What's with the Kerry bashing? Following in the footsteps of GOP Nazi Hate

[radwriter0555]

Radio, are we? How fascinating!

Blaming KERRY for being personally and professionally destroyed by the most criminal, lying, murderous, thiefing, stealing, corrupt regime the WORLD has ever seen and you all continue to do their work for them?

How kind and insightful of you all!

Senator Kerry remains one of the top 5 most honorable and credible democrats holding office today in this nation. He's one of the last remaining with honor, truth and dignity on his side.

He remains a brilliant statesman who has indeed spent his life for the good of public service, with an astonishing record of being on the side of WE THE PEOPLE. That in and of itself is one of the rarest deeds a politician can be credited with. He's never sold out, he's never lied, and his legislation is always about his constituency. He has no scandals to his name, and is a literal boy scout with nothing, ever impuning his credibility and life public service.

You may not agree with some of the things he's saying right now. The man was pillaged, pilloried, roasted and burned at the stake by the right wing gop Nazis, for being A GOOD MAN. And you all, in your bashing and hatred and subtle slip to the right, are siding with the enemy and doing their dirty work.

Shame.

Shame.

Shame.

[bryant69]

1. Well, i'm not sure if I buy the picture of Kerry you are pushing

And I suspect many will express their disapproval in very strong terms.

That said, I do think that some on here could cut him a little slack. He certainly is better than most of his colleagues.

Bryant
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[deutsey]

2. I agree with you.

I'm personally not a big fan of Kerry, but he's done a lot of good in his time.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. ".honor, truth, dignity.." Tell it to the dead in the war he voted for.

He's an ambitious, opportunistic, politician of the worst kind.

[ArkDem]

11. He isn't thiefing, though.

[KurtNYC]

4. I think we would get more done if we organized

around issues rather than people.

[Katidid]

8. Hear, Hear ... n/t

[bowens43]

5. Kerry is ok but he ran a stupid campaign

and we are paying the price for it.

[Horushawk]

9. I agree

Kerry should of ran a smarter campaign. Kerry fell on his sword too soon.

[radwriter0555]

22. How was his campaign STUPID? He had to spend EVERY MOMENT addressing

the lies of the gop nazis...

what SHOULD he have done when he was being lied about, his wife excortiated, his daughters made to be whores?

What SHOULD HE HAVE DONE? He should have ignored the lies? How does one do that?

[Mist]

6. It's simply indicative of huge disappointment. n/lt

[MadHound]

7. LOL, does it never end?

After bullying and browbeating those of us on the left into voting ABB(many against our better judgement), the Kerry Commandos are now trying to silence any and all criticism, legit or otherwise, and insist that we worship their flawed candidate, even beyond the election. Not suprising this, but disappointing none the less.

Look, Kerry ran a deeply flawed campaign, and allowed his opponent to define his campaign actions. And in the face of blatant voter disenfranchisement in Ohio and elsewhere, was tellingly silent, until outside pressure forced him into a token acknowledgement of the theft. How is it that the candidate with the most to win by an Ohio investigation remained silent until well after those who had nothing to gain except justice, the Greens and Nader, were the ones who were most vocal about this theft?

Would Kerry have made a better president than Bush? Undoubtedly so, though the margin of how much better is open for debate. But this does not make the man a god to be worshiped. He ran a deeply flawed campaign that disappointed many, and his positions on the issues left many of us with a bad taste in our mouths. His voting record in the past few years actually made him more a part of the problem than part of the solution.

The campaign is over friend, so give it a rest. We will criticize those who we feel deserve it, no matter what their former activities, and the rubric of ABB dissolved into thin air the minute the campaign was over. And to accuse those of us on the left who are criticizing Kerry of sliping to the right and siding with the enemy is disingenous and hypocritical, since we have seen how far to the right not only Kerry, but the entire Democratic party has gone in the past decade. Perhaps you need to remove that log from your eye, before talking about the beam in mine.

[Dawgs]

14. Bitterness...

I think your rant proves quite a bit. It seems to me that all of the Kerry haters, which is exactly what you've guys have become, are bitter because he wasn't your man. It's like the guy needs to apologize for winning the candidacy. And your attitude of, 'well now that he lost I can attack him for not being my guy' is really childish.

Maybe you should join his email list to see how far to the right he has gone. At least twice a week I am receiving an email from the Kerry camp that defends our rights and asks for our help.

The three biggest arguments I hear against Kerry are that he conceded too early, he voted for the war, and he ran a poor campaign. First of all, he didn't vote for the war. If you disagree, then skip to the end, because you are obviously lost in your own agenda.

The conceded too early and ran a poor campaign arguments are related... at least I think so. Yes, Kerry should have defended himself more against the SBVT, but when he finally did it certainly didn't change anything. The media decided to use these guys and nothing was going to change that. Kerry's campaign was screwed because of the "media's" love for Bush. This was only one example of many.

Now, for one minute think about Kerry not conceding. He would have been labeled, for the rest of his life, as a crybaby loser that couldn't get over not winning. The media would have had a field day with this. We would still be hearing the jokes about Kerry. For Christ's sake, the republicans(media) where already starting to attack him for not conceding that following morning.

Again, I think your comments here say it all.

"After bullying and browbeating those of us on the left into voting ABB(many against our better judgement), the Kerry Commandos are now trying to silence any and all criticism, legit or otherwise, and insist that we worship their flawed candidate, even beyond the election. Not suprising this, but disappointing none the less."

Are you saying that you wanted to vote for Bush? I know your not, but you act like everyone made you vote for Kerry. Get over yourself. Dean, Clarke, Kucinich didn't win the primaries. You are obviously bitter for your guy not winning. If you wanted to vote for someone else then that only helps Bush get elected. We all know that. Your ABB argument is weak. Also, nobody is insisting you worship Kerry, just support those that are fighting for us.

[MollyStark]

15. The best paragraph in your post

"After bullying and browbeating those of us on the left into voting ABB(many against our better judgement), the Kerry Commandos are now trying to silence any and all criticism, legit or otherwise, and insist that we worship their flawed candidate, even beyond the election. Not suprising this, but disappointing none the less."

[Dawgs]

17. Again...

Show me where anyone has insisted Kerry be worshiped. You guys are really pathetic and BITTER.

[MadHound]

18. Bitterness? Now that's a laugher friend!

If I'm so damn bitter, where are the threads that I'm starting criticizing Kerry? Why is it that the Kerry sychophants are the ones who continue to dredge this up time and time again? Why is it, in a nation whose national past time is criticizing politios, that the Kerry supporters are calling for Kerry to be somehow off limits?

Dude, I'm beyond the damn election, I responded to this thread because I find it outrageous that there are still people living in the past when there is so damn much to be done now, and for the future. And that you are twisting the facts of Kerry's record to suit your own purposes is telling. Much more telling is that in the land of the free, and the home of the First Amendment, you are wanting to stifle your opponents. Think about it.

Look you've got your take on the matter, I've got mine. If you don't like what I say, you are free to debate me on it. But you have no damn right to call for me to be quiet. I'm sorry your man lost, believe me. But Kerry brought in on partly himself. He did run a poor campaign, on this most political experts agree, you just have to point to one incident, the Swift Boat Vetrans, as an example on how poorly he handled matters, and how he let his opponents define his camnpaign. As for not conceding, did I mention anything about that? No, you're putting words in my mouth, so stop it, OK. What I am criticizing is Kerry's unwillingness to call for an investigation into voter fraud in Ohio and elsewhere, until it was too little, too late. If you think that he would have been called names, so damn what? Most people would have been pleased with his actions if he had taken them, and damn, he might have actually won! Wow, what a concept, a man fighting for and winning the election. Something that we haven't seen from the Democrats in a damn long time.

I'm not bitter that my man didn't win in the primaries. What I'm bitter about is that what a once considered my party is leaving me behind, moving further to the right, and becoming part of the two party/same corporate master system of government under which we now live. Kerry exemplified this during his campaing, and with his actions before the campaign. That is what I'm bitter about. If you like the pro-corporate direction that the Democratic party, and this country is taking, fine, that is your perogative. But I will fight it till I die.

But again, I find it telling that you choose to focus your energies and critiques on matters of the past. Wake the fuck up, this is the here and now, and we're going downhill quick. Forget the past, it is over and done. We've got too many damn problems to have the luxury of wishing for, or squabbling over, what might have been.

[Dawgs]

21. Once again, your post is filled with a bunch of generalizations...

not one fact about how the Democratic party is moving to the right.

Why do Kerry supporters dredge this up? Well, how about comments like 'I will never support him again', 'He betrayed me', 'he is moving to the right'. As you may have forgotten, this is DEMCTRATIC Underground. Are you saying I shouldn't defend a Democrat from comments like this?

'The election has nothing to do with it.' As a matter of fact, it's the Kerry haters that keep bringing up what Kerry did in the election. It's the Kerry supporters that are trying to get past it, and focusing on his recent accomplishments.

Where did I call for you to be quiet, and nobody is putting words in your mouth... so get over yourself. If you want to generalize about all Kerry supporters, then I can generalize about all Kerry haters.

Kerry getting called names is one thing, but being embarrassed nationally just to please some of us here on DU is another. I don't fault the guy one bit. Once he starts fighting against me, and what I think is right, then I will take your side. Until then I will defend him. I have no problem looking past some of his faults. Apparently you want the perfect Democrat that thinks and acts just like you. Unless you are planning to run for office, that person doesn't exist.

"But again, I find it telling that you choose to focus your energies and critiques on matters of the past."

Again, I am fighting for Kerry against attacks now. I am fighting for Kerry because he is actually on our side. I am fighting for Kerry because all of the attacks are based on facts from the PAST, not for his actions of late.

"Wake the fuck up... and we're going downhill quick" - If we continue to fight those that are on our side then we will. You tell me to wake the fuck up, well how is giving up on our own going to change a goddamn thing?

You wake the fuck up... and quit being so damn BITTER!!!

[radwriter0555]

23. Well said. Kerry won my vote LATER in his campaign because I LISTENED

to him and paid attention to his work.

You've said some really good things here. Kerry is a good man and isn't deserving of these freeper-like lies and attacks.

[sendero]

10. Since Kerry was unable to stand up for himself..

... I'll be damned if I'll stand up for him any more.

[Dawgs]

16. When did Kerry not stand up for himself?

It was not his place to attack the system the day after the elections. He would have been destroyed by everyone, except for those on DU. Face it, the rest of America does not think like us.

It would have gotten really ugly, and it would have only pissed us all off. Could you imagine anyone in the media taking his side? Every news show in America would have been laughing at Kerry for trying to fight this battle. I know it's easy for many of you to say that you would have done it, but look where your sitting.

I'll go with Kerry's decision before I go with yours.

[sendero]

19. I've heard that argument before...

... and I'm telling you flat out:

I'm not running for president. I did not ask for and get millions of dollars from constituents. What I can do or did do is a red herring. Try to think logically if it's in you.

Someone is going to have to take this issue on. If Kerry is not man enough, maybe we will someday find someone who is. We aren't going to win anything until someone does. Is the media going to get friendly about it on the next election? I don't fucking think so boopie.

So fine, we should sit on our hands and wait until the Repubs get tired of stealing elections. Great stategy, give yourself a pat on the back.

[davidwhite0570]

12. he is a great Senator and man he was duped by the lies

tha admin put out just like most of the world was, he is human and humans make mistakes....you all couldn't deal with half the attacks he had to endure by both parties.....

[sendero]

13. I agree..

... my only point is not again. I think Kerry is a fine man and a great Senator. He just isn't presidential material since he didn't see and deal with the factors that have been obvious to the average DUer since 2002.

I only have a problem with those who wish to rubber stamp him for 2008. He had his shot, it's over.

[seabeyond]

20. continue to do their work for them?

sing it brother/sister

this is how i feel too. i agree

[radwriter0555]

24. Like all the germans under hitler... who were easily swayed and wooed

to if not love the messenger, to hate the ones who were opposed.