Low Taxes Or Freedom?

[Syrinx]

Competing Simplified Versions Of Society: Which One Would Be Preferable?

[Syrinx]

1. I get one contentless kick right?

Come on, we care more about rights than money, right?

[dhinojosa]

2. Not at this hour....

hehe

[Syrinx]

3. are you perpetuating some stereotype?

Just kidding but just cause I don't know...

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[punpirate]

4. Sort of a...

... black and white kind of poll. And, what do taxes have to do with individual rights? Nothing that I can see.

[Syrinx]

6. I believe I admitted the monochrome nature of the poll from the top

That was fully my intention.

I'm saying, if you have to choose between your money and your rights, which would you choose? That is my question.

And I'm afraid of the honest answers that will be flooding my way.

In Advance, I'm sad.

[punpirate]

7. But, without some basis for having to make...

... that choice, it's meaningless. The two issues aren't intertwined and interrelated.

[Syrinx]

9. of course they are

But we now are all about money. We can't help it. Regardless of what we tell the monitors it will be regurgitated as money. No way out.

[punpirate]

16. Ah, perhaps...

... but only if one accepts the premise the neo-cons present. Taken apart from their view, no, it's not true. To accept their premise is admit intellectual defeat, and the defeat of reason.

Cheers.

[Syrinx]

8. What does the GOP mean by "rights", except as an abscence of taxes?

I never claimed I defined "rights." And I was trying in my post to disabuse us all of these definitions.

Whatever.

[queeg]

10. what a stupid poll

and it's not a choice for both?

POLL:

which would you like better

Health care, but Tommy DeLay gets to kick you in the nads twice a day.

OR

No health care, but you get to kick Tommy DeLay in the nads twice a day.

[Syrinx]

13. I get to kick Tommy and I get health care

Not super-complicated.

That is what the outcome we should be striving for. The Scandinavians have it, why can't we?

[Poppyseedman]

11. Low Taxes Or Freedom?

Mutually exclusive concepts

Sort of like asking if you want to either be stunningly beautiful or extremely wealthy.

[Silverhair]

12. The associations are backwards.

Huge taxes would more likely go with a totalitarian state. After all, a small libertine state would not need large taxes.

Huge taxes would support a very large powerful state. Large powerful states, whether of the right or the left will tend to suppress liberty because that is what states do.

[Syrinx]

14. I think you are right

But I'm still thinking.

Because the Republicans' biggest talking point is that they are for individual freedom, and for less spending, yet they tax and spend more than any Democrat has ever dreamed of. Because the popular opinion was that they wouldn't do any such thing.

[magellan]

15. Interpreting this poll in simplistic terms

...as I believe was intended, I choose highly-taxed and free. It's preferable to the BushCo agenda for Americans: "low" taxes and the Neocon jackboot on our backs.

[B Calm]

17. The tax code was changed over the last 20 years

to create wealth, and it accomplished this feat extremely well. Corporations were given "free land" the ability to issue stocks and the public received incentives to homestead-IRA, 401k plans, Pensions, Mutual Funds, etc. Now they betrayed the public trust (stock options, insider trading, pro forma accounting, cooked books, dishonest business practices, etc) while stock prices continue to tumble and share buybacks continue at record levels...just like years ago when the railroads bought back the land of the farmers they defrauded. And now the question remains will the public forgive?

[mrbill]

18. high taxes equal freedom?

long live king george.