Ok people who suddenly dislike Jesse Jackson

[Bluzmann57]

First of all, I want to say that I haven't had any use for him since he tried to get some young criminals reinstated after they were rightfully expelled from a school in Decatur, IL. This post is not about that however. It seems that many in here are now hateful toward Jesse Jackson because he publicly said that Terri Schiavo should be hooked back up to her feeding tube. That is his opinion, he is a reverend after all. Now the hypothetical question I have is, if Jimmy Carter came out and said the same thing, would you all dislike him for that reason? After all, Carter is a deeply religious man and just may believe that Mrs. Schiavo should stay hooked up too.
It is my belief that J. Jackson just wants to get his face on TV again, as it's been a while for the reverend. So there is no sense in getting all excited about him stating his beliefs. Just because they may not match yours is no reason to hate him. As far as the Carter question, I genuinely want to know people's opinions on this. Fair is fair, after all. And I'm trying to learn a few things here, such as people's mindsets against religion and religious people. Real religious people, not rigid fundies who are intolerant of things that don't match their world view.

[evil_orange_cat]

1. I've always thought JJ was a tool...

as for Carter? I wouldn't bash him or anything, just disagree.

[Mugweed]

5. I'll bash them all

Stay the hell out of a personal family situation that has already been decided by the courts 22 times before. I don't care who you are or what you've done before, go before the cameras and utter one opinion and my response is "Shut the fuck up, asshole. I don't care which side you're on."

[evil_orange_cat]

24. good point!

but Carter is a nice man, I'd just feel bad about it...

[Teaser]

2. I haven't liked Jackson in years.

This just confirms my opinion of him. But it's possible he's being sincere, and if so, well then he's sincerely wrong.

As for your Carter hypothetical, I'd just chalk him up to being wrong. My opinion of the man wouldn't be effected. People are entitled to be wrong once in a while.

[atreides1]

3. I've never liked him

He makes me think of some kind of smarmy salesman whenever he talks, and I think his ego is almost as wide as the Grand Canyon.

To me the man is a legend in his own mind.

[slackmaster]

4. I've always he had a streak of demagoguery in him

It seems that many in here are now hateful toward Jesse Jackson because he publicly said that Terri Schiavo should be hooked back up to her feeding tube.

That's his personal opinion, and I generally have no problem with anyone simply because their opinion differs from mine. I judge people mainly by how they treat others.

[Hobarticus]

6. I find the Reverend's timing peculiar, to say the least...

Attending doctors just said Terri's past the point of no return; her kidneys are failing and she's fading.

All of a sudden he shows up and wants her tube re-inserted? Come on. He's had plenty of time to get involved, if his heart was in it. I think he did this now to save face on both sides of the fence.

No word if he's offered any support to Michael, either.

I don't hate him, but like yourself, I'm just disappointed to see him whoring himself to get in front of a camera.

[H2O Man]

7. He rode in a stretch limo!

what else needs to be said?

[seabeyond]

8. he is a christian leader, this is what christian leaders do

he is not a politician, he is not stomping on the constitution. he is not going against state law. that isnt his job. his is the interpretation of the bible, and in his interpretation he thinks this is wrong, and he feels a responsibility to speak up, his job

he is not a politician and should not be held to that

[FreedomAngel82]

39. So why now?

Why just now is he getting involved? Where was he at the very beginning of this if he cared so much? I find it all a big show.

[seabeyond]

47. i dont know. i cant assume....................n/t

[unsavedtrash]

9. never liked the guy

He has always rode the backs of actual civil rights leaders. Everything he does seems to be for personal gain or for as much time in the spotlight as possible. Yuck :puke:

[Tomee450]

18. Absolute nonsense.

Jesse Jackson has always been out front demanding justice for those who are mistreated. He has fought for both blacks and whites. People hate Jesse because he fights for civil rights and for this reason they always seize any opportunity to bash him. I don't believe those who say they used to like him;I doubt they ever did. What reason would they now have to hate him? Jesse has always been a supporter of civil rights and that's why so many people hate him. He is also unafraid to express his opinion and to say things that other would rather have remain unsaid. All this Jesse bashing is disgusting. He was asked to come to Florida by Terri's parents. He did not volunteer. He is a minister, doing exactly what most ministers do, administer to the sick,the dieing and give comfort to the grieving. He is doing exactly what he should be doing.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. He could have told her no

He could've told her no and he wasn't going to be used. If all parties involved wanted him to come (including the husband) then that would be nice. Is he going to conduct the funeral?? I'm just curious.

[pelagius]

10. I think Jackson is no better and no worse than...

...the other national figures who have latched onto this case.

Jackson has had a number of problems over the years that have caused me to dismiss him as an effective leader on either moral or political issues.

[Career Prole]

11. "That is his opinion, he is a reverend after all."

Reverend doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he's an ayatollah or a bishop. This is not a religious matter.

It is the opinion of the courts that the wishes of Mr. and Mrs. Schiavo be carried out.
We are a nation of laws. It's just as simple as that.

The courts have come down on the side of Michael Schiavo time after time after time. What side Jesse Jackson lands on doesn't matter.
Jimmy Carter can play the God card and it will cost him points too.

Jesse Jackson wanted to be President once. He just ruled himself out of running for any office as anything but a repuke, AFAIC.

[Tomee450]

21. That's your opinion

that it's not a religious matter. For me, and many other Christians, it is a religious matter also. I believe in the sanctity of life and in the power of prayer. If I was seriously ill, one of the first persons I'd want at my side would be a minister. I would want people to pray for me since I believe in prayer. I can't understand the need for so many here to discard the beliefs of Christians. Jesse Jackson is doing nothing wrong. He is doing what a minister should do.

[Career Prole]

25. The government of this country

is NOT A RELIGIOUS MATTER!
Yes, I did yell.
:banghead:

[FreedomAngel82]

42. You should also

believe in the sanctaty of marriage. I'm Christian Tomee450 (I don't care if you don't believe me) and I think he should butt out. Follow the law. It's not anybody's place except for Mr. Schavio to make it. You can pray all you want but LET HIM DECIDE AND BUTT OUT!

[applegrove]

12. I have always loved JJ. I don't want to see him targeted by Rove for

'turning' like Al Sharpton has been. But then again.. JJ does not represent New York so much.. Perhaps only leaders of New York City & the tri-state area are the current Rove targets for 'flipping'.

[Radical Activist]

13. Carter is white, so its ok for him to be on TV.

Honestly, I don't see the reasoning behind the double standard. Every political leader in America tries to get media coverage. Why is it ok for others to do that, but not Jackson? None of the Jackson haters have answered that.

[Runcible Spoon]

15. I'm sick of EVERY politician getting her/his nose into the Schiavo debacle

for media exposure. I am also sick of religious types, left and rigth, coopting this unfortunate woman's life to stick THEIR asses into the mix. I hate teh way MSM and politicians have pitted science vs. faith, and made this circus the symbolic centerpiece. It's divisive, morbid, and low. If this is seen as Carter and Jackson bashing, so be it. I just wish that we could get God out of politics, and get politicians out of the Schiavo debate. The only thing that has come out of this positively is now we have the right eating its own over the use of state powers fofr intervention in court cases.

[Radical Activist]

30. you're the exception.

I never saw other Democrats bashed for speaking out on this until Jesse Jackson came along.

[FreedomAngel82]

43. I would bash anybody

whether it be Tom DeLay to Jesse Jackson who butts in a PRIVATE PERSONAL AFFAIR. What is so hard about that?! :crazy:

[Floogeldy]

14. "It is my belief that J. Jackson just wants to get his face on TV again."

You've been listening to Limbaugh too long.

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[Biased Liberal Media]

16. I never liked him, couldn't stand his politics period

I agree with others, he's a media whore.

[sendero]

17. I think JJ...

... is a great thinker and orator. But over the years I find his actions less and less to my liking.

I don't "hate" him, and frankly folks who "turn" on someone over a single statement or action are immature at best and stupid at worst.

But Jackson has been taking some dubious positions and has been caught in too many questionable actions - I'm not as impressed with him as I used to be.

[BikeWriter]

19. Jesse Jackson has never been anything but a grand stander.

Everything he does is to benefit Jesse Jackson.

[Malva Zebrina]

20. Not all "reverands" have thought the same--some actually did look at facts

and some actually do consider the deeper issue of keeping this issue as one that is private and belongs to the family, in this case, Michael Schiavo, whose legal position is unassailable after many many court decisions. Many reverands have NOT gone down to Florida to get on camera. Because he is a "reverand" does not mean that would excuse his posturing before cameras and obvious desire to get onto the pages of newspapers. It also does NOT mean, because he is a reverand, that his views are correct, based on reasoning and fact and are at all well thought out.

This is just pathetic.

[Tomee450]

31. So you blame Jesse Jackson

for acceding to the request of the Schindler family? He, a minister should just ignore a call from the family of a dying daughter? No minister would do that. Jesse does what is requesting and you blame him for the media coverage? Did he demand that he be covered? Seeing so much Jesse bashing on a progressive website is most disheartening.

[Malva Zebrina]

37. and the family "called" him? For what?

come on--the family is Catholic and staunch black and white Catholics by all the accounts I have read. They do NOT seek counsel or comfort from Protestant ministers. If they indeed did "call" upon him for their comfort, they were slapping their own priests and their own religion right in the face. If they did call upon him, I think it was done for motives other than to comfort them. If he indeed did not recognize that, which I doubt as he seems to be intelligent, and decided to usurp the priests that were already assuming the role of comforter, then he deserves to be criticized.

This was another political ploy by either the Schindlers, or the Rev. Jackson and if you do not think politics is being played here, then I have a nice bridge that I heard was for sale, to sell you.

And I say that seeing so much support for those who defy the law, the Constitution, have spread lies, and who would support the flouting of the law and the Constitution, for the sake of defending religion that has apparently lost it's moral compass, is as equally as depresseing here on DU.

[FreedomAngel82]

45. Why did they want him to come?

Why did he go and get on tv just to pump up what the Schindlers are saying? :eyes:

[AngryLizard]

22. I question his need to jump into the fray now

I also question his jumping into the fray now, just as Democrats were successfully distancing themselves from this melee. As Al Franken put it this morning, "I think that Jesse Jackson is sincerely...in the need of some publicity." Okay?

Jesse Jackson doesn't have the political cache in the party that he had a decade or so. Hopefully the dems can just continue to sit down, shut up, and not be in it.

[Tomee450]

33. Since when

has Al Franken become a mind reader? Jesse Jackson, unlike some, isn't thinking about politics or about polls. Al Franken is doing exactly the opposite. Jackson is thinking about the well being of a fellow human being. I, am tired of African American leaders being attacked by members of the party we support. The same thing was done to Cynthia McKinney by members of the Democratic party.

[AngryLizard]

35. Oh, Come On

I'm African-American, and a member of the Democratic Party, and even I know that the most dangerous place in the world is between Jesse Jackson and a tv camera. All of a sudden he's concerned about Terri Schiavo? Because there aren't enough people, enough ministers, enough people of the faith, of the cloth, not of the cloth,wearing cloth, concerned about Terri Schiavo that Jesse Jackson has to put his two cents in? You think Jesse Jackson goes around to all the hospices in America demanding that PVS patients have their feeding tubes re-inserted? There's 71 other patients in Terri's hospice. You think Jesse asked about any of them?

This has become the worst kind of circus. Jesse showed up to to get ring time.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. So now you're a mind reader?

You know what Jesse Jackson is thinking and Al Franken doesn't? If Jesse Jackson really cared he would be there from the very beginning. He is not being attacked because he is African American. He is being attacked because he is BUTTING INTO A PRIVATE PERSONAL AFFAIR!!!!! NOBODY SHOULD'VE BEEN BUTTING IN THE FIRST PLACE! Good grief! Cynthia McKinney? I'm sorry I wasn't around then but I highly doubt Cynthia McKinney was bashed. She's very much loved around here from what I've seen. Did you not hear the audio on Malloy's show of her grilling Rumsfeld? A little tiny black woman from the deep south made a big "bad" white boy studder and stammer in his knee's. Anybody who bashes her is ridculous.

[geniph]

23. I don't dislike him,

I happen to admire him greatly as a public speaker. However, on this issue, he's entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to point out how ignorant and ill-informed it is.

[Just Me]

26. To me, he is simply evidence of just how large is the Democratic,...

,...umbrella.

Moreover, the man has accomplished great things that no one can take from him. He dedicated his life to civil rights. Just 'cause the man is a human being and imperfect like the rest of us gives me no reason to demonize/diminish/impune him.

[BuyingThyme]

27. This is a private and personal matter.

JJ can think whatever he wants, and he can support whomever he wants.

But, by going public, he just put himself in the same boat as DeLay and Bush.

[UTUSN]

28. Well, OLIELLY Has Been After Him for Years

(This post is an excuse to test run the graphic of Chickenhawk OLIELLY receiving an award from the VFW.)

[ShaneGR]

29. LOL, this is DU!!

Anything, and I do mean anything, that goes against a perceived gang decision on the part of the board, is greeted with jeers/hate speech/ etc.

Basically DU is nothing more than our sides version of FreeRepublic. Aggree with everything, you're loved, disagree with something, F off and die.

[drdon326]

32. Intimidation by Numbers. eom

[Runcible Spoon]

34. blah blah blah.

if that were the case then please explain the constant flamewars over everything from religion to DLC to the environment to feminism to guns....some things DESERVE to be ganged up on, such as sexism, racism, and other outright bigotry. If you perceive that as "jeers/hate speech" then perhaps you would be more comfortable elsewhere. But hey, it's a (mostly) free discussion board.

[applegrove]

36. This is an I Hate Post. Just like the Lieberman ones of two weeks ago.

We either have a big tent or we loose elections.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. I still like Mr. Jackson and he

has done a lot of good for voting rights and has worked with Arnebeck and Cobb with this past election. I still think he's a cool guy. What I'm upset about, like everybody else doing this, is he is butting into a PRIVATE personal family affair. He has no right. If Jimmy Carter did this (which he hasn't I assume) I would feel the same way. NOBODY should be involved in this. That is what I'm upset about. I could care less if he's siding with the rightwingers on this. I'm upset he's butting in when he should butt out. Just like the protestors at the hospice.

[ForrestGump]

41. Jesse's done a lot of good but I also wouldn't entirely trust him or his

motives. Lots of grandstanding that, sure, has probably done a lot of good (though his presence can also backfire in terms of the innate hate many harbor for him and his messages, perceived or real, and his reputation as a mere publicity hound) but the dude's ego seems monumental.

He's a phenomenal speaker, though. I used to attend a lot of black churches, when I lived in the South (didn't matter that I was and am agnostic-or-whatever), and I was privileged to be in the presence of some truly astounding preachers: Jesse Jackson has that gift and can, and has, used it to do a lot of positive things. Or, at least, to give it his best shot. So I guess, overall, I'm ambivalent on old JJ. I doubt his sincereity too often to trust him fully, but he has been out there (largely) fighting the good fight -- motives irrelevant, in that respect -- for a long time now.

This whole turning-on-people thing has been endemic on DU for as long as I've been here. The most fickle behavior seems to involve late-night Tv hosts: "LOL, Jay SKEWERED Bush" and "Grrr...Jay Leno is a scumsucking pig!," and so on...

[katinmn]

44. I still love Jesse. Always will. The same would hold for JC

if he came out in support of the tube, even though I don't share that view.

Are you aware of all the truly nasty crap JJ has taken from the conservatives? He stands by his principles, he stands for the disadvantaged.