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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:19 AM
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I watched Royal Wedding and enjoyed it except for the ignorant comments
by the folks at CNN/MSNBC. Andersen Cooper and Alex Witt kept talking over the Brit Commentators and trying to make the whole thing into some snarky gossip fest. They obviously didn't do their homework on protocol, didn't understand the service and seemed like clueless idiots.

I remember the days when Peter Jennings and others would report and you would know who was attending the wedding the history of Windsor Castle, Guild Hall and the music which was being played during the ceremony. You would have learned a little something while you watched. I'm sick of these Cable hacks who are paid so much but know so little. They acted like a bunch of giddy high school kids chuckling and snarking and stumbling over what they were observing.


Only thing I really thought was bizarre was that Russian Hymn. Did anyone know what that was about? :eyes: Was it a hymn or an aria from an Opera. That's the kind of detail these Cable people should have done some homework on. CONTEXT....

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:23 AM
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1. The American audience for this kind of thing generally is into snarky
gossip fests. Charles and Camilla are tabloid fodder more than anything else here.

It is unsurprising that their wedding would get this kind of treatment.

And really, ignorant coverage? In America? Who knew?

:D
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:24 AM
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2. I was able to follow
most of the service as it was right out of the Anglican prayer book, but that one hymn I have not heard before....

you're right, there was much attention to history and tradition that the CNN idiots simply missed...and we are all poorer for it.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:30 AM
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4. The Russian hymn was lovely....
and was in fact, the Creed.

The singer was sent as a Wedding gift to Charlie by some theatre in Russia that he is a patron of. (According to the BBC commentary).
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:46 AM
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8. Thank you....it was a little heavy and dirgelike but at least I know the
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 10:47 AM by KoKo01
background that it was the creed. I'll have to check out BBC Wesite maybe they have more about it.
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MattPSU Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:28 AM
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3. Here here
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 10:31 AM by MattPSU
Anderson Cooper calling Prince Philip the King...and the "ball" in the hand of the statue of Queen Victoria? Good grief.

I was impressed by that Russian hymn too - very intense! According to the Order of Service it was "a setting of a Creed from the Russian Orthodox Liturgy by Aleksandr Gretchaninov." Wonder who chose it?

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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:42 AM
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7. yes....that was a
shocking display of Cooper's ignorance......

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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:59 AM
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10. Given Cooper's background
I'd have thought he'd be more knowledgeable on this subject. After all, in 1895, a relative, 17-yr.-old Consuela Vanderbilt, was forcibly married to the Duke of Marlborough, an exchange of money for a title. She was later divorced.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:15 AM
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14. Cooper is related to Consuela Vanderbuilt? Or, the Duke of Marlboro?
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 11:15 AM by KoKo01
I would think he would have had a more priviledged education. :eyes:

Maybe he was from the "poor" side of the family which fell on hard times.

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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:39 AM
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17. He's Gloria Vanderbilt's son
n/t
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:39 AM
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18. His mother is Gloria Vanderbilt
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 11:48 AM by kskiska
daughter of Reginald Vanderbilt, and subject of the famous custody battle.

Reginald Vanderbilt was one of the most famous playboys of his day. Today he’d be diagnosed a compulsive gambler and an alcoholic, and coming from the wealth that he came from, he’d probably be in, on his way to, or on his way out of re-hab. Unfortunately such opportunities were unavailable in those days to even men as rich and privileged as Reggie Vanderbilt. So instead he drank and gambled away about $25 million (think a half billion in today’s dollars) and died in 1925 at age forty-five.

(snip)

Reggie Vanderbilt also had a very famous second daughter — the most famous Vanderbilt of the 20th century — Gloria Vanderbilt, by a second marriage to a girl half his age, Gloria Morgan.

Gloria Vanderbilt is therefore a great-aunt of the present Harry Cushing. Which means, if you can keep track, that Harry Cushing V is also first cousin, once removed of Anderson Cooper, the CNN anchorman. And potentially the most famous Vanderbilt descendent of the 21st century. The Vanderbilts were a big big family, to say the least.

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/list.php
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:23 AM
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15. Corporate Media Myopia
Everything on American tubes is "dumbed" down to feed the limited worldview of most sheeple. They live in the stereotypes and gossip and this is coverage that plays into all those years of misniformation and flat out ignorance.

When an international story is covered it's always "what's this mean to America" or putting this country at the forefront of all the events taking place. Our "values" (whichever corporate media deems we need to adhere to) are compared to theirs and generally in a condesening manner. American superiority in everything is implied and anything that strays from the American "norms" are blissfully ignored or ridiculed.

Fortunately, I saw only bits and pieces of the wedding...and just to catch the flavor the pictures, not the voices, provide. At least this isn't a death watch.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:51 AM
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9. I heard that....it was awful. Even their Brit commentator didn't know
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 11:18 AM by KoKo01
what it was. I used to know but I've forgotten myself. Still, if I was going to report a Royal Wedding I would have at least Googled "Queen Victoria" statue outside Windsor Castle and been able to find the info.
:eyes: I would have tried to be prepared.

Their sloppyness proves that most of what appears on CNN/MSNBC is written for these commentators by folks who could care less about history, or accuracy. A lack of curiosity, too.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:08 AM
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12. Just looked it up, and it's the "Orb" representing Christian Sovereignty.
British Royalty

http://www.answers.com/topic/engewels-jpg

The "Sovereign's Orb" (representing Christian sovereignty, the Sovereign being the head of the Church of England) is placed in the Sovereign's right hand during the Coronation. The Orb was made for Charles II's coronation. Made from unmarked gold and set with over 600 precious stones and pearls, the Sovereign's Orb is hollow and weighs 42 ounces (1.32kg) and it is 6.5 inches (16.5cm) in diameter.

Since 1661 the Orb has been used at all coronations, and was placed on Queen Victoria's coffin at her funeral.

The Sovereign's Sceptre dates from 1661. It is 36.5 inches (92.2cm) long, mainly gold, and it is decorated with champleve enamel and 393 precious stones, including the Cullinan I diamond. At just over 530 carats, Cullinan I is the largest top quality cut diamond in the world. The sceptre (symbolising the Sovereign's temporal power under the Cross) is presented at the Coronation. The first recorded appearance of the sceptre in the coronation dates from the ninth century.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:27 PM
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19. Thank for the lead...there are articles all over the web about the
music....I thought the Creed was incredibly beautiful. Her voice was amzing.
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concord Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:35 AM
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5. It never occured to me that it'd be on TV
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 10:44 AM by concord
Or even if it had, to watch it.

Not at all surprising it was badly done.

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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:42 AM
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6. indeed, ignorant sluts, all of the commentators -- truly an UNCULTURED
life the MSM baboons continue to offer us ... pitiful. Period.
BTW, I, too, nostalgically remember "better days" of coverage.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:36 AM
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16. King Phillip, now that was funny!
To be fair, before the CNN domestic picked up the feed, there was a lot of fun stuff, about all the tabloid press and how much sport was made of the Royals, people in the street laughing, and of course the streaker... that kinda put them in a total giddy mood.

By the time the "it" girls showed up with hats so ugly drag queens wouldn't wear to a halloween party, you couldn't help but laugh.

Camilla looked so scared though, ...noticed her hand shaking while holding the program during the service...poor thing.

N.B.someone please give HRH Prince William some *Regaine!

--damn that boy needs a hairstylist...bad!

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:13 PM
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20. Thanks for mentioning the hats..
The British upper crust apparently has no fashion sense at all. I've never seen such a parade of butt ugly clothing - on old and young alike. One young woman walking next to the princes was wearing some sort of geometic Carnaby St. leftover from the 60s.

These people all have the money and time to look presentable. Instead they look ridiculous.
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aaronnyc Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:59 AM
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11. I actually prefer the American coverage
IMO this is a tabloid story... nothing more. I have always found it kind of weird that the Brits actually take this royal family thing seriously. It hasn't been relevant for 200 years; it is a little absurd for the British media to discuss Charles and Camilla in the same context as Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon.

The only thing I can't stand more than gossip/tabloid stories on "news" channels, is when these channels treat them as though they are legitimate news stories.

I know that most disagree, but I really don't see why this should be treated any differtly than any other celebrity marriage, which is confined to the cover of "People" and "Entertainment Tonight."
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:10 AM
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13. Creep reporter from fox held up a very nasty (Re: Camilla) t-shirt.
Very low. For God's sake its her friggin' wedding day. I don't like her either but it was totally cruel and gratuitous to show that shirt.
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