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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 01:23 AM
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General Sanchez Clean as a Whistle
To nobody's surprise, the Army found its top brass innocent of any wrongdoing in Abu Ghraib. The sole exception is General Janis Karpinski who was negligent. Kinda figures the only general they'd blame would be a woman.


Don't look at me --
I didn't do SHIT

The Army has cleared four top officers -- including the three-star general who commanded U.S. forces in Iraq -- of allegations of wrongdoing in connection with prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib, officials said Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/22/abu.ghraib.brass.ap/index.html

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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 01:31 AM
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1. Good news...
I dont think Sanchez did anything wrong.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:49 AM
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5. really???
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/040405F.shtml


Editor's Note: The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has written to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, asking him to open a perjury investigation of Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the former US Military commander in Iraq.
According to an official memo dated September 14, 2003, and signed by Gen. Sanchez, he personally authorized the use of coercive interrogation techniques outlawed by the Geneva Conventions. In sworn testimony before the Senate Armed Services committee, he denied ever approving such techniques in Iraq.

The ACLU obtained a physical copy of the memo by suing the Defense Department under the Freedom of Information Act. Below, you will find a copy from the ACLU along with a typed transcript prepared by t r u t h o u t. - sw

see complete Sanchez memo:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/040405F.shtml

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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:46 PM
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9. I repeat...
I dont think Sanchez did anything wrong.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:03 PM
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10. explanation?
of course I know the administration, the media etc. find perjury (and torture)perfectly OK. Am I wrong to take it you share that view?
Without further explanation that is the impression you leave.
:shrug:
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:15 PM
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11. I dont think there isnt anything wrong with...
using coercion in military interogations.

While I think Sanchez may have authorized that I dont think he authorized his subordinates to beat anyone to death or cut them up, and IMO thats the only thing that was wrong with Abu Ghraib.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:36 PM
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12. Sanchez
authorized coercive interrogation techniques outlawed by the Geneva Conventions.

whatever floats your boat.. :eyes:
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 11:48 PM
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13. Geneva Conventions...
only apply to the uniformed military of a nation.

Tear Gas is against the Geneva Conventions yet people here arent posting threads about it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:57 AM
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:21 AM
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3. so... he's clean as a dirty sanchez whistle...
whatever that would mean, exactly. it doesn't sound good...
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:22 AM
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4. The foxes investitgated the hen house
torture and slayings and cleared the other foxes.

All is well at the Bush Junta Farm. Amerikans, go back to sleep, now.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:32 AM
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6. GROSS! But not to worry, I was thinking 'dirty' too.
:rofl:
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 08:15 AM
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7. This make our whole "democracy" a joke!
I am outraged!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 09:05 AM
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8. Karpinski is Abu Ghraib Scapegoat
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/042305Z.shtml

Editor's Note: Brig. Gen. Janis L. Karpinski, who was in charge of prison operations in Iraq, was the highest-ranking officer to be criticized by a report from the Army's Inspector General. Karpinsky, who in the past has pointed fingers at her superiors, was not in Afghanistan, not at Guantánamo where the same type of abuse occurred. It is clear that the torture at Abu Ghraib was not an isolated incident, so it is clear to us that blame goes higher than General Karpinski.
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Top Army Officers Are Cleared in Abuse Cases
By Josh White
The Washington Post

Saturday 23 April 2005

One General will likely get reprimand over Abu Ghraib.

An Army inspector general's report has cleared senior Army officers of wrongdoing in the abuse of military prisoners in Iraq and elsewhere, government officials familiar with the findings said yesterday.

The only Army general officer recommended for punishment for the failures that led to abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison and other facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan is Brig. Gen. Janis L. Karpinski, who was in charge of U.S. prison facilities in Iraq as commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade in late 2003 and early 2004. Several sources said Karpinski is expected to receive an administrative reprimand for dereliction of duty.

The report put no blame on Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez.

Karpinski, who has said she would fight such a charge, did not return calls yesterday. Her attorney, Neal A. Puckett, has not seen the report but said other general officers share responsibility for shortfalls. "I don't think it's fair, and it continues to make her the scapegoat for this entire situation, which has been her feeling all along," Puckett said.
..more..

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