Can some analytical thinker go over this and tell me what you think please

[NNN0LHI]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=693&e=7&u=/ap/20050414/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/oklahoma_city_nichols

FBI Waited to Check Out Tip on Nichols

WASHINGTON - The FBI initially dismissed a tip that convicted bomber Terry Nichols had hidden explosives and they might be used for an attack this month coinciding with the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

While the FBI has found no evidence supporting the idea that an attack is in the works for the April 19 tenth anniversary, the information that explosives had been hidden in Nichols' former home in Herington, Kan., turned out to be true.

The tip came from imprisoned mobster Gregory Scarpa Jr., 53, a law enforcement official said this week. Scarpa is an inmate in the same maximum-security federal prison in Florence, Colo., where Nichols is serving life sentences for his role in the 1995 bombing of the Alfred Murrah federal building that killed 168 people. Timothy McVeigh was convicted of federal conspiracy and murder charges in the bombing and executed in 2001.

Scarpa learned about the explosives from Nichols, mainly through notes passed between them, said Stephen Dresch, a Michigan man who is Scarpa's informal advocate.

http://hometown.aol.com/missiletwa800/part10.htm

October 14, 1998 New York Times

An admitted Mafia member testified at his murder trial Tuesday that while in jail he spied for the government on four other inmates -- the mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing and three others eventually convicted of terrorist acts -- and reported their plans for further acts to the authorities. The defendant, Gregory Scarpa Jr., testified in federal District Court in Brooklyn that, using a tiny "spy camera" that a jail official had given him, he worked undercover for the FBI for about a year in 1996 and 1997 after gaining the confidence of the others while all of them were being held in a high-security area of a federal jail in Manhattan. At the time, Scarpa was awaiting his current trial on charges that include participation in five gangland murders, racketeering and other charges. The four other inmates, including Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, who was convicted in November 1997 as the chief plotter of the World Trade Center bombing, which killed six people, were either being tried or were awaiting trial. The three others were convicted with Yousef, one in the 1993 Trade Center bombing and two in an aborted plot to blow up American airliners in the Far East. Scarpa said he told the FBI that associates of the four men planned to kill a prosecutor in one of Yousef's trials, attack a federal judge whom Scarpa did not identify, and attack "government installations" that he did not specify. Among the things he photographed, he said, were notes he received from Yousef, who Scarpa said wanted the notes returned, and "timing devices." He did not explain what those devices were or how the inmates managed to obtain them in the jail, the Metropolitan Correctional Center in lower Manhattan. The U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan, which prosecuted Yousef and the others, the U.S. Attorney's office in Brooklyn, which is prosecuting Scarpa, and the FBI all declined to comment on his testimony. .... Scarpa, 47, also told the jury that he had passed on information from the inmates that other terrorists "were on their way" to the 1996 Olympic games in Atlanta to check out the security for a possible bomb attack there, but his testimony did not indicate that they were responsible for the bomb that did explode there, killing one person. Federal authorities have most recently linked that bombing to a fugitive they are seeking, Eric Robert Rudolph.


FBI finds explosives in Nichols home

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/01/nichols.house.search.ap/

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Tipped they may have missed evidence a decade ago, FBI agents searched the former home of convicted Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols and found blasting caps and other explosive materials apparently related to the 1995 attack, officials said Friday.

FBI officials said the material was found buried in a crawl space of the house in Herington, Kansas, which wasn't checked by agents during the numerous searches of the property during the original investigation of Nichols and Timothy McVeigh.

"The information so far indicates the items have been there since prior to the Oklahoma City bombing," Agent Gary Johnson said in a telephone interview from Oklahoma City.

FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said in Kansas the materials were found in boxes, much of them wrapped in plastic, and were being sent to the FBI lab for analysis. The FBI is operating on the assumption the evidence was from the original Oklahoma plot, he said.

Victim wanted death penalty in Rudolph case

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050410/NEWS01/50409015/1001

It sounds like a page-turning fiction novel. A nurse walks into work one day and wakes up two weeks later the victim of a fatal bombing.

But it’s reality to Alabama nurse Emily Lyons, a survivor of the 1998 abortion clinic bombing that killed police officer Robert “Sande” Sanderson.

And as Eric Robert Rudolph agreed to plea guilty on Friday to that bombing and to another in Atlanta, another chapter in Lyon’s life came to a close.

The couple had hoped for the death penalty, but they were approached several weeks ago and asked if they would instead approve of four life sentences. The trade-off would be information on where Rudolph had hidden 250 pounds of dynamite.

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[NNN0LHI]

1. It appears this Scarpa guy told the feds...

...that other terrorists "were on their way" to the 1996 Olympic games in Atlanta and to check out the security for a possible bomb attack there, (that Eric Rudolph was eventually charged with), long before the actual bombing. Is that the way anyone else sees this?

And now this same Scarpa guy tells the feds about the explosives that were just recently found at Terry Nichols old house too?

That seems kind of strange to me.

Am I looking at this correctly?

Don

[patcox2]

11. Scarpa seems like someone working the feds for leniency.

He is "snitching" by perhaps making up stuff, and then hoping his good deeds will be rewarded when it comes time for his sentencing/release hearing, or even just for special treatment in prison.

Many many innocent people are found guilty on the testimony of a jialhouse snitch who tells the cops what they want to hear just so they can get lenient treatment. Like every major criminal on earth, on site of this guy, runs up to him and starts confessing and detailing his future plans for more crimes? Yeah, thats believable.

[NNN0LHI]

12. He makes stuff up that just happens to come true?

Yeah, thats believable.

Don

[ConsAreLiars]

2. The FBI did not want to prosecute the wider network

of white supremacist/religious terrorists. The was again exposed when "Domestic Terrorists" were classified to include left groups who have never caused an injury while rightist/fascist networks who have murdered hundreds were excluded.

They are being protected just like when Hoover protected the KKK and went after those who posed a challenge to Capital. They are being provided cover, and those who get caught are handled in such a way as to avoid revealing, much less prosecuting, the whole network.

[NNN0LHI]

3. Does this also look like there was a connection between...

...Rudolph and Nichols? And probably McVeigh too? Or am I reading more into this than is actually documented here?

Don

[Old and In the Way]

4. Sure sounds like it to me.

I assume RW terrorist bombers traveled in a relatively small circle....wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[NNN0LHI]

6. All three are Army veterans too

I am not trying to take any shots at the military here, but I am sure wondering if these three ever met while in the service? Nichols is about ten years older than Rudolph, but McVeigh and Rudolph are very close in age to one another. Like within a year or so. And we do know for sure that Nichols and McVeigh met each other in the service. I sure would like to know if the three of them ever crossed paths while they were all in the Army. That would be interesting to know. I have to go to bed now. I think I will do some more searching in the morning. Goodnight guys.

Don

[ConsAreLiars]

5. That's my reading.

Whether the details of Scarpa's claims can be further substantiated remains to be seen. But the networks are real at the level of these semi-autonomous terrorist cells. They are interconnected in the same way mafia groups were, although less subject to territorial wars because they are not based on geographically defined turfs.

Your excerpts showed some of the evidence. The Scaife-Coors-etc money went to (re)build this network, but it takes some people like Brock and a serious congressional investigation to uncover the precise interconnections. The network is covered pretty well at http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3147 but the "who said what to whom?" questions remain hazy.

[NNN0LHI]

7. I just thought of one other thing

Rudolph's training in the Army was in explosives. Someone needed to be able to build that bomb in that U-Haul truck without blowing themselves up. I don't think grunts McVeigh or Nichols were capable of doing it alone. They certainly would have had to have help from someone who knew how to do it. See ya.

Don

[libertypirate]

8. At this point your really at a wall without more information...

I just finished a book that would give you more foundation on all these characters. Sometimes things aren't what they seem.

The Franklin Cover-up 2005

By John Decamp

You won't find it in a book store, you have to order it from the author directly. Search the Internet you will find his contact info.

[NNN0LHI]

9. At one time there were investigative journalists in this country...

...who would follow up on things such as this. That now is only part of our forgotten history I am afraid.

Don

[libertypirate]

10. Yes, but a journalist is just a label...

We are all journalist now, it is in our best interest.

[Pepperbelly]

13. sounds like Scarpa is a snitch maybe?

:shrug: