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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:58 PM
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The world will be a better place without Jerry Falwell in it.
That, I would argue, is simply a statement of fact.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:59 PM
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1. No argument from me -
n/t
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:59 PM
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2. Amen to that! n/t
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:59 PM
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3. and safer
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:01 PM
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4. His family is part of "the world."
They'd probably disagree.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:04 PM
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6. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
The man is a disgusting pig, and while I won't exactly gloat over his death, I'll not have an ounce of sympathy when he finally expires.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:51 PM
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21. Sucks to be them, I guess. If they're fine with who and what Falwell is...
... then I'm fine with them feeling whatever discomfort they may be experiencing now. Just a cold hard reality.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:17 AM
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23. So would the family of most monsters
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:01 PM
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5. Son?
He has a son. Is he involved in the same ministries? Be careful. Sometimes the twig is worse than the tree. Um, shrub/bush. Never mind.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:07 PM
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10. You mean the Rev. Jonathan Falwell?
Here's a little quote from him in regards to his father having to apologize once for being an ass.

"Satan has launched a hail of fiery darts at dad. Liberals, and especially gay activists, have launched a vicious smear campaign to discredit him."

Sounds like he's fair and balanced. :eyes:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:04 PM
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7. Like with all crazy people, there will be someone crazier to replace him.
Look at GHWB's replacement.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:11 PM
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12. Like the Hydra
He'll be replaced by 2 even loonier wing nuts. Looks like Randall Terry is being groomed as a replacement.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:02 PM
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18. yep, no time for dancing on graves...
falwells are like copperhead snakes, get rid of one, you make room for another. There'll be another hatemonger along to carry the torch.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:05 PM
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8. that's just GREAT...
now you've gone and done it -- given wingnuts ammo to make us look bad -- and just as we were on the verge of a breakthrough and they were about to say nice things about us.




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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:06 PM
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9. Hmmmmmmm
I'm trying to think of an argument against your line of reasoning.

I got nothing.

:shrug:
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:10 PM
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11. Its a dilema for me
On the one hand he is a human. And I believe that every human has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

But on the other hand I am personally very aware of the hatred this man has generated. I am going to post a long series of quotes of his not to defend the notion of rejoicing he is gone. But rather to show what it is he and his followers actually believe and exactly what it is we have to refute and challenge.

These quotes are taken from www.positiveatheism.com. They maintain a list of scary quotes some have said in the name of religion. Jerry has his own page.

If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

This is probably as bad a day as the court has had on social issues since "Roe v. Wade."
-- Jerry Falwell, reacting to the Supreme Court's ruling in the Texas sodomy case, "Lawrence v. Texas," wherein the high court upheld an individual's (or a couple's) right to privacy; "It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter," said Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, for the majority in an opinion "as broad in its constitutional vision as any ever issued by the court," wrote Charles Lane for The Washington Post; in his dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia, an extremist Evangelical Christian, complained that the justices voting to uphold the right to privacy were creating a new constitutional right, that they were not upholding the Constitution, quoted from "Planned Parenthood Federal Action Report" (July, 2003) ††

I had a student ask me, "Could the savior you believe in save Osama bin Laden?" Of course, we know the blood of Jesus Christ can save him, and then he must be executed.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, citen in Cary McMullen, "Falwell: Now Is the Time for Gospel," in the Lakeland (Florida) Ledger (November 12, 2001), quoted from Randy Cassingham, This is True (18 November 2001). Falwell added: "We visit prisoners on death row, and some of them are saved, but we believe their sentences should be carried out because they have a debt to society."

God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev. Pat Robertson agreed, quoted from John F. Harris, "God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev. Pat Robertson again agreed, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)

And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F. Harris, "God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

I sincerely believe that the collective efforts of many secularists during the past generation, resulting in the expulsion from our schools and from the public square, has left us vulnerable.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, after the 700 Club broadcast wherein he had blamed civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, speaking to The New York Times, quoted from Dick Meyer, "Holy Smoke," CBS News (September 15, 2001)

I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist, secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture ... the result is not good.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, backpedaling amidst criticism of his statement blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F. Harris, "God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time -- calling upon God.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, justifying the breech of Constitutional Separation of Religion from Government while blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev. Pat Robertson again agreed, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)

I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved, 1979 pp. 52-53, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.
-- Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, Sermon, July 4, 1976

If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress.
I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!
-- Jerry Falwell, "Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening.
-- Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

There is no separation of church and state. Modern U.S. Supreme Courts have raped the Constitution and raped the Christian faith and raped the churches by misinterpreting what the Founders had in mind in the First Amendment to the Constitution.
-- Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible,without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.
-- Jerry Falwell, Finding Inner Peace and Strength

But these things speak evil of those things, verse 10 which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Look at the Metropolitan Community Church today, the gay church, almost accepted into the World Council of Churches. Almost, the vote was against them. But they will try again and again until they get in, and the tragedy is that they would get one vote. Because they are spoken of here in Jude as being brute beasts, that is going to the baser lust of the flesh to live immorally, and so Jude describes this as apostasy. But thank God this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there'll be a celebration in heaven.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, "Old Time Gospel Hour" broadcast, March 11, 1984, quoted by Rev. Jerry Sloan, "Is Jerry Falwell a liar?" Freedom Writer, September, 1994

The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.
-- Jerry Falwell, Listen, America!

Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.
-- Jerry Falwell, on CNN's Crossfire, May 17, 1997

I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc., are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, USA Today Chat, quoted from The Religious Freedom Coalition, "The Two faces of Jerry Falwell"

Dan Moldea, the lead investigator for Larry Flynt's ongoing quest to uncover sexual indiscretions of Republican congressional members, has now admitted he was hired by the law firm defending President Clinton.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, from "The Bizarre Flynt-Clinton Connection," in the January 15, 1999, "Falwell Confidential" fax report to 162,000 members, referring to the firm Williams & Connolly. Dan Moldea responded, "This entire statement is false and misleading, reckless and malicious. It is a complete fabrication." However, the San Diego Union-Tribune picked up the fabrication and ran it as fact. Quoted from The Religious Freedom Coalition, "The Two faces of Jerry Falwell."

We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism ... we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today ... our battle is with Satan himself.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)


The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

You'll be riding along in an automobile. You'll be the driver perhaps. You're a Christian. There'll be several people in the automobile with you, maybe someone who is not a Christian. When the trumpet sounds you and the other born-again believers in that automobile will be instantly caught away - you will disappear, leaving behind only your clothes and physical things that cannot inherit eternal life. That unsaved person or persons in the automobile will suddenly be startled to find the car suddenly somewhere crashes.... Other cars on the highway driven by believers will suddenly be out of control and stark pandemonium will occur on ... every highway in the world where Christians are caught away from the drivers wheel.
-- Jerry Falwell, in his pamphlet, "Nuclear War and the Second Coming of Christ," quoted from Ronnie Dugger,"Does Reagan Expect a Nuclear Armageddon?" in Washington Post Outlook (April 8, 1984)

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:23 PM
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13. By their words...
Ye shall know them.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:35 PM
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15. Amen.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:23 PM
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14. Abso-Fucking-Lutely
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:36 PM
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16. I know you're right but....
....Jerry has a University where he's training future Jerry Falwells. I'm fearful with him gone there will be 10 more filling his shoes and they could be even worse!!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:39 PM
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17. and I'm sure the world doesn't need my comments either
so I'll keep them to myself until he gets better or passes on.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:04 PM
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19. I don't agree. We don't have a person to waste.
Also said by Bill Clinton in the early 90's.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:49 PM
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20. Fortunately, your post asking us to pray for Falwell....
... has been deleted entirely. It wasn't helping to make the case for liberalism at all, in my view.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:16 AM
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22. That's Not The Only Thing That's Been Deleted Entirely.
:applause:
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:24 AM
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24. It's tacky to dance on graves, though.
It's just plain bad manners!

However, I do plan a big grave-dancing party for whenever Fred Phelps buys the farm.
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