Uber-whore "Mann Cult-rrr" to be on the cover of Time? (MAJOR PUKE ALERT)

[jefferson_dem]

:puke:

[rodeodance]

1. oh my god-and her ego will go higher (if possible)

[hyphenate]

2. She is one homely

shitface. :puke:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

47. Time's "SKANK OF THE YEAR" cover

puke

[Conservativesux]

96. Penthouse magazine owner Bob Guccione's old squeeze no less !!!

Its all about $$$ with this whore.

[jdj]

114. I thought it was Bob Guccione, Jr.

maybe it was both, at the same time. She probably had the biggest unit, too.

[Montauk6]

143. I heard she was Dinesh D'Louza's old flame

[acmejack]

3. Have you no decency?

Seeing THAT first thing in the morning is really rough!

[Disturbed]

4. Time rag has

always been a RW piece of reptile shit.

[Darth_Kitten]

5. Let her get the exposure she truly deserves...

honestly.

Let people read her columns and really figure out what a vicious, small-minded crumb she really is!! :)

[Montauk6]

144. I'm sure the TV show is in the works

[Freedom_from_Chains]

6. She is looking more and more anorexic every day. n/t

[teryang]

7. Ms. Wrong

Trying to defuse the Delay debacle.

[LizW]

8. She should sue over that cover photograph

Oh, my god, could they POSSIBLY have made her look more unnatractive?

They must be intentionally making fun of her. Look at how her twiglike legs are emphasized.

Take away the shoes and put her in a hospital gown and it could be a story on AIDS or cancer treatment.

(No disrespect intended to anyone here at DU suffering from AIDS or cancer.)

[RebelOne]

31. I agree. Definitely unflattering photo. n/t

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

9. Fortunately her spagetti noodle legs are crossed,

with only the size 10.5 pumps to give away her secret. Also note how they cleverly covered the adam's apple with the hair.

[maddiejoan]

29. Do you find all transwomen worthy of such ridicule?

I nfind your post repulsive and offensive. Surely there is alot more to whack Coulter on the head with than using your mistaken impression that she is transgendered to insut her.

The transsexual label must not be used as an insult.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

34. No

Just her.

[maddiejoan]

35. well, when you use TG as an insult for one.

You insult us all. What you may consider as playful makes it that much more difficult for transwoman like me to be taken seriously.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

37. Ok fine, I will self-delete the post

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

38. Except I couldn't delete because time had transpired.

[iconoclastNYC]

40. Oh Christ....PC police

It's this kinda ineffective whining that turns a lot of people off to our party.

[maddiejoan]

56. And it's your kind of intolerant BS --

--that thinks standing ground on intolerance is "PC".

There is nothing PC about being transgendered. We're marginalized enough without so called liberals participating in the "stoning".

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

63. maddiejoan, I am willing to admit

that there is some merit to your argument. Coulter is nasty and hateful, and maybe I did make an insult to TG people by saying she is. Although I do think the photographer might think so too.

However, I also think you are coming on way too strong about it and saying I'm intolerant, when I'm not. Down below, you said, "Frankly, she too fugly to be transgendered." That one comment makes your point in a more effective way than all the PC bludgeoning does.

[iconoclastNYC]

145. PC does hurt our side

Everyone can find something to be offended about. EVERYONE.

[jefferson_dem]

45. Please. No need to get all PC. The point is that she is TG but has

not yet come out and admitted it, all the while she hyperbolically slams others with personal, incendiary rhetoric. She is pure scum...deserving of any and all salvos lobbed her way.

...unless your claimed offense is really just a bit of satirical put-on. If so...

Cheers!

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

46. I kind of feel like the photographer, at least,

might be trying to suggest this, with the emphasis on her feet and where the angle of the camera is pointing to.

[maddiejoan]

55. sorry not buying

and I doubt she is TG. Frankly, she too fugly to be transgendered.

In all seriousness --the "hypocracy" argument holds no water with me.

[Name removed]

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[iconoclastNYC]

157. The queen of the ad hominem attack

Is offended. Let me Media Blast that right now. *Yawn*

[maddiejoan]

57. I am offended.

It's not satirical, and your use of transgendered as a form of insult demonstrates a secere lack of enligtenment on your part.

I shouldn't have to defend someone's supposed transgender nature. There is nothing to defend. You should be ashamed that you consider calling some trangendered to be a "salvo"

[jefferson_dem]

59. Now you're just being silly.

I'm sorry that you have to strike the PC pose, feigning offense and defending this sick-fuck puke! ...and even to the point of questioning the "enlightenment" (whatever the fuck that is) of your fellow DU members. It's interesting that a quick search of your recent postings reveals several off-the-cuff *critical* references to sexual orientation. But that's ok. Let's not get personal. We're supposed to be on the same team here.

Cheers!

[maddiejoan]

68. really?

I'm "feigning" offense? excuse me while I barf. Nothing I have posted is even in the same league with the constant use of transsexual as an insult label here on DU. Nice try though -- hanging the homophobe label on me, a very Roveian tactic. I've been an activist in LGBT causes for a quarter of a century, Bucko.

For the record, I am a preoperative transsexual woman, who puts up with this crap everday of my life.

And exactly what am I defending Coulter on? I can't stand the woman, or her politics --I don't consider the label of transsexual as something which should be defended against, as I don't consider it an insult --although obviously YOU do. If you believe it's funny to call Coulter "Mann Coulter" then we are NOT on the same team, and anyone who agrees with you can scratch your heads later and wonder why you can't take the transgender vote for granted anymore --oh --sorry --ya probably don't give a flying fuck what we think.

[jefferson_dem]

72. Ok. Thanks for your words. Seriously.

No offense (at least not the sort of offense you are claiming) was intended by my comments in this thread. I'm sure that we could match resumes of activism and involvement in "the cause." Rather than accuse each other of things we know little to nothing about...let's keep our eyes set on the REAL enemy.

Cheers!

[maddiejoan]

74. If you consider

standing up to marginalization of the transgendered to be merely a knee-jerk implentation of the "PC" police --then, sorry friend, you're one of the enemy. Whether you inteded offense or no, offense was taken, and I would encourage you to reflect on that.

Come into the light.

[jefferson_dem]

76. Thanks for your self-righteousness but you can put it back in your pocket.

If you consider your diatribe of ad hominem attacks and ill-informed insinuations on this thread "standing up to the marginalization" of anything, you are the one who deserves pity, my friend. Again, you do not know of what you speak. Perhaps you are the one confused. In other thread, within the past day even, you giggled about Guckert's sexuality and claimed that "chimpy must be gay." I'm sorry but you have no credibility in my view.

Yet you are wanting to continue the flaming.

Nonetheless...

Cheers and Bye.

[maddiejoan]

78. link please

I made no mention of Guckert's sexuality --I made reference to his resemblance to a man in a picture with an Arnold toy, and the recent fad of comparing his photo to other bald men. Way to read something from nothing.

The chimpy refrence was comedy --alluding to the fact that it appeared he didn't like kissing his own wife in a photo. That's a far cry from using TG as a salvo in insulting a right wing whacko like Coulter.

I couldn't care less about my cred in your view --you shot your's with me already by claiming my not brooking a clearly transphobic comment to be part of the PC police.
Do you even know what politically correct means?

You are very good at protecting your self image of being an enlightened liberal tho'.

I neither ask for or want your pity --but your tactics of painting me to be a homophobe are sad indeed.

You should change your name to rove_dem, as you like to employ his tactics in your postings.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

81. She wasn't interested in any real discussion anyway

Note how she never responded to me after I tried to be accommodating by trying to remove my post.

That would have been an opportunity to try to educate someone who was willing to meet her halfway.

[maddiejoan]

82. thoughtless of me.

I should have thanked you for trying to delete your post. My bad. FWIW, I am interested in a meaningful dialogue. What I get instead are half-hearted attempts at people defending their transphobia as reasonable because I'm obviously only being a PC party pooper.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

83. Lots of times you find in people what you expect to find. n/t

[readmoreoften]

84. That was contrite of you.

Why don't you just leave your apology as it was? It was cool of you to apologize. Life has a learning curve and it's totally acceptible to offend someone as long as you learn from it. But then when you go around and tell Maddie "you find in life what you expect to find"... (anotherwords despisal of transpeople is all in your head) you go back to being offensive.

If you want to learn about transpeople, check out some essays/data on any GLBT site. It's pretty oppressive to have to educate everyone you meet on your issues all the time. I'd personally love it if people become proactive and take the time to learn about these issues on their own. Don't get me wrong, dialogue is great. But it would be nice if people took their political education into their own hands.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

95. You obvously translate people's words however you want to.

Nobody said anything was "all in your head."

[jefferson_dem]

98. I recommend bailing on this set of exchanges.

Either they are not what they claim or seriously delusional. Whichever, it's simply not worth the effort.

Sad too. This was my first real "confrontation" here at DU. Shame it wasn't over something more genuine.

[maddiejoan]

101. Are you for friggin' real????

So --I'm lying about being transgendered for what possible freaking purpose?

Let me get this straight. I'm either not transsexual OR I'm delusional? Not much of a choice, how dismissive of you. As for your allegation that this confrontation isn't genuine (Do you mean heartfelt? Do you mean worthwhile as a discussion?), I can assure you it is quite genuine, quite deeply felt.

Oh yah --and pretty goddamn important, as I'd like to consider my fellow liberals to be liberal. Maybe it's not worth the effort for YOU -- that is the sad part. Your unwillingness to see things from other than your own POV brings about the quiet dismissal of a dilettante.

I recommend you enroll in sensitivity training.

[iconoclastNYC]

148. And you could obviously could use anger management n/t

[maddiejoan]

153. Try walking a mile in my shoes

And then talk to me about anger management. What are you? 12?

[iconoclastNYC]

158. Anger is bad for you and bad for those around you

Anger is bad for you and bad for those around you, and who you unleash on.

And that is true at age 12, or age 80.

I'll excuse your youthaphobia this time. Next time i'm going to unleash some fury.

[maddiejoan]

160. Please

You are being purposely confrontational, and I called you on it. Now go play a video game like a nice boy.

As you are stalking my posts with the sole purpose of trying to insult me, I'd say it's a safe bet I've punched a couple of buttons on your issue pad.

[iconoclastNYC]

163. No, it was a suggestion.

You are the one who is insutling people dear.

Notice the number of MY posts deleted - zero.

[maddiejoan]

165. I had one post deleted

For copyright infringment.
What's your point?

[readmoreoften]

102. but this one IS directed to you personally, jefferson dem...

So Maddie and I are disingenuous and/or seriously delusional?

Why don't you do a search on my posts? You're clearly resorting to ad hominem attacks when you can't justify your bigotry. Funny, Maddie and I have pointed out the transphobia inherent in the "Mann Coulter" comments before and were greeted with genuine understanding. We became friends we the posters afterwards, but of course instead of insulting us and calling us delusional, these posters actually listened to what we were trying to express.

Here is his comment from an archived conversation that we had on this very subject:

<snip>

Bluebear (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-24-05 11:21 PM
Original message
How I know Ann Coulter is not a man


I used to join in on the 'fun' and make sex change jokes, too. Hey, Coulter exhorted people to take baseball bats to liberals, why not strike back at her, right? And then I walked in someone else's shoes. Calling Coulter a man wasn't an insult to her, it was an insult to transgendered people.

I had a brief chat with some new friends online who called me on my "Ann's a man" behavior. (I will always be grateful to them.) I felt bad for hours afterwards, and while doing my laundry I reflected on the encounter and how I had in a way become the bully I feared as a kid. I said we must all stand together and for once now I meant it....

The final convincing proof for me is that nobody as hateful as Ann Coulter could possibly know the pain of being "different" in this society. No one as smug and vile as Coulter could know what being an underdog is all about. No, she is not transgendered. She couldn't be! That involves more courage, self-awareness, heart and soul then Coulter will ever know.

Coulter remains ugly and alien to me. But now I am speaking from her inside out. (I still say she's no oil painting, by the way, but that's a topic for another day.) May I never again fall into the trap. Anyhow, just a few thoughts from me.

<end snip>

He became an ally. You chose to attack us.

[chicagiana]

123. I like the Anne inside out part ...

I would like to see that played out.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

103. I agree

I honestly didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings!

[jefferson_dem]

106. Of course you didn't.. And neither did i.

Anyone with sense and positive nature about themselves can appreciate that from the comments. Some people, however, can't or do not want to be satisfied with an explantion of good intentions. No worries.

[readmoreoften]

108. Wow, you can't just admit that maybe your remarks were

meanspirited? Is it that important for you to be right? To call people delusional and insincere, when obviously they are sincere?

What were your good intentions by calling Ann Coulter a transsexual? Or by calling Maddie and I delusional? Or by treating us dismissively.

People who are working for positive change can look at themselves critically and admit when they are wrong or inappropriate. The other poster did. You just keep on chipping at us and calling names.

[jefferson_dem]

115. I appreciate your comments. I sincerely do.

And I do not wish to be combative. I consider us allies, whether you can realize that or not.

I should clarify that i do not mean to suggest that you are delusional. Poor choice of words. That's true. What i mean is that throughout this thread my statements have been totally and continually misconstrued. Words have been put in my mouth that i did not say. Attitudes, opinions, and motivations have been ascribed to me that i do not have. I know that for an absolute fact. To try to convince you of that would be fruitless, i'm sure.

How would you character someone who impugns your character in ways that you consider wholly unfair and untrue?

What so flumoxed me is the aggressively combative, and personal, nature in which i was attacked. In my view, i've not been challenged in a positive, honest way at all. This is what i mean by a "genuine" confrontation - a debate over some hot button policy question, or social attitude, or who the Dems should nominate in 08.

I made numerous efforts to reach out to both you and maddie. Read back through the posts and you will see that. I was sorry to see my gesture was not accepted with openess and understanding. Such a bitter reaction does none of us any good. And it was a reaction that i simply could not believe. In response, i am called meanspiritied, a homophone, a transphobe, am told to go to sensitivity training...on and on. Amazing.

Yes, here again, i wish to say that my purpose was not to offend. I'm sorry it was taken in that way. My thread title is offensive to some. I realize that now. I didn't then. I have pointed out that my purpose was NOT to offend. And i wouldn't refer to her in that way again. But for you two to take the quantum leap so as to suggest that this says something more about my political / personal orientations, my personal character is totally unwarrented...and, in my view, beyond the pale.

[readmoreoften]

119. When did I call you a homophobe or anything else?

I think I pretty much assailed your words and your behavior towards transpeople. I don't see a time when you made an effort to reach out to either of us. You pretty much attacked us for trying to be PC and then said we weren't who we are, that we were ridiculous and delusional. Point out a gesture of kindness and I'll be happy credit you for it.

This is not a small issue in many peoples lives. Transpeople are routinely thrown out of public restrooms and in NYC 6000 driver's licenses of immigrants and transsexuals were invalidated. Try finding a doctor. And that's just the beginning. I know why I'm defensive, because I have to constantly defend myself and my partner from attacks. Why are you defensive when someone tells you that your remarks are not acceptible? I'm caucasian and if an african-american told me that what I wrote was offensive to black people, I'd check myself and clarify my comments. I wouldn't accuse them of being too PC.

I try to find allies at DU and Mann Coulter threads are depressing.

[jefferson_dem]

130. Point taken. I think what troubles me is that i'm not accustomed to

being accused of insensitivity. I have spent my adult life advocating for policies and values that i know we both support. These things go to my very core. There's much much more to that story but no need at this point.

I hope we can put any bad feelings created by this thread behind us. Please know this : you guys have a strong ally in me.

Cheers!

[readmoreoften]

133. I believe you.

But imagine.. if you, someone who fights so hard for progressive policies, has to think twice about being sensitive to transfolk, imagine how hard the average person is on transpeople... let alone freepers and their ilk. Now imagine having to deal with these creeps 100 times a day.

I just want DU to be a safe, hospitable place for transpeople. I know how much my partner struggles.

Have a nice night.

[maddiejoan]

124. and if you actually read my posts

You would see I was addressing your unfair attempt of dismissing my concerns as some sort of PC posturing. You are, however, being disingenuous when you claim you were "attacked" for no reason --each and every one of your posts carried a suggestive tweak that readmoreoften and I were being delusional histrionics.

If you can see that your characterization of Ann Coulter is offensive, then surely you can see that the reason is that it is indeed a transphobic characterization. In light of that, I'm sorry you feel that I was being aggressively combative and personal in nature.

I personally find the overall (read: not just you) "laissez faire" attitude of otherwise progressive people on all matters transgendered to be a huge disappointment PERSONALLY. There, frankly, remains no group so safely attacked than those who are differently gendered. What you viewed as harmless fun, I view as the perpetuation of a potentially life-threatening stereotype.

go visit rememberingourdead.org.

Learn a little about how often a transgendered man or woman is murdered for the crime of being transgendered. It always starts with a joke, folks.

[jefferson_dem]

132. Self delete.

Wrong recipient. Sorry.

[jefferson_dem]

134. Thanks. We all have much to learn.

I hope we can put any hard feelings created by this thread behind us. Take good care, maddiejoan. And please count on me as an ally.

[maddiejoan]

137. will do.

My bark is way worse then my bite --I'm actually a real sweetie

[maddiejoan]

109. I have sense and a positive nature.

That's why I recoil at the comments of closet transphobes posing as progressive thinkers.
You have offered no explanations, only unctious defences at the indefensable.

I have way too much respect for myself to allow thinly veiled contempt to be passed off for anything but what it is. Before you answer --take a cue from Bluebear and go do a load of laundry and think how you would feel if you were me.

[jefferson_dem]

116. Please see my post to readmoreoften just above this one.

I hope it helps clarify things.

[maddiejoan]

131. As an unmuddied lake, Fred.

As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer.

[jefferson_dem]

136. C.O. baby! My absolute fave flick of all time.

Well...besides the incomparable Dr. Strangelove. See...we got much in common!

[maddiejoan]

138. megadittoes

At this rate you'll be asking me to the malt shop :pals:

[maddiejoan]

110. I know ya didn't

And I appreciate your making the effot at listening

[readmoreoften]

99. So, if one finds in people what one expects to find...

then all one has to do is stop expecting transphobia and *poof* it just won't be there anymore.

If you don't want people to translate your words, then don't answer in cryptic aphorisms.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

100. No, what I meant was --

If you wnat to assume I'm a hopeless, hateful transphobic who will never change, then do so.

If you want to give me the benefit of the doubt and assume I'm a person who blundered and will now act differently in the future, then do so.

I don't care which you choose to think. I know I fall into the second category.

[readmoreoften]

107. Of course I don't think you're hateful and hopeless

I already asserted above that there is a learning curve to everything. You are certainly not hopeless or hateful. You just said something without thinking it through and you apologized immediately.

Believe me, I always want to find allies for us. ;) I hope you'll become one of them!

If I come across as overbearing, it's because I see the violence and disgust that transpeople are faced with everyday and I am constantly afraid for the safety of my partner and myself. So when I see anti-trans stuff on DU...which is more progressive than any site I can think of...it really hurts.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

117. Well consider me an ally

I would never want to add to the wrongs and will definitely think about what I say in the future.

[readmoreoften]

120. :) yey! n/t

[Kali]

80. hey look at it this way

there are a lot of cross dressing entertainers, some TGed, I'm sure. They intentionally dress for reaction. Can't we make fun of her/his bad costuming?

On note I do kind of agree that the attacks really should be on her behavior, thinking and writing (and as a woman I do note that when the subject is a female its a much faster jump to ridiculing appearance than men, though not exclusive) but still...she is just so deserving of ANY ridicule whatsoever its hard not to chuckle.

[readmoreoften]

85. I'm fine with attacking her clothing, words, demeanor.

I think those are all fair game. There's a real difference between saying, "God, girl those shoes are ghastly!" and "She's so ugly she must be a transsexual."

One is an attack on her style, the other is an attack on her body. Worse, it's insulting to older women and transpeople. It doesn't hurt her, it just alienates us. Tactically, it's pretty silly.

[maddiejoan]

105. So calling her transgendered is ridicule?

Is that what I am to understand?

[DiverDave]

111. Um, most guys look bad as girls...

no way around it.
And mAnn is the poster boy...er- girl.

[readmoreoften]

112. Funny, that's why there was a rash of transsexual models

on Cosmo covers in the '80s. And Candy Darling was beautiful.

http://www.warholstars.org/candy73.html

Why don't you get some table manners before you sit down to eat with us?

[maddiejoan]

113. intentionally offensive.

Are we to assume most "ugly" women are formerly men?
Are we to assume that most transsexual women are ugly?

disgusting post

[Kali]

121. technically the riducule (in this case)

comes from calling HER a MAN, not from anything at all to do with her/him possibly being transgendered!

Although I do understand your point and I have seen intsances where the issue of surgery/former self shopped photos were used in the ridicule of this person. Yes its bad, and yes we should be more sensitive. On the other hand have you no sense of humor? So what next? Offended cross dressers?

[maddiejoan]

126. Oh no

By all means -- why shouldn't we keep on offending the cross-dressed :sarcasm::

And calling a woman who presents as female a MAN, is not using transgender as an insult in what way exactly?

I have a great sense of humor --watch how I laugh when when someone actually says something humorous.

[readmoreoften]

127. yeah, I have a pretty all right sense of humor so I hear

Just finished a comedy script that's premiering in August. But certain things aren't funny. They're just stupid, ya know. Stupid, low blows, ignorant. Not funny. Calling Ann Coulter a man or insinuating that she's a transsexual isn't funny to me. Maybe that's because I'm close to so many transgendered people. I also don't like jokes that mock fat women or jokes that belittle people of other ethnicities.

There's a huge difference between transwomen and female impersonators. A female impersonator is a male actor who camps up femininity for show. A transwoman isn't joking about her self expression. Sometimes drag queens (as opposed to female impersonators) are performers who transition, but often they consider themselves elegant witty gorgeous women and not 'impersonators'.

Still, many transwomen are math teachers, paramedics, and social workers. My closest transwoman friend doesn't even wear makeup and no one questions her gender.

[maddiejoan]

128. Whatta coincidence!

>>My closest transwoman friend doesn't even wear makeup and no one questions her gender.<<

Me 2

BTW --I also have small feet, and no Adam's Apple.

just sayin'
 

[Kali]

152. so what I'm trying to say is

maybe coulter is (badly) impersonating a woman. NOW what?

[maddiejoan]

155. you miss the point.

[Kali]

161. Actually no, I haven't missed your point

I have been trying to see exactly where you draw the line.

I understand your point fully.

[maddiejoan]

162. Then you realize

That I don't draw a line --but you've missed the important point that evenmany so called progressives are prey to the mass brainwash that's created intolerance for those with atypical gender expression.

[readmoreoften]

60. Yup, no reason to get PC. It's totally cool to make fun of

those ugly rotten immoral laughable transsexuals who largely vote democrat so that you can take a tiny ridiculous ineffectual stab at an aging maniacal woman. I mean, hey, it's all about whether Ann Coulter is fuckable, right? Don't we have a better way to attack her than her physical appearance? Great strategy. You're public relations geniuses.

No, Maddie's 'claimed' offense is not satirical. She's TG and so is my partner who faces getting beat to death every day by conservative thugs. So why don't you 'good progressive guys' find a better way to slam Ann Coulter than saying she is a transsexual (which, of course, in your opinion is synonymous with ugly) and attack her ideas the way you would any other conservative. I don't see long threads about Michael Savage's gender purity.

You know, we could sit around all day and giggle like frat boys about how Ann Coulter's isn't 'feminine' enough, or we could have calm, reasonable people show her to be the vile hatemonger that she is.

And, hey, while we're NOT BEING PC anymore... let's not just restrict it to gender politeness: why not throw a few black jokes or jewish jokes in there while we're at it.

Yes, your inability to make fun of Ann Coulter's sexuality is at the heart of what's wrong with the democratic party. :eyes:

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

64. Look, I TRIED to delete the post and NO,

I do not think the mean things you are saying about TG people. Quit putting words in my mouth.

[jefferson_dem]

66. Put the rant on hold for one moment, my friend.

You leap to so many way over-the-top conclusions that i don't know where to start. And i think that it's likely best that we do not start. However, I will recommend that you go back and read through **MY** comments on this subject. At no point do i express the sort of insensitities that you suggest. And for you and maddie to make such false claims is, in my view, the REAL offensive content in this thread.

Thanks.

[readmoreoften]

73. Not over the top at all. Please.

Did I say JEFFERSON DEM SAID? No. I'm referring to all the 'Man Coulter' comments, the adam's apple, big feet, ugly woman comments. I'm not talking to YOU directly. I'm just sick of all this anti-trans rhetoric in the name of "being against Ann Coulter".

And this is is the second thread that brings up 'anti-pc' language today and I'm as much, responding to that (for the record). If I say "actress" I know that nothing derogatory is meant. I don't even have a problem with the word 'mankind' because the word 'man' originates from the latin word meaning 'being with hands' and only later did it become gender specific.

But the intent here is hateful (not your comments, but the whole thread). The main point is that Coulter is ugly and her ugliness is rooted in her transsexuality (hence transsexuals are ugly.) Coulter is not a transsexual. If she was there would be photographs of her as a teenaged boy, not a teenaged girl.

And what if she WAS born intersexed, is it okay to make fun of people who are born with genetic conditions?

Coulter is just an aging woman. She's, what?, 49??? The elasticity in her skin has deteriorated. This is what happens to women when they get older. Freepers ridicule Hillary Clinton for being 'a man' too.

Listen, I'm as much against Coulter as the next progressive. But a bunch of dems shouting 'she's a man! she's a man!' is just shooting our own constituency in the foot. Imagine how powerful we'd look next to her ranting insanity if we took the energy we expend "Man Coultering" and developed a few witty lines to cut her down in public. Or pied her, for christsakes.

[iconoclastNYC]

154. You'd really have a heartattack if you watched Comedy Central

Gosh, people make racial jokes, and jew jokes, and gay jokes, and for some reason we're not all at war with one another.

my jew friends make fun of jews (themselves included) all the times, are they intolerant and bigotted? same thing for my gay friends. PLEASE.

this PC stuff really does get out of hand.

[readmoreoften]

159. Wow, I do watch Comedy Central, imagine that.

But usually, it's the Mexican's joking about what it's like to be Mexican and the Jews make fun of Jews. And it's based on INSIGHT and WIT not IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY. Everyone makes fun of their own people, but I don't want to hear a straight person making hateful bullshit comments about how ugly they think transwomen are. Just like I don't want to hear a redneck making 'nigger jokes', thank you very much.

And besides this has nothing to do with comedy, because the whole "man coulter" thing is pretty stupid and played.

And the whole 'pc' moniker is nothing but a bunch of right-wing spin... thanks for perpetuating it!

[Penndems]

69. Those aren't just ANY Size 10.5 pumps she's wearing, Dahlink

They look like Manolo Blahnik's. Five hundred dollars a pop at Neiman Marcus. :wow:

Take it from your friendly neighborhood DU fashionista. ;)

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

75. Well just think

her shoes and furs are probably all she's got, poor hate-filled woman.

[qanda]

10. Why is she wearing white hose?

She looks like a fool!

[Heidi]

11. I don't think she's wearing white hose. I think . . .

she's wearing hose which match her skin tone. Look how closely the hose match her arms.

[qanda]

16. Ewwww!

You may be right. I didn't notice her arms. Somebody get this woman some sun.

[Heidi]

17. You know what happens to vampires when exposed to sunlight!

And I absolutely agree: somebody ought to drag this woman out into the sun.

[qanda]

23. ....

:rofl:

[wndycty]

12. I, with the help of the NY POST, broke this on March 6!

Of course since my source was the Post and since it did not happen immediately it was dismissed, but we (me and the Post) got it right. Sure it is a right wing rag, but it got this one right er uh I mean correct.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3227478

[SeveneightyWhoa]

51. Yes, why yes you did..

I'm sorry to have doubted you!

[wndycty]

86. No problem

:kick:

[thebigidea]

13. Time Magazine... on the cutting edge of, say - 2003 or so.

boy, that's many months too late. we don't even get too worked up about this bozo much these days - she used to be on the teevee much more. Seemed to have a breakdown/amphetamine psychosis for a while and went into hiding...

[DemonFighterLives]

14. Don't see how she gets a cover on anything

I'm not a fashion expert, but those shoes look awful. They have cowboy roachsmashin points. Hick!

[tanyev]

15. I carry a sharpie in my purse to always

be at the ready for this kind of opportunity.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

18. joe tex popped into my head

"Skinny Legs And All"

[blondeatlast]

19. This has been rumored numerous times; this time it's TRUE.

May God have mercy. Ugh.

[Coexist]

20. Wow - have you ever seen a more

horribly unflattering picture of her before?

[Penndems]

79. You know, looking at that photo reminds me of a euphemism

a friend of mind once used to describe too-thin women like Coulter:

"Only a dog likes a bone."

:D

[DemBeans]

21. huh

So, all it takes to get on the cover of Time is the ability to write a lot of hateful, insane, ugly things? Crap that promotes violence against your fellow Americans?

It's a sad day when extremism goes mainstream.

[Penndems]

22. Exerpt from article:

Ann Coulter and I were well into a bottle of white Bordeaux—and I believe she was chewing her fourth piece of Nicorette—when it happened. From what little I knew of her—mainly her propensity for declamations such as "liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole"—I thought it impossible for Coulter to blush. Many of her fans would later tell me it was her fearlessness they admired, her fully unburdened sense of outrage against liberalism, against anyone left of Joseph McCarthy (whom Coulter flattered in her best-selling book Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism).

But in person, Coulter is more likely to offer jokes than fury. For instance, you might ask her to name her historical antecedents in the conservative movement, and she'll burst forth, "I'm Attila the Hun," and then break into gales of laughter so forceful you smell the Nicorette. "Genghis Khan!" So finally, I asked that she be serious. I wanted to see the rancor that allegedly is her sole contribution to public discourse (that and being a "lying liar," in Al Franken's estimation, as well as a "telebimbo" and a "skank," according to a blog kept by Vanity Fair's James Wolcott). Why, I asked, did she enjoy attacking others and being attacked?

She composed herself and offered a very Ann Coulter answer. "They're terrible people, liberals. They believe—this can really summarize it all—these are people who believe," she said, now raising her voice, "you can deliver a baby entirely except for the head, puncture the skull, suck the brains out and pronounce that a constitutional right has just been exercised. That really says it all. You don't want such people to like you!"

<snip>

It's not just that she can be callous and mouthy; as all those he has called "Feminazis" know, Limbaugh has operated in that genre for years. Coulter is more like Clare Boothe Luce, the wife of this magazine's co-founder, who rankled the Roosevelt establishment in the '40s with her take-no-prisoners opposition to the New Deal and communism. In her first House floor speech as a Congresswoman representing the Connecticut district where Coulter later grew up, Luce called Vice President Henry Wallace's liberal approach to postwar foreign policy "globaloney," a proto-Coulterism that shocked many in Washington. Today Coulter often speaks under the auspices of a conservative group called the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute that was founded by Luce admirers in 1993.

Link (for subscribers only):
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1050219-1,00.html
**********************************************************************
While I can appreciate Time Magazine's attempts to showcase both sides of an argument, this is a bit too much for us.

Since we're not interested in Time's attempts to glorify, publicize and profile the lunatic rantings of a lush (a trait she shares with her muse, Joe McCarthy), we're cancelling our subscription.

(on edit: insertion)

[Coexist]

24. Yes, let's bring liberalism

down to late-term abortion. Okay. So if it was her niece (or daughter, or best friend, or best friend's daughter) and this person was pregnant, and hemorrhaging fast, and she was going to die if they did not perform this procedure. Either her loved one, or the fetus - it was her choice, one or the other, whom would she choose?

Let's have her answer that one honestly.

[Penndems]

25. In Ann's little world, that NEVER happens

It only occurs to those poor unfortunates outside of her pampered realm.

I wouldn't give too much credence to her, um, comments. People here in the D.C. area certainly don't.

[jmowreader]

50. Hang on, that's completely unfair

Generally, when the mother dies in this situation she takes the fetus with her--you wind up with a dead mother AND a dead fetus.

Basically, we're going up against God here with the mother's life. If you perform the procedure, the mother lives, but you've thwarting the Will of God and all of you are going to Hell. If you don't, God's Will has been honored, but you've got a grieving family.

Ann doesn't realize it, but Dilation and Extraction and other late-term procedures are really covered in the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It's all about life, people. The life of the mother. You don't get one of these done because...oh shoot, I remember what I forgot, I forgot to get that abortion in the first trimester and I'm eight months pregnant now so I'll just pop on down to Dr. Tiller and get it done tomorrow.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. The right-wing myth machine has women staying pregnant for 8 months

and then getting abortions on a whim because they "look fat".


Those are, of course, the same people who brought you the 'bon-bon eating welfare queens drinking expensive vodka with your hard earned money.'

[Jack Rabbit]

39. Thank you for the excerpt (I hope someone will reply to this)

I see a few are characterizing this as a puff piece. Now, I would be very concerned if Time were doing a puff piece on Ms. Coulter.

Is the piece at all critical of her? The intro to the article (which is all I can see without paying for it) tries to put a human face on her, which is OK. I know it's hard to believe sometimes, but she is human.

However, she is the worst example of the bastardized discourse prevalent in the mainstream media. She offers nothing of value to any discussion on civic affairs. Rather than encase facts in a logical argument, she encases lies and half-truths in a web of invective. Her writing is like hardcore pornography: its value is in its ability to titillate or shock, but has nothing worthwhile for her audience, either those who respond favorably or with hostility.

On top of that, she is an extremely poor stylist who couldn't develop a theme to save her life. Regardless of point of view, her prose is some of the most atrocious I've ever seen in print.

If there is nothing of this kind of criticism of Ms. Coulter in this piece, then what is there of value in it? We charge the MSM with propagating conservative/right wing perspectives while marginalizing all others. Is this piece just another exhibit in our case against the corporate media?

[DS1]

41. She's just bitter about being born without a brain

:shrug:

[Bouncy Ball]

149. BWA!!!! Oh I'm so glad she said that.

It makes her sound like the raving lunatic she really is! I have repuke neighbors who have enough sense, at least, to read something like that and put the rag down, rolling their eyes.

[Doctor_J]

26. MSM is pulling out all the stops

writing puff pieces about even the most repulsive of the :puke:s Good thing I don't watch cable or listen to hate radio or read any national magazines. I don't know how you people do it.

If you have a Time script, please cancel it and let them know why

[Penndems]

28. Done, and I'll let my husband know, since he pays the subscription

For the aforementioned reasons in my previous post (which I've also made Time aware of).

The first time I saw her on television (The Today Show), I thought she was, in all seriousness, some sort of comedian. But about midway through Katie Couric's interview with her, Coulter gave her this "How dare you challenge me" look, and I thought to myself: "She's no comedian. She's NUTS."

I did a little checking around with my contacts in D.C., and found out that, while she was employed by the House of Representatives (I hesitate to use the verb "working"), Coulter spent most of her time at Bullfeather's (the GOP bar on Capitol Hill). It does help to be born, raised and working in the D.C. area. ;)

Guess she couldn't get a job in Connecticut (her reputation no doubt preceeds her there), so she just felt she HAD to come to Washington.

[Doctor_J]

36. Brava

well done. Give your subscription refund to some worthy cause, you'll be glad youdid.

[RamboLiberal]

77. I wrote to them - this is what I said

Seeing the Ann Coulter cover on the your web site, I wish I had a subscription to Time just so I would have the pleasure of canceling it.

Why do you want to give this misinformed, hateful woman even more coverage? Her books are ill-researched and it's a shame good trees were sacrificed to print her vile. And make no mistake, it is nothing but hateful vile against those who's thought differ from hers.

Are we waiting for another Oklahoma City to condemn hateful talk like hers? Just listen to the rhetoric that is coming from the right these days. They are almost suggesting it is okay to murder any judge who doesn't follow their views. It's only a matter of time till some follower of the hateful right will take matters in to their own hands ala Timothy McVeigh.

Did Time magazine do a cover of Joseph Goebbels in the 30's finding him provocative and sort of delightful? And to say she speaks from the heart - I certainly hope not, for what a dark, hateful heart! She adds nothing to any show she appears on. Her research is shallow, and her giggly rapid fire, not listening to others, speaking tone is grating!

Shame on Time Magazine. You made me lose all respect for you for a very long time.

[UTUSN]

27. So Now Time Will Alternate Fundie and Wingnut Covers for Sales?

They run their Jesus covers 3 or 4 times per year because SALES go through the roof. Now this. Shouldn't she call herself "Miss" not "Ms"?

[chicagiana]

125. Yeah and ...

And liberals don't believe in marriage either. They have no sense for fullfilling their duty to propogate the species. And they get pregnant out of wedlock too much!!!

</sarcasm>

Seriously folks. How many pregnancies do you think that Man Coulter has terminated pre-maturely. And how many of those were Bill Maher's????

[derby378]

30. O Canada

I thought she was toast after being caught in that lie about Canadian troops in Vietnam.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

53. She wasn't toast after any of her first..

..eighteen thousand lies, so why would that one be any different?

[LibDemAlways]

32. How stupid are the top brass at Time?

Putting Ann the Man on the cover assures that many will cancel the damn rag. Freepers don't read anyway, so I doubt if she'll sell many newsstand copies. Look for the worst selling issue -- ever.

[Straight Shooter]

33. Definitely No. 2 pencil legs

I used theatrical makeup to make my skin that white, for my Halloween costume as a banshee. Coulter actually resembles a banshee, except for her Lady Clairol hair.

I can understand why she is opposed to "sucking out the brains of babies." It obviously happened to her, except she survived because the reptilian brain was left intact.

[KeepItReal]

42. "Who reads your little 'Time' Magazine anyway?" - Derek Zoolander

;-)

[goodboy]

43. I cancelled my script. when they named the giggling murder monkey

man of the year!

[Jack Rabbit]

44. A thread from yesterday that touches on this subject

Please click here.

[laura888]

48. Amy Goodman is NOT the equivalent of an Ann Coulter

Amy is based on facts and honest reporting. Coulter is about hate-mongering and lies.

A clear, clear difference.

[Jack Rabbit]

54. Exactly.

I and others made that point.

[UdoKier]

49. Why is some obscure nutbag commentator on the cover?

Who the hell is she? Even right-wingers disavow her nutty rants. They only put her out there to make the other wingnuts look sane by comparison.

[ComerPerro]

52. Jesus Christ, look at those legs. She is so revolting

Anorexic bitch. Probably has to be, because FReepers wouldn't listen to her if she wasn't so "hot" :puke:.

Why is time legitimizing such a lying, hateful bitch? She has absolutely no journalistic credentials, and no merit whatsoever.

[Catherine Vincent]

58. Geeze. They could have chosen a better photograph than that one.

I wonder what the freepers will say about Ann's pic on cover? Lord knows they couldn't stop talking about this one:

[annonymous]

61. Yikes! That's the worst Time cover subject ever.

She looks like a tweaker. Why Time feels that skeeza is worthy of their cover is a mystery to me. She is a psycho meth addict.

[Deja Q]

62. Cut her hair down, she'd look like an old friend of mine, named Steve.

no joke.

It's sad I'm indirectly bashing transgenders, let alone any of us, but something about her DOES LOOK SUSPICIOUS.

[mitchum]

65. This is about the meth epidemic...right?

[ReverendDeuce]

67. Rightie or not, she's hot... I don't care what the rest of you say! n/t

n/t

[Penndems]

71. Rev, my friend, you need to get out more often

There are truly beautiful women -- outside AND inside -- in this world who this personality-deficient, hate-filled, vile-spewing excuse for a female can't hold a candle to.

I can't believe she and I are the same gender.









(on edit: typo)

[Warren DeMontague]

90. Damn, dude...

You have shitty taste.

[fujiyama]

147. Either that

or he's on crack.

Mann Coulter is a disgusting hate filled venemous piece of shit. She would have fit in very nicely in Nazi Germany...Probably would have been right at Hitler's side like Eva Braun.

[Fenris]

70. How ironic that they use the term "Ms."

Considering that she would have been one of the women in the 1960s fighting the feminist adoption of that term in an attempt to create a non-sexist alternative to Mrs. or Miss.

[Goathead]

87. Where does she live?

I want to run into her and give her a piece of my mind. I'm in D.C. a lot. If she lives here, she's toast. I'll keep a Banana cream pie in the trunk of my car with her name on it just for the occasion. :patriot:

[Penndems]

88. LOL, check out some of these gems from the article:

"Similarly, one is astounded to hear from Coulter something like, 'We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity,' as she famously wrote of Muslims who were cheering after the Sept. 11 attacks, not least because Coulter might be shrink-wrapped in a black-leather mini as she says it. The combination of hard-charging righteousness and willowy, sex-kitten pulchritude is vertiginous and—for her many young male fans—intoxicating."

<snip>

"In February Coulter went to Washington to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), the premier annual event for movement conservatives. When she arrived, the Atrium Hall at the Ronald Reagan Building was hot with anticipation. Activists occupied every inch of available floor space; hundreds stood in the back.

Wearing an ankle-length fur and a wide-eyed expression, Coulter had to be pushed through the crowd by a team of handlers. When she swept past the spot I was wedged into, the young men near me went aflutter.

'Ann Coulter should be staying on our floor!' one said lasciviously.

During a Q&A at a private reception later, another guy raised his hand and asked her out.

Coulter's speech was part right-wing stand-up routine—she called Senator Edward Kennedy 'the human dirigible'—and part bloodcurdling agitprop. 'Liberals like to scream and howl about McCarthyism,' she concluded. 'I say, let's give them some. They've had intellectual terror on the campus for years ... It's time for a new McCarthyism.'"

<snip>

"She opposes abortion rights and has written that court-ordered school-desegregation plans have led to 'illiterate students knifing one another between acts of sodomy in the stairwell.'"

<snip>

One consequence of Coulter's feline aggression is that she wins not only enemies (including one who hired a private investigator to look into her past) but creepily devoted fans. She has had discussions with the FBI about her stalkers, one of whom sent flowers every day for six months. Coulter is terrified her address will become public, and she sometimes hides behind a surgical mask when she flies. Ever since two men threw pies at her at the University of Arizona last year, she has traveled with a bodyguard, a bourbon-drinking ex-cop who says, quite believably, that he can kill with his bare hands.

Even so, Coulter told me her most persistent stalker "is the one who will kill me someday."

<snip>

Her only argument with Bush is that he isn't more like President Reagan. "'Compassionate conservative,'" she says, "carries the same negative implications as 'articulate black.'"

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. . . and so on and so forth.

[Bouncy Ball]

151. Oh. My. God.

She said that last quote? "Compassionate conservative carries the same negative implications as articulate black????"

:puke: DEAR GOD, she actually SAID THAT??? I can't believe I'm shocked at ANYTHING that sicko deranged idiot says, but damn. That's just disgusting.

Oh and btw, I'm glad they are doing this article. She comes off as batshit crazy, which she is.

[Warren DeMontague]

89. Why are her legs coming straight out of her upper abdomen?

She looks like some fucked-up funhouse mirror nightmare. Even moreso than usual.

[brettdale]

92. cancel your subscription

Cancel your subscription and let them know why! heck soon they will have Hannity and Limbaugh on the cover.

[number6]

93. did somebody say white ho's, hose, hoser ...?

:evilgrin:

[Catherine Vincent]

94. A comment from a freeper:

"Most unflattering picture of a beautiful woman, that I've seen in a long time. Her feet are as long as her legs, she has a shrunken head, no neck, no hands, no shoulders, and no body.

It's probably enough of a triumph for Ann to be on the TIME cover, and she'll have a good time making fun of the way she turned out looking, but I think it's a typical TIME hit piece on conservatives. No doubt in anyone's mind that the Right has a lock on beautiful females, even with this tacky TIME attempt to prove otherwise."--60 posted on 04/17/2005 5:20:58 AM PDT by YaYa123

----------------

Ann beautiful? Well I guess so!

[Penndems]

97. There's no accounting for some people's taste

n/t

[spanone]

104. Every DOG has it's day.

[RamboLiberal]

118. Letters to editor mailbox must be getting hammered

I got a message back their mailbox is FULL!

[chicagiana]

122. Sharon Stone must be jealous ...

But FINALLY, pointy witch shoes are being used in an appropriate forum. BLECK ... I HATE pointy shoes!!! Now all she needs is a pointy hat!!!!

[Spider Jerusalem]

129. The fact that a raving, psychotic fascist harpy like Coulter...

gets ANY attention at all is depressing enough. That she gets taken SERIOUSLY by supposedly respectable media outlets is the 4,597th sign that this country is irretrievably fucked...

[stuarttman63]

135. Coulter cover

If we need any more proof that the mainstream media has either sided with, or has been coerced into siding with, the radical right, then this is it. It's the sign of the fascist apocalypse. If there is anyone who is a true "fem-nazi" than it is she. There is no way any objective media could take such a person seriously. It is like taking Josef Goebbels seriously as a journalist. We need to work for media reform now.

[Jane Austin]

139. I wonder how many people will turn that magazine backwards

in the newstand rack just to spare their fellow citizens the pain of accidentally gazing upon that awful picture? :)

[The Gunslinger]

142. good idea, I got sharpies too........... nt

[Just Me]

140. I WILL NEVER, EVER BUY THAT MAGAZINE, AGAIN,...EVER!!!

It's beyond freakin' appalling that they would PROMOTE that hateful, fascist witch!!!

I will never TOUCH their publication EVER AGAIN!!!

:grr:

[The Gunslinger]

141. hmm

Nice photo. I'm really starting to think that there is truly something going on with this Adam's Apple thing. I think the photo is shot that way to hide it.

I am a Time subscriber, and I'll be sitting by my mailbox on Tues around 4:30 and if I see that magazine, I will tell the mailman to send it right back. That crap will not break the barrier of my property.

[Bouncy Ball]

156. I hope you haven't just eaten....don't say I didn't warn you....

Great shot of the odd neck and creepy long-ass hands. Isn't there a genetic condition that causes this?

[Mr.Soul]

164. Twisted Sister is an ok band, but why on this site?

Oh, sorry Ann, though you were Dee S. from the Twisted Sister.

Sorry to Dee also.

That's a man baby.

[barb162]

166. 2 things: the cover makes a good dart board, right? and how

tall is she?

[Moderator]

167. Locking

This has become a flame-war.