Anyone here gloating? Anyone here yelling, "we told you so"?

[CatWoman]

I'm not.

I'm quite sad at the state of our nation.

Look at all of the bad news posted in LBN.

DU stood at the forefront in predicting all of the damage Bush would do to the world, and yes, to this country.

Our prophecies are coming true. And it's finally making its way into the mainstream. Yet there's no room for gloating. Not by me anyhow.

[Parche]

1. gloat

Oh Meow!!!

Yes it is sad, I dont want to see anything bad happen to the US

But I do want them to learn a BIG lesson by all of this, and never
let this happen again

[Deja Q]

42. The sheeple you mean?

I've seen MANY republicans, otherwise GREAT people, say "I can see why they need to cut funds but from us?" They must be thinking that those they vote for have ethics or dignity or something. a pity, really.

[Karenina]

43. In Princip,

I don't want to see anything "bad" happen either. Some of my best friends... u.s.w. However, I am aware too many born in da Land of the NWO Arbeit macht frei are dumber than a box o' rocks ill-informed, miseducated and have never even considered that they MIGHT need to get a clue (put aside that Ami "exceptionalism" and all) that their country is leading the world into a horrific abyss.

At this very late date it WILL take a major, mighty, hard and fast SLAP INTO NEXT WEEK to roust them from their stupor. Hell, I thought Enron would do it and TODAY there's DELAY. Kids be coming home from the military with their brains SCRAMBLED, funds to help them are cut to -0- while *blivet blithers on about an animated corpse... next thing, he announces a FUNERAL be the high point of his pretzelduncy... And dem dat GOT some sense been rendered impotent by the *marketeers! I mean a WHOLE LOTTA UPRIGHT, WELL-INFORMED, CREDENTIALED, ARTICULATE MENSCHLICH FOLK! (I wanna have Ray McGovern's lub-chile :evilgrin: )

Amis got HELL to pay. La Paloma crashing might be a "lessening of karmic retribution" :x(:

[Nite Owl]

2. Nothing to gloat about

however I do wish that the dems would say that they did not agree with his policies and that what they wanted would have worked out. Sort of I told ya so but the repukes will just let all of them be clumped together if they don't constantly differentiate.

[buff2]

3. I'm not gloating.....

But I am mighty pissed off that the people I talked to about this scenerio before the election.....DIDN'T LISTEN.I have a sister who won't speak to me because of her boy bu$h and an uncle who took down all our pictures and put bu$h's up. He lives in a retirement center,so he only has one room,but the ignorant bu$h lover even put my dog's picture away. ALL BECAUSE OF BU$H! :grr:

[CatWoman]

4. I'm right there with you

in that I had so many arguments with friends and family, only to be called a "Bush hater".

Oh, well..........

[purr]

5. same here with my in-laws! n/t

[Up2Late]

26. Wow, is that a sphinx?

I hope you live some place warm, for the cat's sake. Are they Hypo-allergenic? :wow:

Hey look, they added another new Smiley:patriot:"patriot":woohoo:

[rocktivity]

34. Thanks, Up2Late

I found the patriot smiley and sent it in. Skinner said he liked it, but I didn't he put it up until the next time he updated the list!

:patriot:
rocknation

[buff2]

15. My name is buff2......

and I'm a bu$h hater. Can you imagine how humiliating it is to see you and your kids pictures tucked away and pictures of BU$H all over the place? Other quarrels with my uncle has made up my mind to never set foot in his room again.He is a rightwing fundie and I can't and I WON'T tolerate his bu$h worshiping.....it's just plain SICK. :puke:

[Ladyhawk]

41. It was part of the problem that led me to cut off family ties.

There were other problems, too, but I just couldn't get over the "bush whoreship" of my entire family. My brother the Ayn Rand Objectivist and my mother the fundy get along really well: a microcosm of the neoconservative movement. Religion and greed are bound to the word "Republican" and for now they are the best of friends.

[Lost Texan in NC]

13. Did anyone else hear

:smoke:

A statistic on CNN that 15% of the people that voted for Da Furor Bu$h, Wish they hadn't. I just caught the tail end of the poll, so I'm not sure of the %

[tnlefty]

19. Welcome Lost Texan in NC! I didn't hear it and it's probably a

good thing. It's just too little too late, huh? I need to find my tv bricks.

[Lost Texan in NC]

24. Thanks

:smoke:

Man I really like this place. Other sites I've posted on, treat you like an idiot if your new. I guess they forgot they were new once. Hope you all don't mind, I'll be chiming in alot.

[CatWoman]

25. no need for that here

we were all "newbies" once :D

Again, welcome!! :hi:

[walldude]

45. Welcome to DU, Lost Texan!

We only treat people like idiots if they deserve it... hehe :toast:


*edit* oooh I just noticed I cracked 900 posts, gonna have to come up with a biggie for my 1000th

[ncrainbowgrrl]

66. Hi Lost Texan in NC!

Welcome to DU! I'm always glad to see more people from NC here! :hi:

Please do chime in... that's what this site's here for!

[Lost Texan in NC]

68. We need more

:smoke:

people in NC on here. if we pool our collective thoughts we may be able to attract the other 3 free thinkers in NC to join us.

[The Gunslinger]

50. and 15% that voted for Kerry wished thier votes had been counted. nt

[tnlefty]

57. Welcome Gunslinger!

Just don't shoot me OK?

[The Gunslinger]

60. Thanks.

I won't shoot, I promise.

[deutsey]

6. And now we're the ones who will have start picking up the pieces

and clean this mess up. That sucks even more than the mess Bush has made, but the nimrods who support these tyrants certainly aren't going to do it.

[0007]

16. That's why it is important to support this website.

[Binka]

7. Gloating? Hell Fuckin No. I Am Just So Fuckin Distressed.

Beyond stress now distressed. Upset, needy, and depressed YES. Good hearted folk NEVER rejoice when bad times hit. No we just don't do that kind of thing.

I am sad beyond belief. Grieving really Cat.

[NNN0LHI]

8. Gloat about thousands of innocent people dying?

No, I don't think so.

Don

[CatWoman]

10. Well, Don

you know that's how RW'ers label us.

Any form of criticism and vindication is immediately spun into "gloating".

[NYC]

9. What the hell did you expect?

I don't say, "I told you so." I say, "What the hell did you expect?"

I don't want to hear people's complaints. I tried to prevent them; now we're all stuck with the problems. I have no patience for anyone who couldn't see Bush for what he was.

[CatWoman]

11. I just left the gas station

and those SUV drivers looked MIGHTY pissed.

[Lost Texan in NC]

27. Pissed off SUV'ers

:smoke:

They weren't pissed. They can afford to drive them big GG's. Up here where I live, even the lower middle class drive them. Stupid wanna be's

[NYC]

44. Okay, that proves it.

I am the type to gloat.

[CatWoman]

46. LOLOL

:D

[hatrack]

49. And to every dark cloud, there's a silver lining . . .

:evilgrin:

[Jesus Saves]

12. Just say no to gloating

[tnlefty]

14. More like MAD AS HELL and it gets worse everyday!

But I gotta take it some more 'cause the dumbshit bushbots** gave us 4 more years of this to contend with!

I'm causing road rage all over the place with bumperstickers and I can't wait 'til my new ones come in! My boys and I smile and wave at those who scream, wag fingers, shake fists, froth at the mouth and it makes them even madder. Our goal is at least 1 exploding head and we won't rest until we get 1!!!!

[USAcitizen]

17. No I am not Gloating

I am afraid, Very afraid. I am afraid because the right-wing sheep still don't see it. They still love this man. And if the truth be told, they would vote him into a third term if they could. Bottom-line, most Americans are DUMB!

[tnlefty]

20. Welcome USAcitizen!

:hi:

[USAcitizen]

22. Gee, thanks! I feel so at home here. N/T

[Karenina]

38. Welcome to DU, USAcitizen!!!

:hi: :toast: :hi:

I'm one too though my perspective comes from having been a long-term resident across the big pond. I jes' cain't buhlieve Amis be SO DING-DONG SLOW!!!! Downthread I refer to cleaning up my disc (Ahhh, Frühling) wallowing around in moldy files from 2002. Here's a bit from The Sunday Herald. (I left the other headlines in at the top for "flavor" ;-) )

Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President
By Neil Mackay

Al-Qaeda 9/11 mastermind captured
From Aamir Ashraf in Karachi

Blair declares war on democracy
We may be on the road to war with Iraq, but have we bypassed democracy on the way? By MP and former SNP leader Alex Salmond

Black Sabbath for Wee Frees as Sunday travel looms
It started in the children's playparks ... now jets, boats and the loose morals of the royal family are threatening island life
By Mike Merrit

MSP challenges Executive on Gulf war syndrome
By Alan Crawford Political Correspondent

Unveiled: the radical visions for Royal Mile
Trams and a funicular railway among the proposals from leading young architects
By Alan Crawford

£20m start to reclaim derelict land
But investment will only tackle 100 of the thousands of hectares of land left vacant or contaminated by past industries
By Rob Edwards Environment Correspondent

More doom than bloom
Alan Taylor's diary


Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President
By Neil Mackay


A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'

The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.

This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.

The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.

The *PNAC report also:

* refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';

* describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';

* reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;

* says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';

* spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';

* calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;

* hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';

* pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.

Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.

'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'

http://www.sundayherald.com/27735

©2002 smg sunday newspapers ltd. no.176088. all rights reserved.

[newyawker99]

31. Hi USAcitizen!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[USAcitizen]

32. Thanks, Glad to be here. n/t

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

18. if they accuse us of gloating

aren't they agreeing we were right?

[USAcitizen]

33. I don't know....

of any rightie that would confess that we are right. Does anyone know of any rightie that actually say we are gloating?

[Schema Thing]

21. Actually, I think Wes Clark said it for both himself and all of us

in his testimony on Wed., at least as regards Iraq.

And with just the right tone, I might add. It didn't sound like gloating, but he made sure his previous words were remembered.

[rodeodance]

23. very little to gloat about yet

[Schema Thing]

47. HUH???

WTF does that mean?

[fujiyama]

28. There's nothing to gloat about

We're all getting fucked under this administration.

[solinvictus]

29. Hell, I wish we were wrong at this point,

and I wish the Chimperor would have turned the economy around, but we knew that would never happen.

[Mz Pip]

30. I was thinking "Told you so"

2 months into the Shrub's 1st term. Don't see that much has changed. People still aren't paying attention.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Raksha]

35. Not "gloating" exactly.

I'm not sure what word exactly to use for what I'm feeling. But I knew things had to get bad, REALLY bad, before the hardcore Bush supporters would wake up--assuming they ever do wake up.

Remember, these are people who COULD have seen that there was no evidence to support the existence of Saddam's WMDs, just as we did. Sure, some people were taken in, know they were taken in and they're angry about it now. But these folks probably didn't vote for Bush the second time around anyway. Anyone who did WANTS to be conned, asked for it, begged for it. I am well aware that the corporate media is very quiet when it comes to the sins of the Bush administration, doesn't do specials on the PNAC and said next to nothing for months about the stolen election. But anyone could have seen Bush making a fool of himself in the debates, and anyone who voted for him after that is a hardcore koolaid drinker who needs the political/economic equivalent of a bucket of ice water over the head.

People like that are not simply being conned by the Republican noise machine and the corporate media, although I don't discount that aspect of the situation either. They are active participants in their own self-deception--possibly because of racism, homophobia, hatred of liberals, fear of terrorists, or some other murky combination of those factors. I'm not one of them, so I don't really understand how they think and don't want to either.

I knew after Bush "won" the last election that the ONLY thing that could possibly wake the hardcore koolaid drinkers up was to experience real pain. Not somebody else's pain. Their OWN pain! Unfortunately, this means the rest of us have to suffer high gas prices (to name just the latest outrage) and all the other completely predictable consequences of the Bush mafia's "administration."

I wish there was some way only Bush voters had to suffer, but unfortunately it doesn't work that way. But we libs should definitely say "I told you so," and say it LOUD and say it OFTEN!

[enid602]

36. loss

Ask the people of Argentina how hard it is to regain economic losses caused by a government which mismanges its currency and finances. Ask the people of Iran who hard it is to regain liberties and GDP once the Mullahs have taken over. No gloating here . . . just sadness for what has been and will be lost.

[Karenina]

37. I just cleaned out my files

Here's an oldie but goodie from SoCalDem in response to this issue:

http://bernie.house.gov/documents/releases/20021209141818.asp

SoCalDem (12289 posts) Dec-11-02, 10:30 AM (ET)
Reply to post #2
4. I heard this on the radio last night..

Sadly, this is just phase 2 of the republican "plan"..

401=k raids were part one..
pensions are part two..
"reform" of SS is part three
"reform" of tax code is part four..

There will be no need for part five.. People over 55 can work at McDonalds until their walker won't fit between the fryer and the drive thru window....


These are the same folks who "reformed" the interest deduction away from taxpayers.. (You young uns don't know this..you USED to be able to deduct that auto & credit card interest)..

These people also paved the way for Enron and all the biggies to STEAL BILLIONS of retirement dollars form their own workers..

Instead of ..."He gassed his own people".... we should start a NEW mantra...

.."The CEOS & POLS stole YOUR retirement money"....

ps..

Insurance is NEXT.... enjoy the ride...


(SoCalDem ALWAYS been and ever will be ALL THAT and a bag o' chips)!

[eek MD]

39. Why on earth would i gloat....i have to live with his mess. :)

All we can do is keep fighting for what's right, and hope the "masses" wake out of their "stupor".... :)

[Old and In the Way]

40. Like the First Mate on the Titanic that told the Captain he ought to

slow down and alter course to port....sucks to be right.

[CatWoman]

48. I see my "friends" across the way has posted this thread on their site

:hi: motherfuckers!!!!!!!

[tnlefty]

56. Who? And would you give them a big FU for me if you can?

Just smile while you're doing it so that it'll be a little easier to take. My kids are not old enough to have jobs yet, but they're in debt and they know it, too. They've also commented on the decline of their schools during the tenure of Bush** so they know they're double-plus screwed!!! Good for them.

Ten Commandment hawking, lying, SOB - why don't they move to impeach this fake christian hero-boy of theirs? They've done a really good job of making my kids question whether there is a god or not. Is this what they intended?

Gas prices? I tell my kids to fart in a jug and see how far that gets us.

[CatWoman]

59. can't post the link here (it's verboten)

but will DU mail it to you ASAP

:hi:

[DemBeans]

51. Not gloating

I've known too many people who have been hurt by the incompetence of this administration, either financially or because they have loved ones in the Imperial Army. I know two National Guard families who are really suffering, both financially and emotionally, with the multiple deployments.

We all knew this shit would go down, and I'm angry more than gloating.

[More Than A Feeling]

52. No, not now.

I might in high spirits on the day we regain some measure of control over the government, but until then, no.

[mattclearing]

53. This post is so dead on.

You are right. We are right. We were right. And yet, it is all so wrong.

America has been had. We all bear collective responsibility because we let it happen on our watch.

The fact that we called it, saw it coming, and fought it does not change the fact that we did not prevail.

We blew it. The world is worse for our failure.

We will have to redouble our efforts.

[tnlefty]

61. Forgive me in advance...I voted for the native son, Al Gore in

2000. I tried to beg, plead, reason with all around me prior to the invasion of Iraq that it was the wrong thing to do and it fell on deaf ears. I talked, plead, begged, got angry, yelled, etc. prior to the election in '04 so I don't really feel responsible for the dumb fucks who didn't get it, refused to see it, refused to process information, 'cause they were so mean spirited, hateful, down with war and torture, etc.

I'm sorry, but I don't think that I share this same great responsibilty.

Edited to add: I wrote letters, called senators, etc. prior to the vote on the IWR, marched in rallies locally, and on and on.....

This rests squarely on the shoulders of BUSH**, his administration and those who gave him money for his campaign and those who voted for him.

[mattclearing]

71. You obviously didn't convince enough of your neighbors.

Or Gore would have carried his home state.

Voting is bare minimum.

[Bouncy Ball]

54. I keep wanting to be wrong.

I wanted to be wrong about WMDs. I wasn't. I was anything but wrong about that.

No, I am not happy. Haven't been since Chimpy McCokespoon was selected by the Supreme Court in 2000. It's gotten worse and worse and worse.

And we're only a few months into 2005. That's what makes me go :scared:

[derby378]

55. I tried telling everyone on this evangelical Christian board...

Unfortunately, they kicked me off the board. Accused me of being a troll. My use of the word "bloody" as an adjective didn't help.

[Lilith Velkor]

58. Well, if by "gloating" you mean

...sobbing hysterically into my beer and shreiking "I told you but you didn't LISTEN you fucking dumbfucks now we're fucking screwed" over and over, then yes, I suppose I am. x(

[Ironpost]

62. Gloating, hell I'm screaming

[mvd]

63. Well, I don't often get the chance

My parents and my grandfather (I'm close to all of them) are all Democrats. No problems with friends or other relatives I see a lot. My dentist, Donna, is a Democrat. I don't talk any politics with my doctor. My house cleaner is a fundie, but she probably would say it's a sign of the Rapture. :eyes:

[BuyingThyme]

64. We can't gloat because nothing has changed.

We had the truth then and we have the truth now.

You can't gloat in the presence of people who are incapable of seeing the truth. To do so is like yelling at the TV set.

(Not that there's anything wrong with yelling at the TV set...or with gloating.)

[BattyDem]

65. No ...

but I know a few Bush supporters and when they start bitching about SS, the economy, the price of gas, healthcare costs, etc., I say to them - in a very calm tone - "Don't bitch to me. I don't want to hear it. Just like you didn't want to hear it all those times I tried to warn you about him. I bet you don't think I'm crazy anymore, do you?" :evilgrin:

[journalist3072]

67. Buyer's regret

I do like to be able to gloat once in a while. And I can only say that I hope anyone who cast their vote for Bushie has buyer's regret.

[enigmatic]

69. No, just melancholy...

I'm an Expat in Canada; came here a few months before 9/11. I love my big, beautiful mess of a country, but have watched it crumble into a heap, and it kills me.

[B Calm]

70. You'd think that Bush supporters would be ashamed to

have on their automobiles Bush/Cheney bumber stickers. I laugh my ass off whenever I still see one.

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. I can't laugh at people with Bush/Cheney bumper stickers.

First, my blood pressure goes through the roof, then I call them every name in the book and then I pull in front of them so they can read my "DRAFT YOUNG REPUBLICANS", Don't Enron-ize Social Security", Keep Your Theocracy OFF My Democracy", "Dear Troops, Wish you were here", "Just Say No To Fascism", "Support Bush? ENLIST NOW! Our Troops are DYING for your support in Iraq." and "LIBERAL and PROUD of it."

They ALL should be ashamed of themselves for supporting this regime. I intend to MAKE them ashamed. Damn fools. :grr:

[Deja Q]

72. All the pain, deaths, famine, starvation, suffering...

All due to lopsided thinking and nobody bothering to put real funds into alternative sources.

Apart from Carter, who too many people think was a bad president - may they rot in hell, along with Reagan who summarily dismantled Carter's energy programs. Of this I am absolute, I often prefer working with people for the common good but energy is not a fuckin' disposable commodity. Period.