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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:15 AM
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I was an American soldier who experienced Combat
I did so because I was drafted or otherwise I probably never would have gone however I did go and I fought. I had enemy bullets fired at me and I fired bullets back at the enemy. I did this for the US constitution and the Secular nation I live in. I did not do this for the bible or so that these could be placed in every school in America.

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

None of these are fitting for a Secular Nation to post as policy or even recommended behavior. The first says we can not be secular
The second says we must hate even the innocent children for four generations down the road if the father doesn't love this particulat God. It also suggests that Jealousy is something to be emulated.
Third speaks for itself
Fourth. Now this one basically says slavery is accepted by God so must be okay.
Fifth is borderline. Children should honor their parents if their parents are honorable people but not all parents are honorable.
I did not fight and kill people so our children could be brainwashed with this garbage. I fought for a much higher reason, That of a Great and SECULAR nation. I did not fight for the bible I fought for the Constitution and will do so again but the enemy has changed. It is no longer outside our borders. It is an enemy from within. It is an enemy that is trying daily to change our constitution into the bible and I will continue to fight for the country I once fought for..If you wish to destroy my country with religious dogma be prepared to fight for I am..
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:24 AM
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1. THANK YOU, Toots!
:yourock:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:25 AM
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2. Thanks Toots
Our oath of enlistment said nothing about supporting and defending the Bible. But it did state that we were sworn to defend it against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC. I sincerely believe that conservatives and religious zealots are domestic enemies of the Constitution. And it is incredibly sad that they would be fighting to curtail their own freedoms if they successfully reach their goal. Yeah, I think they'll have a fight on their hands. Conservatives lost the first civil war, I'm sure they'll lose the next one.

Your service to our country is greatly appreciated.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:37 AM
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5. They are enemies of the Constitution....
because they are fundamentally afraid of freedom. It's a word they throw
around a lot to justify their own fear-based aggression, but true freedom--
as in allowing those around you freedom too--scares the crap out of them.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:20 PM
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10. That's what these traitors and criminals are. This is what our rallying
point has always been, our US Constitution.

We've become what my WWII USMC father fought against.

:patriot:
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:26 PM
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25. Spot on...
...it is all about the abject terror they feel about allowing everyone freedom that shows them for what they really are...and they aren't "defenders of freedom" or "patriots" by any stretch. They are actually AFRAID of freedom -- for themselves and for others.

Good post!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:30 PM
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28. Exactly
You got it. These people are our enemy since we uphold the Constiution and Bill of Rights. What makes them afraid of freedom is we have the freedom to think for ourselves and not follow their leaders and politicians for their agendas.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:31 PM
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29. You fought for the same things George Washington fought for.
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 10:32 PM by tabasco
The same things the neocons/theocrats are attempting to destroy.

Yes, they will get a fight.

edit sp
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:27 AM
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3. That sound you hear is...
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 10:28 AM by GOPFighter
...my standing ovation. :yourock: You've earned the right to stand up to all those pseudo-patriots on the right (the ones who send others to fight wars they start but never seem to see battle themselves). I, too, served my country and it was to protect our freedoms, not to allow America to become a theocracy!

GOPFighter
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:27 AM
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4. Recommended for "Greatest"
Because this is, simply, one of the best posts EVER on DU. That's a compliment because there have been some BRILLIANT posts here, but this one is excellent is it's own right.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 11:36 AM
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6. Thank you!
Thanks for putting your life on the line. And thank you for speaking out! :yourock:
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 11:53 AM
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7. Great post...
thanks, man.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 11:57 AM
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8. Thank you for your service.
That is an absolutely wonderful post;
I'm recommending it and bookmarking it under my "Good Arguments" file.

:thumbsup:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:08 PM
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9. They should paste your post on DU main page
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 12:09 PM by MissWaverly
Thanks for your sacrifice, and double thanks for expressing what so many of us here feel. We are being betrayed, we have all paid our dues for a free nation, which others are trying to exploit for their personal benefit, it's one nation, under God with liberty and justice for all, not anyone who makes over 200,000 a year, is a CEO, and/or a lobbyist for corporate or religious focus group.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:20 PM
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11. Kick and thanks.
You rock, Toots. Keep it up.

:patriot:
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 01:40 PM
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12. Let's vote on the bible
Instead of having our society continuously having to fight over portions of the bible, let's put the bible to a vote. If the bible wins, it becomes our total law. We can stone homosexuals and cheating wives. We can own slaves as long as they are bought from a neighboring country. Men can have multiple wives, (as if one can't be enough of a handful).
Our society does not need to have bits and pieces of the bible being trotted out to base our laws on. Let's go for the whole thing, all at once, and get the BS over with.
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 01:42 PM
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13. Well said...
thanks.
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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 01:44 PM
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14. The King James Version of the Constitution...
. . . is not what we swore to uphold. Period.

Say it loud, Toots!
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 01:45 PM
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15. Well said!
Thank you and thank you for your service.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:13 PM
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16. Hear! Hear!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:21 PM
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17. Wonderful post and GREATS point!
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 03:21 PM by in_cog_ni_to
But, but, but this nation was founded on "Christian" principles...don'tcha know? :sarcasm:

Thank you for your service, btw. :)
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:39 PM
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18. Wonderful post, Toots!
I just came back from seeing Arlington Cemetery. I looked for the "Atheists in Foxholes" memorial, but did not find it.
You remind me that it resides in the hearts and minds of men and women who THINK.
Thank you.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:04 PM
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19. Nicely put, brother.
Glad you made it back.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:11 PM
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20. Secular. Live it! Like it! Love it!
I'm going to keep saying this over and over and over...until it finally clicks for the people who need to grasp it...

The ONLY way to save your religion is through the separation of church and state.

Keep America Secular!

Otherwise, the right wing theocrats win.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:13 PM
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21. God has some self-esteem issues. Perhaps Dr. Phil could help
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:33 PM
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30. Nah
Dr. Phil wouldn't help. God would just tell the problem, then repeat the problem and then go to commercial. :eyes:
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 09:29 PM
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22. Thanks toots
I've got your back and am willing to fight with you
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:10 PM
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23. I agree, Toots! Thanks for your service. n/t
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:16 PM
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24.  Thank you Toots
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 10:16 PM by DanCa
And I would like to thank everyone on this board who served this country of ours. It's a shame that the United States government doesn't do more for our veterans.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:26 PM
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26. Well, Number 2 is ridiculous anyway. Mercy? What mercy?
And what kind of "loving" God would hold a grudge for so long? What is he, Mafiosa?

Thanks, Toots!

:patriot:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:29 PM
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27. Hear hear!
I'm with you. If these people are going to want to change our constiution I'm sure they'll have to fight a lot of us here. At least we won't die a lone. Thank you for your service. :hug: I hate what these fuckers are doing to my country.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 11:08 PM
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31. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights..
are not qaint pieces of paper. The Bush Junta is determined to abolish what is written in these documents. It is happening on a daily basis in a subtle manner. Most Amerikans are not aware of this and if they were would they truely care?
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