain imaging at Columbia University. Even the visual centers of Rios's brain had come alive, despite the fact that his eyes were covered. It was as if his sister's words awakened his mind's eye.

To the medical world, Rios and the hundreds of thousands of other Americans who suffer from impaired consciousness present a mystery. Traditionally, there have essentially been only two ways to classify them: as comatose (eyes closed and responses limited to basic reflexes) or vegetative (eyes opening and closing in a cycle of sleeping and waking but without any sign of awareness). In either case, it has been assumed that they have no high-level thought. But Schiff, Hirsch and a small group of like-minded researchers are studying people like Rios and finding that the truth is far more complicated. Their evidence suggests that even after an injury that leaves a brain badly damaged, even after months or years with little sign of consciousness, people may still be capable of complex mental activity. "If I say, 'Touch your nose,' and you touch your nose, and then I say 'Touch your nose' six more times, and you don't do it, how do we account for the one time you did?" asks Joseph T. Giacino, a neuropsychologist who collaborates with Schiff and Hirsch.

(snip)

Nine years ago, when he was a young resident at New York Presbyterian Hospital, Schiff began working under Fred Plum, one of the neurologists who first recognized the "persistent vegetative state" in 1972. By the early 90's, technology was becoming powerful enough to offer a glimpse of what was happening in the vegetative brain, and Plum put Schiff in charge of a project to scan vegetative patients. After a long, often frustrating struggle to find patients to study, filling out reams of paperwork and coping with suspicion and indifference, Schiff and his colleagues published their results last year in the journal Brain.

Their findings were remarkable. Among other tests they conducted, they used a technology known as positron emission tomography (PET) to estimate how much energy the brains of their subjects were using. One subject, a 49-year-old woman who had been in a vegetative state for 25 years, would say something every few days -- often a curse word. Overall, the woman's brain was using less energy than the brain of someone under deep anesthesia, but some regions of her brain were running at close to normal, including the neural network that produces language. Those regions were still producing words, long after the woman's consciousness disappeared. Another subject was a 42-year-old man who had been in a vegetative state for seven years; he would groan and clench his teeth when he was touched or heard a loud noise but appeared to be soothed on occasion by his mother's voice or soft music. Schiff discovered that one area still functioning in the man's brain was associated with listening to music and recognizing a voice's emotional inflections. And in the truly exceptional case of one 25-year-old man who exhibited no physical responses at all, Schiff found that the patient's brain used almost as much energy as that of a conscious person. The results of the study offered hints about the nature of consciousness. High-level thought -- like language and memory -- occurs in networks of neurons located at the surface of the brain in a thin layer of tissue called the cortex. These networks also form loops, however, that dip deep within the brain, where they converge and then return to the surface. According to a theory proposed by Rodolfo Llinas of New York University, a special set of neurons deep in the brain synchronizes the activity of the loops of higher thought. The harmony of all the different thought processes gives rise to a coherence that we call consciousness. Schiff and his colleagues say they suspect that when a number of these loops or the region that synchronizes them is damaged, the brain slips into a vegetative state. Yet even after extensive brain damage, they argue, some of the loops may still function, though in isolation -- like fragments of mind.


(snip)

http://www.msu.edu/course/hm/546/nyt_pvs.htm
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. Yes - Jesse anti-same-sex-marriage is a "progressive"
when it suits him.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #8
14. Wrong Then Right Now...
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 11:12 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
The wonderful thing about life is as long as we are alive we can atone for past mistakes...


Jesse's been in the public eyes some forty years since he was a lieutenant for Dr. King. in the civil rights movement.. Outside of his unfortunate remarks about our Jewish brothers and sisters he made during his 84 campaign I am unaware of any other anti-progressive stands he has taken...
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Some anti semitism, some anti gay stuff - no biggie.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:17 AM
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18. He Supports Civil Unions
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 11:32 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
as did the standard bearer of the Democratic party, John Kerry...


Most elected Democratic offficials oppose gay marriage including traditional liberals such as Ted Kennedy...

Even DNC Chairman Howard Dean opposes gay marriage...It's the defacto policy of the Democratic party...


I believe they are profoundly wrong and history will reveal them as wrong...


Jesse Jackson apologized for his anti-semitic remarks... Those most directly affected by it accepted it and moved along....


on edit- typos... I should have not goofed off during typing classes...
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. And if you want to give someone credit for their history and positions
do it for their entire histories and positions.

I don't buy the argument from authority - Jesse says it so it must be progressive - or worse, must be right.

Jesse is entitled to as many mistakes as anyone else, and his name attached to any issue doesn't validate it.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. I Look At A Person's Whole History...
None of us should be judged by our own worst moment...
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:56 PM
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39. Better yet: we don't need to JUDGE.
I'm just saying I don't buy the argument from authority. Because Jesse Jackson has admirably championed some good causes doesn't mean every cause he champions is good, or that he's always right.

People with similar overall goals can disagree on issues.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. I Agree...
"People with similar overall goals can disagree on issues."


But as this thread and the other threads on this topic suggest some believe there is some official liberal position on the Terri Schiavo that from which we are not allowed to stray....
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. I think there are 2 factors at work here:
#1, there is some concensus, fuzzy though it may be, on certain issues among democrats. There is generaly a belief in privacy. There is generally a belief in personal autonomy.

Certainly there are dems who do not hold to these, but they are generally true. So you might expect dems to hold these as standards.

#2, an incredible amount of misrepresentation of the facts has been put forth, almost all duplicating RW talking point. So I think it's reasonable to expect a backlash there.

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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #18
70. and that makes it right?
and if it is the "defacto policy" of the Democratic Party, just one more reason I'm glad I'm not a Democrat

fucking hypocrites

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #70
76. I Said They Were Profoundly Wrong...
My feelings couldn't be more clear....
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #76
78. thank you
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. Good examples of the ability of the brain to recover --
if there is a brain there to recover. TS's cerebral cortex has atrophied and been replaced by spinal fluid. There is no possibility of recovery. None. She has less cognitive ability than a bug. It is not that her brain is working badly, or that it is not responding. It isn't there.

Is that so hard to understand?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. I love when the Schindlers or their reps say she is "Still alert
and responsive!" since she's been neither for 15 years.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #9
31. Yes. Because I believe we really don't know
As late as the 70s were were operating on infants without anesthesia because we said they didn't feel pain. When in doubt, I'd rather err on the side of life and there are many experts who say that given a chance, they believe they could have worked and still could work with Terry to help her improve. I'd rather err on the side of Life.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Is she's less cognitive than a bug, and unfeeling, why do people even care if her family us given a chance to care for her? To know that they did everything possible to help their daughter/sister?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. So the fact that Terri HERSELF
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 12:04 PM by prolesunited
stated that she did not want to live in a vegetative state means nothing?

Err on the side of life? No. How about carrying out her wishes?

I've made my wishes clear with my family and my future husband and we will be formalizing it with written documents (as this case shows, spoken words don't seem to be enough.)

I would be furious if they kept me in a permanent vegetative state against my wishes. It doesn't matter if someone is willing to care for her. It is *not* the life she chose.

I don't want the state, judges, society or YOU telling me that I need to live in a permanent vegetative state just cause there might be some "hope."

It's about self-determination. If you want to live that way, fine. That's your business. We're not killing Terri. We're honoring her wishes.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Can you prove those are her wishes?
My family's been through this but in our case the desires of my uncle were clear, in writing, and we knew exactly what do to. In this case, it's not clear at all that that she would have choosen to NOT receive rehabilitative care instead of lingering in that situation for the many years her husband was fighting in the courts.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. They were proven to the satisfaction of the law. We have no other
standard, and no other procedure for sorting out such conflicts.

If you have a better system than the law for this, please present it.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. And the court decisions determinig that it was INDEED her wishes
count for nothing? The testimony of her spouse as well as two other people is null and void? Like it or not, property, decisions, etc. fall to the spouse in such cases unless otherwise stated. She communicated her wishes to her spouse and it rests with him to handle her affairs.

I'm glad your uncle's wishes were in writing and I hope that eased what must have been a difficult time for your family. I think getting things in writing is a lesson for all of us in this case.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. The Case Has Been Argued And Reargued So Many Times
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 01:34 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
it reminds me of California versus Orenthal James Simpson....


No minds will be changed....


I don't want to speak for Tinoire... She can more than speak for itself but we question the accuracy of Michael Shiavo, his sister in law, and brother's recollections on what were Terri's wishes... I do not have to question his voracity because recollections are subject to the prism of our own experiences and the passing of time...


We realize this has been adjudicated and a judgment has been rendered... We just question it...

Further discussion is pointless... We have no greater chance of changing each other's minds than the folks who think O J didn't do it have of disabusing the folks that think O J did have of that notion or vice versa...

The argument is beyond sterile...


So I can kill two birds with one stone I will say I also believe in personal autonomy...

If I truly believed it was Ms. Schiavo's wishes or the wishes of anyone in that predicament I would have no problem in them being dropped out of a helicopter and into the Pacific Ocean which is in spitting distance of the hospice where she is dying....
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #38
55. It was her parents that were fighting in the courts. The courts and
her husband were in agreement. They could have ended this ten years ago.

Shame on them for dragging her death out like this.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. So get out there and picket the Planned Parenthood clinics
Since adult women can't be entrusted to make choices and since you have to "err on the side of life".

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #36
49. Your argument is very silly, not to mention very misdirected
Nice try :hi:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #49
74. Nice evasion. Thanks!
I like to see you know you're in error again.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. Those who say she can improve with their help have an agenda
which has nothing to do with TS. She cannot improve. There is not enough of her brain left for any re-routing of neural impulses.

Is she suffering? Possibly. That which remains of her brain is where the most basic functions lie, which is why she is able to breath and her heart can still pump. But if she is suffering, and if she has enough of her brain left to interpret the suffering, it is no worse than she has suffered over the last 15 years. I suspect, though, that she is not, and does not have the remaining brain capacity to interpret pain as suffering. Stick a pin in a newborn baby and it will scream. Stick a pin in Terri, and nothing happens.

Why do I care? I believe that people choose their own hell, and if her parents want to spend their day in the hell of believing that she will come back, that is their decision. But the fact is, she did not wish to be kept alive this way. Her husband, who is her legal guardian and has been upheld to be so by the courts numerous times, says this is not her wish. He is simply trying to carry out her final wish, while her parents who have no grounds to argue otherwise try to thwart her wishes. They are not helping her, they are prolonging her death. They should be ashamed.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
59. I'm another "leftist retard" right along with you...great post.
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 02:26 PM by barb162
By the way, Al Sharpton spoke out yesterday against the removal of the feeding tube without clear and compelling evidence.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:41 AM
Response to Original message
7. Gross. What an opportunist.
You know him and Nader are in the same camp. Irrelevant and becoming parodies of themselves.

Hang it up boys. The cult of personality has forsaken you both.
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #7
13. I Don't Agree With Jackson/Nader Comments Posted
I don't agree with Jesse Jackson's and Ralph Nader's statements posted above. However, we shouldn't endorse the DLC slams against them.

Here's what Ralph Nader said on CNN's Crossfire regarding the Schiavo case. And his comments were not bad at all.

Here are some excerpts from that transcript:

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NOVAK: Who should decide whether Terri Schiavo will have a feeding tube or be sentenced to death by starvation?

Joining us today to debate that issue, Congressman Chris Van Hollen, Democrat of Maryland, and Congressman David Dreier, Republican of California, the powerful chairman of the powerful House Rules Committee.

DREIER: Chris, I totally concur with your initial assertion, that we should not be the ones to decide.

We are not trying to be the ones to decide. What we did in the middle of the night was not decide. All we did was say that there should in fact be, in federal court, an opportunity for these parent, who seem to get a smile on her face and an enthusiastic look in her eye when they go into that room, we just want to create an opportunity for a federal court to make that determination as to whether...

NADER: Let me interject. Let me interject here. Taking off from what you said, Congressman Dreier, are you prepared to do one of two things? Are you prepared to press for legislation every time a similar case to Terri Schiavo comes up? Or are you prepared to press for omnibus legislation that will give all future Terri Schiavos and their family's situation the right to go from state to federal court? In other words, are you going to go ad hoc from now on or omnibus?

DREIER: OK, I'll answer both of your questions.

And let me say, I happen to believe that what we should do is, we should be allowing a federal court in this instance to make a decision. One of the things that we've learned from this, Ralph, is very clear. Every single person should have a living will, so that no one is...

NADER: Wait a minute. You're dodging the question.

DREIER: No, no, I'm not dodging the question. What I'm telling you is that I want to create a scenario where it's not going to be necessary, Ralph.

NADER: Let me finish here. What are you going to -- answer. What are you going to do in future...

DREIER: Could we tell the audience that they should have a living will?

NADER: Fine. Fine. All, have living wills.

DREIER: Good. OK. Thank you. Thank you.

NADER: What are you going to do -- what are you going to do -- let's -- time is running short, really. Don't filibuster, please. One, if 20 more Terri Schiavos comes, same situation, are you willing to pass 20 more bills to give them...

DREIER: I hope that we don't have to. The answer is, I hope we don't have to.

NADER: That's not -- I'm asking, yes or no?

DREIER: The answer is, no, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that, OK? NADER: All right. So, this is a single case, right?

NADER: All right. Now, would you pass omnibus legislation to let people go from state to federal court?

DREIER: We have a very unique situation here. We have a very unique situation, the likes of which we've never seen before.

VAN HOLLEN: This is not a -- this is not a unique situation. Families across America struggle with these kind of decisions every day. Why should...

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

DREIER: Of course they do.

VAN HOLLEN: And who -- no. And who are -- who are 535 people, who know nothing about the facts of the case, who..

DREIER: To simply say it should be heard in court. We're not making the decision, Chris.

VAN HOLLEN: No, to over -- to overrule the decision properly made.

DREIER: We're not overruling anything. We're not overruling anything. We're simply saying -- we're simply saying the parents should have an opportunity...

VAN HOLLEN: This is jumping in, in one case, when -- when we should not be jumping in like this in a private matter.

NADER: Congressman Dreier, Republican speeches yesterday on the House floor were full of compassion for human life.

Americans almost never hear such Republican words on behalf of hundreds of thousands wrongfully injured patients in hospitals, workers killed or disabled through on-the-job hazards.

(APPLAUSE)

NADER: Or other people -- or other people or other...
Wait. No -- or other people other suffering -- suffering from the violence of toxic pollutants or raw poverty every year.

Here's the question. Are we witnessing the beginning, perhaps, of a Terri Schiavo-induced epiphany by the corporate-controlled Republican Party in Congress to recognize some key priorities for regulatory law and order to stop these preventable losses of life and health in America?

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

DREIER: That's a great question, Ralph.

Let me say that I totally disagree with your characterization. I will tell that you Republicans are very concerned about people who face challenges in every single walk of life. And we have evidence that we can point to. I mean, we disagree with your conclusion that, somehow, we want to plunder the environment, we want to jeopardize the lives of people.

NADER: So you're going to push for a stronger OSHA and EPA?

DREIER: We're -- we are -- we're strongly supporting of doing everything that we can to improve our environmental quality and the standard of living for people in this country.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/21/cf.01.ht ...





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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:42 PM
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62. I wish I would have seen this. Nader seemed to have Dreier
by the short hairs. All I have seen with the Republicans is consistent voting against strengthening OSHA, EPA, etc.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:51 AM
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10. He's NOT allowed for VISIT LOL
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:03 AM
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12. Wonder why Rev. Jackson doesnt
visit the other million+ plus families in America who make these decisions every year?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:10 AM
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15. I'll be suspicious of anything Jackson supports in the future
Jackson is antithetical to me from this point forward.
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:19 AM
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19. Will You Hold Other Politicians To The Same "Ethical" Standards?
And do you intend to follow the same course in relationship to all of the Democrats who voted for the Congressional resolution?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:21 AM
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22. Yes, I do
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 11:23 AM by Walt Starr
Privacy above party loyalty, and this issue is 100% about privacy.

Jesse Jackson has now come down as an opponent of privacy.
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:11 PM
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44. That's A Good Trait
I admire you for your consistency. That is a good trait. I hate it when people have double standards.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:14 AM
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17. Jesse deserves respect.
He has done as much for progressive politics as anyone on DU. It would be rather childish to think that he is obligated to hold the same opinions on every issue as we might. I disagree with his stance on the Schiavo case, but I respect his right to his opinion, and I respect the wonderul work that he has done over the years.
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:20 AM
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20. I Agree
eom
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:47 PM
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64. second that; the man haas done great things for voting rights and
civil rights, has fought poverty, racism, etc, all his life.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:20 AM
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21. I agree...
It's sad that some here have called him a anti-semite and homophobe because he has taken the position he has on Terri Schiavo...





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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:13 PM
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57. Let's not confuscate here. He has been called an anti-semite
and homophobe because of outrageous public statements he has made in the past.

I liked him once, and even helped on his bid for the presidency, but I gave up on making excuses for him long ago.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:30 PM
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61. Jesse is certainly
human and prone to making mistakes. But no one needs to make excuses for him, especially not on an issue such as the Schiavo case. As with all people who play significant roles in our culture, he is not perfect. But that doesn't outweigh the important things Jesse has done for America.

People can have a wide variety of opinions, based upon their own beliefs, on complicated issues involving life and death. I say this as a person who is dealing with a case that involves these complexe
issues. In my extended family, different people have a wide range of opinions, including some that I think are simply wrong. Yet I can not possibly hope for agreement or resolution if I am focused on bringing up things they said or did that offended me 20 years ago. And it's the same thing with Jesse.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:57 PM
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66. Jesse Jackson Apologized
And Jewish folks who were most offended by his statements accepted his apology and moved on...

I question the agenda of folks who want to break up this alliance.....

He's for civil unions not gay marriage.... That's the defacto position of the Democratic party...


I disagree with it...


Jesse Jackson is a Reverend.. His sensitivities on this issue might be different but there is no record of him EVER engaging in anti homosexual bigotry... He is a useful bridge to black folks, many of whom are social conservatives..

I question the timing of resurrecting these old charges...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:41 PM
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69. I agree.
I think it is shallow for people to expect that everyone is going to be in full agreement on every issue. There is no single correct opinion on the issues involved in this Shiavo case. The democratic party would do well to be able to respect people's differences of opinions.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:22 AM
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24. jesse and randall terry embracing....great, just great
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:27 AM
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25. Opportunistic Shite
Jesse is nuts to get involved in this cluster fuck.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:31 AM
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28. randall terry is an evil man...
The Schindler's greatest mistake in the time of pain was to reach out or let clowns like him insinuate themselves into their predicament...

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:30 AM
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27. I respect Jesse Jackson but he is disappointing
in this public display he is currently perpetrating. He is exacerbating the debacle that is already occuring. Why could he not just visit her and speak to the family privately. If asked by the voracious media to speak publically, why not just say he respects the right of privacy of all concerned and leave it at that?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:54 PM
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37. Jesse is a mostly good guy with a few significant lapses.
My greatest disappointment with him is that he is actually free to speak his mind and these are the things he comes up with.

I expect politicians to be somewhat hindered.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:33 AM
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30. you know it's a full blown circus when Jesse brings his act to town
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 11:33 AM by notadmblnd
I heard him say on CNN (just before the little monkey showed up in the Rose Garden) that Terri was being dehydrated and starved to death and it was immoral and wrong. That man will do and say anything to get in the spotlight. Telling shinlders that he is making calls to the Senate and trying to get them to do something.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:40 AM
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32. Mixed Emotions
The first one is to say "there goes Jesse chasing the cameras again". Having seen his antics for over 30 years, but I've also seen his grandstanding have some positive results. Right now, I'm not sure we know completely what's going on here.

I'm extremely cynical of things the Schindlers do...especially Bobby, who appears to be driving what the family does here...and is the opportunist. But I suspect he's feeling a lot of heat and trying to find a way out. He getting political pressure from on high...to temper the emotions and see if there's a way out. Enter Jesse Jackson.

Using the faith angle...and Jesse's been pro-life (he's not burning down clinics, but he's always favored abstinance over all other methods ) The poster above mentions the problem of state mandated pulling of the plug (like what happened in Texas to a black baby) and I think this plays into Jesse's game as well. And gives him a unique situation. He can play an honest broker...enter Jesse the Diplomat.

I suspect his being contacted was done through political channels and involves both sides...a way to "mediate" a soft landing in the last hours, rachet down the rhetoric through the funeral and autopsy and allow the politicans to scurry far, far away from this dog issue.

Just random thoughts...always interested in seeing others...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:50 AM
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33. I Tend To Agree....
He has always been pro life.... Anti abortion, anti capital punishment, and anti war...

I think he got involved for the simple fact that he sees the case of Terri Schiavo as a continuation of that struggle....

He as Dr. King have been informed by their Christian religion and acts on it...


Is he flawed?


Yeah, we all know about the infamous "hymeytown remark", the illegitimate child, the pride that rushes him to the camera but that pails in the face all the good he has done with his tireless advocacy for human rights...
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:00 PM
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34. Always A Rush To Judgement
Being Jewish, I was initially offended by the Hiametown remark (1984), but understood the context and his subsequent appology. I didn't support him that year, I supported Gary Hart.

I look at Jesse's overall record on the key issues of civil rights, class struggle, health care, education and the key national progressive issues and support his work and struggle. I also respect his deep faith and his right to say and express it. He does so in a very temperate manner...using it to reason, not to bash or moralize. Isn't this what a spiritual advisor is supposed to do?

He's one of the few people in the public eye who can cross the large political mess that's out there and find a thread of common ground and civility that could finally bring this media circus to an end.

The Schindlers know the outcome here. They can't live in their parallel universe any longer and this is a way for them to slip into the shadows and start the true grieving they need to do. First, for their daughter...then for the destroyed family that this ordeal created. I'm hoping someday all will come together and find their own peace. Maybe this is a first step.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:35 PM
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71. Excellent post. (eom)
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:30 PM
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46. Videos - CNN: Jackson at Hospice; Man is tasered
Video - CNN: Jesse Jackson at hospice supporting Schindler family - 3/29



Video in Real Media format (7 minutes)


Video - CNN: Man runs for hospice and is tasered by police - 3/29

As attention is focused on Jesse Jackson, a man makes a break for the hospice and makes it to the front door. He is eventually tasered and wrestled to the ground by police.



Video in Real Media format (3 minutes)


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:31 PM
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47. Cool Avatar...
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:35 PM
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48. Smart move. Jackson registers a "flea vote" for the Democrats. No harm
done. It thwarts the lies about Democrats being "gleeful" about Terri's plug being pulled.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:46 PM
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50. Jesse Jackson: "an injustice" "This is about civil rights."
...

Jackson's arrival Tuesday was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights."

"I feel so passionate about this injustice being done, how unnecessary it is to deny her a feeding tube, water, not even ice to be used for her parched lips," said Jackson, who has run for president as a Democrat. "This is a moral issue and it transcends politics and family disputes."

"I wanted the Reverend Jackson here for moral support," said Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother. "I feel good with him here. Very strong. He gives me strength."

University of South Florida political science professor Susan MacManus said Jackson's appearance shows that the life-and-death issues surrounding their daughter resonate beyond white, Christian conservatives.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5318509.html

Go Jesse. You're a great man but I expected no less from Martin Luther King's aide.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:49 PM
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52. I Suspect If Dr. King Was Alive He Would Have Been There Too
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:18 PM
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58. Me too. And the stand of the Cong. Black Caucus indicates as much. n/t
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 02:43 PM by Tinoire
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:27 PM
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60. He Also Said A Just Law Is One That Comports With Moral Law
eom
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:44 PM
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63. Yes... and more quotes
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 02:44 PM by Tinoire
(had these in the last post but damn, left n/t on the subject line so reposting)

The 180 turn of the last 5 years- siding with the Florida Courts of Bush over Gore and against the CBC is too ironic for words.

It's time to re-read King.

"The question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be."

....

"Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress."

....

"We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people."

....

"The means by which we live have outdistanced the ends for which we live. Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."

....

"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."


Martin Luther King Jr.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:50 PM
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65. I think so too. He had cajones; he would have been there
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:46 PM
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73. I agree.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:17 PM
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75. were
my bad
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:49 PM
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51. Jesse Jackson: Calling on Senators to Reinsert the feeding tube

Pinellas Park, Florida - The parents of Terri Schiavo demonstrated today that their support for reinserting their brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube extends beyond the religious right.

The Reverend Jesse Jackson says he would call state senators who opposed legislation that would have reinserted Schiavo's feeding tube and ask them to reconsider. Terri Schiavo’s mother Mary Schindler says she wanted the Reverend Jackson there for moral support.

...

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=12858
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:51 PM
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53. When did he ever say anything about this issue before?
Will Jesse Jackson, like Jerry Brown, find a second career as a stooge for Fox News, and the rest of their ilk. They certainly love Jesse today, giving him lots of positive coverage. Does he have a book coming out soon? And all this a day after the right wing media was bashing him for talking with, and supporting Michael Jackson on his radio show. :eyes:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:08 PM
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56. He's been consistent in his stances
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 02:43 PM by Tinoire
Anti-war, not just anti "this" war, anti-injustice, not just anti-"this" injustice, from the very beginning. A great civil rights activist unlike the "ilk" that led us to this war and supported it either with their complicit silence or revolting nuances.

:wow: Let the show begin! Will the Democratic Party burn its prophets because we can't accept that people see things differently (after all, you must be a real retard not to think that Terri is a lifeless, unfeeling, shell) or that justice may not have been served in this case?

From Lieberman to Jackson, the ones with the strongest ACLU ratings are seeing eye-to-eye on this. Which one shall we burn first? From which end will we start burning?

While we're at it, we need to burn down the Congressional Black Caucus also for they too are acting like Leftist Retards too dull to understand that all the overnight neurologists here can see plain as mud.

Lol. Trash them all.

What a sad, sad day for us.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #56
67. How correct you are....
the next famous Democrat, no matter what their record, will probably be trashed and/or dismissed as an enemy and/or dismissed as a RW fundie, if that person speaks out against the removal of the feeding tube. Vitriol is oozing out of the keyboards, I don't know where this is going.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:03 PM
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68. right after they removed the tube on 3/18 I heard Jackson
speaking against it (removal of the tube based on hearsay evidence).
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