Is Robert Novak a good Catholic?

[cestpaspossible]

WOLF BLITZER: While they were united today in mourning the death of the pope, U.S. Catholics are a diverse group, as illustrated by two of our Crossfire co-hosts, the conservative Robert Novak, the liberal Paul Begala. Both good Catholics -- I don't know "good" Catholics, but both Catholics. I'm sure Bob (Novak) is a good Catholic, I'm not so sure about Paul Begala.
Wolf Blitzer "not so sure" liberal CNN host Begala is "a good Catholic"

[Reverend_Smitty]

1. wow Wolf is an asshole

n/t

[Maccagirl]

4. Begala should have bitch-slapped him

for that snarky remark. From the transcripts I read in DU yesterday, Blitzer then when on to say (after Begala gave him a deserved dressing down) that he (Begala) was being "overly sensative." Last night, there was another thread where someone quoted Daryn Kagan as saying the Dems were "overly sensative" about the Repub Shiavo talking points memo. Am I seeing a pattern here-or am I simply "overly sensative"?

[rodeodance]

8. maybe it is there new talking point?

[Ken Burch]

16. Who is Wolf, who is not Catholic, to say who is and who is NOT

a good Catholic?

(Also, FYI, what tone of voice did Wolf use when he made the remark?)

For the record, as a non-Catholic who respects a lot of Catholic teachings and values(the peace and social justice stuff, not the sexual stuff, just so's you don't think I'm a total prevert)my notion of a good Catholic would be Dorothy Day, the Berrigan brothers, Cesar Chavez or Martin Sheen.

My notions of a bad Catholic would basically be a four way tie between Genaralissmo Franco, Pius XII, Father Shanley and Satan.

[LostInAnomie]

2. Sure he is...

...just like Torquemada was.

I get so tired of that shit. It has become so common place to insult liberals on matter of faith that we don't even challenge it anymore. FUCK YOU WOLF!

[MADem]

3. You cannot support the death penalty and be a good Catholic

JP2 said so.

[pscot]

5. How can a lousy human being like Novak

be a "good" catholic. Is church-every-sunday enough to qualify?

[morgan2]

6. ya he's a great catholic

Always doing whats best for his organizations. Self-righteous, hateful and hypocritical, I believe he exemplifies what the Catholic Church stands for.

[Joey Liberal]

7. Wolf is a PANSY

How the hell did he get that name "Wolf" anyway? He needs to work for Faux News. Fuck him.

[cestpaspossible]

18. Is

that his real name?

[ChrisPhx]

9. There was more to the discussion

There was more immediately after the above quotation. And then much later in the show there was the following:

"...BLITZER: I think it's fair to say, Judy, two very good Catholics.

(LAUGHTER)

BEGALA: Sorry to jump on you like that.

BLITZER: Excellent Catholics joining us.

NOVAK: OK. Thank you.

WOODRUFF: And influential individuals.

(LAUGHTER)

BEGALA: Well, I hope not.

(LAUGHTER)

WOODRUFF: All right. Thank you both very much, Paul Begala, Bob Novak.

BEGALA: Thanks, Judy. Thanks, Wolf..."

For me it is impossible to imagine someone with extreme right wing positions is a "good" and "true" adherent of any major religion, since most of the basic beliefs are the same across all of them.

[ChrisPhx]

10. The complete first part and a link

"BLITZER: While they were united today in mourning the death of the pope, U.S. Catholics are a diverse group, as illustrated by two of our "CROSSFIRE" co-hosts, the conservative Robert Novak, the liberal Paul Begala, both good Catholics -- I don't know if good Catholics -- but both Catholics. I am sure Bob is a good Catholic. I am not sure about Paul Begala.

PAUL BEGALA, CO-HOST, "CROSSFIRE": Well, now, who are to you pass moral judgment on my religion, Mr. Blitzer?

BLITZER: All right, go ahead. Go ahead.

(LAUGHTER)

BEGALA: My goodness gracious, on the day of my Holy Father's funeral. My eldest son is named John Paul after the pope.

BLITZER: So you are -- so you are a good Catholic.

BEGALA: I am serious. Actually, that annoys me. I don't think anybody should presume that a liberal is not a good Catholic.

ROBERT NOVAK, CO-HOST, "CROSSFIRE": Paul -- Paul -- Paul is a good Catholic.

BEGALA: The Holy Father is liberal.

And, in fact, when Carlos was speaking, I was watching in the green room. Underneath, some producer had written, "Many Catholic doctrines are conservative." Absolutely correct. Many are liberal as well. The Holy Father bitterly opposed President Bush's war in Iraq.

He came to St. Louis -- and I was there -- and he begged America to give up the death penalty. President Bush strongly supports it, as did President Clinton and others. Many of the Holy Father's views, my church's viewers are views are extraordinarily liberal. I mean, the pope talked about savage, unbridled capitalism, not Bob Novak's capitalism.

(CROSSTALK)

BLITZER: I was only teasing.

BEGALA: OK.

BLITZER: Don't be so sensitive.

BEGALA: Well, it's an important day for my faith.

BLITZER: It's a very important day.

BEGALA: He's the only pope of my adult lifetime, so I'm a little emotional.

(CROSSTALK)

BLITZER: It's a very important day for Bob Novak.

Go ahead, Bob.

NOVAK: This was a tremendous political figure, as well as spiritual figure. "

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0504/08/ip.01.html

[cestpaspossible]

11. kick

[jmm]

12. Who the hell if Wolf Blitzer to determine

what a good Catholic is?

[trebizond]

13. Well, he's every bit as good and moral as the Pope...

Assuming, of course, that the Pope in question is Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia)....

[Placebo]

14. The entire transcript is sickening.

Wolf, "was only teasing."

Yeah, sure. :eyes:

Why not tease Novak about not being a good Catholic too? He disagreed with JPII too!

Ugh.

[UTUSN]

15. Now Today/Saturday, NOVAKula Is Talking about His Conversion

It's on Capital Gang. They're showing a clip of him blathering on Crossfire, yelling, with an Ash Wednesday ash on his forehead. Oh, my Zeus!---now they're saying Kate O'BEIRNE was his godmother at his baptism.

[UTUSN]

17. Haha, a MOYNIHAN Joke

There was a reception at NOVAKula's condo after his baptism, and MOYNIHAN said, "Now that (NOVAKula) has become a Catholic, we need to see when he will become a Christian."

Before anybody thinks I am attacking somebody's faith----what I see in NOVAKula and Laura INGRAHAM (who also converted) is that whatever their private faith, their public presentations show little spirituality or humaneness toward others. K?

[ChrisPhx]

19. I disagree

"...what I see in NOVAKula and Laura INGRAHAM (who also converted) is that whatever their private faith, their public presentations show little spirituality or humaneness toward others..."

My observation is that they show a net zero or less spirituality and humaneness toward others (far less than "little")

;-)

[UTUSN]

23. INGRAHAM Is Getting Married to a Blind Date - Having Looked on All Fours

for years, including an affair with Asa HUTCHINSON while the two of them were chasing after CLINTON for his sex life.

I looked for a way to post this yesterday, but it wasn't worth a thread and I couldn't find a hook into politics for GD, but here 'tis.

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04082005/gossip/44082.htm

April 8, 2005 --

LAURA Ingraham's long search for love is finally over. The blond conservative pundit is getting married in late May or early June to Washington businessman James V. Reyes. The two met on a blind date last Memorial Day weekend. Reyes "runs the Washington operation of a privately held family business," a friend said, adding that the couple will live in Washington and also have an apartment in New York. Both places will have room for Reyes' two children from a previous marriage.

********UNQUOTE*******

[ChrisPhx]

24. That's it, they all need to fall in love

Or get a hobby, something to keep their nasty little fingers busy other than on a keyboard writing lies and lies.

[napkinz]

25. Novak and Ingraham converted

What were they and why did they convert? (Did the religious right have any influence in their decision?)

[UTUSN]

26. Why? I'm Guessing Opus Dei, the "In" Power Place to Be

NOVAKula said in yesterday's glowing interview about his conversion that he last had Jewish connections at his bar mitzvah. I missed what religion he did in the looonng adult period of his life. They mentioned he and his wife trying out an Episcopalian church before the big conversion. Hasn't NOVAKula had on-air meltdowns over being accused of being anti-Semitic?

E.J. DIONNE was on the Capital Gang panel and said that at the Repuke convention NOVAKula was showing off his conversion, that "coverts always try to out-shine the (born members)," went around asking DIONNE whether he had been to mass that day, a (non-Sunday) Holy Day of Obligation (Immaculate Conception day).

Who knows what INGRAHAM was before, probably nothing. BROCK says that INGRAHAM and COULTER never had any deep thoughts, only "bumpersticker political slogans", which would probably extend to religion as well.

[cestpaspossible]

27. Novak

was a Jew prior to his conversion.

[walldude]

20. A good Catholic?

I was going to post an Altar Boy joke here but I don't want to offend any Catholics... The Pope may have been misguided but he seemed like a decent sort. As far as Novack goes the guy is a traitor and should be in prison.

[ChrisPhx]

21. Yes

Amen to that!

Outing a CIA agent is very serious indeed.

[MrSandman]

22. Is Robert Novak good?...

on edit...

Poor in content, but what the heck is the difference between a good Catholic or a good(insert favorite)?

I never knew he was Catholic until this post and haven't agreed with anof his analyses that I remember.