I was watching "The Civil War" by Ken Burns

[edhopper]

rebroadcast this morning, and I became infuriated that these same traitorous, evil, racist bastards who went to war to protect their right to own other people are now running the country. Delay, Frist, Lott, *. It took 150 years, but the south has won. Maybe it's time for the north to succeed?

[achtung_circus]

1. Secede? nt

[Smarmie Doofus]

4. Works either way.

[Swamp Rat]

2. This will be interesting...

:popcorn:

[Cuban_Liberal]

3. Sure will be.

:popcorn:

[Laughing Mirror]

5. George Bush is from New Haven, Connecticut

Where are you from?

[supernova]

6. Heh. You're stuck with us!

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[Selatius]

7. It's not south or north, it's the lust for power and control

Our society tells us that to succeed, you must want that fabulous wealth that brings power and control, and some people figure the best way to achieve that end is to destroy everyone else literally or figuratively to achieve the desired outcome. If you reject the world being this way, maybe you should look into fighting for a world where people cooperate with each other rather than try to compete and beat each other down.

Slavery is simply a symptom of the system we live in and accept the same as massive poverty in the world today is a symptom. In practical terms, paying someone 50 cents an hour is akin to slavery. The only difference is that they're not using bullwhips on 3rd world or Chinese workers to keep them working. They're using the promise of making enough money to "live the dream" as the modern bullwhip instead.

When you divide human beings according to where they come from or what language they speak or what religious views they hold or what skin color they may be or whatever else can be used to divide people, you are playing straight into their hands. They want us divided and separated and weak. That is the only way they can hold power over us and maintain that grip. They get us fighting over stupid things, while they continue to consolidate more power.

[Silverhair]

8. Not just OUR society. It is common to humanity. NT

[Lydia Leftcoast]

9. There was an article to that effect in The Atlantic several years ago

during the Gingrich era.

The author felt that the "Gingrich revolution" was the revenge of the Southern plantation owner mentality--and not all the possessors of that mentality lived in the South.

[edhopper]

10. I'm from in NYC,

but I lived in Florida for 20 years. Succeed-secede, damn that spell check, it makes me lazy.
I did not mean to tarnish everyone who lives in the south with the same brush. I meant to point out that the country's present leadership seem to embody the same philosophy and political leanings as the antebellum south. As I said this stems from watching Ken Burn's "Civil War" and the quotes from some of the southerners seemed topical.
As for *, just ask him and he'll tell you he's from Texas.

[QC]

12. "I did not mean to tarnish everyone who lives in the south with the ..."

same brush."

Then why are you posting flamebait that does precisely that?

[martymar64]

11. I think a breakup is inevitable

A breakdown of the transportation infrastructure due to Peak Oil could make a breakup of the US a fait accompli. The west coast, new England, the Great Lakes each are geographic groups that could form their own political unions with barriers such as deserts and mountain ranges becoming more prominent in preventing interaction with other regions.
As resources such as water become depleted in Mountain West and the Great Plains, great swaths of land will revert to the wastelands they once were.

One should start to organize around developing regional identities into national identities. The Republic of Cascadia. I could live with that. What about names for the other new nations?

[Toby109]

13. Gee, those southern boys

got themselves lied into a phony war too. They were told that it was all about state's rights when it really boiled down to an immoral economic decision made by the wealthy plantation owners. Sound like a familiar tactic?

BTW, I'm a southerner, born and raised. Your post doesn't bother me a bit.

[edhopper]

14. Thanks for the support Toby.

QC; I was trying to equate the people of the old south who went to war rather than give up slavery with the immoral repuke leaders we have today. I named some of those I held in contempt. As I said, it was not meant as smear to everyone living in the south today. I just found similarities in philosophy from those quotes I heard on the show and things said by the RW leaders today. Now if you are defending the antebellum south, then yes I meant that about those people.