Former RNC Insider Contract with America was actually Contract on America

[seemslikeadream]

A conservative who once 'rubbed shoulders' with the Washington neo-cons also says America is now under a fascist rule and Bush must be impeached

April 16, 2005

By Greg Szymanski

...

U.S. government’s official story about the WTC attacks is an "unequivocal lie."


"I designed the strategy that took the House and Senate from Clinton," recalls Schwarz, also a strong supporter and strategist for President George H. Bush. "I designed that takeover two years before I realized the Republican "Contract with America" was actually a "Contract on America."

...

Saying the neo-cons within the government are destroying America for their own corporate-global benefits, Schwarz doesn’t mince words and is calling for the outright impeachment of President Bush, as well as removal of any member of Congress who aids and abets the corrupt powers within the executive branch.

...

Besides 9/11, Schwartz said the three major areas that need to be thoroughly investigated regarding the Bush administration’s present policies, include:

The administration ties with Afghanistan, the Taliban and the Bridas Corp. Schwarz claims a high ranking Bridas executive is one of his main sources, implicating the Bush administration with corruption involving the Taliban and the Afghan invasion, involving numerous breaches of contract due to military invasions.
Information implicating 9/11 Commission members with direct and indirect financial benefits due to the Bush policies in the Middle East.

...

"Whistleblowers Sibel Edmonds, Karen Kwiatkowski and others that I cannot disclose without jeopardizing their safety, including many members of the Armed Services have acted as my main sources," said Schwarz. "I’ve also had my own investigators working on issues regarding corporate fraud and that, in turn, uncovered the 9/11 related fraud on the part of the Bush administration."

more
http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/24248.htm

[ck4829]

1. Nominated

I keep seeing these links to the Taliban and the Bush Empire. The official story of 9/11 must also be challenged.

I applaud this former RW'er for waking up.

[alfredo]

31. My first impression after the second plane hit was,

This looks like a business deal gone bad,

[Horse with no Name]

2. Hope he doesn't have an affinity for small plane trips

or want to go have a look-see in Iraq...I understand that folks that know what they aren't supposed to tend to be involved in more car bombings than those that don't.:think:

[d_b]

57. True that.

Stay away from light aircraft.

[90-percent]

3. small planes

I suggest Mr. Schwarz stay out of them until three generations of Bushes are behind bars.

-85%

[wildmanj]

4. contract on america

so what's new

[NewJeffCT]

5. Schwartz threads ran into the hundreds of posts pre-election

I think he even responded on DU a few times.

[seemslikeadream]

21. Yes he was here posted 96 times

I posted the threads below

[Just Me]

28. He was turning to any open hearts/minds/forums.

What else can these people who have the facts about the truth do other than work their asses off to get the truth out to anyone open to receiving it?

:shrug:

I hope they NEVER GIVE UP!!!

[BamaBecky]

68. For some STUPID REASON Karl Schwarz [a great American] was tombstoned here

I wrote to Skinner at the time and tried to discover just what their issue was with Karl....no answer. Karl Schwarz has tirelessly and successfully spread the word concerning the DECEPTIONS leading up to the Iraq War with his Book 'One Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas'.....AND....has also lent his considerable time, energy, money and CLOUT to the DECEPTIONS surrounding 9/11. Karl Schwarz is a true patriot, a great American, and my personal hero! We Americans owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude! Karl was trained as an architect and became a successful entrepreneur. He discovered through RICO documents the underhanded 'dealings' of the Bush Bozo's and friends. Karl's book is full of proof that the 'oil pipeline' and not WMD's was the intent of Bush and his buddies going into Iraq! Do yourself a favor and go to www.KarlSchwarz.com and read his articles. They will open your eyes. You will understand just how courageous Karl is, how he has put his life out there on the line for all of us to learn the truth! Read his articles and book. Write to him and let him know that Becky sent ya! You really have to wonder about DU, when a man of his caliber gets tombstoned from DU. Is this really an independent Democratic board?

[NVMojo]

71. I just ordered his book ...I respect this man.

[seemslikeadream]

75. Thank you BamaBecky

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Thanks for this

I'm glad someone told about this. More proof they lied.

[LatePeriduct]

7. Your days are over Bush, the rapture will never happen!

You crazy psychotic man, when did you become so poisoned by such an idiotic dream!???!??

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp

http://www.yuricareport.com

"Meanwhile, Whitehead found out that his donations were slim due to fundraising efforts by Bruce W. Eberle, a conservative fundraiser hired by Paula's family, for the Paula Jones Legal Fund. The Fund was originally run by Cindy Hays, a GOP fundraiser and friend of Gil Davis, (her first atty). (p.116) Paula was told by Cindy that she could legitimately spend lots of this money for personal use, like hairstyles, travel, hotel costs, etc, ---- but later, lawsuits & IRS audits forced her to pay back $20,000.

"Nobody seems to be able to recollect when Bruce Eberle entered this effort, & documents are being held in confidence by his attys. Paula says she does not remember how she & Eberle got connected. But some documents suggest that the Jones camp "had ties to orgn's & individuals connected with Richard Mellon Scaife, the notorious Clinton-hating Pittsburgh billionaire". For instance, there are 2 photocopies of checks sent to the PJones Legal Fund in Oct & Nov 1995, by FLAG, (Fund for Living American Govt) a "charity" group in Wash DC, that is run by William J. Lehrfeld, (a Scaife atty). The amt of the check was $50,000, along with a note to PJ's atty that FLAG expected to be furnished with "suitable acctg of the fund's fees, expenses, & costs".

"Also, in this file was a letter from the SouthEastern Legal Foundation, (conservative legal group) that is funded by Scaife. The note praised Eberle for his work for SELF, and its star client, Gary Aldrich. (who was an FBI agent that wrote a book about his service in the Clinton White House (that was mostly fiction). Eberle donated $100,000 to the PJ Fund himself, and promised to raise over $300,000 later.""

http://www.pcactionfund.org/stepasideashcroft/letter01-15-04.htm

"Lauch Faircloth has always been openly opposed to allowing all Americans to vote. Lauch Faircloth has alwasy been openly opposed
to allowing all Americans to vote. He is a leader of CNP, the
Christian reconstructionists who believe only Christians should be allowed to vote. How can a voting machine company have so many executives line up behind a candidate who is opposed to counting all the votes? "

http://chalktalk.typepad.com/chalk_talk/2003/09/diebold_executi.html

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/8616/reconstructionists.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauch_Faircloth

"The corporate officers are as thick as thieves with the Republican hard right religious nut division. For those who have been lucky enough to forget, Senator Faircloth was the protege of Jesse Helms in NC. It looks like the board and the directors were all putting up money for a Faircloth victory when Edwards took that senate seat. I wonder if they conspired to put things right.....?

"Don't just scan over the following list of Diebold's board and officers - look for patterns. Why were they all so set on Faircloth, Voinowhasit and DeWine? This looks too bizarre for words. Did they have some litmus test that required donations to these ultra right wing loonies?"
http://cronus.com/electionfraud

Paula Jones: Aside from her share of the $800,000 Clinton paid to make her go away, she received $100,000 from fund-raiser Bruce Eberle for the right to use her name in fund-raising appeals. She received only $1,000 for appearing in "The Clinton Chronicles." (More than $200,000 was paid out to individuals featured in Matrisciana's anti-Clinton videos between 1994 and 1996.)

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2000/payoff.html

Did I mention Diebold doesn't really care by the way?

[AuntiBush]

23. It was all that LIQUOR & McSpoon Usage!

And command under the great hidden Master-Puppeteer!

You're not alone w/wanting to see that Impeachment.

[BamaBecky]

65. Help me out with this.................

Bobby Eberle of Talon News hires the now infamous Jeff Gannon

Bruce Eberle that you spoke of..............

and finally

Philip Eberle and his wife known by the LAPD as peddlers of porn......and better known as court witness of child sex abuse in the McMartin Day care case.....

I think I have my facts correct....please correct me if I'm wrong....

Are these fine upstanding citizens all members of the same family?

[DURHAM D]

8. Someone help me please - what is the significance of the

737 instead of 767 - military plane?

[MelissaB]

10. I'm wondering the same thing.

:kick: for an answer.

[NVMojo]

72. yet another neocon lie uncovered ...

[peacetalksforall]

16. Google transponders + Harrisburg, PA + flight paths. I will try to find

the precise URL - it contains one of the most fascinating theories I've ever read about how all the passengers from all four flights ended up on Flight 93. It involves starting with more than four aircraft, turning off transponders which negate tracking by altitude, how the paths (aircraft paths) are switched sending all the passengers to Harrisburg, PA and a timeline of how it could have worked...sending empty planes into the towers remotely?

Extra stuff - remote control has already permitted a similarly large commercial aircraft to fly from the U.S. to Australia. The Republican (a pnacer?) who founded and ran the company that developed the remote controllers left the company to run the financial end of the DOD during the start up of Bush War II and the disappearance of a couple of bucks, then returned to his own company.

[MissWaverly]

20. but there were bodies from passengers in NY

I remember reading that they found a pair of hands still in handcuffs
on top of one of the buildings near where the towers fell.

[peacetalksforall]

27. I hadn't heard about a pair of hands in handcuffs...were they identified

as coming from a one of the victims or a so-called terrorist?

[MissWaverly]

30. Here's link for AP story about hands found on rooftop

they were not in handcuffs, the article said they were "bound" so
I assumed that they were from the airplanes. I got a little excited, when they said they were all transferred to PA!

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/16_APfrustrated.html

WTC Rescuers Grow Frustrated By Search

LARRY NEUMEISTER
Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) -- With each passing, fruitless hour, the men and women who combed the wreckage of the World Trade Center grew more frustrated Sunday, their hopes of finding survivors dashed at every turn.

It was easy to see why rescuers were numb. Among the grisly finds at the site were a pair of hands, bound together, found on a rooftop.

[Clark2008]

56. That would be from the "Flight of the Bumble Planes"

http://www.public-action.com/911/bumble.html

First Clue -- Few Passengers On The Four Flights: Many have remarked about the short passenger lists on the four 911 jets. You might get a low turnout for a 767 or 757 now and then, but four coast to-coast flights taking off from the East inside of a few minutes of each other, all with short passenger lists? Nuts. That's your first clue.

Second Clue -- First Report of First WTC Crash: The second clue comes from the first New York eyewitness on NBC. She had no question about what she saw. You could hear it in her voice. If she was the state's witness, the defense team would have their heads between their knees before she stopped talking.

SNIP

Later, some dodgy report came in from an anonymous source in the "United Airlines Command Center" that American Airlines had a hijacking, and they gradually padded the story out until the viewer felt like he was part of an unfolding revelation on the size and make of the plane. So the first eyewitness's story got shellacked.

Third clue -- Pentagon Crash: The first report on NBC said there had been an explosion near the Pentagon heliport. No mention of a plane.

If you were watching ABC, the first reports cited eyewitnesses who said a business jet had crashed into the Pentagon. Notice that this description is similar to the first report about the WTC. A small plane, not a big, round-nosed passenger jet.

Then ABC interviewed some media executive who said he "saw the whole thing" from his car on the freeway. It was an American Airlines passenger jet. Good luck the road didn't need his attention while he was gawking. And of course it was a big passenger jet scraping the light poles with it's belly as it came in low. And that story paved the way for the official truth.

Fourth Clue -- No Boeing 757 Debris at Pentagon Crash Site: By now lots of people have realized there is something very wrong with the story of Flight 77's crash into the Pentagon. What's the problem? The wingspan of a 757 is about 125 feet, with about 35 feet between the two jet engines.

[FreedomAngel82]

67. Something I've always wondered

is why don't they ever show anything of the Pentagon except those few photos? I remember reading a gas station on down the road had security cameras facing the Pentagon and caught the whole thing on tape. Minute's after that happened the FBI took the tapes. The owner never saw anything in the tapes. The hole is way too small for a plane and there's still office supplies that weren't destroyed (you can see a computer, desk chair and a phone hanging off the hook).

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Something to check out

is on the site reopen911.org they have this link about Barbara Olson's phone call. What do you all think about this?

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305124.shtml

[smirkymonkey]

9. Kicked and Nominated!

I always thought it was a "Contract on America" issued by the BFEE Cosa Nostra.

:kick:

[benddem]

11. the whole thing about the differences in the plane

the govt. says struck the Trade Tower and the one the photo shows bothers me. What happened to the plane we know took off from Boston? Are those people all in a gulag in Siberia????

[Nostradammit]

38. Or embedded in Shanksville?

Someday we'll know.

[shanti]

58. yeah, just like

we know about jfk's assasination :eyes:

[applegrove]

12. The whole point is to break the back of the democracy. Appealing

to Christian and racists. Break the back of the beast, bankrupt it, then the American Elites can rule the world. Oh and the little people will have to compete with "guest workers" just like in the Saudi Arabian empire.

I agree with the contract on America title. I do not agrre that the type of plane info means anything of signifigance.

[peacetalksforall]

13. First comment is about the 737....what does he mean that not even two

engines of a 737 could fly a 767? None of those aircraft have just one engine...what did I miss? Help!

[pnorman]

14. I'm stil Googling,

but mainly what I'm searching for is something to establish this Karl Schwartz's bona fides, from BEFORE 9-11. I've never heard of this person in this context until now.

pnorman

[seemslikeadream]

17. He is real and he did post here

I'm looking for the rest of the threads, here's one
NEW Karl Schwarz thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2512031

Karl posted by the name of KWBS

[seemslikeadream]

18. Here's another thread

Demand Letter To Bush From Karl W. B. Schwarz - Details A Conspiracy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2504341

[pnorman]

29. What I was looking for was his bona fides from BEFORE 9-11.

I started Googling his name and his (alleged) company. Here's one 'hit' just CRAWLING with "interesting stuff": http://karmakat.typepad.com/picasso_dreams/2004/10/karl_schwarz_an.html

Bon Appetit! It may take me quite a while to backtrack all of that stuff, and either confirm or refute it.

pnorman

[shanti]

59. but but...

he's been tombstoned. why is that?

[seemslikeadream]

60. When someone leaves Democratic Underground shanti

even voluntarily there is a tombstone. You should know that. He came here to answer some questions and then left.

[shanti]

63. of course i know what tombstone means

but i thought it was always for being removed UNvoluntarily. too bad he didn't stick around, but i could understand why he wouldn't....this information, if followed up on, could tear the * admin apart.

[shanti]

70. my bad

s/b involuntarily. :eyes:

[applegrove]

15. Okay - I un-nominate. I like the title. Should have read further. Just

because a wrong type plane hit the towers, does not mean it was all a lie. What did the report say?

Did some government official just missuse the numbers? If film footage really going to tell you what type of plane it was?

I big plan is a big plane. Me, I saw both crashes, the second one live and I never thought they were jumbo jets.

I just don't see what this means.

This is not proof of anything.

[peacetalksforall]

19. See post 16 above. n/t

[applegrove]

35. I think you enjoy this. The hard slog that is 'you have sociopaths

in your life (in the WH) and you have to learn to live a diminished life because you are in the presence of evil and there is nothing you can do about it except to watch them destroy everything you hold dear ' is less sexy. If it could be proven that they faked 9/11, then you get an out. The problem is not so bad and the Main Stream Media has been tricked instead of being taken over. Taken over is worse. Reality has been taken over. On the whole. In big huge ways. The plan was a whole lot bigger and longer than just a day in September. You were not there to witness any of these events you talk of. You did witness two separate planes being flown into the building... follow your own dam eyes. And not hearsay. The sociopaths in the WH will use hearsay to mess you up, stir the conspiracy pot and separate you from the rest of the DU.

Take a step back. Don't fall into the trap. The crimes are much worse than you initially think. You try and explain a limited crime (like 9/11 and then maybe the election day). That is because that is as much as you can take. What is going on in the USA is an unlimited takeover of your country by the malevolent elites.

Grieve. You step back and look at the patterns and see that it is much worse, more evil and has been going on for a much longer time than you could possibly imagine. Psychopaths plan for years. The one who stalked me was seeking revenge for me not being impressed with his rudeness and emotional explosion, and then not remembering him. I have no idea all he did but he had targetted me years before I worked at a place with him and figured him out. Sociopaths are opportunists. They wait for the right time. They will wait for a long time. They take advantage of tradgedies.

9/11 fell into their laps. You should be really angry that you were traumatized by 9/11 and then your president exploited and lied you into participating in another war. He purposely (and his sociopathic politicos purposefully) kept you frightened. They purposefully do not come clean. And it means people like you do not know what to think. While their lies & exploitation continue. Look at SS reform? That was a dupe to put the stock market in another bubble. There is so much that they are actually doing. You should take a step back and look at that. And cry and grieve. And let go of the details of 9/11 because there is nothing there but lies and spoon-feeding and nefarious characters who mean you ill-will by continuing to make up lies. You should never get information from a source that is not well known. You can get opinion from anywhere but the basic facts must come from a news source (unfortunately). The MSM still reports the facts (even though they have stopped reporting anything beyond the basics.

That is what you should be mad at. The humanity, the potential for wasted lives, the purposeful life diminishment. The sociopathy in the WH. The situation you are in where you do not know where to turn. That is what they did to you. And they meant to. And all you know is what you have seen & heard with your own eyes.

But get educated. The buildings fell exactly as engineers would have expected them to seeing as how they were designed and build different than all other buildings. There is always huge rumor around traumatic events witnessed by millions. Your WH exploits your pain and the fact you know them to be liars.

[seemslikeadream]

24. Too bad you weren't here when Karl was

you could have discussed this with him. Do you know who Sibel Edmonds is?

[Just Me]

26. I hope you're not missing the whole picture context and puzzle.

I hope I hope I hope.

[enid602]

73. WTC

WTC architects and engineers were quoted (after 9/11) as saying that only the newer 767's had the size and generated enough heat to melt the steel infrastructure the held up the WTC. Unlike most buildings, the WTC's steel infrastructure was for the most part concentrated around elevator shafts inside the buildings, as opposed to being concentrated along the outer walls. Once this infrastructure was broken, the weight of the upper floors caused the lower floors to pancake; hence the fall of the towers. These same architects and engineers defended their design of the towers, as the largest aircraft of the day (727's and 737's) would not have been able to impact the infrastructure. They did not foresee the advent of larger planes.

Those who contend that smaller planes struck the towers say that there must have been explosives planted in the basement to cause the towers to fall. Who would do this, or why is not explained.

[enid602]

74. WTC

oOOPS. aM POSTING IN ERROR, AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO DELETE.

[FreedomAngel82]

79. If you visit

the website reopen911.org they have a video where a guy is talking about the bombs had just gone off and all that's left is the smoke etc. :\ Here's a direct link: http://reopen911.org/video/collapse.mov

It's towards the end and he says: "It's bombed down now. It's just a cloud of smoke."

[applegrove]

81. That proves nothing. Anyone can put up a site. Conspiracy theorists

or rovbots trying to divide the Democrats are stirring the pot. Either one... is not good. You don't want to be there.

The real tragedy here is that George W. Bush is such an asshole and a crummy leader that he took his people who had been traumatized and he lied to them and used them.

That is almost criminal. I hope a trial lawyer or two get ahold of the rovbots who do the most psychic damage on-line and sue them under the mental health act.

We should not be stuck in 9/11. We have bigger problems. We have a rogue Presidency. We have Utopian/freaky neocons who want the world to be remade into a place where humans have no control over markets or the market tools humans invented like corporations.

We have a lot of work to do.

Please come back to the fold of reality! Sociopaths like those in the WH are opportunists. The cause of terrorism was elitism in the ME and that elitism was encouraged by the right wing nuts in American administrations over the year. So yes the Bush family must take some blame for making deals with the elites way past the 1960s (when the colonial thing had pretty much proven itself to be not good). The right wing in the USA, including Rumsfield, Cheney, Wolfowitz et all, the right wing ran around undoing democracy whenever the elites suited them better. Jean Kirkpatrick even wrote that in the ME they could not do democracy and the neocons followed this like Regan did. The put Saddam in place. They were wrong. So now Bush Jr rolls into Iraq to fix the mistakes of his for-fathers that cause 9/11 by causing a lack of democracy in the mid-east, and he tries to invent a new creation myth for democracy in the Mid East which nobody is buying.

So in a sense Bush & his WH staffers are responsible for 9/11. They just didn't do it directly or plan to do it. They probably used the threat of terrorism to put of democratic reforms and now they realize democracy is the only thing that stops such tribalism.

So history will write that conservatives & the odd democratic president are responsible for the mess in the Mid East. To some extent. Certainly Saddam Hussein's trial will bring up numerous Bush Sr. & Rumsfield & Cheney dealings with Saddam over the years. That will be interesting.

There is so much bad stuff out there. All you have to do is step away from the first moment you were traumatized. Grieve the loss of security & majesty that was America. That is over with. Step back and look at the greater patterns of the Bush WH. There is more awfulness, hypocrisy and sociopathy there than you could imagine.

But you have to step away from the site (websites too) of the crime that bin Laden did on 9/11. He was trained by the CIA in Afghanistan to help fight the Soviets. He inherited and had at his disposal oil money that went to Saudi elites through the policies of Oil Presidents like the Bushes. You are right in saying that this mess has the fingerprints of the WH on it. You just will never find the proof that it was more direct because indirect in how it happened. Selfishness & greed are the reasons for 9/11. The anti-dote is for democracy to happen in the mid-east (as it tried to do in some places but was shot down by colonial authorities & the USA). Democracy means everyone will be working and busy living their lives and the elites will not accumulate so much money that they fund the tribes below (to keep the hierarchies in place that discourage democratic thinking like Islam).

You have a problem with the elites in the USA trying to create tribalism below (religious fundies & hate between disparate groups). That is the fight you need to be at. My gosh - the monsters in the WH either never learn or they are sociopaths and they learn all too well. The USA is now being restructured to resemble Saudi Arabia (so that American elites and corporations will have the unlimited wealth).

Grieve 9/11 and get over it. Avoid those sites that could be pot-stirring by the GOP (to separate you from the rest of the Democrats...just like they did when the GOP (or agent thereof funded Nader). Grieve so that you can be there in the long hard slog to fight this Bush WH and all the changes they will try and impose to turn the democracy America into the Oligarchy like Saudi Arabia.


Take a step back (grieve your trauma & the loss of your great country). So you can look at the greater patterns of these monsters. Because unlike details... the overall patterns cannot hide themselves or mix one up.

Step back. I assure you the Bush White House is just as creepy and evil if you stand and look at them from the vantage point of an adult who is thinking clearly.

[seemslikeadream]

82. YOU ARE SAYING TO GET OVER 9/11!!! TRY TELLING THESE THEOLOGIANS

TO GET OVER IT.

WYOU-TV/Channel 4, 7 p.m. Thursday

Theologian calls for response to 9/11

By Samara Kalk Derby
April 19, 2005


Griffin, whose book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11," came out a year ago, drew an enthusiastic standing ovation from the majority of the 400 or so people who packed his lecture Monday night at Bascom Hall.

A retired Christian theologian, Griffin, 65, taught for more than 30 years at the Claremont School of Theology in California.

His comments Monday night were directed at religious people, who he said need to respond to Sept. 11 - and the American empire that has ensued - based on the moral principles of their religious traditions.

Drawing laughter from the crowd, Griffin said he had in mind principles like: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors' oil" and "Thou shalt not murder thy neighbors in order to steal their oil."


While Griffin noted that his books and talks have not received attention from the mainstream media, C-SPAN had a cameraman at the event and plans to air the lecture at a future date. Madison's public access cable television station, WYOU-TV/Channel 4, meanwhile, will air the talk at 7 p.m. Thursday.
more
http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/index.php?ntid=36617&ntpid=3


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1406835

[applegrove]

80. They also did not foresee that jet fuel would ignite desks, walls, cushion,

tables, etc. So even when the jet fuel was all burnt off, the floors kept burning and the weakened steel that ran from the structural steel outside walls to the structural steel elevator area... once they were hot enough to be weak and with the weight of the floors above... the floors began to pancake and then the elevator core and the outside steel wall collapsed as each floor went down (momentum created after the first floors collapsed at fire level just sped up).

Interesting to note that the second WTC Tower hit was the first to fall because the jet had hit so much further down in the building that there was that much more weight on top of the actual burning floors.

It is about the strength of the non-structural steel as it got heated to the weight of the floors above.

A very rare construction for a building but one made because of the height and wind problem (they put structural steel on the outside so the WTC would bend less in the wind). And the massive need for elevators (which meant they designed a unique structure for the elevators at the core of the building). And then they just gingerly connected the two with floors in between.

IMHO

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. uh oh. I hope Mr. Schwarz stays off of small aircraft.

:scared: We need an ARMY of people like this to come forward. That's the only way the chimp will ever be impeached.

[Just Me]

25. In case I haven't said this in awhile, I admire you,...

,..and sincerely love you for the contributions you bring to this site,...and to "Just Me".

Thank you SO MUCH "seemslikeadream"!!! You are an amazing person!!!

:hug:

[seemslikeadream]

61. Thanks Just Me, I have something for you

You are, as always very kind.



A little video to watch :hi:
http://eclectech.co.uk/compostbin.php

[seemslikeadream]

32. 9-11: Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble-new article by C. Schwarz

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=32211

[chlamor]

33. All the Pop Goes....Articles

Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 1: The 9-11 Commission
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120404Schw...

Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 2: 9/11 Commission and Bridas
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/121004Schw...

Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 3: 9-11 served a multitude of purposes
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/121704Schw...

Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 4: More reasons to not investigate 9-11
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/011405Schw...


Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 5: Exploding the myth of the Bushes as an all-American family
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/020205Schw...

Pop goes the Bush Mythology Bubble
Part 6: This world is led by 4-star clowns, liars and frauds

By Karl W. B. Schwarz
Online Journal Contributing Writer

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/021205Schw...
 

[Dover]

34. If this guy REALLY had a smoking gun, would he still be alive?

I don't know....but can't imagine they'd let him talk...unless he is spreading some sort of misinformation they want out.

[LatePeriduct]

37. Yes he would, because they are too dumb. n/t

These guys aren't as experienced as a real network.

[rman]

43. so you're saying there is a conspiracy of sorts,

but everyone who's spilling beans about it is in fact a disinformation operative?

[seventythree]

36. curious

has anyone read the 9/11 Cover Up? Saw it recently, and thought it looked good, but failed to purchase it thinking I could find it at a local book store, but couldn't. I think I'll try the library.

[Jose Diablo]

39. I think Schwarz is a disinformation specialist

He was here last August/September posting a open letter to Bu$h about all the criminal activities Bu$h has been doing.

But here is the deal. When researchers here on DU attempted to run background checks on the net on his corporations they got zilch. It was like this guy popped-up out of nowhere.

A very effective way to discount/discredit an investigation into something that could lead to the truth is to throw-up a bunch of stories that sound plausible but aren't. Then when the false stories are proved wrong, the real truth is buried along with the false stories. Disinformation. Smoke.

Think of it like UFO stories. If there is a new advanced airplane for example, and witnesses seeing this airplane perform, then a few stories can be thrown out there about UFO contacts and whatnot. People say these UFO stories are just plain nuts and the real story about a very advanced airplane is buried also.

[rman]

41. if he's for real, efforts to discredit him are to be expected

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[seemslikeadream]

42. Maybe you could show me where that is Jose Diablo

You say
When researchers here on DU attempted to run background checks on the net on his corporations they got zilch

I don't remember that as a matter of fact just the opposite is true read the links above and point that out to me please.

[Jose Diablo]

45. You have a star

Run a search. You will find several posts on those Schwarz threads where people ask Schwarz and his supporters repeatedly to explain why there are no records whatsoever of his so called corporations worth billions.

Then he (Schwarz) tries to explain away the lack of any public information as the corporation works on classified projects, thus very hush hush.

And then here on DU, a flash fire between those that want to believe, and those that say, show me the proof. In the end, there is no proof and everyone goes back to normal, yet somehow feels cheated like a high school boy that was promised something, yet somehow at the end of the evening got nothing after wasting his money.

I want to believe what Schwarz says is true, but I have reached the point of saying show me the truth. All this shit thrown around about 9-11 has obscured what has happened, much like with Kennedy. I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of 9-11 because all these turkeys on the net making money on their sites with ads and pop-ups. But what is on many of these sites is pure bullshit, more or designed to generate traffic and money for them.

Seemslikeadream, you show me the proof about 9-11, do not attempt to discount what I am saying about Schwarz until all those posts from back then are answered as to Schwarz's credentials. Then I will entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe he is legitimate.

[seemslikeadream]

47. Just did that see post #44

[Al-CIAda]

54. You are good to be skeptical, but perhaps these links/info might

be of assistance-

A funny thing happened on the way to 'The Truth'

By Karl W. B. Schwarz
Online Journal Guest Writer

September 24, 2004—I am a conservative Republican who has come to the conclusion over the past 12 months that I would not vote for Bush Cheney 2004 under bribe, duress or at gunpoint. I have come to that conclusion for many reasons that are well documented and in some instances is information that is known only to myself and several executives that I work with.

I have written a book about my experiences with the Republican National Committee (RNC) and Bush Cheney, and bring forth facts that I found stunning and disgusting to the point that I am convinced that both the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and RNC, and our political system, are in need a serious house cleaning.....

...eight of the 10 9-11 Commission members (that I know of) are directly benefiting from 9-11 or companies they represent or sit on the board of directors of that pipeline, that big Caspian Oil deal being "open for business" soon, thanks to the US controlled pipeline, so I think we can all rest assured that The Truth Commission on 9-11 has yet to convene. The ones with serious conflicts are Kean, Fielding, Lehman, Thompson, Hamilton, Gorelick, Ben Veniste, and Roemer and just for kicks, a former Lee Hamilton staffer, Christopher Kojm, was in the back office with Zelikow....

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/092404Schwarz/092404schwarz.html

Recent Audio Interview-(Realplayer)

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt/0410/20041012_Tue_Stadtmiller.ram

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9/11 Commission: The official coverup guide

The Kean Commission came to New York the second week of May for a two-day set of hearings at The New School University. As hundreds of Sept. 11th family members, reporters and curious New Yorkers lined up for airport-style security checks, they received copies of a new 24-page booklet published by NY 9/11 Truth, with help from 911Truth.org.
"Scamming America: The Official 9/11 Cover-up" is named after a quote by former Sen. Max Cleland, who resigned from the commission last November with the words, "Bush is scamming America."
Cleland attacked his own commission after the other members cut a deal to accept highly limited access to CIA reports to the White House that may indicate advance knowledge of the attacks on the part of the Bush administration. "This is a scam," Cleland said. "It's disgusting. America is being cheated."
"As each day goes by," Cleland said, "we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has ever admitted.... Let's chase this rabbit into the ground. They had a plan to go to war and when 9/11 happened that's what they did; they went to war."
The new booklet features articles about the Kean Commission's breathtaking conflicts of interest and complete failure to ask any of the questions about September 11 that really matter.

Download a PDF of the booklet
http://www.911truth.org/media/9-11_coverup_booklet.pdf


http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040525104145424
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Audio interviews-
Sibel Edmonds is discussed and is an integral part of the Karl Schwarz story as well...

NATIONAL INTEL REPORT
Thu., January 13, 2005: Playlists: M3U | RAM (Individual MP3s: Hr1 Hr2 )
Guests: 1st Hour - Karl Schwarz (www.KarlSchwarz.com)
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt05.html

Thu., January 27, 2005: Playlists: M3U | RAM (Individual MP3s: Hr1 Hr2 )
Guests: 1st Hour - Karl Schwarz (www.KarlSchwarz.com)
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt05.html

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A Conservative Christian Republican asks: Are "Paid For" Christians Hypocrites in how they Vote?
by Karl W. B. Schwarz
(Friday 12 November 2004)
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"Would Jesus lie to the world to justify an attack on another nation, the killing of now over 100,000 Iraqis? No, certainly not, but that is what George W. Bush did and then lied to get the Christian vote."
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I am an ecumenical Christian that believes that one of the most important things that God requires of me is the use of discernment. In that I mean, I am required to pay attention, use critical thinking to see things as they are, not as someone tells me to believe they are. The Bible tells me to “recognize them by their fruits” and when those fruits are evil the person behind them is evil too.
I do not blindly accept what George W. Bush or Cheney say to me or anyone else for that matter. I do not blindly accept what Bill O’Reilly, or Sean Hannity or a plethora of other talking heads say to me via their media outlets. I listen, I weigh, I research deeper and decide on facts.
In Corinthians 2:14-16: ““The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind if the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.””
In Philippians 1: 9-11: “And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ – to the glory and praise of God.”
The Bible is full of warnings to Christians to use discernment in all matters, and that means using their own hearts, minds, eyes, and thinking for themselves, not blindly following what their minister or others say for all of them can still be wrong. In fact, one can do the right thing and still be wrong, so caution and prudence are wise things. One can even be “too bluntly truthful” and sin.
I see many Christians that blindly follow what their pastor tells them to do, even when that pastor might be dead wrong or the counsel seriously tainted maybe even to the point of being “advice of commission of sin”. I think and as a Christian believe that such blind obedience is dangerous and sinful.
Hitler professed his Christianity to justify his actions, so need I say more that not all that use the claim are worthy of using it? I did not support or vote for Bush Cheney because I clearly see them as fascists and arrogance of power wrapped up in a false Christianity. I see glee in death and destruction as they and their friends plunder this world for billions and trillions in present and future monies.
I am also a Conservative Republican that did not back Bush Cheney 2004 and still do not back them for good cause. I am not a fascist and I clearly see Bush Cheney as fascists that will tell you any lie to get you to buy off on their agenda. I see lies veiling unmitigated greed on a scale that is colossal and unprecedented in United States history.
The God I believe in tells me to not follow liars. The God I believe in tells me to not hold up high our Americanized greed, avarice, corruption, and to always seek the truth. Lest you have not noticed, Bush – Cheney have a serious aversion to the truth and that tells me that they have a reason to fear the truth. Lest you have not noticed, greed is the hallmark of the Bush Cheney Administration, greed in its purest and rawest, most evil form.
I have been watching a trend for many years where the Republicans have been wooing the Far Right Christians first with promises of “moral values” and then with an avalanche of federal funding in the form of “faith-based initiatives”. It is when certain religious leaders accept funding from “their wealthy government masters” and then turn around and advise Christians that those same masters are the only ones deserving of their vote that we might have some of Dante’s Seven Deadly Sins at play within our churches.
The Bible warns that the root of all evil is money and when Christian pastors get more money from the government than they get from their flock, I begin to question the integrity of their preaching, their vote, and their advice to their congregation. I see many instances where Christian discernment is subordinated to the minister accepting considerable sums of money from the government. The thought of “bribe” comes to mind, and 30 pieces of silver to sell out to the god of money.
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Maybe they will use their own heads instead of letting others fill it up with falsehoods, intentionally misleading hype, fears that are nothing but fear mongering, and think for a change. God gave us all a brain; it amazes me how few have yet to learn how to use it.
Please sign the petition and the Justicefor9-11.org petition if you too demand the truth and justice regarding September 11, 2001. There is much truth to be found and we have a National Capitol that is full of people that have an aversion to the truth. It is time that we as American Citizens get to the bottom of what they fear so much and why they fear the truth.

Long detailed, con't-
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/11295

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[SlowDownFast]

55. Online Journal -

Schwarz is right alongside Wayne Madson:

always sketchy facts and alot of un-named 'sources'.

Not saying that much of what they purport isn't true to some degree-

just sketchy facts and un-named 'sources'= nothing tangible or substantive.

[Jose Diablo]

62. This is exactly what I am talking about

"always sketchy facts and alot of un-named 'sources'."

From http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/092404Schwarz/092404schwarz.html

We get:

Guess what law firm represented Turkmenneft to keep Bridas tied up in court? Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw, and senior partner Richard Ben Veniste was sitting on that 9-11 Commission while Bridas was winning. His law firm stands to make hundreds of millions in fees having now positioned themselves in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.

And also, above too:

Lastly, eight of the 10 9-11 Commission members (that I know of) are directly benefiting from 9-11 or companies they represent or sit on the board of directors of that pipeline, that big Caspian Oil deal being "open for business" soon, thanks to the US controlled pipeline, so I think we can all rest assured that The Truth Commission on 9-11 has yet to convene. The ones with serious conflicts are Kean, Fielding, Lehman, Thompson, Hamilton, Gorelick, Ben Veniste, and Roemer and just for kicks, a former Lee Hamilton staffer, Christopher Kojm, was in the back office with Zelikow.

But yet none of the conflicts of interest of the other 7 are detailed. Now if there are conflicts as indicated by the other 7 receiving material aid while also sitting on a committee to determine what exactly happened, then it would seem to me that whomever installed these people on the committee is also culpable, and that person is Bu$h. Yet in the article, other that Ben Veniste, the article doesn't detail the other conflicts. Why not? And why, if this is true, hasn't any connections been detailed anyplace.

In any court in this country, if a judge has a material interest in the outcome of the trial, and they agree to hear the case, they could lose their job and very possibly go to jail.

Why doesn't Schwarz just detail the facts, rather than making the claim then skimming over the substance part that would convict the committee members? It was the same way, last year, all air, no substanciated facts.

Maybe it is because the statement about 8 committee members with conflicts is not true. Where is the proof, the details. Who and what corporations and positions. If Schwarz has them by the nuts with proof, why doesn't he publish the proof? Or do I need to buy the book?

Also, as for the single member detailed, Ben Veniste, does being a senior partner in a law firm automatically disqualify him to be a committee member? I would say so, but could someone with experience at a law firm say this is true.

Look, to bring Bu$h and this cabal down is gonna take facts, that can be proved in court. I know the sucker is dirty, but how to prove it?

[seemslikeadream]

44. Here is where ProdigalJunkMail offers an apology to Schwarz

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529929

[Jose Diablo]

49. Oh my

Prodigal has admitted that Schwarz told him that because of pending patents Schwarz says he cannot discuss why his corporations do not have any public information.

I am calling bullshit. It stinks.

On edit: I have more important things to do, like cutting back the Kudzoo in the backyard.

[BamaBecky]

78. Jose Diablos & Utopiansecretagent your post SCREAMS DISINFORMATION ARTISTS

and proves that you have not done your HOMEWORK. Would you tell the world what your business dealings were if you were out there spreading the truth about one of the most dangerous cabals??? Would you lay it all out there for them???? Schwarz is extremely smart....beyond just intelligent....and armed with lawyers....and researchers......AND WAY THE HELL AHEAD OF YOU....on the way to the truth.....

We are not going to spoon feed you his credentials. If you read his work you will learn all you need to about his credibility, clout and his CHARACTER. Your words do this great man a terrible injustice. Wise up, wake up and read!:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:

[rman]

40. video clip: Karl Schwartz testimony before "Reopen 911" panel

"...an interview i heard on the radio one time, that lead me to Sibel Edmonds... I'm not under a gag order..."
"...sometimes you have to wade through 10, 15 or 20 shell corporations just to find out who the real owner of something is. And what we found was the same thing she found. She found drug trafficing, money laudering, she found foreign names and she found American names in the financing of 9-11." - Karl Schwartz

http://www.reopen911.org/video/cte_26.mov

http://www.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

[seemslikeadream]

46. Thanks for bringing up Sibel Edmonds rman

Sibel is VERY credible and since they've joined together Schwarz seems to be even more so.

[H2O Man]

48. Very interesting.

Thank you for adding another important thread.

[EFerrari]

50. I'm watching Torquemada Gonzalez report that Moussaui's guilt

is now no longer in doubt. The good news just keeps rolling in. :sarcasm:

Everything that Schwarz says is consistent with what many people have believed -- not known, but believed. He's in good company with Edmonds and Kwiatowski.

But now that Moussaoui has confessed, I guess we should just forget about it.

It's funny because no one is going to get very upset about conspiracy, the murder of innocents or even fascism. But, watch this, a LOT of people are getting very upset about the cost of gas. That will be Bus's tipping point. Bet me :)

[seemslikeadream]

51. Three more interesting threads

All Things Must Pass: Beyond Plame
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2384220

Sibel Edmonds translated Farsi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2238307

Translator alleges FBI / State Dept espionage, possible treason
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=11277#11770

[indepat]

52. Virtually every neocon initiative is a contract on America, its

Constitution.

[Octafish]

53. Made. My. Day.

"Saying the neo-cons within the government are destroying America for their own corporate-global benefits, Schwarz doesn’t mince words and is calling for the outright impeachment of President Bush, as well as removal of any member of Congress who aids and abets the corrupt powers within the executive branch."

End of Quote.

That says it all.

Thanks, Dreamy!

[nolabels]

64. Hehe, just like any other place people hang, some nuts will tag along

Of course, just like me and few others, we all need a home. :rant: I am not saying anyone is anything but I do see this wording

Alien Presence on Earth and UFO Phenomena

In the last paragraph of the home page.

The Arctic Beacon, the last frontier of truth, is an alternative news publication and radio broadcast founded on the principles of free speech fundamentally protected by the U.S. Constitution. Free speech was not intended to be a wreckless adventure in communication, but a voyage into diverse, conflicting and unpopular viewpoints. This voyage, however, should be confidently navigated without overly broad financial, social or moral constraints. Unfortunately, the maintream media has never followed such a course. Instead, acting as an intellectual prostitute, lacking the courage to report the truth and express honest opinions.

That is not our intention here. The Arctic Beacon's "soul is not for sale." Accordingly, our intended course is formatted in a monthly, highly colorful news magazine covering but not limited to the following topics: Government Secrets and Cover-ups; Religious and Spirtual Phenomena; Unpopular Science; Suppressed Health Alternatives; Legal/ Social Injustice and Environmental Protection and Alien Presence on Earth and UFO Phenomena. Our news magazine and radio broadcast is not affiliated with any political, religious or spirtual groups or organizations and openly denounces any hidden agenda contained therein.
(snip)
http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/arcticbeacon.html

Made me feel at home too. I don't believe in any of that kind of wacky stuff, but other kinds of wacky stuff I think could be possible :shrug:

We don't live in perfect world so why would anyone expect that from anyone else in particular (this goes especially for self :spank:)

Btw that beacon might want to try downloading one of them trial spell-checkers for the copy too :hi:

[BamaBecky]

69. kick

[BamaBecky]

76. kick for the morning crowd

[Deja Q]

77. Just how far does aiding and abetting go?

Lots of neocon policies had been signed into law; with NAFTA being one of the low-key but earlier ones and the bankruptcy bill being the latest, unless that's stretching the concept but the neocons clearly love it.