Man suspected of honor killing of sister

[drdon326]

An Iraqi-Kurdish man, 21, is suspected of murdering his sister, 18, to protect the honour of the family, a court in Arnhem heard on Friday.

During a pre-trial hearing, the presiding judge indicated the court wanted to question the victim's foster mother and aunt to establish if the killing was ordered by her family in Iraq.

The foster mother is in hiding because she fears the family in Iraq wants to punish her for giving the victim too much freedom.

The court has also ordered that the accused man from Culemborg be examined in the Pieter Baan psychiatric centre in Utrecht to find out if his cultural background played a role in the crime. An expert in
'honour' killings will also testify at a later hearing.

The victim was a non-practising Muslim and had a child in 2004 by her non-Muslim boyfriend. She was killed 15 days after the birth of the baby.

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=19160&name=Man%20suspected%20of%20honour%20killing%20of%20sister

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very sad.

[Jade Fox]

1. "honor killing" has got to be the sickest phrase......

I've heard in a long time.

[drdon326]

11. Perhaps....

honor murder ?

[CatWoman]

12. The fact remains

tho distasteful to us, these customs have been alive for centuries.

[drdon326]

13. Slavery was alive for centuries also....

and your point is ?

[CatWoman]

15. my point is just that

these customs have been alive for centuries.

I'm not saying that they are right.

But how do you do away with these customs that have been alive and practiced before the birth of this country?

How would one go about it?

How long would it take to stamp them out?

Don't be so damn touchy.

And check my thread in the Georgia forum about the event next weekend in Piedmont Park.

on edit: P.S. -- While wer'e at it, can we do something about this, too?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3490725

[drdon326]

16. Thanks for heads up

no, you didnt say they are right....NOR DID YOU SAY THEY ARE WRONG.

How did they end slavery ? female circumsion ? stoning as punishment?

[CatWoman]

17. Last time I checked

all three practices are still alive - tho not as prominent.

[ldf]

22. since "the family" ordered it

maybe the entire family should be executed.

you know, for the sake of "national honor".

it probably wouldn't take many such executions.

:evilgrin:

edit to add, probably every family member who insisted that the woman be killed, was male.

damn men and their peni.

[MattBaggins]

23. I agree that they have been around for centuries,

but are we obligated to refer to them as HONOR killings?

[smirkymonkey]

2. This is sick - what the hell is wrong with these people?!

Seems that the clash of cultures between the progressive, egalitarian Dutch and the reactionary, woman-hating Muslim immigrant is eventually going to explode in violence.

[Warpy]

3. Patriarchy

That's what's responsible for most of the horrors women endure, worldwide.

[drdon326]

5. It really is the antithesis of all western societies.

the dutch welcomed immigrants and now have their hands full with problems.

[smirkymonkey]

7. Xenophobia seems to be on the rise through most of

Northern Europe, which does not tolerate religious fundamentalism very well at all.

I really don't blame them.

[drdon326]

10. You might have seen this....'Islamist' held in Van Gogh case

The man suspected of killing Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh is a suspected radical Islamist with alleged terrorist links, the Dutch authorities say.
The man, aged 26, with dual Dutch and Moroccan citizenship, had "radical Islamic fundamentalist convictions," Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner said.

Van Gogh, who had made a controversial film about Islamic culture, was shot and stabbed in Amsterdam on Tuesday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3978787.stm

[Gman]

4. Yeah, well they have their freedom

the world is better off without Saddam and they voted. So we're not supposed to pay attention to this type stuff.

[drdon326]

6. I dont understand your point.

.

[Adelante]

8. How horrible

I read a book called Burned Alive about a Palestinian woman whose brother-in-law poured gasoline over her and set her afire. There was a European woman in the area who heard the story and eventually rescued her and brought her to Switzerland for medical treatment. She lived, but spent years under treatment and was, of course, scarred for life, a life since spent in hiding. A really sick thing was her own mother came to the local hospital where she first was and tried to poison her daughter. After that didn't work, they left her there to die and the hospital staff ignored her. She was almost dead when the European and an enlightened Palestinian doctor worked together to bring her out. This woman, Souad, had a few years earlier watched her brother strangle their sister with a telephone cord, without knowing his reason, but would never question the murder because the brother had been asked to do it by the parents. In Souad's case, the parents asked the broher-in-law to do it. The "honor crime" was sex, so probably it was so for the sister, too. The father never wanted daughters, except for a certain number to do the house and field work, and the mother routinely strangled infant daughters who were extra. Also, any girl, according to Souad, could be fingered and killed, even on village rumor and innuendo whether she had actually committed an "honor crime" or not.

This is the group who helped Souad and helps other women in this type of barbaric danger:

http://www.surgir.ch

[drdon326]

9. Thats quite a story.

sickening.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

14. This is what happens when fundamentalism gets out of hand

The Bushies don't understand that pandering to their christian fundie base is dangerous to normal, sane Americans.

[Jade Fox]

18. The Fundamentalist wing of all religions.....

are generally people who are dangerous, as a friend of mine once pointed
out. The issure is not the religion, its the fundamentalist mind set which,
as you point out, is similar in Christian Fundamentalists.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

19. I can't remember of the discussion took place here at DU

but there was a discussion recently that pointed out the similarities between religious fundamentalism and serial criminals.

[drdon326]

20. True but.....

I havent about any "honor killings" of family members from other fundamentals.

[Jim Sagle]

21. But the potential is there. We need leaders who will stand up point blank

for secularism.