Put the feeding tube back into Mrs. Schiavo right now!

[NNN0LHI]

I don't care. Ain't no skin off my nose. How about yours? Let her lay there for another 15 years. Better yet make it 30 more years. 40 years anyone? She don't care or know one way or the other. I don't care. Why should any of us care? I remember my grandmother laying in a hospice. I loved her but she didn't know where she was at. She didn't give a shit where she was at. I am tired of all this crap. Any other questions?

Don

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Too late, they already did.

[JordanTO]

5. When?

I've had the news on, and I hadn't heard.

[NNN0LHI]

6. If they did good. So what? n/t

[Lindacooks]

15. Here's 'so what':

'Dr. Sean Morrison, a professor of palliative medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, said it's hard to predict what would happen if the tube were reinserted because it's highly unusual to do that after life-prolonging treatments have been stopped.

He said that if her kidneys have already shut down, reinserting the tube might prolong her life by just hours or days. However, it could also hasten her death, Morrison said, because it would supply fluids to a body that can no longer get rid of them.

The resulting fluid buildup could essentially drown Schiavo, and she could die gasping and choking, he said.

Morrison said Schiavo would have no awareness of this because of her persistent vegetative state, but reinserting the tube might "transform a peaceful death into one that can be very distressing for families and friends to witness."'

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1...

[NNN0LHI]

17. Sure Mrs. Schiavo could die gasping and choking. Will she know that?

Of course not. So what is the difference? If the parents want to watch their daughter die that way let them live with that for the rest of their miserable lives. It doesn't affect you or me one way or the other. Does it?

Don

[Lindacooks]

21. You know, you seem to have little care for the feelings of your relatives.

It's all about 'I won't know, so who cares??'

[Lone Pawn]

11. Incorrect.

[BlueEyedSon]

16. You're right I misread the LBN post.

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. Got a link? They've just been granted another stupid hearing is all.

All I can say is, "Let your daughter go...for God's sake. Why are they so afraid to let her enter the kingdom of heaven?" sigh...

[Walt Starr]

2. IT'S A HUGE SKIN OFF MY NOSE

It's an invasion of privacy to do so. Fuck that noise.

[trotsky]

3. The extent of our caring

should be letting the person who is legally responsible for her medical decisions (i.e., her husband) make them as he believes Terri wanted.

[Lone Pawn]

4. First, I don't want to set a precident of congressional intervention.

Secondly, I don't want to set a precident of individual-case grandstanding.
Thirdly, my tax money is going to her.
Fourthly, I don't want to set a precident of abuse of the judicial system.

[NNN0LHI]

7. They already intervened. That is a fact. They wrote a new law n/t

[Lone Pawn]

8. But the intervention was unsuccessful.

Precedents are rarely set by failure.

[Walt Starr]

9. And forcing that bullshit law to fail proves it was a bullshit law

Besides, if you put the tube in now, you'll have to do dialysis and probably will have to put her on a respirator in a few weeks and tons of other shit that is completely useless

[TheFarseer]

19. I'm a bit confused

I agree with you in principle but why would they have to put her on a respirator and dialysis suddenly after 15 years without?

[Willy Lee]

10. 100%.

This ain't about Terri and what everyone *thinks* is right for her. It's about who gets to decide in these situations. The courst have so far backed up THE LAW that her husband has the right to make this decision. Fuck Congress if they think it is THEIR place to step into MY life and tell me what to do.

[seabeyond]

12. and when it happens to you

who the fuck cares if you dont want to give all your family money to hospice adn medical, who the fuck cares if you dont want to be there anyway, who the fuck cares............

i care

[delete_bush]

14. No questions, I don't care either,

To me, it's no different than Bob falling into a rock crusher and being reduced to nothing more than a finger. Bob's finger is rushed to a hospital, where it is hooked up to a machine and kept "alive". From time to time, while people are visiting, Bob’s finger wiggles, leaving the visitor with the notion that Bob is alive and trying to communicate.

The only relatives are a Republican brother and a Democratic sister. The brother wants to keep Bob on the machine, the sister does not.

I say give the brother the finger.

[TheFarseer]

18. it's all good til they're making life and death decisions

for your family.

[Tansy_Gold]

20. Michael Schiavo is fighting for what he believes in and I think we

should honor him for that.

I know there are some who think Michael is wrong to want to let Terri die, and he should just walk away from her, leave her to her parents, and get on with his life.

But I see in Michael Schiavo something I think a lot of us have been looking for in our own sadly lacking Dem leaders -- someone who stands by his convictions.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- When Bob and Mary Schindler gave Terri in marriage to Michael, they relinquished their legal claims to tell her what to do and to make decisions for her. As an adult, Terri put her life quite literally in Michael's hands, and he did the same.

Those of us who are parents know that the emotional bond remains no matter how old our children are. But we also must learn that our children grow up and leave us and enter into relationships that effectively severe the parental rights.

Yes, it would be easy, I suppose, for Michael to say fuck it all, take her back, do whatever you want with her. Hook her up to machines, sit her in the rocking chair, I don't give a damn.

Or maybe it's not so easy, and I think that's what some of us might be overlooking. Terri is as much a part of Michael's life as she is of her parents. He has fought for her rights as much as they, and he has not had the backing of outside agitators. Who among us would have had the courage to stand up to the courts, the Congress, the (p)resident, the media, the hate-mongers, and the fundie whack jobs year after year after year?

Michael seems to be standing up for the whole reality-based, science-based, rational-based world in the face of enormous faith-based pressure. I say, good on him, and I hope he ultimately prevails. We need more like him.


Tansy Gold

[footinmouth]

22. Tansy, thank you for such an eloquent post

I'm with you on everything you've said here. Since all of this broke, my husband and I have had numerous discussions on this. My medical decision boils down to this: after 33 years, I trust him with my life, I trust him to do what's best for me. I don't want to spell it all out in writing, In matters so important as death, why can't we have a gray area?

After the medical incident, hook me up, do your best, try to fix me. But after a reasonable amount of time, when there is no hope, please just let me go. Please get on with your life.

If my husband is fortunate enough to find some comfort from someone else (while he is still looking after my care) I still trust him to do right by me. My faith and trust in him is that strong.

I'm afraid that with Congress poking their nose into this matter, I might no be able to see my wishes carried out as I've stated above. This case is not about me, it's about Mrs. Shiavo, but Congress just made it about me.