XM Share holdings as of 4/05

[xultar]

XM shareholders- shares held 12APR05

GENERAL ELEC CO - 20,367,734
WAL MART STORES INC- 9,724,235
HALLIBURTON CO- 6,655,852
CITIGROUP INC- 5,467,223
JPMORGAN & CHASE & CO- 7,116,845
BOEING CO- 2,309,011
TIME WARNER INC- 5,761,357
DISNEY WALT CO- 2,631,367
CLEAR CHANNEL COMM- 410,043

[Oreo]

1. Wow!

A laundry list of slimey companies! I'm even more glad I cancelled my subscription last month after seeing that.

[hector459]

33. I think GM was GMH (DirecTV) which is now owned by Murdoch

At any rate, XM is in the conservatives' pockets.

[NYCGirl]

34. That's incorrect. Please see Rosco's post #10 for full information. NT

[hector459]

59. I beg to differ. Go to Yahoo finance page. XMSR

TOP INSIDER & RULE 144 HOLDERS
Holder Shares Reported
HUGHES ELECTRONICS CORP 7,268,184 22-Jan-04
HAYWOOD, GEORGE WEAVER 2,915,000 27-May-04
SPECIAL ADVRS FD I LLC 619,714 19-Jun-03
MADISON DEARBORN SPEC. EQUITY III,LP 610,024 19-Jun-03
EUTENEUER, JOSEPH J. 121,629 23-Mar-05

[Rosco T.]

63. Yahoo can stuff it, I believe the NASDAQ before them.. n/m

[hector459]

66. Trust me, I know about Murdoch/GMH deal. I worked for them.

Murdoch and his minions are behind a lot more than you think.

[tridim]

2. Seriously? Source?

GE - Defense contractor
Wal Mart - RW piece of shit company
Halliburton - No comment necessary
Time Warner - AOhelL
Disney - RW company that wouldn't distribute F9/11 for political reasons.
Clear Channel - No comment necessary

This AAR deal stinks to high heaven. XM becomes AAR's exclusive network.. Doesn't air the entire lineup. As time goes on they cut more shows and add their own "Liberal" folks.. Maybe they can give Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman a show!

[Maat]

6. You hit the nail on the head.

As soon as the deal was announced, and I heard about here at DU, I turned to my husband and said, "This deal stinks to High Heaven!"

And, I've been checking into where the Wal-Mart heirs' dollars go to - it isn't good. They appear to be Fundie wingnuts.

[xultar]

7. I got this from the Sirius Backstage MB. I'm looking for a better

source as we speak.

[NYCGirl]

14. The Sirius messageboard? NT

[xultar]

39. Check out Sirius Backstage

Http://www.siriusbackstage.com

Go to the forums and click on the News & Enetertainment section. There's a lively discussion on this event.

[NYCGirl]

41. Yes, I'd take XM info on a Sirius messageboard with a LARGE grain of salt.

NT

[Rosco T.]

48. Well DUH!! you think they might be a little biased??? n/m

[NYCGirl]

49. Just a itty bitty bit biased, eh? LOL!

:evilgrin:

[bbernardini]

3. Why not post the same for Sirius? You know, to be fair and balanced.

[Maat]

5. I did already check out the Sirius CEO awhile back.

Mel K. His dollars went to the Democrats. The Chairman of the Board sent some to the Rethuglicans; but Mel K's dollars went to the Democrats. When I get a chance, I'll explore more.

[MsTryska]

12. Sirius major shareholder at the moment is

Oppenheimer Funds - it's current rating is Hold - so no ones buying it - imo it's overvalued - and that's at 5 bucks a shares.


Give them time to get it together, and they'll prolly have the very same stockholders on their list....


these holdings oftentimes translate into pension funds, and 401k holdings, and annuities and such.

[Maat]

4. Xultar - you and I were right.

I was the one who stated that I was staying with Sirius. And that I wanted to see how they reacted to the whole thing. Sirius has served me well for over a year, and they are going to continue serving me well. AND how the whole situation this past few days stunk!


I'm still going to stay with Sirius. Howard Stern is anti-Boooosh. The CEO Sirius hired contributed to the Democrats, not the Rethuglicans.

And I was very suspicious, despite others saying that CC had sold out, that those sympathetic to Clear Channel hadn't been on the Board, and weren't still on the Board. Let me do some investigation of the XM Board. I wonder which candidates they donated funds to, and which PACs and 527s, in 2004.

VERY INTERESTING data you have there.

[XOKCowboy]

55. Interesting data for sure. Too bad it's FALSE

Why is everyone trying to demonize XM? Read the posts below.

[Maat]

58. How is it false?

Are you saying that Wal-Mart does not own shares in XM? You see, the percentage of ownership doesn't necessary matter - because institutional investors generally aren't active in putting people on the Board. If it is true that both Wal-Mart and General Electric own millions of shares, then they would be the ones interested in putting people on the Board.

That's what I care about, and am researching. Who is on the Board of Directors of the respective companies, and where did their donations go around the time of the presidential campaign.

I'll post the data on DU when I get it.

I'm not into "demonizing XM." But I'm suspicious of this deal, and its long-term implications. It's a personal decision, but I'm sticking with Sirius for at a year or so.

[Ian David]

8. XM is unfair and unbalanced. Sirius seems much better.

I was thinking about getting satellite radio myself, so now I am leaning toward Sirius as opposed to XM.

Basis for comparison:

Sirius has the following moderate / centrist content:
106 | NPR NOW
107 | NPR TALK
108 | PRI PUBLIC RADIO INTERNATIONAL
140 | ABC NEWS & TALK

Sirius has the following right-wing whack-job content:
141 | SIRIUS PATRIOT CONSERVATIVE VALUES
142 | SIRIUS RIGHT CONSERVATIVE TALK

Sirius has the following progressive / liberal content:
143 | SIRIUS LEFT
144 | AIR AMERICA RADIO ON SIRIUS
149 | SIRIUS OUTQ AMERICA'S GLBT RADIO STATION

More:
http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=Page&cid=1107787276524


Hey, I never knew that Michael Garibaldi from Babylon 5 was a Reich-wing Brownshirt:
The Jerry Doyle Show
Monday to Friday 3 pm - 6 pm ET
Saturday 11 pm - 2 am ET
With a passion for politics and a background in television and movies, Jerry Doyle delivers a show mixed with pop culture, current events, and lots of listener interaction. Jerry's strong opinions, diverse background, and quick wit makes every night lively and entertaining! Reach Jerry at 1.800.876.4123.
http://cdn.sirius.com/servlet/BlobServer?blobtable=ImageAsset&blobcol=urlimage&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1105721201432

Call him and ask him how he likes working for Nightwatch and The Ministry of Peace in real life!


On the other hand, XM Radio has ultra-extremist-far-right-fundies like Focus on the Family:
http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=170

And other hate-mongering bigots like "Doctor" Laura:
http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=165

XM also carries a full menu of Fox "News."

And while XM does carry some Air America content on its America Left channel, it does not have the entire Air America line-up.

Sirius carries both Air America and Sirius Left.

So, unless anyone has a good argument otherwise, I think I will prefer Sirius.

[TheUnspeakable]

11. I LOVE LOVE LOVE your sheep pic!!!!!! n/t

[LeftCoast]

9. I don't really care one way or another about XM or Sirius but lets

be honest here...

Per Yahoo financial page:

Top Shareholders for XM

TOP INSIDER & RULE 144 HOLDERS
HUGHES ELECTRONICS CORP 7,268,184 22-Jan-04
HAYWOOD, GEORGE WEAVER 2,915,000 27-May-04
SPECIAL ADVRS FD I LLC 619,714 19-Jun-03
MADISON DEARBORN SPEC. EQUITY III,LP 610,024 19-Jun-03
EUTENEUER, JOSEPH J. 121,629 23-Mar-05

Top Institutional Holders
United States Trust Company of New York 16,651,422
Wellington Management Company, Llp 15,355,667
Transamerica Investment Management LLC 8,976,714
Legg Mason Inc. 8,775,295
Calamos Advisors LLC 6,022,521
Janus Capital Management, LLC 5,095,229
Jennison Associates LLC 4,427,100
TCW Group, Inc. (The) 31,253,297
FMR Corporation (Fidelity Management & Research Corp) 25,884,978
Axa 4,033,887

Top Shareholders for Sirius

TOP INSIDER & RULE 144 HOLDERS
APOLLO ADVISORS IV LP 157,107,857
CLAYTON, JOSEPH P. 5,118,761
KARMAZIN, MEL 4,500,000
GREENSTEIN, SCOTT ANDREW 1,478,072
MEYER, JAMES E. 1,267,870

Top Institutional Holders

Apollo Management Iv, L.P. 117,569,352
Barclays Bank Plc 26,548,602
Oppenheimerfunds, Inc. 26,003,300
Vanguard Group, Inc. (The) 16,949,046
Jennison Associates LLC 13,479,455
State Street Corporation 10,222,792
TIAA Cref Investment Management, LLC 7,357,117
Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft 4,931,650 0.39 $37,579,173 31-Dec-04
Morgan Stanley 4,615,675
Calpers (California-Public Employees Retirement System) 4,547,100

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Now it may be true that all those evil people own stock in XM but the way you present the 'evidence' is misleading at best. PLEASE people, check this stuff out for yourself. It's called critical thinking. It's a great skill to learn.

[MsTryska]

13. Nice work! i couldn't find it this morning, but i was using

Motleyfool for my info.


looks like essentially Mututal Fund companies for both groups.

[Ian David]

15. Halliburton and Walmart have "Axis of Evil" Multipliers

$1 Million Halliburton Dollars are the "Evil Equivalent" of $100 Million dollars from any other evil corporation.

$1 Million Walmart Dollars are the "Evil Equivalent" of $50 Million dollars from any other evil corporation.

And a $1 Thousand donation to Rick Santorum, Jesse Helms, Tom DeLay or Marilyn Musgrave is the "Evil Equivalent" of $100 thousand donated to any other Republican. Multiply the "Evil-Adjusted Value" by 10 for each of those those four "Most Evil" Republicans that donations are made to.

[Rosco T.]

16. And neither one owns any XM stock (see below)...

[Ian David]

17. This financial stuff confuses me.

I'll come back to this thread and hope someone can explain it in a simple way that I can understand by then.

[MsTryska]

20. Basically

soemone apparently made up a list of Evil Corporations who are major stockholders in XM. This would mean that the Evil Corproations were in control of XM, and it was all wicked RightWing plot to cripple Liberal Radio, since XM has partnered with AAR.


but from the stockholder's lists - clearly the evil companies listed int he OP are not major stockholders of either company.


Many Mutual Fund companies are.

[Rosco T.]

24. Correct... people are spreading false information and this deal..

.. is only 48 hours old. GIVE IT SOME TIME TO SEE HOW IT SHAKES OUT.

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Rosco T.]

32. In Order...

1 - so what. you can block the channel out you don't want to listen to. Sirus carries their share of reich-wing nutcases so what's the diff?

2 - XM is in business. AAR is in business. Nothing OFFICAL announced (and that's what is making me nuts.. this info is 48 hours old) but I would bet dollars to donughts that XM will have the FULL AAR schedule, as well as a second 'left' channel by June 1. I would also bet that they will have a very low cost (maybe even free) equipment offer for people that want to move over. They are in business, NOT STUPID.

3 - Hey! I like Art! He's the reason I got XM in the first place :D

[Ian David]

42. Sorry, but Dobson and Schlesinger are deal-breakers

My money does not go where Dobson and "Doctor" Laura go.

[Rosco T.]

51. You take the same outlook to your cable TV or just not watch the channels.

[Ian David]

54. There are only two satellite radio providers

Only one of those companies carries Dobson and Schlesinger.

That means if we can get that one company to dump them, then Dobson and Schlesinger will be carried by zero satellite radio companies.

That also means we're 50% of the way to achieving the goal of eliminating Dobson and Schlesinger from Satellite Radio.

As for Art Bell, if he were to be kicked off Satellite Radio he would only broadcast telepathically through advanced alien technology anyway, so it would be an exercise in futility.

[MsTryska]

44. Well to echo Rosco....

1. My Cable lineup consists of lots of TV i would never watch - to me satellite radio is the same deal - bandwidth with lots of variety, just like AM/FM/Cable/Satellite TV - nothing i can do about that, nor would i want to.

2. Don't know, but I don't see why not. The way I look at it - Air America is in Pole Position here - they've already got coverage, and want more - and XM wants them because they're getting more and more popular. I just don't see why Air America would make a deal for more coverage of less material. I'm sure the full lineup will wind up playing.


3. Yes. (caveat - i have never listened to Art Bell and frnakly i thought he was dead, but i heard his show was a blast)

[Rosco T.]

10. Let's put this in the proper context with REAL NUMBERS shall we???

this information is less than 10 minutes old as of the time of posting this message..

No Halliburton, No GE, No Wal-Mart, No Clear Channel

http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/Holdings.asp?mode=&kind=&symbol=XMSR&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&FormType=&mkttype=&pathname=&page=holdingssummary&selected=XMSR

Holdings Summary - XMSR- XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. NASDAQ-NM

Total Number of Holders 342
% of Shares Outstanding 93.25%
Total Shares Held 196,697,858
Total Value of Holdings $5,991,416,755
Net Activity 19,943,973

TCW GROUP INC 31,253,297
FMR CORP 12/31/2004 18,596,250
WELLINGTON MANAGEMEN... 15,355,667
TRANSAMERICA INVESTM... 8,976,714
LEGG MASON INC 8,775,295
CALAMOS ADVISORS LLC 6,022,521
JANUS CAPITAL MANAGE... 5,095,229
JENNISON ASSOCIATES ... 4,427,100
AXA 12/31/2004 4,033,887
BARCLAYS GLOBAL INVE... 3,943,716
MORGAN STANLEY 3,601,929
UNITED STATES STEEL ... 3,599,200
BEAR STEARNS & CO IN... 3,330,076
AMERICAN CENTURY INV... 3,299,006
AMERINDO INVESTMENT ... 3,092,442
PRICE T ROWE ASSOCIA... 2,723,700
VANGUARD GROUP INC 2,630,803
ALGER FRED MANAGEMEN... 2,524,774
CITIGROUP INC 2,267,958
PUTNAM INVESTMENT MA... 2,046,499
STATE STREET CORP 1,921,716
COLUMBUS CIRCLE INVE... 1,872,168
WADDELL & REED FINAN... 1,715,750
ARK ASSET MANAGEMENT... 1,610,235
FRANKLIN RESOURCES I... 1,507,430
BANK OF AMERICA CORP... 1,483,461
DENVER INVESTMENT AD... 1,433,835
TUDOR INVESTMENT COR... 1,413,400
HANCOCK JOHN ADVISER... 1,318,200
EASTBOURNE CAPITAL M... 1,192,108
DEUTSCHE BANK AG\ 1,142,399
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC EM... 1,063,794
NEUBERGER BERMAN LLC 1,052,012
SHAW D E & CO INC 1,044,278
BENNETT LAWRENCE MAN... 1,025,149
TIAA CREF INVESTMENT... 987,170
MCKINLEY CAPITAL MAN... 947,762
ESSEX INVESTMENT MAN... 903,348
CALIFORNIA STATE TEA... 859,364
HINTZ EDWARD R 795,900
NORTHERN TRUST CORP 760,781
THORNBURG INVESTMENT... 752,615
JUNDT ASSOCIATES INC... 728,507
ING INVESTMENTS LLC 724,405
KLEINHEINZ CAPITAL P... 715,000
DELAWARE MANAGEMENT ... 712,274
MELLON BANK N A 668,527
MELLON FINANCIAL COR... 665,870
HUSIC CAPITAL MANAGE... 623,220
AMERICAN EXPRESS FIN... 613,052
PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RET.. . 587,493
MERRILL LYNCH & CO I... 516,819
STATE BOARD OF ADMIN... 495,216
CREDIT SUISSE FIRST ... 469,228
GARTMORE GLOBAL ASSE... 468,604
RUSSELL FRANK CO/ 460,796
FIDELITY INTERNATION... 458,900
DRIEHAUS CAPITAL MAN... 453,006
QUEST INVESTMENT MAN... 436,110
GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP ... 418,023
WESTWOOD MANAGEMENT ... 411,800
BBT FUND LP 408,000
EMERALD ADVISERS INC... 399,803
STRONG CAPITAL MANAG... 398,320
THRIVENT FINANCIAL F... 394,400
UBS AMERICAS INC 375,314
TRAINER WORTHAM & CO... 326,175
LIBERTY RIDGE CAPITA... 304,600
ALLIANZ GLOBAL INVES... 301,168
MILLENNIUM MANAGEMEN... 297,515
AMVESCAP PLC/LONDON/ 282,614
MBF CAPITAL MANAGEME... 280,000
CAPITAL ADVISORS INC... 273,100
NORTHERN TRUST CO OF... 255,360
BEDFORD OAK ADVISORS... 251,800
J P MORGAN CHASE & C... 232,037
MWN LTD 230,575
NEW YORK STATE COMMO... 227,900
CITADEL L P 227,899
SUNTRUST BANKS INC 221,607
BAMCO INC /NY/ 217,500
LEGAL & GENERAL GROU... 212,100
SAC CAPITAL ADVISORS... 209,000
NORTHEAST INVESTMENT... 206,705
NATIONAL COMMERCE FI... 200,000
STRS OHIO 199,900
ATLANTIC TRUST GROUP... 199,796
LEHMAN BROTHERS HOLD... 194,255
PARAMETRIC PORTFOLIO... 190,508
INVESCO INSTITUTIONA... 189,700
NAVELLIER & ASSOCIAT... 185,840
MERRILL LYNCH ASSET ... 173,720
A I M MANAGEMENT GRO... 171,500
STICHTING PENSIOENFO... 166,040
NIEDERHOFFER R G CAP... 157,200
AKELA CAPITAL LLC 154,000
GEODE CAPITAL MANAGE... 153,869
LOGAN CAPITAL MANAGE... 153,223
PROFUND ADVISORS LLC 151,962
SMITH SCOTT 150,000
EVEREST CAPITAL LTD 150,000
WACHOVIA CORP NEW 149,758
KELMOORE INVESTMENT ... 147,700
FEDERATED INVESTORS ... 145,000
PEQUOT CAPITAL MANAG... 142,200
LOOMIS SAYLES & CO L... 140,300
IBM RETIREMENT PLAN/... 137,110
HBK INVESTMENTS L P 136,400
SCHWAB CHARLES INVES... 134,255
CONTEXT CAPITAL MANA... 128,287
RS INVESTMENT MANAGE... 126,120
VERIZON COMMUNICATIO... 122,905
WELLS FARGO & CO/MN 108,202
ALLEN HOLDING INC /N... 107,500
PRINCIPLED ASSET ADM... 104,958
FIRST INVESTORS MANA... 104,640
SIT INVESTMENT ASSOC... 101,900
GARTMORE MUTUAL FUND... 99,690
CAMBIUM CAPITAL MANA... 99,600
EDEN CAPITAL MANAGEM... 93,700
TUPELO CAPITAL MANAG... 93,400
PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RET... 91,000
DAVIDSON & GARRARD I... 90,100
LOS ANGELES CAPITAL ... 87,633
THRIVENT INVESTMENT ... 83,800
BUFKA & RODGERS L L ... 81,150
REYNOLDS CAPITAL MAN... 75,500
SMC CAPITAL INC 75,000
CAXTON ASSOCIATES LL... 75,000
CASTLEARK MANAGEMENT... 73,900
NOMURA HOLDINGS INC 72,463
GABELLI ASSET MANAGE... 72,400
ROOSEVELT INVESTMENT... 72,075
BNP PARIBAS SECURITI... 68,201
DFA INVESTMENT DIMEN... 67,817
BB&T ASSET MANAGEMEN... 67,200
OAK ASSOCIATES LTD /... 66,500
STRAUS CAPITAL MANAG... 65,000
NAVELLIER MANAGEMENT... 63,600
NORTHEAST INVESTORS ... 63,000
EDGEWOOD MANAGEMENT ... 61,891
MORGAN ASSET MANAGEM... 60,000
WALL STREET ASSOCIAT... 60,000
HOLMAN JOHN W JR 60,000
WHITEFORD ADVISORS L... 60,000
HSBC HOLDINGS PLC 59,210
RBC ASSET MANAGEMENT... 59,200
COMMONWEALTH OF PENN... 59,200
JS OLIVER CAPITAL MA... 55,875
COLUMBIA PARTNERS L ... 54,955
TEACHERS ADVISORS IN... 53,847
GOFEN & GLOSSBERG LL... 52,683
GENERAL MOTORS INVES... 51,700
SPINNER ASSET MANAGE... 50,000
WS CAPITAL MANAGEMEN... 50,000
HHG PLC 48,733
MFC GLOBAL INVESTMEN... 46,381
STEWART CHARLES MOTT... 45,500
MUNDER CAPITAL MANAG... 45,292
PRINCIPLED CAPITAL M... 43,042
ELLIOTT MANAGEMENT C... 43,000
SELIGMAN J & W & CO ... 42,300
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EATON VANCE MANAGEME... 38,500
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GATEWAY INVESTMENT A... 37,350
TD ASSET MANAGEMENT ... 36,856
KEYBANK NATIONAL ASS... 36,511
SHELL PENSIONS MANAG... 35,381
WILMINGTON TRUST CO 34,955
GW CAPITAL MANAGEMEN... 34,000
BOYD WATTERSON ASSET... 31,980
TOTH FINANCIAL ADVIS... 30,510
RHUMBLINE ADVISERS 30,450
BALYASNY ASSET MANAG... 30,000
BLAIR WILLIAM & CO/I... 29,672
NATIONAL CITY CORP 29,068
OLD MUTUAL ASSET MAN... 26,582
MORSE ROBERT P 26,000
BANCORPSOUTH INC 25,000
PANAGORA ASSET MANAG... 23,100
BOGLE INVESTMENT MAN... 22,800
MORSE WILLIAMS & CO ... 22,700
MACKAY SHIELDS LLC 22,200
M&T BANK CORP 22,150
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BERKELEY CAPITAL MAN... 21,094
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PNC FINANCIAL SERVIC... 20,375
ROTHSCHILD INVESTMEN... 20,250
EXIS CAPITAL MANAGEM... 20,000
HELLMAN JORDAN MANAG... 20,000
EVERETT HARRIS & CO ... 20,000
DAI ICHI MUTUAL LIFE... 19,904
NATIONAL LIFE INSURA... 19,050
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PRUDENTIAL FINANCIAL... 18,294
FULTON BREAKEFIELD B... 17,675
CATAWBA CAPITAL MANA... 17,652
TWIN CAPITAL MANAGEM... 17,560
HANSEATIC MANAGEMENT... 17,500
STONERIDGE INVESTMEN... 17,455
KING R ELIOT & ASSOC... 17,400
COMERICA BANK 16,913
OAK HILL PLATINUM PA... 16,700
RBC DAIN RAUSCHER CO... 15,910
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TRIVIUM CAPITAL MANA... 15,100
QUAKER PARTNERS LLC 15,000
BANK OF NEW YORK /NY... 15,000
ING INVESTMENT MANAG... 14,950
COMPASS BANCSHARES I... 14,850
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FRYE LOUIS CAPITAL M... 13,100
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RODNEY SQUARE MANAGE... 11,350
EVNINE VAUGHAN ASSOC... 11,300
BOURGEON CAPITAL MAN... 11,000
NISA INVESTMENT ADVI... 10,900
HIGHBRIDGE CAPITAL M... 10,866
FIRST AMERICAN BANK 10,385
REGIONS FINANCIAL CO... 10,381
SENA WELLER ROHS WIL... 10,236
RITCHIE CAPITAL MANA... 10,137
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FIRST QUADRANT L P/C... 9,900
CLAYMORE ADVISORS LL... 9,365
BAIRD ROBERT W & CO ... 8,900
WILBANKS SMITH & THO... 8,615
COOLIDGE FRANCIS L 8,200
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OPPENHEIMER & CO INC 7,500
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MURPHY CAPITAL MANAG... 7,400
BANKMONT FINANCIAL C... 7,351
NEW YORK LIFE INVEST... 7,345
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SUMMIT INVESTMENT PA... 6,800
PADCO ADVISORS II IN... 6,720
SOLEN INSURANCE LTD 6,662
BESSEMER GROUP INC 6,332
PENN MUTUAL LIFE INS... 6,250
RAINIER INVESTMENT M... 6,000
FRONTIER CAPITAL MAN... 6,000
EAGLE ASSET MANAGEME... 6,000
MOODY LYNN & CO/ 6,000
DAVENPORT & CO LLC 5,836
PACIFIC ASSETS MANAG... 5,700
STEELE INVESTMENT CO... 5,658
PARADIGM ASSET MANAG... 5,600
HERITAGE INVESTORS M... 5,500
SEI PRIVATE TRUST CO 5,208
DLIBJ ASSET MANAGEME... 4,844
HARTFORD INVESTMENT ... 4,730
US BANCORP \DE\ 4,408
INVESCO ASSET MANAGE... 4,246
DRESDNER BANK AG /FI 3,267
ADVANTUS CAPITAL MAN... 2,591
WADE G W & INC 2,275
SECURITY NATIONAL TR... 2,223
SUMITOMO LIFE INSURA... 2,143
NORTHWESTERN MUTUAL ... 2,060
DAVIDSON D A & CO 1,990
ROYAL LONDON ASSET M... 1,665
BABSON CAPITAL MANAG... 1,550
GILDER GAGNON HOWE &... 1,455
BRYN MAWR TRUST CO/P... 1,294
SCHUPF H A & CO LLC 1,226
FIFTH THIRD BANCORP 1,050
RIKOON CARRET WEALTH... 1,000
GUARANTY TRUST CO OF... 1,000
BANK ONE CORP/ 853
UNIONBANCAL CORP 725
WESTPORT RESOURCES M... 625
TRILOGY ADVISORS LLC 600
MARIN CAPITAL PARTNE... 500
PARTHENON CAPITAL MA... 500
LORING WOLCOTT & COO... 500
PIPER JAFFRAY COMPAN... 500
DAVIDSON INVESTMENT ... 325
FIRST NATIONAL BANK ... 271
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S&T BANK/PA 200
TOMPKINS TRUSTCO INC 200
BEACON FIDUCIARY ADV... 200
ALLEN ARCHIE GRAY JR 200
PEAPACK GLADSTONE FI... 150
NBT BANK N A /NY 140
REGENTATLANTIC CAPIT... 100
HANCOCK HOLDING CO 100
FARMENRS & MERCHANTS... 100
SCOTT & SELBER, INC. 100
NATIONAL BANK OF IND... 15

[Mr_Spock]

18. What's going on here? You seem to have good info

...but there are others that are wanting to bash XM - what's the deal?

BTW - is AAR not going to be free - IE broadcast & internet after this??

[NYCGirl]

19. It will be free. Local stations will not be affected. Streaming will not

be affected. The only difference is that it will be on satellite on XM, and not Sirius.

[tridim]

22. Are you sure streaming will remain free?

We have yet to see the details of the deal.

[NYCGirl]

23. Yes. Albeit with a commercial before the stream starts, like it is now. NT

[Rosco T.]

25. Bandwidth cost money.. that may be part of why AAR took an 'exclusive' ...

..deal. Extra money to pay for the bandwidth.

[tridim]

37. One thing is clear.. XM and Sirius prefer that nobody stream AAR

for free. It's giving away their "exclusive" content for free.

I don't think AAR would dump a good percentage of their hard-core satellite audience to pay for bandwidth for streaming. Something else is going on that we don't know about yet.

[NYCGirl]

38. And they've been so successful at stopping the streaming...????

Besides the main AAR stream, most every one of their affiliates also have one.

[tridim]

47. I'm just saying that XM wouldn't like a deal that included more streaming

It's not that they're trying to stop streaming, just that they would rather have people buy their service.

[NYCGirl]

50. Sure, you can't fault them for that. But they can't stop the streaming. NT

[Mr_Spock]

28. Oh, thank God - I can't live without it in my car + Ed at work

I ONLY have the "Progressive" radio stations on in my car during my commute - or any time I can get a signal for that matter. I stream at work and at home - I love Ed Schultz at work & Mike Malloy late at night - I don't want to lose these fixes!!!

[Rosco T.]

21. Good Info comes from RESEARCH...

and people are not taking the time to step back and SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

Exclusive contracts happen all the time, it's a way of business. OK if you bought Sirius eq, then you got a problem now. At least the receivers still can be used for SOMETHING. If you want to switch, they are SELLABLE.

I will be very suprised if XM dosen't get a second 'left' channel to push Schultz and Colmes over to and run the full AAR schedule by June 1.

XM and AAR are businesses, but THEY ARE NOT STUPID.

[librechik]

35. I am skeptical

I'm thinking the main reason they bought AAR was to GUT it, using the excuse that a softer approach is more marketable.

I think that is pathetic given the number of satellite radio channels available, and how lukewarm they all are, that there isn't room for one real Leftish channel.

But that is what "they" did to cable tv. 500 channels all about as original, various and interesting as oatmeal. Nice mellow stuff to sell cars and coffepots with.

Sad. I was hoping for something Real from satellite radio. When I discovered I was paying a monthly fee for minimal content and mucho commercials, I got the picture. It's exactly what they did with cable TV. Claim it was a commercial free, original and unique selection, get everyone hooked, and then BAM commercials and crap and all in a nice monopoly with no other choice.

They will fake it as a "success" and write it off. Like they feel perfectly justified to write off 49% of the country as likely consumers, just because their buddies are on the other side. It's NOT a business decision, because it's obvious there is more money to be made by opening up the market than by narrowing it. It's political, period.

[xultar]

43. THANKS! I was looking to see if the info was bogus or not...

I got it off of
Http://www.siriusbackstage.com

Go to the forums and click on the News & Enetertainment section. There's a lively discussion on this event.

Some one posted it there.

[tishaLA]

46. So now that you know it's bogus

I assume you'll be editing your OP

[Beware the Beast Man]

52. Thanks for the heads-up.

My wife has XM. I'll probably subscribe to Sirius in the future for one thing alone: the NFL. As a Steeler fan trapped in Cleveland, it may come in handy. :)

[Rosco T.]

53. Most reasonable thing I 've heard all day...

you can get XM or Sirius units VERY CHEAP if you look around.. you may subscribe to more than one Magazine, why not more than one service? If they BOTH have something you want...

[confludemocrat]

56. Here's more from Sirius Backstage:

Recent posting re what happens with AA and Sirius (it's awful if true):

" From the AllAccess website today:

Quote:

With the previously announced deal that makes XM SATELLITE RADIO the "official satellite radio network" of AIR AMERICA RADIO, the liberal talk network will end carriage on rival SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO as of JUNE 11.

SIRIUS has its own "SIRIUS LEFT" channel that carries original shows by veteran hosts ALEX BENNETT, LYNN SAMUELS, and THE YOUNG TURKS as well as JONES/DEMOCRACY RADIO's ED SCHULTZ and STEPHANIE MILLER, FOX NEWS RADIO's ALAN COLMES, and syndicated THOM HARTMANN and DOUG STEPHAN. SIRIUS had, unlike XM, been carrying AIR AMERICA on a dedicated channel without sharing; XM inserts SCHULTZ and COLMES into the AIR AMERICA feed and will continue to do so under the new deal. that SUCKS! (my insertion here)


Meanwhile, RACHEL MADDOW, whose "UNFILTERED" show was displaced by the addition of JERRY SPRINGER to the network's lineup, launches her new 5-6a ET show THURSDAY (4/14) on AAR."

My conclusion: no one really know yet what's going on with this.

[Rosco T.]

57. Exactly.. the only thing we know for sure...

1. XM Will be running Air America
2. They are adding Rachel's show to the existing lineup.
3. Schultz and Colmes are still under contract.
4. They would be crazy to drop Schultz
5. They will be crazy not to run ALL of AAR
6. Contracts take time to work out for a new channel to move Schultz and Colmes to, and add new talent.

In other words.

DON'T PANIC. We're only 48 hours in to this deal.

oh yeah,

7. Take what you read at Sirius with a grain of salt, they want to bias their view.

[Pithlet]

65. We have both

I have XM, husband has Sirius, but we both sometimes drive the other's vehicle, so we listen to both.

Seriously, this irrational flaming of XM on DU is really puzzling to me. It started off with the Clear Channel myth, and has just snowballed from there. I love DU, but this is silly.

[tsuki]

26. xultar, you are my hero. But explain to me (cyber dummie) exactly

how you find this info. If I can't goggle it, I can't find it. Thanks for the info.

[nonconformist]

29. Corporate America

You don't really expect to find anything untainted these days do you?

And yes, I'm becoming increasingly cynical.

[KittyWampus]

30. Xultar, I Am APPALLED That You'd Try Guilt By Association Methods

cherry picking info...

this is the kind of shit people did/do to Wesley Clark.

[tishaLA]

31. It's not even truthful guilt by association

it is, as Franken would say, LIES! LIES!

[Jacobin]

36. Well, the percentage breakdown is more telling

and its posted above. The original post doesn't show what the percentage ownership is for the mediawhore companies.

[xultar]

40. I got it off SIRIUS MB

Whaddaya mean cherry picking.
I'm a member of the Message board and I post stuff just like others do.

Go check it out
Http://www.siriusbackstage.com

Go to the forums and click on the News & Enetertainment section. There's a lively discussion on this event.

[tishaLA]

45. That doesn't mean it's true

It's LIES LIES LIES as Roscoe's posts above show.

Seriously....how do you think you can believe what you read on a message board when someone provides REAL evidence that contradicts it? I think this whole thread should be deleted because the OP is just a huge untruth.

[confludemocrat]

67. Discussion of stockholder info continues there today

The original poster there Grace discloses her source, someone from the Randi Rhodes board who swears up and down that it was copied and pasted exact! There are links. Strange.
Anyway, I have both but hate that Alan Colmes will preempt Mike Malloy and Randi will be reduced by Ed Schultz's program.

[Bake]

60. Seems like there are two kinds of posters on this thread:

Those who rabidly defend XM ("LIES LIES LIES"). Gotta wonder if they're not already XM subscribers who now want to feel vindicated.

Those who rabidly attack XM ...

Oh, there is a third category: those of us who are considering subscribing, and trying to decide on one of the two.

As for me, the decision won't be based on which one carries AAR. It'll be based on the overall programming. Somebody mentioned NFL programming and favored Sirius. For me, XM has ONE rather lame bluegrass channel. Sirius has two kickass bluegrass channels. That pretty much does it for me. The other music channels I like tend to favor Sirius as well.

Plus I'm not crazy about the XM/Clear Channel connection. My biggest fear is that I'll buy Sirius, and the two will merge and become just another typical Clear Channel outlet. Bash me if you wish (LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES!). Or bite me.

Bake

[xultar]

61. I hear ya. Sign up for a free online subscription to both. Check out the

music offerings for each genre you like and compare it that way.

I'm sure you'll find one you like better than the other.

[tishaLA]

62. Well, since you quote me

with the "LIES LIES" line, I will admit to it: I don't subscribe to Sirius or XM radio. Luckily, in LA we have AAR (and Pacifica and some good hip hop stations) so I don't feel the need for satellite radio. However, if one actually looks at the stuff Roscoe posted above--the stuff from the NYSE and not from the Sirius boards--it's pretty clear what is truth and what is fiction. It's pretty sad to me.

[XOKCowboy]

64. Yes I'm an XM Subscriber...

I dislike Clear Channels ruination of radio as much as anyone. That's the main reason I bought satellite radio. I've had my XM for almost 2 years, even before AAR came online even though I was ecstatic when they debuted on XM Radio (and ONLY on XM Radio) last March. I was listening that day while I was driving on the NYState Thruway and would have missed AAR's debut without XM.

Back to the point, in my two years of listening to XM, I've been extremely happy with my choice of XM. You are right it should come down to who's programming suits you best. XM's programming suits me fine. I also like the XM Radio equipment. I prefer my Roadie2 to the Sirius equipment I've seen due to it's small size and portability. I can take it from my car to a company vehicle in minutes. I've never seen any hint of any Clear Channel censorship or heavy handed programming on XM either.

As was stated in a thread 2 days ago, this whole argument should be about furthering Air America Radio for the good of the Progressive Movement. The venom I've read directed towards Clear Channel should be rechanneled into emails and phone calls to XM, Sirius and AAR to convince them to carry AAR in its entirety on BOTH systems. The conspiracy theories and hatred directed towards XM don't further the big picture.

Yes I'm an XM subscriber and I'm happy that I made the choice but I'm not trying to gloat because of the XM/AAR deal.