Is Rev. 'God Hates Fags' Fred Phelps a SEVERELY Repressed gay man?

[mopaul]

put on your psychoanalysist hats. his white hot burning hatred of homosexuals to me is a dead giveaway, that he himself craves the love which dare not speak it's name, and is so morally and spiritually shattered by it that he has to lash out at the object of his fear and loathing, himself. much the way hitler loathed his own jewish heritage.

he is one sick, hyper-closeted asshole.

[Fridays Child]

1. I have actually always believed that he's a deeply closeted gay man...

...filled with so much self loathing that he must project it to survive.

[mopaul]

2. somebody needs to delve into his past, surely there are some 'skeletons'

wink wink nudge nudge

[H2O Man]

3. People often see

in others what they dislike about themselves. Your example of Hitler is good; it reminds me of Vince Bugliosi's comments about Manson, who believed his father was black. So it is certainly possible.

Yet it could be a symptom of any other quality he despises about himself. Those who hate passionately become hatred themselves. This fellow is channeling a national hatred that follows no certain logic: I think it is fair to say that Bush and Cheney have a pathological hatred of Islam, but I don't think they are repressed Muslims. I think that they are the personification of hatred.

[smirkymonkey]

19. I think hatred projected outward is either that which you fear and

are threatened by, or the shadow part of your own psyche that you despise and are projecting on to others.

I wonder if Bush and Cheney do really hate Muslims, or are they just attacking them because they are sociopaths and the Middle East stands in the way of claiming the oil and the "holy land" for themselves.

[H2O Man]

24. Good question.

I think that Tricky Dick Cheney is simply the lowest form of greedy vulture. I think that he has a huge chip on his shoulder, because he recognizes that in many, many ways, he defines the inferior human being. I think that he enjoys the suffering of others.

George W. strikes me as different. I think that during his entire childhood, his mommy never instilled the idea that he was anything other than 100% correct, gifted, and special. I think that he is a man of average intelligence, who never had any self-discipline. I think that in his "competition" for his mommy's love, he had a sense of inferiority when he compared himself with his dad. Although he pushed that thought deep into his unconscious mind during years of hard partying, it never has been resolved. Thus, he believes that he is God/mom's choosen one, and loves any attention, no matter how scripted or fake; at the same time, he has a hatred for anyone who quesions his right to specialhood. In his early "recovery" from substance abuse, he had a common experience for addicts, where he felt the presence of a "higher power." Unabled to comprehend that his experience is not special, but is rather common, he believes that he is the annointed one. He views Usama bin Laden as his evil twin, to be destroyed (which is strange, because UbL is a sober, disciplined person). Instead of recognizing his hatred for his dad, he focuses the guilty feelings on Saddam.

[smirkymonkey]

35. "he has a hatred for anyone who quesions his right to specialhood."

That is it in a nutshell, the man is so weak in character that he cannot tolerate any threat to his ego whatsoever.

Excellent analysis of what motivates W. I also agree with your assesment regarding his "higher power" experience as "special" and happening only to him. I am actually a member of a 12-step group in NYC and believe me, there are many GWB types who believe that because they have experienced a "miracle" in their lives, it means they are God's special chosen ones. This is particularly true with men who have fragile egos for some reason.

I also think that W has some major issues with his masculinity, which is why he is so contemptuous of gays and women. Like most republican men. Someone should write a book about it.

[merbex]

37. Oh, to be a historian 50-100 years from now

George W is going to be the well that keeps on giving for all the reasons you have given

[H2O Man]

43. Exactly. His issues with

masculinity, which find expression in his cruelty towards gays, women, and any other group/individual who he identifies as "unmanly" is rooted in his inability to match up to dad. Though many people dislike George Sr as an individual, he had the balls to be a pilot in WW2. Junior had to have pops help him avoid war. Our nation -- actually the world -- is held hostage to his pathology. He knows he is a coward, and fears others will recognize it, too. Hard to explain his wearing the uniform of a military man, and prancing on the ship, in any other way. A small man in the most literal sense of the word.

[Smarmie Doofus]

4. Maybe... but why do people always look to internalized....

self hatred to explain pathological homophobes? Don't 100% heterosexuals ever do anything wrong or have any crazy ideas?

Lacking any evidence to the contrary ( and we don't have any ), I think the heteros should take "credit" for Phelps.

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[Misunderestimator]

21. You self-loathing dog you!

:rofl:

Good analogy. :thumbsup:

(I hate yams... and I'm definitely not a yam)

[Hello_Kitty]

22. Yeah, I don't believe homophobes are closet gays

And trust me, after 10 years in the Navy and 8 more in a male dominated technical field I've met more than a few of them. When you scratch the surface of your typical frothing at the mouth gay-hater you find he's a raging misogynist. It's about gender, not sexuality IMO. Anything that deviates from the patriarchal male dominion over females paradigm is extremely frightening to them. They tend to focus their homophobic rage primarily on gay men, though lesbians are frequently the actual target of their harassment - They are above all, cowards, gay men might actually be able to beat them up. They see gay men as rejecting the traditional masculine role. Also, gay men view men as sex objects. This freaks out your typical homophobe because *gasp* someone may be thinking of HIM as a dehumanized piece of meat as he does with every woman he encounters.

So no, I don't think most of them are closet gays.

[McGonigle]

39. "Strict Father" morality

with a "men above women" componant to the heirarchy, according to Lakoff.

[lyonn]

36. Well, I hate Bush

What does that say about my psyche? Phelps and other preachers like him have found a cause that stirs a group of people and he is taking full advantage of it. Otherwise, how can a man of god not show more compassion? It appears phony or crazy. There may be more and more Repubs that will find the views of these radical preachers to be harmful to their party. Don't know if that happens if it will hurt the Dems because I believe this issue could turn many people to the democratic party. It was one of the main reasons I began to turn against the Repubs in the 1980's.

[BlueIris]

5. I don't care if he is a closet case. He's a terrible person.

I refuse to feel bad for him. That may not have been the suggestion of the original post, I realize, but in case anyone out there is thinking it--no pity here. Still can't believe he's from Kansas.

[blogslut]

6. or maybe

He's a greedy, manipulative bastard who uses the fears of other people to make the big bucks?

[livinginphotographs]

8. I don't think so.

I think he's just a psychopath. If it wasn't gays, it would be another group.

This article is pretty enlightening as to the sickness of Phelps: http://www.blank.org/addict/orig.addict.html (you have to scroll down a bit to get to the beginning)

[LeftCoast]

9. I think it's just a great way for him to get notoriety and $$$

I'm still racking my brain to think of a great way to counter that nut-bag. The best idea I've heard so far is to have people donate to gay rights organizations every time he shows up in a town, but I want something a little more devastating to him and/or his organization. It'll come to me one of these days. :evilgrin:

Edited to add: Oh, and another reason I don't think he's gay - Have you seen the way he dresses? Gay? No way! :)

[DistressedAmerican]

10. No The Best Ways To Deal With Creeps Like This Can Not Be Posted

Due to the rules.

Fuck him whatever his damage is!

[LeftCoast]

12. If we go down that path, this country is doomed

[Doctor_J]

11. too ugly

by a mile. stick him in with the fab five and play the Sesame Street game - "one of these things is not like the other..." :evilgrin:

[donco6]

13. Of course

Every really loathsome person MUST be gay!

OK, I get your point, but these types of arguments just make me tired.

[kweerwolf]

14. I've heard it said that Phelps developed his distaste for gays ...

... because he lived across from Gage Park in Topeka which is a fairly well-known gay cruising area. To bad he never researched it enough to find out that most of the men who engage in public sex such as in parks are really closeted married men who have no other outlet and are too far in the closet to ever walk through the door of a gay bar.

Also, I've heard it said that at least two of Freddie's kids left the family. (One is single and last I heard lived in San Francisco.) Since he has 9 or 10 kids, it makes me wonder if one or more of his kids turned out gay and it triggered such a violent revulsion that he had produced such "monsters" out of his own withered loins that it sent him over the deep end on gay issues.

[Mary in KC]

15. I think Ole Fred just gets off on attention

and this whole things always gets him a lot of it.

[AlCzervik]

16. i thnk he's more likely someone who would

molest a young girl.

[kweerwolf]

18. Or more likely small barnyard animals.

With apologies to all the good folks in Topeka, as long as Phelps and his klan is there maybe they should consider the city motto to:

"Topeka - Where men are men and sheep are nervous"

Sorry ... that was baaaaaaaa-aaaaaaad!

:spank:

[UdoKier]

17. He probably got a blowjob from a bunkmate back in the Korean war

or something like that. Most guys would just go on with their lives, but this idiot has probably spent his entire life feeling guilty because he enjoyed that blowjob.



Too bad the Bible doesn't allow suicide...

[Hoping4Change]

25. Why do you assume he was the one on the receiving end?

Being the rabid kkkristian that he is he probably obeys the commandment that it is better to give than to receive.}(

[readmoreoften]

20. Why can't we just take his heterosexuality at face value?

Don't straight people ever do anything wrong against gays? Or is it always that gay-on-gay violence keeping gays down?

Until there's evidence, you'll have to own him.

[Kipepeo]

31. Agreed

While I do think that some outspoken homophobes are probably trying to deflect their own hatred of themselves, there is nothing to imply that all homophobia stems fromt that.

Afterall, how do we explain the most outright racists and sexists....they're certainly not self-hating in that regard. They just fucking hate anyone who is not like them. There are PLENTY of homophobic asshole straights and I think Phelps probably falls into that category.

I understand that people questioning his sexuality is a way to bring him down a notch according to his own beliefs, but I don't think it's true in this particular case. He seems to me just a flat out hater.

[Jack_DeLeon]

23. Yes...

and he was probably molested as a child too.

[readmoreoften]

27. Those immoral people who were molested as kids!

They always turn out bad.

...or maybe Phelps is just a sociopath.

[mmonk]

26. I was just thinking he is just a plain 'ol neck

[Cleita]

28. Also, could he have been a molested child?

If you put that together with his being a closet gay, it could explain things as well.

[readmoreoften]

29. I don't think any of that explains things though.

There are wonderful people who are both gay and survivors of sexual abuse. We should hold people accountable for their behavior. I don't really care why Fred acts the way he does. There is no excuse.

There is just as much possiblity that he is a sociopath or has chemical imbalances.

I don't know why he's nuts, but I know it doesn't much matter now.

[Cleita]

32. I agree there is no excuse.

However, I believe the poster was presenting an explanation and he probably is a sociopath and nuts in many ways.

[Coexist]

30. Gee - ya think??? n/t

[Melodybe]

33. I love that when he tried to come to Ole Miss last month 200+ counter pro-

testers showed up and he didn't even show his face. He spent all that money to ship himself and his family/congregation down to Oxford and then didn't even have the balls to step foot on our campus. It was beautiful! Who knew that so many cared enough about gays to tell Phelps to "go to hell!"

[all.of.me]

34. sounds right

he is abnormally opposed to homosexuality. i mean A-B-N-O-R-M-A-L-L-Y! it opens a vein for him.

[Zorra]

38. Obviously this guy was tragically and horribly abused by authoritarian

fundamentalist RW parents as a child.

Emotionally, psychologically and physically, not necessarily sexually.

[Cleita]

41. If he had right wing parents, how do you explain

the fact that he is a registered Democrat and was a Kerry supporter? He really is an enigma.

Look at the second item down on this blog:

http://seamole.blogspot.com/2003_10_01_seamole_archive.html

[ismnotwasm]

40. No, opportunistic wingnut

Mentally closeted gays can act out in a homophobic fashion, but my observation is that they tend to be deeply torn, troubled individuals, often with generalized anger and issues like substance abuse. In his case, if the mental disorder has a sexual component, my guess is that it would be some sort of gross perversion like pediphilia. He gets a lot of attention for what he does,-- maybe narcissic personallity disorder. Whatever he is, he is a very, very, sick man.

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[mopaul]

44. self loathing

[Pepperbelly]

45. We know for certain that he is an asshole ...

As for the rest ... who knows?

His assholiness is sufficient for me, thank you.