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Tue Apr-19-05 02:18 PM
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Senate Foreign Relations committe mtg to vote on Bolton - tracking here |
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c-span2 is broadcasting
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:19 PM
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1. Biden is talking about |
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the Melanie Townsel experience with Bolton
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:20 PM
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2. Biden is giving an overview of new allegations |
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requesting an extension, moving that committee go into closed session because of nature of allegations
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:23 PM
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3. Lugar is calling for a vote on Biden motion, |
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:24 PM
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4. Party line vote denies closed session |
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Committee remains in open session
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:29 PM
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5. They're discussing whether or not the committee can be filibustered |
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and why there can't be time to review additional information because it's such an important nomination with serious allegations
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:31 PM
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6. Lugar says Republicans want to vote for Bolton |
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Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 02:32 PM by housewolf
Kerry asks "doesn't it matter what you know about him?"
"You're voting in the blind, you don't know all the allegations that ahave come forth"
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:36 PM
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7. Kerry's trying to convince to go to closed session |
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rebutting Sen. Allen's comments about Carl Ford's testimony being hearsay, trying to diminish the importance of the testimony.
Kerry wants to move again to go to closed session
Baraba Boxer making stand against the way the committee is beig run
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:38 PM
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8. Mark Allen says the info should be open session |
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unless it's info a a sexual nature, bring allegations forward in open session
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:40 PM
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9. Biden says closed session rule is to save people from disgrace |
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it doesn't necessarily have to be sexual in nature but it's from career gov't people whose careers might be in danger.
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:41 PM
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10. Sen Dodd talking about why he is opposed to the nomination |
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trying to have 5 intelligence people removed from their positions within 24 months, 62 diplomats signed public letter against Bolton, Powell's Chief of Staff derides Bolton as UN rep in NY Times today, now talking about intelligence structure in order to understand Bolton's & analysis relationships
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:43 PM
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I'm watching with you, this has got me in tears, what are they doing?
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:46 PM
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12. They're talking about the new allegations in the open session |
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I suppose that will limit what they can/will say, but it gives us the opportunity to follow it.
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:48 PM
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13. Dodd's talking about 5 instances of harassment/intimidation |
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:50 PM
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14. Requesting more time to review the allegations |
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says it sets bad precedent in the committee to deny the time to review serious allegations
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:52 PM
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15. Dodd wants Bolton to be able to come back and answer allegations |
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Lugar says a majority of senators is prepared to vote but Dodd can make a motion, Lugar trying to push for vote right now, no more debate,
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:54 PM
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16. Sarbannes saying we have not had vigorous debate on Bolton |
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other nominaions have had months of review, they've only had a month to review Bolton, they should have a full review & debate, it's very untoward to cut off the debate right now
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Tue Apr-19-05 02:57 PM
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17. Biden questioning Bolton's credibility |
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asks whether he told the truth about what he attempted to do with the analysts vs. what the analysts said he tried to do -
Bolton said his visit to "Mr. Smith" at Langley was "on his way home" - others said it was in the morning and then he came into to State Dept for a full day's work
and that he went back time and time again, trying to get punitive action taken againt Mr. Smith
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:00 PM
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18. strong accusations of Bolton lying |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:05 PM
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19. Questioning whether he actually had "lost confidence" in Wasterman |
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Bolton had never read any of Wasterman's work, they didn't work on the same issues - Bolton just got mad about something Wasterman said
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:10 PM
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20. Biden running down list of probable problem areas in the futre |
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worried about someone who has a history of not being honest being our spokesperson at the UN
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:12 PM
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21. In your heart, you know thise guy doesn't deserve to go to the UN |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:15 PM
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22. Norm Coleman believes Bolton is squeaky clean since there "is no proof |
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of criminal behavior." :puke:
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:15 PM
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23. Norm Coleman trying to defend Bolton |
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says the issue is about what the president wants & reforming the UN
obviously Bolton stirs up passion but the record is there (what the heck does THAT mean????)
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:21 PM
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24. Kerry - the role of the committee is not to report what has been written |
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in the papers, it's to create a record and we haven't done that.
We've done it partially but this is the first time I've seen a trying to hasten to proceed as we are now.
What's at stake is the integrity of our committee. I get the politics but I don't get the committee's action? Is there some way we can satisfy those who want to extend the record and the needs of the chairman? What the committee is about shouldn't be about the politics of the matter.
Talking about people who have come forward since Carl Ford
4 types of abuse being discussed credibility abuse of analysts trying to remove analysts who's work he didn't agree with lying
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:23 PM
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25. Lugar says the committee has reviewed extensive amount of info on Bolton |
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says the issue is the the pres has made a nomination, Rice has recommended him, many have testified about confrontations and they are not inconsequential but the committee must vote and the senate must vote but he's calling for a vote right now
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:25 PM
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26. Sarbannes trying to ask why the vote needs to be right now |
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says the Senate is out until 5, he assumed the time would be used for debate, why is the chairman trying to short-cut the time?
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:27 PM
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27. Lugar says the Dems are not behaving in good faith |
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what were all the unusual proceedings about earlier today? We delayed because of the death of the pope, the delays are over, it's time for a vote
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:29 PM
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28. Hagel says it's not over even if a vote passes today |
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Hagel will vote for Bolton nomination in order to move the nomination to the floor, the allegations are serious and should be moved to the full senate and there should be a full review on the floor of the senate
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:31 PM
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29. Sarbannes again wondering why this nomination is being pushed |
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other nominations have taken months, why is the committee departing from usual proceedings to hurry this nomination through
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:33 PM
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31. WOW! Voinovich not comfortable voting for Bolton!!! |
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This is a surprise!
He put a hold on Holbroke before, with what he's heard today he's not comfortable voting for Bolton, maybe it would be in the best interests for the committee to gather more information
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:37 PM
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34. What's Chafee going to do? |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:45 PM
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44. Dont' know but it seems |
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he's feeling the pressure and trying to hide out while he decides to either cave in or stick his foot out
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:35 PM
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32. Lugar says the doesn't think more time will change anyones mind |
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He says he has a responsibility to move Bolton's nomination along
Asks that if Dodd wants to make a motion for further review, please do so now.
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:33 PM
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I didn't see this coming at all, did you?
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:38 PM
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35. Is Voinavich up for reelection in 06? n/t |
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Come on Chafee Be a man do the right thing do it!!!
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:39 PM
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37. Personal opinion - Lugar not handling this well |
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He's starting to feel the pressure, starting to come down on the Dems for not falling in line, losing his temper a little bit
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:44 PM
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40. yeah, that little smirk of his is suddenly gone |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:41 PM
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38. Obama says he heard new allegations today |
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wants to know what the procedures would be for reviewing the info if the committee votes the nomination out today
Lugar says aides keep working on it
Obama asks shouldn't that all take place in committee?
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:42 PM
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39. Lugar accusing Dems of trying to stall the nomination for something |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:44 PM
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41. Biden asks - Seak the name of an intercept? |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:44 PM
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42. Biden brings up something else new |
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regarding to the Intercepts - was what Bolton did standard practice, normal or abnormal?
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43. I think the Dems are blindsiding Lugar now |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:48 PM
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47. Hagel says the vote won't move the nomination out of committee today |
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he thinks Lugar doesn't have the votes right now, suggests putting a time limit on Dodd's motion for more time
Allen also asks for a time limit and a list of the particular issues to review
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:49 PM
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49. I can't believe this! |
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53. You're not the only one. High drama. |
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54. I LOVE this! It wasn't carved in stone after all! |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:55 PM
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58. As I said at the beginning |
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I had NO hope this would happen, I was in tears.
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:49 PM
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50. Voinovich could be a hero today |
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the tune has changed, we 'might" get further review!
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:48 PM
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48. So if this makes it till 5:00 |
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can't any senator put a hold on it?
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:50 PM
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51. Lets see if Lugar changes his tune |
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if the votes aren't there
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:51 PM
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52. Discussion about what would happen with a tied vote? |
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Biden says a tied vote would keep the nomination within the committee, the nomination could receive further review or it could be dropped
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:53 PM
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55. Holy cow, they are going to delay, aren't they. |
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:53 PM
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56. Lugar still pushing for a vote |
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or at least wants to set a firm date now to hold the vote
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:56 PM
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and a list of particulars as to what witnesses to call, a firm date for a vote
Dodd wants to be able to call Bolton back to answer charges
Biden says set a date for vote after the next meeting, after joint review process, call Bolton back if the review sees things that are substantial and require Bolton to answer
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:57 PM
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61. Biden open to the allegations being of no merit |
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but he things they should be checked out, pushing for a joint investigation
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:56 PM
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I don't know the protocols here... It's obvious that Biden and Dodd have been in this committee for a LONG time... but has Lugar? And especially in the position of Chairman??
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:58 PM
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63. He's been on the committe for a very long time |
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but I think he's new to being chairman
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Tue Apr-19-05 04:02 PM
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65. Longtime member, twice chairman |
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Jan 2003-present & 1985 to 1986
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Tue Apr-19-05 03:55 PM
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57. The pressure on the GOP committee members is going to be extreme. |
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No matter what they uncover.
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Tue Apr-19-05 04:01 PM
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64. They're doing it!!! They're coming to an agreement for an extension |
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of time for a review!
Lugar asked for a good-faith promise from the Dems that they'll set a date for after return from April recess for an examination of witnesses and a continuation of this meeting, be prepared to vote at that meeting
Kerry asks if that includes possible re-interview of Bolton
Lugar - yes
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Tue Apr-19-05 04:03 PM
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68. Thanks, blue Senators - you did good today |
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some days I just LOOOOOVE my party
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69. Wow. Lugar's going to get a nasty call from the White House for certain. |
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No dessert tonight for him from the GOP
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Tue Apr-19-05 04:02 PM
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66. Now they're all gonna get the goods on "Ms. Schmedlap". |
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Tue Apr-19-05 04:02 PM
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67. It's DONE!!! We got our extension and further review! |
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Hey listen you guys - we WON one!!!!
This was a big success --- with much gratitude and thanks to Voinovitch!
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70. Indeed. Not bad, Dems! |
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It looked bleak at 4:30 EDT
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Tue Apr-19-05 04:27 PM
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71. Vote: C-Span - 1; Pope mania - 0 |
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Tue Apr-19-05 04:30 PM
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72. Look at this BLOOMBERG GETS IT WRONG |
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Is this going to be replayed tonight?
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75. I think it'll re-air tonight at 8 pm E |
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Tue Apr-19-05 04:59 PM
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74. major props to you, housewolf, for posting this .. from a grateful workrat |
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also, the "voting chess game" was very interesting -- once Ohio's Mr. V. started waffling about his vote on the record, and Hagel said he'd get it out of committee BUT would want the questions/issues revisited on the senate floor, it was all over for Luger -- great maneuvers and great cover on the gutsy repub side, and way to hold 'em on the dem side ...
in the statue and pigeon world ... it's a good day, indeed!
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Tue Apr-19-05 05:07 PM
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76. That was an amazing little session. I'm still pinching myself. |
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I never did figure out what Chaffee was going to do, did anyone else?
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