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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:41 AM
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The Revolution Is Now
The Republican Revolution is here, and it is now.

Huge deficits, pre-emptive war, radical changes to Social Security, bigger government and more limits on human rights, are the hallmarks of this Republican revolution.

This Republican revolution must be put down. The people must rise and say: "No More"
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:42 AM
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1. No More !!!!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:43 AM
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2. No More! There, I said it. I just looked out the window. Saw no change.


Oh well.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:56 AM
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7. No Change?
Don't look out the window, look inside your own ego for the change.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:43 AM
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3. Yeah -- And It's Really A People's Revolution Against Corporate Governance
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:04 PM
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8. Not Quite
It is a Republican revolution we are witness too.

The Republicans have radically altered the premise of our government.

Instead of a government in the background - serving the needs of all the people, it is a becoming a goverment in the foreground altering everything in it's path for the benefit of a few.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:29 PM
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27. No Disagreement Here
: )
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 03:21 PM
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43. well said!
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:44 AM
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4. Except nobody wants to fight.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:11 PM
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10. Nobodies are just that: Nobodies
I am fighting, and there are many here who battle daily. But the first response is recognizing what we are up against.

The revolution is being waged against us; it is not we who are leading the revolution, we are reacting to the revolution. Believe it or not, we are the conservatives in this battle. We fight to conserve Social Security, our rights, our taxes, our land, our privacy.

Everyone wants to fight, they just don't know how. The first step is realizing the problem. The problem is: A Republican Lead Revolution.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 03:47 PM
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45. There may be more people willing to fight than you might think.
The problem is that most don't see any significant potential for success. I know, we can boycott WalMart. Somehow, I can't get the feeling that we have much of a chance against WalMart of American Express. We can't even get our own vote counted in the election.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:47 AM
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5. Not Yet
Edited on Sun Apr-03-05 11:48 AM by sparosnare
the people will not rise up until things get much much worse. I had this conversation with my mother just the other day and we agreed there aren't enough of us yet who see the crisis. The average joes continue to max out their credit cards, drive their SUVs and pay on their huge mortgages. The bottom has to fall out for them before people start marching in the streets.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:51 AM
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6. It takes COURAGE! It takes LEADERSHIP!
The Pope told the people of Poland to speak out...
and they are no longer under communist rule! It takes courage. Can you imagine telling the Russians that if they rolled tanks into your homeland you would stand shoulder to shoulder with your countrymen? Now, that's a TRUE LEADER!

Peace!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:11 PM
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9. I'm with ya - lets do more than throw ideas around on the internet
We need to focus our energy where it will have the most impact...
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:17 PM
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12. Good
Let us call it what it is then. Let us realize that we are not doing the revolting, we are trying to stop this new revolution.

There is no telling where this Republican revolution will take us, but we see what it has done thus far: Hundreds of thousands of dead humans, gasoline at record prices, a long and valued history of taking care of the elderly and the sick is under attack...... all these things and more, are the result of the early stages of this Republican revolution.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:17 PM
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11. Exactly!They're destroying my country and tell ME to "love it or leave it"
I say if they want to live in a theocracy, they can go start one somewhere else. This is MY country, based on the Constitution and the rule of law.

I saw a glimmer of hope when even the Bush41-appointed conservative Judge Greer told them they'd gone too far...
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:23 PM
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14. Exactly
Even one of their own has told them they have gone too far.

Their revolutionary ideas and actions tend to radically alter the very idea of our government: instead of death with dignity, they pile lawsuit upon lawsuit eliminating what little dignity the poor lady had left.

Instead of fixing a problem with the glue of compassion, they light a fire underneath.

Instead of respecting individual human rights they unleash a campaign of Shock and Awe.

It is simply revolting.
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SteveIrving1 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:21 PM
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13. When need that one guy......
Who can rally the people. Who can get the farmers, the families, the former small Businesses man, and seniors to grab there torch and pitchfork.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:32 PM
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16. There will be no singular leader
They would just kill him or her.

The only way to stop this revolution is in the living rooms and on the porches of all Americans. It starts by calling it what it is: A Republican revolution designed to radically alter the foundations of 200+ years of American governance.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:29 PM
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15. I agree BUT calling what the Republicans are doing "Revolutionary"
is making it TOO SEXY, imo.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:34 PM
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17. Sexy?
Yes, revolution is sexy to us, but to most Americans the idea of a revolution is revolting.

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:51 PM
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19. Well Republicans are revolting, that's for sure.
But I'm not sure I agree that most Americans see "revolution" as revolting. I suspect most people have no idea what "revolution" is outside of the way the word is used in ADVERTISING--which, one has to admit, has become a large part of what our political system IS.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:08 PM
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21. Revolution is a scary word, imo
Yes, it is being used as an advertising term, with much success, eh?

But the people are fickle. While they may be induced to respond to such a term in a personal way, when confronted with the idea that the government is radically altering the basis of the world, they get a little anxious and refuse to buy in.

Our problem is that we have let the revolution go on for far too long without a proper response; calling it a revolution is a beginning.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:23 PM
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24. Not that you are wrong to call it that--you are right. Somehow
it just doesn't feel STRONG enough to me. What wording can we find that encapsulates "theocratic fascist revolutionaries".
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:36 PM
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28. I dunno
....am hoping someone with far better wordsmithing skills than I will come to the fore.

I like your "Counter Revolution" idea. Something tells me that whatever we come up with needs to be humorous and have a sexy sales pitch, tho there is little that is humorous about the whole thing...
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:49 PM
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29. How about "RIGHT WING RADICAL REVOLUTION"--as opposed
to "Republican Revolution." There are a LOT of Republicans that are APALLED by what is going on. We need THEM most of all!!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:18 PM
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31. Extremist....
...Radical Revolution guiding the American Government.

Methinks if we can just hang the term "Revolution" around their necks not only would they proudly wear it, the people would know it for what it is.

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 05:48 PM
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46. "Radical" and "extremist" seem redundant--but we
may be splitting hairs. In any case, it is a radical right revolution and you are right, they'll probably wear in proudly. Why not, they're WINNING!

WHAT I FEAR IS THEY'LL MAKE IT 'SEXY' as in a marketing strategy that appeals to phobia and racism--which they've fomented a lot of in this country.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 06:22 PM
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47. The revolution has been televized
We Liberals are the reason the revolution has gone this far: becuse we let them get this far. Sad to say, they have made it sexy; everything to do with sex - gays, abortion, teenage pregnancy, even strippers, are our fault.

So they got where they are using a marketing strategy of blame the Libs for everything wrong. Well, that's got to end... how, I dunno, but realizing that the revolution is happening, now, is the first step to recovery.

As I pondered the revolution whilst offline for these last few hours, it occured to me the only regressive revolution in recent history, is, IIRC, Hitler's. Some comparison, eh?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 06:36 PM
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48. Spot on. American elites funded Hitler's rise to power.
Are you just now grasping that the whole point of what is going on is to bring an end to the American Republic? That has been the agenda for a very long time. It was our Republic that broke their Reich--and they've been working toward full revenge ever since.

They are going to bankrupt this nation in every conceivable meaning of that word. They want to take us back to a feudal era--with everything privatized and in the hands of the Corporations--land, money, military, media and most of all energy resources.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:45 PM
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18. What happens if we just ignore what they say?
Rather like many ignore what their religion says. Apply logic, and keep moving forward, pretending that the Rs are not taking over. Refuse to participate in the war-mongering, moon-light a job and not pay taxes on it (we love cash), etc. In general, quietly monkey-wrench the system. If we start picking up our marbles and refusing to play fair with them, then maybe we can get somewhere.

the old "what if they gave a war and nobody came"
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:02 PM
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20. Ignore?
I think not. We have, so far, either ignored their words, or called them idiots, and look at what that's gotten us.

No, it is time to call a spade a spade. It is a deep seated, well thought out plan to revolutionize the American form of government.

It is radical to it's core and is anti-democratic, and if we continue to ignore it, it will consume our freedoms.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:17 PM
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23. perhaps ignore is the wrong word
"Carry on" in spite of their plans, rather like a willful child who does what he is told not to do. Subtle sabotage is another way of thinking about it.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:13 PM
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22. it could be that they'd like to see a revolution
but i suspect that would backfire, french revolution style, but things are just too comfy right now.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:25 PM
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25. ?? No, he's saying THEIR (corprate, neocon, RW, fundy, etc) REVOLUTION is
ALREADY upon us.

This puts us in the position of being true conservatives, COUNTER revolutionaries.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:25 PM
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26. It is a revolution!
Only it is the Republicans who are forcing the radical changes, they are in charge of the revolution, it is a Republican revolution.

They are in the process of changing the whole Judicial system. That is revolutionary.

They want to radically change Social Security, that means revolutionary changes are coming.

Yes, they stole the term 'revolution' right out from underneath us, but as wise old woman once told me: "They learned all they know from the democrats"

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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:11 PM
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30. Yes. "Arming the Left: Is the time now?"
Arming the Left: Is the time now? --by Charles Southwell "As long as we pose no REAL threat to the powers-that-be, to what is shaping up into a dictatorship, we will continue to be ignored. Right now, we are ignored because we present no organized power to fight this onslaught of anti-democratic, totalitarian government that we are up against..."

Lori Price

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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:25 PM
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32. Yes, the time to arm is now...
Someone created a thread on Pol Pot last night and in reading about Khmer Rouge attempts at exterminating classes of Cambodians, I made the analogy that Freepers would do likewise if given the power. Think about it: if Freeper types were in power, they would detain, torture, and murder those who were educated, gays, religious dissidents, humanists, atheists, and about any and everyone else who opposed them.
Here's the implication: if the Freeper Inquistion faces a shooting enemy, what will they do? If the Freep Patrol comes knocking on your door only to take a bullet in the chest and die a miserable death, they will not succeed. Yes, by all means, arm yourselves now and arm yourselves as well as you can afford to.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:35 PM
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36. Whatever it takes
And it may take a shooting match to stop the assault.

But it needn't come to that; that scenario would mean that we have failed to educate our fellows about the future consequences of allowing the revolution to continue.

The revolution must end and we regain control over our government, or we will end up in a shooting match against superiorly armed forces leading to many an innocent death.

Let us not let it get that far.
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RegexReader Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 03:15 PM
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42. ¿take a shooting match to stop the assault.?
OK, like you got the guts for a Fallujah style type of fight with the US military? Yeah, take it to streets in a riot and let the neo-cons "Vote from the Rooftops". Truly, make their day.

Gut check time. Got the stones to pull the trigger on someone for merely having a W'04 bumpersticker on their SUV? This I can promise you, if the Progressives start this 'revolution' that they won't hesitate to put an AK47 round through back glass and into the driver's head rest of any car that has a Kerry sticker on it that goes by, especially after a couple of Reginald Denny style of incidents by 'hippies'.

My grandfather had a saying, "Don't start a fire that you cannot put out."

RegexReader
$USA =~ s/Republican/Democrat/ig;
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 03:33 PM
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44. ?
I think we were talking about defensive action, I have no idea what manner of context you took my comments.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:28 PM
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33. The Key
What kind of a threat can we become? In what form shall we deliver our message?

Through Elections? Not unless we vote on paper.

Exposing the revolution for what it is - a radical alteration of historic and traditional framework of goverment, is the key to begin organizing the counter revolution.

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:29 PM
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34. You can take a cue from the A.L.F.......
http://www.nocompromise.org/alf/alf.html

No humans die in their campaigns, but are still considered Domestic Terrorists ? Over 100,000 people have died under Bush and he's considered a Liberator?

Not that I advocate property destruction and/or violence, but how far does one have to go before someone will listen :dilemma:

It should be the American Revolution Part Deux :)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:39 PM
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38. Liberator
That is part of the revolutionary idea right there: That death and destruction is the foremost liberationary tactic.

It is a completely revolutionary idea that America should become the overseer and lord of the rest of the world.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:33 PM
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35. I think the proper term may be a 'revolution from ABOVE'
It is a radical revolution being IMPOSED from above. By Economic Royalists and puritanical, repressive, authoritarian prudes. There is a very thin veneer of civility veiling their violent and abusive impulses and tendencies.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:43 PM
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39. You got it, Ouabache
It is being forced from above... from the elites. This is not a revolution of the people, it is a revolution by the regressive authoritarian types crushing the life out of democracy.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:37 PM
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37. Seattle's 1999 WTO shutdown
I don't care what end of the political spectrum you embrace, those demonstrators in Seattle were true patriots who defied international moneyed interests. These people shut down the entire city and caused the WTO meeting to cease and they didn't do it by singing "Kumbaya" and throwing flower petals. We've lost our uniquely American defiance and have become such rule-happy slaves.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:49 PM
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40. Heroes, one and all
Edited on Sun Apr-03-05 02:54 PM by BeFree
They are the counter revolutionairies that we should support and learn from. Probably the only reason we still stand a chance of turning the tide comes from their show of force against the powers that be, making them step back and examine their next move. That move was to steal the elections, start wars, and begin limiting the people's rights.

They slowed it down, but the revolution is continuing today. They are just hiding their moves so much more carefully no one really noticed the revolution until now.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:49 PM
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41. "This Modern World" commentary on the 1999 WTO


And if you thought it was bad then, it's much worse now.
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