why in the HELL would anyone want to be Celibant?

[mopaul]

and what the hell is the point?

[Atman]

1. I think they pulled Celibant off the market. Vioxen, too.

And Brekstar was pulled just yesterday.

Stick with Assprin.

[MollyStark]

8. ROFL!!

:rofl:

[Kellanved]

2. simple

To stop the younger sons from noble houses having offspring.

[htuttle]

13. Yup, property

It all had to do with property. With no offspring, a priest's estate goes back to the church.

[Kellanved]

17. there is that

The order of inheritance for noble titles has to be taken into account as well. The oldest inherited, the others were sent to the church. Legitimate nephews might have caused, hence they were taken out of the equation.

[oasis]

3. Do you know how much a steak and lobster dinner cost these days?

[formernaderite]

4. I think you're posing a rather stupid question....

many different types of religious orders(non-Christian too) have practiced celibacy. An ascetic lifestyle does not necessarily denote religiosity, rather it points to a conquest of ones higher self over the lower self. It is a discipline....and not one that many can follow.

[JitterbugPerfume]

6. higher self? lower self?

sex is dirty?


oh well, guess i am just a dirty girl

[bryant69]

9. It's not necessarily a matter of sex being dirty

Although that is often the case, I admit. It's a matter of focusing on earthly concerns rather than higher concerns. If you are focused on another individual (a sexual partner, or wife or husband or whatnot), does their importance to you make it harder to focus on the Eternal?

Some monks take vows of poverty for the same reason - to cut off the earthly world to a certain extent so that you can focus on the spiritual.

Bryant
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[Discord]

26. no sex is "dirty" period. Only people who view it that way.

Its a natural, 100% biologigal human impluse, driven by chemicals and pheramones. Some people may choose celibacy for spiritual purposes, but many abide by it for nothing other than they were TAUGHT that it was "dirty" or "wrong". Its a myth, and a false one at that that is in direct oposition to nature. Its mostly just brainwashing. pure and simple.

[mopaul]

28. southern baptists with their abstinence programs, it's so so so dirty

the original sin from that old snake satan, lust. sex is treated as dirty all through history for some religions. mary didn't have dirty sex, that's just too nasty for the mother of the messiah.

sex starts on the cellular level, it's part and parcel of us, we wouldn't be here without sex, nor would the whales or crickets.

no homosexuality either, it's too much fun apparently. anything that feels really good, is definitely really bad.

why would the creator make us so horny, only to tell us not to do it?

[bryant69]

32. I don't know if you are talking about Celibacy or Chastity

You do know the difference, no?

Bryant

[The Stranger]

27. Paging Dr. Jung . . .

[bryant69]

33. Thank you for that meaningful response

It really helped me see things in a different light.

[Discord]

39. and thank you for being so closed minded that ANY

response is immediately discredited by your oh so enlightened view of your brainwashed faith. Most here are not brainwashed... but you my friend, fit the bill perfectly.

No need to respond. Your not worth bothing to speak to on this matter.

[bryant69]

42. You do seem to have a script you are following

His response was three words long - I don't know what he meant by it, as I have only a passing knowledge of Jung, mostly the collective unconcious which I find to be interesting.

[Panda1]

10. I think it's a valid question.

Not fair at all to call the question stupid.

Why would anyone WANT to deny their natural instincts....a lot of Catholic priests I've known wished the rules about that particular constraint could change.

Celibacy.....what a fucking concept!

[QC]

21. Valid question, flippant treatment of it. n/t

[Panda1]

38. Were you referring to me?

I wasn't being flippant. I was raised Catholic and I've always been bewildered by the notion of celibacy as an asset in religion. It's not natural and then we end up with scandals such as molestation of altar boys. In what way is that flippant to question such archaic values?

[mrbill]

11. captain kirk, think with your brain not your gonads - spock

n/t

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[ClintonTyree]

18. They're shakers alright......

shaking from being "penal retentive". The prostate was meant to be used, and it is actually quite unhealthy to NOT exercise that bad boy. Prostate cancer is directly linked to being penal retentive and Doctors recommend that men in their "golden years" continue to "exercise" the prostate to fend off disease. Are they allowed to "spank the monkey"? What about nocturnal emissions, does that constitute "breaking the code"? I'm not talking about "devoting" their lives to sex, I talking about normal sexual desire. I don't know anyone who has "devoted" their life to sex.

It's all a bunch of bunk if you ask me. Attempting to disregard human needs leads to other MUCH more naughty behavior, such as pedophilia. You have to let nature take it's course, or you're asking for trouble. The notion that denying yourself sex, food or anything else in an attempt to "get closer to god" is ridiculous.

[rooboy]

7. I've been retrospectively celibate a few times...

it had nothing to do with me "not getting any" once I realized that I was simply practicing celibacy :)

[sendero]

12. Well.....

... I heard on the radio the supposed real "reason" that the Catholic church adopted a celibacy policy for clergy, and not knowing for SURE that it is true and not wanting to start a flame war, I'll just say do your own research - it's not what you think.

[LostinVA]

14. What is it???

[murielm99]

15. One reason I have heard is

that a pastor might put the needs of his spouse and children before the needs of the church. If he has no family other than the church, he can go where God directs him and where the church directs him, putting the church first.

People take vows of celibacy to dedicate their lives to God.

There are other reasons. There are other ways to serve God, too.

Celibacy is one thing. Celibancy I don't' know about.

[mark11727]

16. Lenny Bruce once said it proved you were the "best man in the tribe"

"Oh, yeah? Well, we're not gonna f*ck any more!"

"Ya beat me... you're the best man in the tribe."

... or something like that.

[KharmaTrain]

19. My Late Father's Story...

He used to tell one something like this...

"St. Peter gets all the prophets together...they're drinking sacramental wine...and somehow the topic turns to sexuality. St. Peter, having a little too much to drink slurs his words and tells his disciple that men and woman should Celebate their sexuality wherever they can. Celebate? Hmmm...

I thought this joke was goofy but he said his Catholic patients loved this one.

Being one who believes that religion defies most of what is natural about our world, celebacy fits in with all the other goofiness that organized religion has become. For those who want to believe or particiapte, knock yourself out.

[Egalitariat]

29. There are lots of silly rules in religion

Clearly, most of us believe it is wrong to kill, steal, or bag your buddy's wife.

But "thou shalt not eat pork" has always been a little strange to me. Hamburgers, salmon steaks, and chicken wings are A-OK, but a little bacon will send you straight to hell?

[KharmaTrain]

30. It Made Sense 3,000 Years Ago

A lot of the Jewish dietary laws are based on common sense of the time. Meat and dairy required special handling to prevent it from spoiling or spreading diseases and this was the original FDA, per se, and before any forms of refrigeration.

As I've noticed with so much of religious dogma, you start with some simple rules of civilization and common sense...like it's not a good thing to bag your neighbor's wife...and then over centuries you've had charlatans and others disect these words and twist and bend them to segragate, frustrate and confuse...better to make their words mean something and keep the flock in blissful ignorance.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. Isn't that a Tolkien character?

Me, I'd love to be able to do magic and cool things like that. The ears would suck, though.

[CTLawGuy]

23. you're thinking of Celeborn

Husband of Galadriel

[Bridget Burke]

25. Celibant was Celeborn's cousin....

You don't hear much about him.

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. Well, if we're going to be accurate

I was probably thinking of the river Celebrant.

[Botany]

22. Ever see my Ex naked?

all 200 lbs of her ...... :scared:

[suegeo]

24. No family, easier to do the dirty work

You can fight against the things you want to fight against, and not worry about sadistic leaders torturing your family to get you to stop.

For example, didn't the CIA take into custody the children of some Pakistani (sp?) "terrorist" sometime last year (I may have the nationality and timing wrong, but this did happen during the Junta's so-called war on terror.) "We have ways of making them talk."

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[callous taoboy]

34. Jack Kerouac

wrote about being celibate. I forget which book, but he has chosen to be celibate because the world is painful and sex brings babies into a painful existence.

[Piperay]

35. Good to avoid messy relationships and

sometimes a person just likes to concentrate on themselves. I don't see anything wrong with it as long as no one is forcing you.

[American Tragedy]

41. Sometimes there just isn't anyone around that you want to sleep with

I would much rather be on my own, than have sex with somebody to whom I'm not attracted or with whom I just don't want to be involved.

And some of us aren't eager to open ourselves to more opportunities for people to tell us that we're too skinny, or our breasts are too small, etc. Unfortunately, sex leaves one very vulnerable to unsolicited physical critique.

[crispini]

36. Well, priestly vows aside, for ordinary people, IMO,

the point is to get just as comfortable NOT having sex as having sex. If you are going through a "dry spell" and you think of yourself as "not getting any" and are really focused on when you're gonna "get some" next time, well, you're making your life all about sex.

[UdoKier]

40. You mean celibate?

Who cares? I've been both celibate and sexually active. Both were just fine, except with celibacy there are no worries about disease. Or are you talking celibate in the religious sense where you are not even allowed to touch yourself? Now that's just crazy talk!