Every Day More Evidence Kerry Was Right and Bush Was Wrong

[Dr Ron]

From Light Up the Darkness--see original post for links:

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=739

Kerry Right Again, This Time on Iraqui Weapons
17 April 2005


It seems that every day or two there is another article showing that Kerry was right and that Bush was wrong. We've seen that Kerry was right in criticizing Bush for "oursourcing" the capture of Bin Laden. We received further evidence just yesterday that Bush was wrong on the claims of links between al Qaeda and Saddam. Today's news is that Kerry was right in the final days of the campaign when he criticized Bush for allowing Iraqui weapons to be stolen. The New York Times reports:

"Equipment plundered from dozens of sites in Saddam Hussein's vast complex for manufacturing weapons is beginning to surface in open markets in Iraq's major cities and at border crossings.

"Looters stormed the sites two years ago when Mr. Hussein's government fell, and the fate of much of the equipment has remained a mystery."

It is looking more and more that the only thing Bush was right about was Iraq being a source of terroist weapons. Unfortunatley is a problem which came about as a result of George Bush's failed foreign policy.

[thecorster]

1. of course kerry was right.

he's a democrat and he has a mind.

(this extremely biased post brought to you by bitterness and remorse!)

[cidliz2004]

29. Of course Kerry was right, the three debates that Bush lost proved that

being right wasn't going to do it. Showing strength as a leader and being a good communicator able to connect with the people, -mostly evil and/or dumb asses I'll admit, but still able to be understood CLEARLY is what really would have given him a substantial win.

[Dr Ron]

44. At least the debates influenced some

Kerry was far behind before the debates and made it a right race by winning the debates.

Unfortunately there were two major groups of voters for whom the debates weren't enough to change their minds. There were the ones who fell for the claims that Bush would do a better job of keeping us safe from terrorism, and the religious right. They would vote for Bush regardless of any other issues and regardless of the debates. (Many gun owners were also similarly single issue voters, but they weren't as significant this time as the other groups

The religious right will be hard to sway, but hopefully some will see that there are more issues which affect them then abortion and gays, and at least might not turn out as heavily for Republicans in the future. The group which we really need to change are those who vote thinking Bush is keeping us safer. If we could get the facts out, this group might change.

[grace0418]

46. The other problem with the debates was that

the morons who paste flags and yellow ribbon magnets on their SUVs and trucks were far too busy shopping at Walmart or watching Fear Factor to be bothered to watch a debate. Kerry could've been positively hypnotic but it wouldn't have mattered if the people who need their minds changed (or jump-started from being out of use for so long) weren't going to watch.

[Dr Ron]

52. Debates have impact beyond viewers

Besides actually watching debates, they are discussed by the media and clips show up on the local news, so they will have some impact beyond who actually watches. Of course there are many who receive no meaningful news, or get their news filtered thru talk radio. I didn't follow the talk radio accounts of the debates, but I would bet that they reported them as if Kerry lost, or was saying absurd things.

I also wonder if the weather problems in Florida had any impact by reducing attention to the debates there.

[karynnj]

54. I understood every answer Kerry gave at each of the debates

He was speaking standard English and did not go off into esoteric details. At times, I could not parse Bush's answers into anything that was coherent. Kerry demonstrated as much stength as he could via words, or demeanor, Bush was credited with strength mostly due to his position as President. Remember in one of the debates where Kerry in his deepest voice responded to Bush implying that Kerry would not fight hard enough that he had never wilted in his entire life.

[saltpoint]

2. I would be interested in hearing any excuses from --

-- the jackals in the mainstream media who did damned little to scrutinize Bush's wrong position on this and who gave Kerry such a hard time and so little credit.

Very good post, Dr Ron.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. Thanks for this

I wonder if they'll let anything get out though on MSM. Many people get their news from ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, etc. so unless you read the NYTimes and rely on them for news you won't know about it. Republicans have this whole thing of the NYTimes being a "liberal" paper. :eyes: So hopefully other people will pick up on it. And I still think Kerry should hold a press conference with Edwards and go up and say "I told you so" and walk off. ;)

[AlmightyTallest]

40. I second that motion

That sounds like an awesome idea for a press conference. It would certainly have more of a point than most of the ones Bush gives. Hmm, maybe they should get a few bill board too....

[politicasista]

3. Very good work Doc!

Ignore the haters.

[MeDeMax]

4. no big surprise...

Kerry is no ordinary citizen, patriot, soldier, lawyer, politician or public servant.

He is a true intellectual who sees the big picture, which most of us including his supporters don't, he is capable of thinking globally.

I am not surprised that he is right, we were electing more than our president at the last election. We were electing a statesman for international peace, harmony & justice.

And we failed...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

17. Beyond the metaphysical carapace of ordinary mortals.

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

5. US weapons smuggled to terrorists

That's the headline I'm waiting for.

[mrdmk]

7. Do not hold your breath.

There needs to be serious reform at the FCC before anything concerning the truth from the media hits the airwaves.

[rodeodance]

10. yes, it was the last week of the campaign-then came the OBL tape and

it was over. Even if people were begin to waiver--the did not want change at that time with OBL out there.

[Pinboy]

16. Boy, was I wrong about that. I thought the tape...

would have been a reminder of just how thoroughly the Prez had botched the "war on terra."

Of course, I was wrong about the slimies, too. I thought the thorough debunking of their lies would help Kerry. But that level of detail was lost on the public, and it was enough that doubt was cast. I think you're right -- it was the reluctance to change horses that made the difference.

[LittleClarkie]

55. I have a Conservative/close to Libertarian friend

who only voted for Bush because of the soldiers in the field. He rather hates that vote now, but he thought if he could save one life in not having that transition from one prez to another, then his vote was justified. But he was NOT down with the Bush agenda.

So I do think it came down to the war to a major extent.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Interesting

So the OBL tape was a plant because Kerry was talking about this and they knew he was right. Couldn't have that now could we? :eyes:

[Virginian]

53. I thought the OBL tape

was very Rovian in its timing.
OBL is safe as long as there is a Neo-Con in the White House. He is their very effective "bogie man". It is all about staying in power. They won't get rid of anything that helps them win elections. Roe v. Wade will stay intact as long as their promise to abolish it is still getting them votes.

They have to have someone voting for them. The public might catch on that the machines are rigged if the exit polls show they lost by a significant margin. You can't explain a margin of error of +/- 40% without someone asking serious questions.

[FreedomAngel82]

21. I either want that headline

or "John Kerry was right and George Bush was wrong." ;) I know it's a bit too long though.

[AlmightyTallest]

41. This is crying out for a compilation video

Something in the style of a Daily Show compilation comparing what was said during the election/debates and what turned out to be the truth. Actually I wouldn't mind seeing Jon Stewart do a bit on this. Their Gov. Bush vs. Pres Bush debate is still a classic.

[blogbear]

6. Unlike Bush, John Kerry was (and is) a true gentleman and scholar..

[Kerrytravelers]

8. Scholar? We don't want to scholar in the White House.

Damn those intellectuals. :sarcasm:

[FreedomAngel82]

23. People might think

they're watching that liberal show the "West Wing." ;) We might have world peace and more jobs and health care. *gaps* Oh what a world.

[confludemocrat]

9. Only a blizzard of skillful lying made Bush win

The Repubs were wrong on everything, everything. There are not two sides to this story. There is no "reasoned discourse" possible to objectively show some things they were or are right about.

Its is breathtakingly a horrible calamity that we must deal with for the rest of our lives.

They prevailed, we lose, the country pays the price.

[Pinboy]

11. Kerry right AGAIN? What else is new?

Thanks, Dr. Ron. You may need some extra servers just to handle the "Kerry proven right" section of you Kerry reference library . . .

[Dr Ron]

15. So specific section on this

I really should make one. There are multiple articles showing this already there. The problem is that there would be so many articles to add to the new section it would take a long time to find them all.

For now, go to any policy area and most likley there will be articles there showing both that Kerry was right and Bush was wrong.

[LittleClarkie]

19. Rummy saying right after the election

that we should be out of Iraq in 4 years. When Kerry said that they said he was sending the wrong message.

That's another one.

[Pinboy]

27. And how about the "global test"?

Remember how the wingers reacted? Well, in a story 2 months ago on the possibility of U.S. military action against Iran, CNN's Jamie McIntire reported:

"Pentagon officials say the key to a successful preemptive strike is to couple it with a strong warning that any retaliation would be suicidal and to present the rest of the world with strong evidence that the strike was justified." (2/24/05)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/24/lad.02.html

[LittleClarkie]

56. And didn't Kerry say something about the nuclear stockpile in Russia?

that was being left essentially unguarded? I think that's another one.

[coloradodem2005]

12. Tell me something I don't know.

Of course a good portion of America doesn't know it.

[emulatorloo]

13. And the Media Just gave the BUSHBOTS FREE REIGN TO LIE ABOUT KERRY

Every Bush "Spokesperson" was out in full force calling Kerry a liar re the weapons and OBL. They said he would say anything to get elected. They said he was "criticizing our troops" when it was clear that Kerry's criticisms were of Bush.

The media pumped it out 24/7

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Of course

It's always clear. You never heard Kerry criticizing the troops. Only those people who listen to Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity etc. think other wise. Kerry was a solider himself so he knows how it is and how they take orders from the higher ups like Rummy and Bush. When I read articles like this I just want to: :banghead:

[ClayZ]

14. What could have been!

Should have been!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[SteveIrving1]

18. People are starting to clue in

With all of this news coming out people are starting to notice, "Hey if I didn't vote for bush and you didn't vote for bush and everyone on the block didn't vote for bush then how did he win again?"

[FreedomAngel82]

25. If only

But then if you come down south you see so many W stickers around. :crazy: I still see a Kerry sticker here and there. But his poll ratings are really low (the lowest ever) and he's still not getting anything done like he wants. So I wonder what's next.

[AlmightyTallest]

42. I can't answer that question, Dave

How about a nice game of chess?

[Roland99]

26. Kerry needed to be more succinct and more aggressive

He let the flip-flopper name stick by not rebutting the $87 billion for/against vote immediately (Bush was going to veto the version for which Kerry voted Yes but Kerry NEVER mentioned that...NEVER)

[Dr Ron]

30. Often it was a case of media coverage

Often the coverage was poor as they tried to condense complicated arguments into sound bites on tv news coverage.

But you are right on this one--Kerry didn't do a good job of responding on the $87 billion votes. Part of the problem was that the explanation of the votes was longer than a sound bite, but I would have liked to see him go into it in detail in at least one interview.

Another problem is that often denying an attack leads to more publicity for the attack, with more people remembering the attack than the defense. I think this fact led advisors to wait too long to reply to attacks. The conventional wisdom didn't hold entirely this year since the attacks were repeated so much by the right wing media. People heard the attacks, and I'm not sure that the increased coverage from the responses would have done any more harm, while maybe better defenses would have helped.

Regardless of whether Kerry runs again or its someone new, we are going to see these types of attacks over and over again. The Democrats need to be better prepared with ways to respond and conter-attack.

[politicasista]

33. As well as stop letting the repukes control the message/debate

The Dems have lots of work to do in this area.

[Straight Shooter]

31. Kerry could have turned it around and made a joke on bush

Kerry could have said, "You say toe-may-toe, I say toe-mah-toe"
When I said yes to the troops, you said veto"

Well, it doesn't exactly rhyme, but it would have gotten people's attention and he could have shown his sense of humor by poking fun at his Bostonian accent in "toe-mah-to."

[Dr Ron]

32. Don't think that would have helped n/t

[sandnsea]

38. No, it was a big fat joke

What we have to do is stop taking this stuff seriously. Think about how they won this thing, really. They rolled out what, 5 or 6 goofy lies???

The $87 billion, the Swift Boat vets, Ketchup Kerry, Mouthy Wife, French looking....

And half our Democrats spent the entire election thinking it was important to debate this shit.

Think about that goofy gasoline ad. He mentioned the theory of raising gas taxes to reduce demand ONCE in his whole life. But I bet you could find as many people to say he was going to raise gas taxes as saying he was a flip-flopper based on that $87 billion comment.

They win through humiliation. And all any of this stuff is are jokes for their base to use to humiliate.

And when they aren't using humiliation, they use condemnation. Are you voting for that baby killer? Don't you have any morals? Don't you support freedom?

You can't beat that stuff by arguing facts. Facts aren't the point. We have to flat turn to people and tell them humiliation is a game played by scared bullies and we are going to make a better world for ourselves in spite of them. And walk away.

You never change a dysfunctional situation through reasoning with the dysfunctional person. You change yourself, you quit playing their games; they change or slither away. That's the way it works.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. Bush veto something??

Wow. I think that would've been a first.

[Dr Ron]

43. It would have been

That is what was so remarkable about this. Bush, who vetoed nothing, was threatening to veto money for the troops if he didn't like where the money was coming from.

If the situation was reversed, the Democrat would have been attacked for this constantly on right wing talk radio, Fox News, etc. As it was a Republican, he got a free ride.

[wisteria]

28. Your correct!

Every time I read these things i get mad. When they were mentioned by John Kerry, the administration brushed them off as rants and inaccurate nonsense and the MSM went right along with the administration. The behavior of the media was absolutely shameful.

[corker]

34. I don't think truth matters anymore

No matter what comes up it is spun, than the freeps don't believe it. I think my head is going to explode.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Of course

If it's a republican it's the truth (even if it's not) and if it's a democrat it's lies. ARGH!

[understandinglife]

35. MNA May 2 2005: A day to reflect on the vast costs of the stolen election.

....of 2004.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day to reflect on why We The People did not prevent the coronation of 2005 from happening)

[Amonester]

36. Gore won + Kerry won

* stole (twice)

:(

how about a big CRASH heading our way?

:(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

[solinvictus]

37. Kerry was right, but...

he gave up the election. He can be as right as he likes now, because unless things change, it's a moot point.

[Dr Ron]

45. Losing and giving up are not the same thing

He had plenty of lawyers investigating. If there was any chance, he would have fought.

[Im with Rosey]

48. Just a friendly reminder...

Kerry won.:think:

[dbt]

49. In light of ANOTHER stolen election, the points are moot.

They will remain so until verifiable voting is the law of the land.

[Doctor_J]

50. But he is a man of God

so we must follow him

[Dr Ron]

51. It is sad that so many thought that way

I had hoped that Kerry, being a religious man, would be able to eat into some of Bush's support among the religious.

Hopefully over time more on the religious right realize there are many issues beyond abortion and gays--issues which both are more closely related to their true religious heritage and issues which affect them more.

In the long run there may be some benefits from this election. While far too few, some are beginning to look at these issues. After all, who are really pushing issues more opposite to traditional judeo-christian values than the neocons?