Put your hand up if this pisses you off

[NNN0LHI]

New pope intervened against Kerry in US 2004 election campaign

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=3&u=/afp/20050419/pl_afp/vaticanpopeus

WASHINGTON (AFP) - German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican theologian who was elected Pope Benedict XVI, intervened in the 2004 US election campaign ordering bishops to deny communion to abortion rights supporters including presidential candidate John Kerry.

In a June 2004 letter to US bishops enunciating principles of worthiness for communion recipients, Ratzinger specified that strong and open supporters of abortion should be denied the Catholic sacrament, for being guilty of a "grave sin."

He specifically mentioned "the case of a Catholic politician consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws," a reference widely understood to mean Democratic candidate Kerry, a Catholic who has defended abortion rights.

The letter said a priest confronted with such a person seeking communion "must refuse to distribute it."

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[LibraLiz1973]

1. Raising 2 hands & a leg

[xultar]

2. Count me!

:hi:

[patrice]

3. Hand up.

If he had just tried to deny communion to all of those people who think other people elsewhere in the world should die for what they MIGHT do to the great and wonderful U.S. of A.

[diddlysquat]

4. Yes, it pisses me off!

[cally]

5. I can apologize for a lot but this is indefensible

Mominating for the Greatest Page. Please help.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. Needless to say, this made a difference in places like Ohio

ratty is lice. It isn't politically correct to be a democrat in "my" Catholic church anymore, so I don't go anymore.

[Walt Starr]

7. The Vatican is now officially the enemy of freedom

There can be no doubt.

[Zenlitened]

8. But... but... but... I'm not catholic, so this pope stuff...

... is none of my business, right?

:shrug:

[Don Claybrook]

9. STOP SAYING THAT!!!!!

He's God's representative on Earth! It was a long time ago! God works in mysterious (as in Nazi-like) ways. He's not a neo-conservative, he's a, a, um, he's something else altogether. And just because he worked to get George W Bush into office, and just because he's really good at goose-stepping, and just because he hates liberals and non-Catholics and birth control, well, these things don't mean anything.

I think I'll start a new religion that worships Karl Rove, just so I can come here and scream at everyone not to belittle my religious beliefs and so I can demand that everyone stops saying bad things about him.

End of sarcasm. My point is, I don't want to get down on anyone's religious beliefs, but the Pope wields WAY too much power in the world, and he's open to scrutiny. And he has been found wanting.

Thanks for posting this.

[ltfranklin]

This is what I've suspected!

The Bush Machine always pays back its supporters.

[tnlefty]

10. Here!! I remember the fuss made over whether John F Kennedy

would take direction from the Vatican or seperate his faith from OUR government. My, things have certainly changed.

[Skip Intro]

11. Hell yes, it pisses me off

puts him right there with the swift boat liars and rush and faux news

what an asshole.

I wish I were Catholic so I could leave the religion.

[ugarte]

18. I'm Catholic but am very depressed today

nt

[mzmolly]

12. It's time for a vocal "liberal" Catholic movement!

I'm not Catholic, but it seems ONE man should not have so much power over the world. Liberal catholics need a visible "counter" movement. ;)

And, why can't "Catholics" themselves vote on the pope? Who died and left the cardinals God? :P

[Generator]

13. Is the Pope a Catholic?

Zing! I finally got to use that line.

[Junkdrawer]

84. As kids, we would say..."Are bears Catholic?, Does the Pope...

shit in the woods?" :evilgrin:

[da_chimperor]

14. Can you say asshole? I can.

I didn't like him to begin with, but now I like him even less.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

15. Consider my hand raised.

Hell, yes, this pisses me off.
:grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr:

[BattyDem]

16. Technically, the Pope is a Head of State, right?

So what we're really talking about here is a foreign Head of State attempting to influence the outcome of a United States election. I know he wasn't the Pope at the time, but because of JPII's frail health, Ratzinger was either acting on behalf of the Pope or he was simply the acting Pope. Either way, this is bullshit! :grr:

[DemBeans]

30. head of state or not...

He's still a foreign citizen who attempted to influence the result of an American election. Let me correct that - he didn't attempt to do it, he DID it.

In another less bizarre time, this would have brought a storm of protest from the American public and a storm of criticism from the press. Instead, I watched MSNBC having orgasms today over this appointment.

Strange times we live in, indeed.

[LittleClarkie]

17. Great. Opus Dei, right?

I hope the new Pope doesn't plan on continuing this shit.

[arcos]

22. He will...

And more than ever.

[zoeb]

19. I don't know what this post's about but I'm damn tired of republican

control......sick and tired...i give up....tired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ultraist]

20. Kerry took a serious hit with the Catholic vote, thanks to this ASSHOLE

[NNN0LHI]

21. Bush took 55% of the Catholic vote thanks to this shit head n/t

[EFerrari]

101. Are you sure? Remember how, right after the election,

the GOP generated all these fake stats -- the Catholic vote, the Latino vote, the youth vote, the "values" vote. Most of it has been debunked.

But I agree. The Cabal has cut a deal with Rome. We disappeared pedophilia and they help herd Catholics to vote for the GOP.

[Solly Mack]

23. It's extortion.A strong-arm attempt to impose church teaching on a

secular government by means of threatening it's own members to impose church teaching on others or else. (whatever "else" is)

He has a right to voice his displeasure...he will never have the right to attempt to shape American government...nor will any religious body.

Want to save religion? Support the separation of church and state. It's the only way. American's own right wing theocrats won't allow any form of religion but their own...to save yours, embrace the separation of church and state

[Maru Kitteh]

24. Here! And my family too!

It's indefensible.

[nolabels]

79. It's defensible the same as it is political

Which means us people who have no desire to be any part of it can BASH THE HELL OUT OF IT.

And to think people left Europe in droves to get away from this kind of crap x(

[getmeouttahere]

25. Let me state that I was baptized Catholic....

but if I hadn't already rejected Catholicism, I did the other day when I saw a bumper sticker that read "You can't be pro-abortion and a Catholic"

Let's see, there are about 1 billion (or more) people on this earth that don't believe in God or Jesus. Probably about the same number who oppose Bush & Co. I'd say that's pretty good company to keep. The Pope, despite all the pomp & circumstance, is still a mere mortal. If he can perform a miracle or walk on water, then perhaps I'll change my tune, but let's keep some perspective, folks.

[Blue Diadem]

26. Thanks for posting this and yes it pisses me off! n/t

[Just Me]

27. What I don't understand is why "life in being" isn't prioritized?

Until we master all "lives in being", why place potential life (which may never live or be alive) on the top of the list?

It seems to me an avoidance of failure rather than a sincere redress of human ailments. If ya' can't FIX what is,...focus on that which no one can control. Yes?

[jimshoes]

28. Consider me pissed

I officially do not care for this new pope for the singular fact that he helped shrub take the presidency.

[NNN0LHI]

29. WHERE ARE THE FUCKING POPE DEFENDERS AT NOW DAMMIT?!?

WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU?!? I WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE TALK WITH YOU RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

Don

[Don Claybrook]

32. I can give you a partial answer

At least one of them is calling my wife a whore because I stated (and subsequently documented) that the Pope is a neo-conservative.

I've PM'd the guy, asking him to call me at home so that he can personally apologize to my wife.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1405844
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[ultraist]

34. WHAT a FUCKING asshole!

He is showing his true misogynist colors, isn't he? PS, you should alert on that.

[NNN0LHI]

37. That piece of fucking shit. Thanks for pointing that out

I have a memory like an elephant. I won't never forget that. Ever.

Don

[Don Claybrook]

42. Hi, Don.

Long time no talk. I used to post as DisgustipatedinCA, long ago. Just wanted to take a second to tell you that I always enjoy reading your posts.

Thanks,
Don C

[NNN0LHI]

44. Thanks Don. Some of my posts are OK. Some are real losers though

Really appreciate the hello though. Take care and you and yours stay well.

Don

[dhinojosa]

54. Was it that 'Jesus' character? nt

[Inland]

43. So the Pope isn't a nazi and a pederast. That too much defense for you?

After all, my saying that he isn't a proven pedophile and a Nazi makes me a "pope defender", as in telling the truth about a person makes me a member of the Holy Inquisition itself. But in a world where supposed liberal democrats are working so hard to make it religious vs. non-religious, there isn't any room for truth. It isn't just the Pope who has a dogmatic axe to grind.

Fact is, if there wasn't so much shouting about pure, unadulterated relgious and anti-religious BULLSHIT AND HATRED, you could probably get a word in edgewise about something actually important and political, like, oh, WHO PEOPLE VOTED FOR AND WHY IN ELECTIONS.

But no, first we have to decide whether there is a God, and if one, if I am going to hell, and what about the Borgias, and antisemetism, and isn't it true that all churches are evil, because the sad fact is that what passes for political discussion is a bunch of people wiht hard ons over religion seeing a chance to say something really awful without much chance of anyone asking them to be fair.

You pretend like you are fucking Columbus discovering the New World, having found something actually political to talk about, but you aren't. And you can't stick to it, either. Back to the hatefest.

[NNN0LHI]

51. At least you had the guts to come out. I will hand you that

As for the rest of what you wrote I read it twice (my limit) and it still made no sense to me. Thats OK though. That happens a lot around here when someone tries to defend the indefensible. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

Don

[Inland]

59. Arggh. What is it you say is "indefensible"?

A church getting involved in politics? Or a religion?

NOBODY defends the former. And if you read half the posts in this thread, even once, you will see plenty of attacks on the latter. So maybe YOU SHOULD TURN OFF YOUR FUCKING ALL CAPS AND MAKE IT CLEAR ABOUT WHETHER YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT CHURCHES INVOLVED IN POLITICS OR COMPLAINING ABOUT RELIGION.

Churches in politics is a legitimate concern. Religious arguments about the validity or truth of a religious doctrine are typical DU circle jerk bullshit that does nothing except alienate liberal democrat believers who take seriously the attitude that one can't be a believer and a liberal.

Why don't all the people who want to talk about the pros and cons of theology all go someplace and have a Thirty Years War just between themselves. A plague on all your houses.

[sonicx]

64. Um, I thought we were talking about the new Pope and Kerry.

What are you talking about?

[Inland]

66. Apparently, about precision in language.

Lucky me.

[Tinoire]

90. Laughing at the DU hysteria. You think Ratzinger wrote that on his own?

Lol. That's been Catholic Doctrine from the start and it will NEVER EVER change. The Church has constantly withheld communion from politicians who noisily buck church doctrine. If you are not in a state of grace, you are not allowed to take communion. If you're publicly bucking the Church then they reserve the right to publicly bar you. Them's the rules. If you don't like them, don't play. If as a politician you try to wear your Catholicism on your sleeve while publicly pushing for things that are against Church teaching, they reserve every right to deny you communion and always have. It's as simple as that. Those who don't like it, can lump it. Communion isn't some picnic-happy symbolic once a week snack- it's a very serious acceptance of Jesus very flesh and blood for Catholics and to receive it means that, albeit a sinner, you accept the Catholic Faith as defined by the Church and support its tenets. Kerry was out-manouvered by the right on that issue but that is Kerry's own damn fault. EVERY Catholic knows or better know that the Church can withhold communion when you publicly go against its teachings. But Kerry again thought he could have it both ways and that no one would notice. Millions of Catholics go to Church and withhold from Communion because they know what a mortal sin it is to receive it when you're not in the right state. It's not a Sunday snack and no amount of whining is going to make it so. Believe it or not, no one is forced to be Catholic and no Catholic is forced to receive Communion.

Kerry. The great ham sandwich who believes exactly the same as Bush when it comes to social justice in Latin America, supporting this war & occupation and throwing a few symbolic bread crumbs to the American poor. Give me a fucking break.

Maybe religious people are abandoning the Democratic Party because they can't stand the hatefest and the hypocritical lip service to issues as important as social justice, stemming the tide of consumerism & material relativism that BOTH the Democratic Party and the Republican party are spreading throughout the world for economic gain to retain the 2 car in the garage cushy way of life. Ever think of that?

I think next election, I'll consider staying home. First it was the Muslims' and the Greens' faults. Then it was the Jews' fault and now it's the Catholics' fault. Lovely. Absolutely charming. One really must wonder where all these figures come from. Were you in the polling both asking people who they voted for? What religion they were affiliated with? Or did someone just threw a few darts at the board and come up with some make-believe figures. This is too hysterically funny for words but I'm beginning to expect little else from a party that thinks it can have it both ways on everything.

And even if you choose to believe that Catholics abandoned this glorious New Dem party, be intellectually honest enough to lay the blame where it lies. On non-thinking idiots who couldn't back a straight-talker. The Democratic Party backed a losing horse who was trying to stand in the middle of the road and be all things to all people. Don't say people didn't warn you about all of Kerry's Achilles Heels. Time to deal with it. Know the rules before you play and don't annoy the world with your whining when you lose.

I leave you all now to your regularly scheduled hate-fest. :hi:

[Cats Against Frist]

31. Um -- can I just say that I don't understand why, like, when I say

"oranges are stupid, and if you are all caught up in them, I'm suspicious of both your sanity and your critical thinking," -- but if I replace ORANGE with THE CATHOLIC CHURCH -- or any specific religion -- suddenly, I'm a "basher." Problem is, the first statement is really the crazy statement, but the statement, with the non-PC substituion, would have a whole litany of ridiculous, bloody, hypocritical, superstitious, near-fascist supporting arguments -- notwithstanding that people who hate modernity hate the Enlightenment, ergo HATE THE CONSTITUTION. So we can add high treason, in there, as well.

Now. I'm all for anyone who wants to be Catholic, and listen to those who represent an institution with a 1800-or-so-year-old track record of corruption, wealth hording, chauvanism, murder, inquisition, chicanery, hypocrisy, heresy (IMHO, since I believe that anyone who follows any religion -- Catholic or Protestant that stems from the early canonical translations/writings of the Catholic Church are worshipping the ANTICHRIST), genocide, etc. -- I believe in freedom of religion, just like any other American.

But, my one and only question is: Why the fuck do I have to be subject to this FUCKING HORSESHIT? Why can't I have my own body? Why can't I keep religion out of my son's face? Why can't I keep from paying people to preach? Why do I have to have my taxes support Dominionst policies on the environment, on war, on RACE (because most of this is about race -- always has been), on healthcare -- huh? Huh?

If people would just READ THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION or catch up on that hip era called "The FUCKING ENLIGHTENMENT" they would realize that the church has no fucking business meddling in the affairs of a fucking election. And -- then "liberals" still support him? WTF? Why, because he's "the ruler of the fucking church, and we're supposed to support him, even if we don't agree with him??"

Last time I heard that argument was when Team Knuckledragger was telling the left that they had to support Yosemite Fucking Sam and his grand imperialistic exploits.

Look -- for those who are "confused." And I'm looking at you, John Kerry, or any other "liberal" who continues to support this organization with money or church attendance:

The Catholic Church is a CONSTRUCT. IT IS NOT "ORDAINED" by anything to be your conduit, speaker, what the fuck have you. There is no "well, I don't agree with the pope, but I'll just enact my little catholic fantasy."

Sorry. Doesn't work. It's a construct. It's THEIR construct -- and they've chosen to crown a Hitler Youth who helped the anti-Christ rule America and hates liberals -- so what the fuck, now? What the fuck, now? The Catholic Church is set up as a HIERARCHY -- meaning that nothing CATHOLIC exists outside of it. If you think you're getting over by slipping a fiver in the collection basket and sending a fiver off to NARAL, excuse fucking me -- but YOU'RE NOT CATHOLIC.

IMHO, you can't support the Catholic Church "a little," and there is no Liberal Wing of the Catholic Church. From Gerhardt fucking Niemeyer, to Thomas Howard, to whomever the Catholic "intelligensia" has been in the U.S. for the last couple hundred years -- they answer to the HARD ASS, FASCIST right -- and any money you send to them is going into the same pot -- to spread totalitarian absolutism and support their GIANT PORN COLLECTION ;) -- there is no "in between."

And if you want in on the "Gnostic-Buddhist Church of Jesus and Thomas Jefferson," the collection plate is :headbang: OPEN. :headbang:


:rant:

[Cats Against Frist]

33. Wow -- upon re-reading, in a sense --

it means that I agree with the new fascist Pope. But he still shouldn't have been messing with this around the time of the election, and publicly.

[Borgnine]

62. I wish there was a way to nominate replies.

Because that was spot-on.

[MelissaB]

35. Hand way up here!

Indeed, this highly pisses me off!

[tallahasseedem]

36. Hand up...

with my middle finger pointed in the direction of that little dictatorship. I have had it with this church.
:grr: :argh:

[Name removed]

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[mitchum]

99. Would "fuck the altarboys!" have been more acceptable?

But, then, I guess it would have belonged in Latest Breaking News

Fuck Ratzinger!
Is that better?

[AlCzervik]

39. beyond angry here

[sniffa]

85. you shouLd be

i'm stiLL waiting for our favorite apoLogists to show up.

[Career Prole]

40. Count my family...

..and my mechanic!

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[Dukkha]

41. Denying communion?

Wonder if Jesus ever turned anyone away?

[Brianboru]

45. Yes, he did

If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them. Luke 9:5

So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. John 2:15

[Lerkfish]

63. well, LOL, that's not really "turning them away".

the moneychangers were ripping off worshippers by shortchanging them and overcharging them for animals to sacrifice. They were desecrating the temple with greed and avarice.
That's not turning people away, that's kicking the foxes out the henhouse.

The shaking of the dust off the feet was a reference to the disciples being sent out into the world. If people refused to hear the invitation to be a christian, then you shake off the dust off their feet. What that means is if people ARE INVITED, but refuse the invitiation...how you interpret that as turning people away is mindboggling.

[FtWayneBlue]

46. Yep, I am pissed off. I can't even take consolation from feeling

better to be pissed off than pissed on, because both are occuring.

[SlowDownFast]

47. Don't know about pissing,

but it made me so mad I poped my pants!

[dchill]

60. poped my pants!

u.s.a. - you have made my day.
ROTFL

[rucky]

48. This new Pope is the greatest thing to happen...

to the Episcopalian Church since the 17th Century. n/t

[mikelgb]

49. yeah

:hi:

[snacker]

50. My hand's up. n/t

[wtmusic]

52. I wasn't aware Kerry was an open "supporter of abortion"

they hear what they want to hear.

[WildEyedLiberal]

58. Your sig pic is hilarious n/t

[Blue Belle]

97. I love that Signature pic...

I copied it to print out to show everyone at my office. :-)

[hfojvt]

53. definitely, but Catholics still voted for Kerry

in about the same percentage that they voted for Gore. If the Catholic church had supported its own, they should have voted for Kerry much more.

[NNN0LHI]

67. Gore, who is a Baptist received 47% of the Catholic vote

Kerry, who is a Catholic received 45% of the Catholic vote. For comparative purposes JFK, another Catholic received 83% of the Catholic vote. See what I am getting at here?

Don

[hfojvt]

70. I said much the same thing

but for comparative purposes, can you tell me what percent of the Catholic vote that Humphrey and Stevenson got? It may be the post Roe v. Wade climate rather than Kennedy's Catholicism.

[hfojvt]

91. answering my own question

if Grover Norquist is to be believed:

"In 1960 John F. Kennedy won 83 percent of the Catholic vote while defeating Richard Nixon by fewer than 115,000 votes. Four years later Lyndon Johnson won 79 percent of Catholic voters in his landslide over Barry Goldwater. In 1968 Hubert Humphrey received 57 percent of the Catholic vote in losing to Richard Nixon. Nixon, however, was re-elected in 1972 with 61 percent of the Catholic vote, the first time it tracked with the national average in a presidential election. Post-Watergate, 57 percent of Catholics voted for Jimmy Carter, who was elected with only 51 percent of the vote.

Ronald Reagan carried 50 percent of the Catholic vote in 1980 while winning 51 percent of the total vote. In 1984 he was re-elected with 54 percent of the Catholic vote and 59 percent of the national vote.

Clinton won 41 percent of Catholics in 1992; in 1996 he took 53 percent of the Catholic vote while winning only 49 percent of the total vote."

http://www.atr.org/press/editorials/tas/tas0800.html

He goes on to distinguish between active Catholics and inactive, with the former being more conservative. This is perhaps coming from the top too. The last mass I attended (about two years ago) had an anti-abortion homily.

It still seems to me that church goers are wealthier than average, and the church is shying away from telling them what they do not want to hear (anti-materialism, take care of the poor).

[seabeyond]

55. says a lot about catholics that turn on their own people

to band with people that call them heathens

kerry was a cathlic for a lifetime, adn they turned on him. how can kerry be a catholic any longer. says something about the church

[JVS]

56. I have a question

How is refusing the sacrament to an individual intervening against that candidate? Since when is receiving the sacrament part of the political process?

[sonicx]

61. No, it's the side effects

Sending a message that pro-choicers are "Bad Catholics."

Oh, but nevermind the Death Penalty or Iraq. "Here's your bread, Mr. Santorum!"

[BuyingThyme]

57. So much for all of the fucks who keep trying to make the case that

Ratliner took a stand against the occupation of Iraq.

[Hippo_Tron]

65. I'd be okay with it if he weren't a hypocrite

Nowhere does it say that abortion is more wrong than the death penalty and the Iraq War.

[Catherine Vincent]

68. What?!?!

I can't believe this shit!! And I remember when the press gave Kerry a hard time..questioning if he should receive communion.

Aaargh!!!!!

[NNN0LHI]

69. They even had cameras in Kerry's church trying to make him look...

...like he was a Satanist because he had voted pro-choice in the Senate.

Don

[grace0418]

71. Hand WAY up

If I raised my hand every time I was pissed off by the fucking right-wing dirtbags in this world well, I wouldn't need to work out.

[sharonking21]

72. Yes, this did make me mad

I'm of the old school that supports that antiquated concept having to do with separation of church and state. So when this came out during the Kerry campaign, it wasn't just that he was a "furriner"--I took it as poking the nose of the church into a place it shouldn't go.

I remember all the talk back in 1960 amongst the Southern Protestants when John Kennedy ran about how the Vatican might try to "control" him--sniping from people who were still predjudiced against Catholics. I thought we got past that issue and here it is 45 years later, and it is rearing its ugly head from the Catholic side.:grr:

[progressivebydesign]

73. NOW I recognize his name! Freakin' hypocrties...

.. the old white men controlling billions of Catholics are responsible for the staggering death tolls in Africa from AIDS, because THEY think that using condoms is EVIL! Much better to kill children and families from AIDS than to support a woman's right to choose. ANd let's not even go into the fact that the Catholic Church is also responsible for the abject poverty and suffering in poor countries where they REFUSE to allow any REAL birth control... and we see families of 9 or 10 children with nothing to eat.

Bunch of old white men.. that pretty much sums up the whole deal.

[NNN0LHI]

74. Make that a bunch of "rich" old white men n/t

[Jacobin]

75. But not for politicians who support IraqNam?

How inconsistent@!!!

[CTLawGuy]

76. hand up

so happy not to be Catholic

and I don't remember Jesus asking the Disciples whether any of them supported abortion rights before letting them participate in the Last Supper.

[annabanana]

77. come visit some Episcopalians..

apostolic
transubstantial
all of the perks, none of the guilt

[CTLawGuy]

92. I'm a happy member

of the ELCA (Lutheran) - New England Synod

[DeaconBlues]

78. A cabal of right-wing turds conspiring worldwide to keep one another in

power. That's the state of the world today. Looks like the Pope even worked harder than Osama to keep Bush in power.

[readmoreoften]

80. hand up. n/t

[gasperc]

81. hand up

[lonestarnot]

82. BOTH HANDS UP!

[in_cog_ni_to]

83. Hands are raised!

Unreal. :grr:

[lectrobyte]

86. Raised and Pissed.

[htuttle]

87. Yes, that pissed me off

[SammyWinstonJack]

88. Both hands up

:grr:

[TWiley]

89. TAX the Bastards. Why sould tax free $$ support madness?

I feel the same way toward the protestant evangelicals as well. If they want to get political, then tax them like everyone else.

[Junkdrawer]

93. *both hands up and waving wildly*

This Pope in NOT a Nazi, but he is a Fundamentalist whose ideas about Birth Control and Abortion are cruel and dangerous. And his priorities are clearly out of whack.

[Lindacooks]

94. Yes that pisses me off.

And that's why even non-Catholics are outraged at the choice of this pope. He has tremendous influence over many people around the world, including many in America who then vote the way he tells them to and make the world a worse place.

[BamaBecky]

95. The more I hear, the less I like...........n/t

[Blue Belle]

96. Got both hands up....

How dare a former "Hitler Youth" deny my president communion!! Clearly a case of "pot calling the kettle" I must say....

[peekaloo]

98. Hand up for Ratfucker.

[Fire Walk With Me]

100. Hey, I'm Evil

"A footnote to the letter also condemned any Catholic who votes specifically for a candidate because the candidate holds a pro-abortion position. Such a voter 'would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for holy communion,' the letter read."

I'm officially evil.

I'm not interested in being evil.

I could like the last Pope for blessing break dancers and overlook (a bit) the AIDS and condom thing, but this is, um, what we needed to further isolate the hatred so we can all get a good look at what we really want to be like in ourselves and in our national representatives???

[Fire Walk With Me]

103. Actually, I can't be evil as I'm not catholic anymore

So the Pope can't tell me what I am. Nyah.

[B Calm]

102. Raising my hand. Must be hard for a liberal to be Catholic these

days..

[susanna]

104. Both hands here...

I'm practicing for a career with Diebold.

on edit: spelling