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JackD76 Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:23 PM
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Kill Bill Law?
I heard about a law passed today in Florida, where it is legal to kill someone, if you feel they are plotting against you or some bull shit like that. Can anyone confirm?
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:27 PM
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1. No...
from what I've heard the law only makes Florida like Texas in that if you feel reasonably in danger of your life or safety you can use deadly force, also you can use deadly force to protect yourself in your home.
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ElectricIron Sweeney Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:30 PM
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3. Is that why most husbands killed
by their wives die in the kitchen?
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:35 PM
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8. No idea...
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:55 PM
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11. You can shoot someone in public
if you think it is self-defense or the person is threatening you.

That is different than what we have now in Texas.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:29 PM
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2. Jeb just passed a law that you could use deadly force if you
believed that other person meant to do you harm.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:31 PM
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5. yeah...
if you are attacked, you dont just have to feel that they are going to try to kill you to use deadly force.

Just the fact that they attack you is reason enough to use deadly force, and IMO I have no problem with that. People can kill be killed with fists and feet, I see no reason someone has to hold back on using deadly force against any attacker.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:56 PM
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12. No, Jack, the "Stand Your Ground" or "Kill Bill" Bill
means you can shoot someone whom you BELIEVE means you harm.

NOT only someone who is attacking you.

BIG difference.
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ElectricIron Sweeney Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:32 PM
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6. I must already be dead
cause I mean to do all those property people some harm.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:31 PM
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4. FL backs right to shoot, even in public!
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 08:33 PM by babylonsister
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1454810,00....

Florida backs right to shoot

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Friday April 8, 2005
The Guardian

The people of Florida will soon be able to shoot an attacker in the street and face only a minimal risk of prosecution under a new law approved by the state legislature.
In a show of strength by America's gun lobby, the law passed the state legislature by 94 votes to 20 this week, winning support from Democrats as well as Republicans.

It is expected to go into force on October 1, and is virtually certain to be signed by Florida's governor, Jeb Bush, the president's brother, who described it as "a good, commonsense, anti-crime issue".

The measure frees Floridians facing attack in a public space of the duty to try to escape before resorting to lethal force. "A person does not have a duty to retreat if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be," the bill says. Instead, they can fend off a knife attack by shooting an assailant because the law gives the right "to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so, to prevent death or great bodily harm".
Proponents say the law restores a sense of balance to Florida. "Before, if you got a 6ft 3in, 200lb rapist with a nylon stocking who was going to choke you, you couldn't use a gun on him - you could only use a stocking, and only if you could convince a jury that you were in fear of death or great bodily harm," argued Marion Hammer, a former national director of the National Rifle Association, and a prime force behind the measure.

Gun control advocates say it will return Florida to the days of the Wild West - all but giving 6 million registered gun owners a licence to kill in what is already one of the most violent states in America. <snip>



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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:32 PM
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7. Just like Texas law...
which is a good thing.
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ElectricIron Sweeney Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:37 PM
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9. Too many people know what they will kill for
and too few know what they will die for. Think of all those people who die at the hands of the police for crimes against property, or at any rate, for nothing that would subject them to a death penalty. No wonder so many policemen commit suicide, and too bad they do not consider that option sooner..
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:40 PM
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10. people should learn what they can die for...
growing up in Texas my family always taught me a health respect for not fucking with people or thier property.

If and when I have kids I will hopefully teach them as well as my family taught me.

Some people will kill you over trivial shit, however that being said I have no remorse over people who start a physical confrontation with someone and end up dead. The human body is a deadly weapon, why should someone let someone else beat up on them and not respond in kind with deadly force.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 09:22 AM
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13. Jack you are missing the point the perp does not have to attack anyone
the trick is that if you BELIEVE they mean to attack you can kill them. Get it? It is just like the sexual harassment trick it is in the mind of the victim.
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