Are any of "our" candy asses over in Iraq?

[Clark2008]

Seriously... I've seen people bitch about Bill Maher tonight.
I've seen people bitch about the chickenhawks that rule our government - always.

I'm not in Iraq - of course, I didn't support this war.
I'm not in Afghanistan - but I did support that one (long story short - gotta get OBL because, if we don't, then any pansy ass terrorist will think America is slim pickin's AND it wasn't pre-emptive).

I know some folks who have sons over there (no one with a daughter).

So, why do we say this... this "get your candy asses over to Iraq" thing I hear.

Is it the hypocricy? Or are there some soldiers on here? I know there are veterans - and thank you for your service. I wouldn't be here now, but for you.

Please, share your stories. I want to know.

I hate it when we sound like neo-cons.

[WilliamPitt]

1. 'hypocricy'

Sorry. Wee pet peeve. The former English teacher in me is hard to subdue sometimes.

[Trajan]

2. "We"?

As in ALL of us ? ...

ALL of us say "Get yer candy asses to Iraq" ? ...

When did I say that ? ... Give a location, time, date, and verbatim quote of my comments ....

I don't suppose you realized how extensive the word 'we' can be; how all-inclusive it's scope ...

I said no such thing: I would posit that 99.9999% of DUers said no such thing ....

What is this 'we' shit ? ..

<edit: yeah ... hypocrisy ... >

[Clark2008]

5. Look in the Bill Maher thread that's floating around

You'll see it.

I've seen it a lot tonight.

Oh - and I fixed the damn word.

I hated spelling - and I was a journalist. It's about the only thing my editors ever had to chide me on. Of course, I had an English teacher who told me that if I wrote on the back of a pop cycle wrapper in crayon, but the sentiment was good, the facts were clear and the writing was elegant, then it didn't matter. :P

[Trajan]

8. I still object to the 'we' reference ...

'We' did no such thing ....

Count the number of different posters who did so (P), then find the total number of DU members (M) .... Divide P by M and multiply by 100 ( P/M * 100 ) to obtain the total percentage of DUers who said such a thing ....

Say there were 50 such individual posters : 50 / 68000 = 7.3529411764705882352941176470588e-4 * 100 = 0.073529411764705882352941176470588 %

That is less than 0.1 % of DU membership ....

Cmon .... are you actually say that 'WE' said that ? .. or that 'very very few DUers said that" ? ...

It should be noted that far fewer than 50 posters said such a thing .... and that 68000 members arent all active .... but close enough ...

[Clark2008]

10. Oh, good night

I see it bandied about... and I asked for why it's said - not the statistical junta.

The point is WHY IS IT SAID AT ALL?

[wookie294]

12. Don't condemn "name calling"

So somebody used the word "candy ass." So what? Politics is not a tupper-ware party. It's not a friendly place. Politics is supposed to grab your attention and attempt to change your mind. Don't be so sensitive toward insults. Don't let insults get to you. Stay strong and fight the bastards!

[Clark2008]

15. I'm fighting, believe me.

Lemme be more clear here.

The Republican Party has turned into a bunch of sloganeering, believe-words-not-action, symbol-over-substance load of pufters.

I am raising a son - a small one - and, if anything, I want to teach him that there are better ways to fight than with his hands - but, if it comes to it - THEN knock their blocks off.

However, I live in a red state. I'm overly sensitive to using incorrect pronunciations, slang where a better, more exact cut-down could be waged and where men grow up using terms like "candy assed" instead of "hypocrite."

I'm trying to understand the language here. We're supposed to be the folks who use it to slice through fog thicker'n pea soup.

[Trajan]

13. I think the point is ....

Why bother even mentioning it if less than 0.07 % of DUers are involved in these shenanigans ? ....

Better yet: Why imply that 'we' are involved if so few are participating ? ...

THIS is the problem: imprecise language, and an inordinate focus on an insignificant event ....

Some people like Liver and Onions: ... Not 'we' ....

[Clark2008]

16. No, it wasn't imprecise.

I saw it a lot TONIGHT. I mentioned it TONIGHT.
It wasn't insignificant TONIGHT.

Will it be insignificant tomorrow? I hope so.

Some people like math.

Others, like to explore why people are using certain words.

P.S. The word "our" was in quotation marks as to differentiate whether it's "our" as a collective or "our" as in "why are some folks saying this?".

[Trajan]

18. ok ...

Then why do YOU keep saying "get your candy asses over to Iraq" ? ...

Why do you say that ? ...

ALL the time: "get your candy asses over to Iraq", "get your candy asses over to Iraq" ....

YOU need to stop saying that .... It makes 'we' look bad ....


So much for precision .......

Ehem .... Good night ....

<edit: you edited out the word 'we' because I objected to it .... It was clearly part of the original post>

[Clark2008]

19. Math v. Language

Never the two shall meet, I suppose.

You don't get what I'm saying and I don't get why you're mad and pull out a bunch of statistics to arrive at your anger.

Whatever.

[knowbody0]

3. i get sad

when we go down to their level. im thinking we should try to penetrate their bubble, but in a way they can be receptive. name calling, insulting etc only feeds the fight, and our truths remain in the land of their oblivion.

[wookie294]

9. The problem is that we Liberals aren't angry enough

It's time to stop the "touchy feely" mentality. Would you be "touchy feely" when the Titanic was sinking or when Nixon organized the Watergate break-in? Vitriole has always been part of politics. If you don't like it, you might want to get out.

[Clark2008]

11. Not a wimp, here.

I just think there are better ways to say it.

Tougher and firmer, without, as I said, sounding like a room full of fifth graders.

[knowbody0]

14. im good and angry

and have converted many republicans, but never by shouting insults.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. When everyone stops posting on DU, that's when you'll know that...

...people have gotten angry enough to do something besides post remarks about DUers not being "angry enough".

[merh]

23. That's not exactly true.

There are some DUers fighting the evil of the admin daily, have been fighting the corruption of the repukes for years and have actually put their lives on the line to protect the civil rights of others.

Just because they take the time to post here doesn't mean they are not angry and are not putting to action their anger and their passions.

[jdj]

4. because I'm not supporting this freaking war while sitting on my ass.

I'm aggressively criticizing this war while sitting on my ass.

As somebody said, "it's the hypocrisy, stupid."

[Clark2008]

6. I agree with this... I'm just wondering where the hatefulness

as in "candy asses" is coming from.

(I know, you didn't say it. I'm just wondering where it's coming from).

Surely, we can espouse our opinion without yelling out words that, well, frankly, sound like a bunch of fifth-graders.

[G_j]

17. look, the flag waving war supporters are much

worse than mere "candy asses". If they think this war is so important, they should stop sending OTHER PEOPLE to die and kill in it and put themselves in harms way.
Why should I want to put my "candy ass" in the middle of THEIR illegal, murderous war?

"candy asses" is far too nice a description IMO.

[Clark2008]

20. This is more what I'm looking for.

I want to know the anger and how we can FINALLY get the masses to "get it."

[G_j]

21. when those in the military now

are in the position to legally speak out, I think we are going to get an earful.
The anger and hurt from this war will effect generations.
It's only just begun, and the repercussions will be terrible.

[Clark2008]

24. And, I'm sure they'll use much harsher language than "candy asses"

or whatever.
It's just that none of us are over there.
Thankfully.
And some of "us" who are, can't post.
And I'm wondering... when, oh, when, oh, when is this tipping point going to occur? When, oh, when, oh, when, will it be less about writing words on a blog and more about fighting for our lives and/or protesting and/or hiding in attics and cellars.

I know protests go on - but they're not covered. *sigh*
Is the revolution REALLY not going to be televised?

[G_j]

25. I wonder too

as someone who has been actively working for peace since the Vietnam war, I am tired, frustrated, angry and disheartened.
I have no answers. I still try to have faith that people will come to their senses, but it is difficult.

not giving up though.. never

[wookie294]

7. Military recruiting is not meeting its goals

People who loudly support the war have a duty to enlist since military recruiting is not meeting its goals. Most people who are piously in favor of this bullshit war won't enlist even though the military desperately needs more troops for Empire. The hypocrisy should be exposed.