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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:21 AM
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The Family of Evil
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 09:20 AM by Meldread
I was reading DailyKos and someone wrote a comment and posted this link:

http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html

Here is a list, from the website, of people who are most likely involved with these people:

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The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries.
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And here are some organizations they may have operated under:

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The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.”
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Here is an excerpt, giving you just a taste of what you will read:

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He walked to the National Geographic map of the world mounted on the wall. “You guys know about Genghis Khan?” he asked. “Genghis was a man with a vision. He conquered”—David stood on the couch under the map, tracing, with his hand, half the northern hemisphere—“nearly everything. He devastated nearly everything. His enemies? He beheaded them.” David swiped a finger across his throat. “Dop, dop, dop, dop.”

David explained that when Genghis entered a defeated city he would call in the local headman and have him stuffed into a crate. Over the crate would be spread a tablecloth, and on the tablecloth would be spread a wonderful meal. “And then, while the man suffocated, Genghis ate, and he didn't even hear the man's screams.” David still stood on the couch, a finger in the air. “Do you know what that means?” He was thinking of Christ's parable of the wineskins. “You can't pour new into old,” David said, returning to his chair. “We elect our leaders. Jesus elects his.”

He reached over and squeezed the arm of a brother. “Isn't that great?” David said. “That's the way everything in life happens. If you're a person known to be around Jesus, you can go and do anything. And that's who you guys are. When you leave here, you're not only going to know the value of Jesus, you're going to know the people who rule the world. It's about vision. 'Get your vision straight, then relate.' Talk to the people who rule the world, and help them obey. Obey Him. If I obey Him myself, I help others do the same. You know why? Because I become a warning. We become a warning. We warn everybody that the future king is coming. Not just of this country or that, but of the world.” Then he pointed at the map, toward the Khan's vast, reclaimable empire.
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(Bold Emphasis is mine.)

So, does anyone know anything about these people? How much power do they *REALLY* have? Are they even that much of a threat? They are pretty crazy, that's obvious to anyone with a lick of sense in their head, but... I just want everyone else's take on this. If they are a danger we need to shine some light on them. They sound like a bunch of Hitler wannabes.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:05 AM
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1. Bump.
:kick:

No one? I know it's long, but does anyone have an opinion on this? Anyone know more?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:07 AM
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2. Jesus Khan?
KHAN!!!!!!!
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:17 AM
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4. I know it sounds crazy...
...but this guy is saying these are the folks who set up the National Prayer Breakfast.

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"The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend."
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He also puts in a bunch of other names as well. He throws out the following names right off the bat:

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"The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.”
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:11 AM
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3. I read this back when it first was written in 2003...
It is very, very disturbing and also disgusting. It really should greatly concern an "average" American citizen. It's just not well known.

You may not have many responders because there is not a clear reference in your introduction to indicate who these people are and what this is all about.

Here's an exceprt that may be helpful:

"Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities."

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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:25 AM
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6. Thanks.
Yes, I've never heard of these people before now. Although when I read the article I wasn't sure if it was some type of conspiracy theory or not. I've heard of the events, the people, and some of the organizations before. Although I never knew they were connected.

That's why I posted it here. I wanted others to read it and tell me what they thought. I am inclined to believe that this place is for real, these people are for real, but I am not certain to the extend of which they are able to wield any power. Although, I think just by their very existence and their goals they are a threat.

Thanks for letting me know. I added the names and organizations to my original post.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:17 AM
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5. "The Family": Evangelical Opus Dei
Note the names of Congressional members of the Ivanwald-Cedars "Family" and their leadership positions on intelligence and defense oversight committees. Want to know why America's gotten into the mess we're in around the world, and Congress has done nothing to get us out? This roster is attached to the core of the cabal, "the new chosen," pulling us into world war.

Read more from The Harper's piece:


Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.” <1> The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend. Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can “meet Jesus man to man.”

<SNIP>

During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise. “We work with power where we can,” the Family's leader, Doug Coe, says, “build new power where we can't.”

At the 1990 National Prayer Breakfast, George H.W. Bush praised Doug Coe for what he described as “quiet diplomacy, I wouldn't say secret diplomacy,” as an “ambassador of faith.” Coe has visited nearly every world capital, often with congressmen at his side, “making friends” and inviting them back to the Family's unofficial headquarters, a mansion (just down the road from Ivanwald) that the Family bought in 1978 with $1.5 million donated by, among others, Tom Phillips, then the C.E.O. of arms manufacturer Raytheon, and Ken Olsen, the founder and president of Digital Equipment Corporation. A waterfall has been carved into the mansion's broad lawn, from which a bronze bald eagle watches over the Potomac River. The mansion is white and pillared and surrounded by magnolias, and by red trees that do not so much tower above it as whisper. The mansion is named for these trees; it is called The Cedars, and Family members speak of it as a person. “The Cedars has a heart for the poor,” they like to say. By “poor” they mean not the thousands of literal poor living barely a mile away but rather the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom: the senators, generals, and prime ministers who coast to the end of Twenty-fourth Street in Arlington in black limousines and town cars and hulking S.U.V.'s to meet one another, to meet Jesus, to pay homage to the god of The Cedars.

There they forge “relationships” beyond the din of vox populi (the Family's leaders consider democracy a manifestation of ungodly pride) and “throw away religion” in favor of the truths of the Family. Declaring God's covenant with the Jews broken, the group's core members call themselves “the new chosen.”

The brothers of Ivanwald are the Family's next generation, its high priests in training. I had been recommended for membership by a banker acquaintance, a recent Ivanwald alumnus, who had mistaken my interest in Jesus for belief. Sometimes the brothers would ask me why I was there. They knew that I was “half Jewish,” that I was a writer, and that I was from New York City, which most of them considered to be only slightly less wicked than Baghdad or Amsterdam. I told my brothers that I was there to meet Jesus, and I was: the new ruling Jesus, whose ways are secret.

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:35 AM
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7. The "Family" is a dangerous CULT!
This is the very same MO all religious extremist groups utilize. It is the same MO Bush et al criticizes ME countries for using in their schools (which they do).

This is cultivating terrorists. :scared:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:57 AM
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9. Yes, and THEY have WMD.
30,000 of them and the world's largest stockpile of chemical and biological weapons.

With this in mind, the Family may be right that they wield God's wrath. They have the power of life and death over the entire human race.

It's looking more and more like the next World War will be a clash between and among three nuclear-armed religious cults. Any one of their numerous denominations, secret orders, and splinters could start the thing.

Almost makes one nostalgic for the Cold War. At least, then, there was some semblance of centralized command and control by secular leaders who understood that death by radiation poisoning is permanent and makes no exceptions.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:37 AM
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11. Yeah. It's scary.
:scared:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:56 AM
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13. I'm not so much scared as bewildered that this story got ZERO
follow-up in any MSM or even the progressive media. Not that I've seen until now, anyway.

The Family pods seem to have cloned some powerful Dems, as well, so I can see why it didn't become a campaign issue. The story may have been suppressed before the election for just this reason.

The Smiley says it all: :wtf:
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:03 AM
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14. We should shine a big spot light on it.
This is more important than anything else that I can think of at the moment. The more people who know about this the better. Let the Blogs take a crack at it. It'll at least gain some attention and some is better than none.

The worst thing that could happen to these people is exposure. ESPECIALLY right now with the wacko fundi right with so much power.

Nominate it for the Greatest Page.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:35 AM
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15. Done. Already sent it to some blogger buddies
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 11:36 AM by leveymg
:kick:

By the way, you've got to read this not unrelated thread:

Re: S. 520, Is This as Ominous as it Sounds? Gen Discussion-Pol - 10:26

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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:38 AM
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8. That was a fantastic article
thanks
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:06 AM
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10. Welcome. :)
Do you think this should go on the Greatest Page so more people will see it?

Really, I think that these people should be taken seriously. They seem a lot more calculating than the traditional Religious Right. When I read the article I just kept thinking Hitler over and over again. These people want to be just like Hitler. They admire him.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:39 AM
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12. One of the scariest things I've ever read
I read it last year, some time. Grassley is one of my Senators. These people are powerful and they are fucking nutjobs.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:53 AM
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16. I really hope there IS a god and that he/she/it SMACKS these
asshats down so bloody hard their shit-for-brains splatters all over the their tiny little worlds.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:39 PM
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17. Most. Frightening. Article. Ever.
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 12:39 PM by yodermon
Everyone should read it. These guys have some interesting role models.
These excerpts speak for themselves. All emphases are mine.

“A covenant,” Doug answered. The congressman half-smiled, as if caught between confessing his ignorance and pretending he knew what Doug was talking about. “Like the Mafia,” Doug clarified. “Look at the strength of their bonds.” He made a fist and held it before Tiahrt's face. Tiahrt nodded, squinting. “See, for them it's honor,” Doug said. “For us, it's Jesus.”

Coe listed other men who had changed the world through the strength of the covenants they had forged with their “brothers”: “Look at Hitler,” he said. “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden.” The Family, of course, possessed a weapon those leaders lacked: the “total Jesus” of a brotherhood in Christ.

“That's what you get with a covenant,” said Coe. “Jesus plus nothing.”

In a document entitled “Our Common Agreement as a Core Group,” members of the Family are instructed to form a “core group,” or a “cell,” which is defined as “a publicly invisible but privately identifiable group of companions.” A document called “Thoughts on a Core Group” explains that “Communists use cells as their basic structure. The mafia operates like this, and the basic unit of the Marine Corps is the four man squad. Hitler, Lenin, and many others understood the power of a small core of people.”

The Family was founded in April 1935 by Abraham Vereide, a Norwegian immigrant who made his living as a traveling preacher. One night, while lying in bed fretting about socialists, Wobblies, and a Swedish Communist who, he was sure, planned to bring Seattle under the control of Moscow, Vereide received a visitation: a voice, and a light in the dark, bright and blinding..<snip>..Vereide met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of “strong” government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler.

“Yes,” Doug said, “it's good to have friends. Do you know what a difference a friend can make? A friend you can agree with?” He smiled. “Two or three agree, and they pray? They can do anything. Agree. Agreement. What's that mean?” Doug looked at me. “You're a writer. What does that mean?”

I remembered Paul's letter to the Philippians, which we had begun to memorize. Fulfill ye my joy, that ye be likeminded.

“Unity,” I said. “Agreement means unity.”

Doug didn't smile. “Yes,” he said. “Total unity. Two, or three, become one. Do you know,” he asked, “that there's another word for that?”

No one spoke.

“It's called a covenant. Two, or three, agree? They can do anything. A covenant is . . . powerful. Can you think of anyone who made a covenant with his friends?”

We all knew the answer to this, having heard his name invoked numerous times in this context. Andrew from Australia, sitting beside Doug, cleared his throat: Hitler.”

“Yes,” Doug said. “Yes, Hitler made a covenant. The Mafia makes a covenant. It is such a very powerful thing.
Two, or three, agree.” He took another bite from his plate, planted his fork on its tines. “Well, guys,” he said, “I gotta go.”


Again the link:
http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:36 PM
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18. Yeah.
Yeah, the Hitler worship is pretty scary. :scared:
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:08 PM
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19. Prayer meetings.. hmm.. read Wayne Madsen article..
on the "Christian Mafia"... it was on DU.. its long, but he talks about how prayer breakfast were meeting and networking places for certain neo nazi fundies to meet and influence politicians. Prescott bush was at these years ago, before ww2, when some in attendance had direct ties to nazi Germany. Its hard to see it all, thus the "vast" in "vast right wing conspiracy"! Add to this the 9 families that are the base of the bush/neocon movement.
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